Sheila Gunn-Reid interviews Ben Nelson Creed, author of 12 Pro Wrestling Rules for Life, blending wrestling’s 1999–2005 scam-filled training at Hart Brothers with timeless lessons like Rule 11 ("life isn’t fair") and Rule 12 ("grind outside the spotlight"). Creed credits wrestling’s absurdity—from his Shakespearean Battling Bard persona to WWE auditions—and its pre-"woke" embrace of LGBTQ+ figures like Goldust and Pat Patterson as tools for resilience. Yet Gunn-Reid pivots to Justin Trudeau’s 10%+ inflation-ignoring "gun grab," exposing the Butt Master shotgun’s inclusion in his ban list, while questioning Canada’s access to U.S. NFA registries. Wrestling’s grit mirrors life’s battles: effort over entitlement, and skepticism toward performative virtue. [Automatically generated summary]
What can professional wrestling teach you about life?
Well, today we're going to find out and we're going to find out from a former professional wrestler.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
There's a
mantra out there that sends a shiver down my spine every time I hear it, because it is so sinister, because it's cruelty cloaked as kindness.
It's one of those personal affirmations that you hear all the time.
So you don't pay attention to the message.
It's that positive, sloganeering background noise of Facebook.
The phrase is, you're perfect just the way you are.
I hate that phrase.
Sure, of course, don't dislike yourself, but I think it's important for people to realize that they are a work in progress, that they should always strive to be better tomorrow than they were today to achieve more, to achieve their full potential.
And I think if you're one of those people who thinks, actually, no, I'm fine, just how I am, I think you're damning yourself to not being the best version of yourself that you can be.
And that's what I want for everybody.
So when I hear about someone who's advocating for personal development through personal responsibility and putting in the hard work, boy, I'm ready to listen.
And I'm even more ready to listen when that message is told in a really interesting way, in a way that I find particularly appealing.
I'm talking about wrestling.
But friends, even if you're not a wrestling fan, I think you're really going to like today's show.
I'm talking to BC-based author and former professional wrestler, Ben Nelson Creed.
He's the author of a few books, but the one we're talking about today is called 12 Pro Wrestling Rules for Life.
I'll include a link in the show notes to the book in case you're interested.
It's a take on Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, but it's all done through Ben's fun professional wrestling worldview.
So we're talking about that and what inspired the book, but we're also talking about how professional wrestling seems to be surviving woke culture so far.
And I might be speaking too soon.
And we're also talking about how a former professional wrestler like Ben ended up as a teacher.
It's a really interesting story.
Take a listen.
So joining me now is author, wrestler, and teacher, Ben Nelson.
Ben, thanks for coming on the show.
We have a mutual friend, my producer of my show.
Jesse actually knows you and he sort of suggested that maybe you would be kind of a cool guy to talk to.
Now, you've written a book.
Tell me about your book.
I've written a book titled 12 Pro Wrestling Rules for Life.
The sort of buzzword or the catchphrase being get a headlock on life.
But it's a professional wrestling.
It's a take on professional wrestling as not just two guys in Spandex beating each other up or two women in Spandex beating each other up, but actually valuable life lessons and valuable life instruction from an art form that really reflects what society is and what culture is and some pretty impressive, if you look at the track record, values of what wrestlers entail and what they actually bring to the table of the world of entertainment, but also personal life experience.
And you're not just a casual wrestling observer fan, 80s wrestling aficionado like I am.
You're an actual wrestler.
Tell me a little bit about your history as a professional wrestler.
Yeah, well, I am an 80s aficionado too.
I think that the book focuses mostly 80s and 90s because I think that was the golden era.
But having said that, I did start wrestling in 1999.
So I don't know if I look like I could still wrestle.
I haven't wrestled in about three years.
And it's not that I'm retired.
I just haven't really been interested in doing it.
Rick Flair just came back.
There's hope for all of us.
Yeah, what is he?
70, 70?
Yeah, 80.
Is that what it was?
He's older.
Yeah, I can always hope.
And there was a wrestler from Britain, Johnny Saint, and I think he was wrestling well into his 70s, wrestling well, well into his 70s.
He was still an amazing wrestler at 70 years of age.
But I trained in 1999, and this is pre-internet.
I found the Hart Brothers School of Professional Wrestling in Cambridge, Ontario, which actually was founded by a Hart Brother who left, but the person behind managed to hang on to the name.
And so he broadcasted as a Hart Brothers School of Professional Wrestling.
So there were people literally from around the world going into this school.
And it turned out to be a big, big con and a big scam.
And that's actually what my first wrestling book was about.
But it was also, you know, best of times.
It was the worst of times.
It was fantastic.
The people that I grew to be friends with from there are still the people that came to my wedding.
They're still the people that I talk to on a regular basis.
If we have a life crisis, we're still the support group that we grow, we're returned to, you know?
And so I suppose that's kind of the camaraderie and the deep value of friendship.
And like one of the rules is pick your friends carefully or choose your friends carefully.
That's one of the values that I think people write off about professional wrestling, which I put into the book.
But yeah, I trained out there in 1999 and then I wrestled, yeah, maybe six months in Ontario, came back to BC, went back to Ontario, came back to BC, broke my leg really badly, got back into wrestling a few years later, traveled around, had some moderate success.
I was getting flown around with the NWA in the United States for a while.
And I was wrestling as the Nelson Creed.
And then after that ended, I was really more interested in pursuing my interests in wrestling and my own persona.
And that ties into the book because I wrestled as the battling bard, Nelson Creed.
And so I was a Shakespearean aficionado, a thespian, and I would come to the ring with a cape and a book on Shakespeare, which I wrote as well called What Would Shakespeare Say.
And I would try and force people to read the book.
And I would call, you know, it was ridiculous.
But I like it.
I'm laughing because Ezra Levant always forces me to listen to him read Shakespeare when I'm stuck in the car with him.
It's true.
Yeah, all the time.
So I can relate to the psychological terror that you inflicted on people.
Yeah.
Terror, terror.
Well, people don't, people don't want to take their medicine.
You know, that's what I would say, you know, you don't know what's good for you kind of thing.
Uh, yeah, that's interesting.
Well, maybe I'll pin him down and we can read some Shakespeare together sometime and do a play.
Uh, yeah, that was it.
So I wrestled as Battling Bard from about 2007 to 2018, and I really enjoyed it.
And I felt like that's where I had my most success.
And that's what I enjoyed in wrestling the most was just taking something kind of zany, kind of funny, kind of different, mashing it into wrestling and calling it a persona and you know, yelling huzzah and calling for encores and all, you know, calling people crusty botches of human nature and telling, you know, asking to go crush a cup of wine, like just all these silly quotes from Shakespeare throwing them into the rig.
And I, I, uh, I did get my WWE auditions with that.
Um, but I feel like the big rewards, I enjoyed doing what I did.
And I had a lot of fun at local level.
That's where I met Jesse.
And I feel like the, you know, you want to stroke our own egos, but I feel like the fans enjoyed it more because it was different.
It was kind of stupid, but it was also kind of intelligent.
And it was just a different take on pro wrestling.
So that's that was my wrestling story.
Yeah.
You don't have to convince me.
I love local wrestling.
I love it.
Really?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Have you been to lots of the shows then?
And yeah.
And I, you know, the heart family has a new wrestling promotion in Calgary, Dungeon Wrestling, which is great.
And the, I think it's the RCW, they do smaller local wrestling promotions and the cheesier.
The cheesier the better.
Yeah.
We've come to appreciate wrestling for what it is, right?
It's meant to be hammy, but it's also like there's, there's some truth in that ham, right?
Yeah.
It's funny you mentioned.
No, no, no.
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned you mentioned the heart.
I wrestled a lot with actually a fair bit with Harry Smith, David Boy Smith's son, and TJ Wilson, who was Tyson Kidd in the WWB as well.
They're tremendous wrestling family.
And the passion for the business was always evident.
It's always clear with them.
So yeah.
Now, your love of the written word, that's not just a wrestling gimmick.
You're a teacher.
And so I'm sort of fascinated by the trajectory of someone who is in professional wrestling and then ends up as a teacher.
How did that happen?
Yeah, boy.
I don't know if it was before or after, but I read Tito Santana, the teacher as well.
Yeah.
You know, he retired from wrestling.
He's a teacher.
So, but for me, it was always, yeah, it was always an interesting passion.
And even when I was first wrestling, I wanted to do the battling bard gimmick and I just didn't have the confidence to put it forward.
But I've always loved English.
And I always thought, you know, unless you're Ric Flair, you can't wrestle forever, you know.
And so it was the natural thing.
What was my other passion in life?
Literature, Shakespeare, writing, reading.
And so it was a natural transition.
While I was doing my wrestling, I was also completing my education.
I went to Simon Fraser in Vancouver and completed my education or my English major, philosophy minor, and then a post-diploma program in education there.
And it was, it was actually, it's funny, though.
I try and hide it from students, or I did for a long time because it was just so distracting.
You know, the guy's like, well, you were wrestling when I was all four.
Let me show you how real it is.
And they would just start wrestling and start trying to beat each other up.
And it was just such a big can of worms.
I loved engaging students with it, but I also, I don't know if this is what I should be telling you because you're going to start trying to wrestle each other in front of me and getting me to grade it.
And that's not like, there's no good outcome, right?
There's no good outcome.
I can't tell you that I would have acted any differently than those children.
Now, Now, you know, before we get into your book, because I'm just, I love having someone who's been on the inside of wrestling and I get to pick your brain a little bit, because I'm always interested in the in how this testosterone charged industry,
this entertainment manages to be so resilient so far to woke culture and these attacks on masculinity.
and traditional masculinity as though it's some sort of toxic influence on society.
You don't see, like you see it all, it's creeping hard into hockey lately.
Oh, yeah.
You know, but so far, wrestling seems to be not completely impermeated, but it's doing well.
Careful what you say.
I know, I know.
Are they going to dive on it now?
Are the social justice warriors going to attack it?
Yeah, I've never noticed that before, but you're right as I think about that.
I think part of it, like wrestling did do, did do itself a service in that there were, even back in the day, there were quite a few gay wrestlers, you know, and so that kind of, I think they've been like, there's a, there's a blatant homo eroticism in wrestling to begin with.
Yeah, let's all, none of us can forget gold dust.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah, gold dust or Adrian Adonis, one of my favorites.
Right.
But then you go like, you have, you know, Pat Patterson, I don't know if you know, he was, he was, he was a homosexual too, right?
And so I think that there was this thing in the business where it was, I don't know, it was kind of like respected and acknowledged, but not.
And it was really interesting too, because I was friends with Chris Canyon, who was big in WCW.
And, you know, we didn't know that he was, I wasn't in WCW.
It was just, he helped us do a movie back in 1999 at the wrestling school.
And I didn't know he was gay.
And I remember joking about something to do with it.
Oh, you know, like someone's not so macho if they do something or, you know, people start to talk and say, well, what do you mean by that?
And so I wonder, you know.
So there were, I think that the people like that that were in the business, like Canyon, rest in peace, bless his soul, I think that they kind of took a bit of the brunt of it.
And so the business itself, while it hasn't been attacked by woke culture, I think the business kind of went after itself earlier.
You know, there's Orlando, Jordan, and a few other wrestlers who pushed that button hard and also or pushed the reality out there.
And I think that probably about mid-90s, after Goldust was gone, I think it was sort of realized, and especially with Canyon, you know, that it wasn't it wasn't fodder.
Homosexuality and stuff wasn't fodder for ridicule, you know?
But that's very different from woke culture.
And I don't know why woke culture, maybe it's because wrestling is a parody of reality already.
Maybe.
I'm sure we're going to see a woke culture angle in it.
And you know what there was, right?
What was it?
Right to censor way back, like late 90s, right?
Val Venus and Ivory and the good father, who was the godfather of the good.
It was a funny gimmick and they were poking fun of it.
So maybe, I don't know, maybe it's the woke culture realizes if we make fun of wrestling, wrestling will make more fun of us going back.
I don't know.
I don't think so, but that's a really interesting question.
I haven't got an answer for why it hasn't happened other than wrestling is just all a huge parody.
And I'm sure it'll be in the angle.
Like after Trump won his first election, I don't know if you heard there was a wrestler and he was, what was he called?
But he would come out wearing like a Hillary Clinton singlet or something.
He's like the leftist wrestler.
It was in Southeastern states, but there was that was his gimmick.
Wrestling's Heckle Culture00:03:56
Oh, maybe it's just, well, it's all of them.
But you know, I do have to say this.
I do know a local wrestler who used to wrestle in Seattle.
And right or wrong, he had Pepe the Frog on his tights.
And I think it was right.
I think it was right because I believe in free speech and I believe that, well, he's out there playing a persona to sort of make you think about what he's doing.
But it got to the point where people in the audience would organize themselves to walk out during his matches as a form of protest against his wrestling and his persona.
And I knew the guy and like was a good friend of mine.
And, you know, they're always accusing him of being racist and being homophobic.
And those are both so completely far from the truth.
You know, I mean, he was in Vancouver.
He had an Indian girlfriend.
He got along with her family fantastically.
He really respected their culture.
He had a lot of gay friends.
He didn't care, but it was just that perception.
So I have seen it small scale.
I haven't seen it large scale.
And I hope we don't.
I hope we don't.
I hope we don't either.
I think, you know, it's, it's hard to make fun of somebody or pick on somebody who picks on themselves.
I think maybe that's part of it too.
And also this is, it is a performance art, right?
Like, as much as you see woke culture sort of sneaking in, sneaking and rushing in like a tsunami into Hollywood, this is kind of the opposite where, you know, they, they make fun of themselves, but they're also, as you say, it's a bit of an industry based on free speech.
You get to be the character you want.
Your character is over the top.
And so I guess it's, it's hard to enforce like certain cultural social rules that everybody think polites that should exist in polite society.
It's kind of hard to overlay that onto wrestling.
And I hope it, I hope it never changes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wrestling is, yeah, yeah, hard to overlay it.
And it's sort of the function of wrestling.
It's a, it's a morality play and it's also a status play.
You know, it's like, it really is about status and performance and what the perception is.
So I don't know.
I feel like it's going to be done, but it's hard to do it in a way that wrestling wouldn't already poke fun of itself too.
And that's, I mean, that's why it is too, because at this stage, you know, as we've like in the 80s, it was all serious and this is take it real.
And then the 90s, they said, well, we're not going to be condescending.
And it went through that hardcore phase.
And now it's at the point where the wrestling that you used to see, small time, local, ridiculous wrestling, like a local wrestler promoter passed away just a couple of weeks back, but he had like the most ridiculous gimmicks you've ever heard.
The magic dragons, you know, the H and there's these two full guys, fully grown men in these ridiculous cloth dragon costumes.
And this was like mid-90s.
It was ridiculous.
But that sort of stuff has now reached the highest level of wrestling.
And so all the way down, it's okay to make fun of everything and anything.
So I think because it's a self-acknowledged farce, maybe it's not getting picked on and maybe it won't be picked on.
I don't know.
And I think, I think the heckle culture around wrestling sort of makes it hard to be a little bit woke because I don't want to toot my own horn, but I was born to heckle.
I love heckling.
But, you know, I heckle with the deepest love.
And so you sort of get it out of your system where it's like, you can't see this, you can't say that.
You have to behave and follow all these rules all week long.
And then you go to see the wrestling show at the Legion and you're just like letting everybody have it.
So maybe it's that pressure valve that you need to let off in society.
Yeah, it blows off a lot of steam.
Yeah, it's an interesting mirror too, because you know, like who you're heckling isn't really the person.
You're heckling a persona, not the person.
So like, yeah, I don't know.
You're playing a role too as a fan.
I always thought that was an interesting thing, right?
The fans play a role.
They're in on it.
And we're all kind of play acting, pretending, goofing around, but we're having a really good time doing it.
Yeah.
So yeah, maybe that keeps it from being too serious for anyone.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't honestly believe that I'm heckling a real.
Playing the Role00:07:05
Oh, no, we cry when we get home.
A real Australian.
You ruined my nights.
I don't know.
People like you have ruined my weeks, actually.
I, you know, like we go home and write down, if they say this next time, I'm going to say this.
We have a list.
I hope I see her again in your journal.
Yeah.
What to say?
I see that black-haired broad again.
Yeah.
I want to ask you about your book because that's really why I wanted to have you on the show.
And, you know, I.
I often joke with my friend David Menzies, who is also a very strong 80s wrestling aficionado, that I could write an entire master's thesis on the role that Hacksaw Jim Duggan played in the Cold War.
I could.
I absolutely could.
And his role as a proud American and being unashamed and all of that, it was at the right time in the right cultural atmosphere for him to be the right guy.
And he was not only that, but his look was like regular Joe, average American.
He wasn't juiced out.
He looked like your uncle who tough trucker, right?
Yeah.
And so he looked like middle America and he was fighting for Americans at a time when the tensions in the Cold War were sort of, America was winning.
Although if you ask me now, I would suggest that maybe they didn't win the Cold War march through our institutions happened while everybody wasn't paying attention.
But I think that I could, like I said, I'm here.
I'm doing it.
I'm pitching it, but I could.
I could make that case.
And so I'm always interested to see somebody like you talk, oh, I hit my microphone, talk about the values in wrestling and how those are important cultural values.
So tell me, tell me about your book.
Okay.
Yeah, to address your first point, absolutely you could, because as I've kind of said, wrestling is very much a cultural mirror.
And the interesting thing is when I think you can also do a master's on the fact that when society doesn't have its values, it's tougher to pick out the good guys and bad guys.
It's tougher to have good wrestling, you know, because it's all, it is really tribal, tribalism, right?
You cheer for someone that you think reflects you.
And Seth Godin, advertising writer, bestseller, a couple of times, he said wrestling is status.
So when you're watching two guys wrestle, it's status versus status.
So you have to think, if someone wins in a wrestling match, like say John Cena wins, what is the status of his persona that makes it better for him to win than to lose?
And why are people going to endorse that by coming out and watching?
There's a real, and I don't know if it's the leader or the follower, the indicator or the lagging indicator, but it shows something about society.
And I guess that'd be one thing.
That is a bit of the book, but my book was, it's 12 rules for life.
I won't go through all the rules, but the rules are very essential things.
I'll tell you one of my favorite, like the first rule is work your gimmick.
And people think like, you know, in wrestling, everyone's got to give me hacksaw's gimmick as he brought up.
Big burly guy, oh, tough guy, two by four, working class, rolly over, not technical, although he could, but he didn't go technical.
He just did knock it, bang, drag it out, slug it out, tough guy, right?
And that was what the fans of the 80s appreciated.
And if you look at the action movies, too, it's like Arnold was big, Stallone was big, Jackie Chan wasn't around.
And so they didn't, the wrestlers didn't wrestle like Jackie Chan, which they do now.
The wrestlers wrestled like you would picture Rocky.
Like Rocky's strategy was all, well, I'll just try harder.
Punch him harder.
Yeah, I'll punch him harder.
What do you do, Rock?
I'll punch him harder.
You should be dead.
Yeah, I'll just punch him harder.
Like, so working your gimmick, right?
That was the gimmick.
And so a gimmick is, it's not necessarily a contrived performance.
It's just what do you think?
What do you have that's original in you?
What should people know you for?
And I think if most people took a long, hard look at what is your gimmick day to day, what are you presenting day to day?
I think most people in the world would identify their values a bit better and identify, wait a minute, do I want to be the guy who yells at people because my coffee is two degrees too cold?
Or do I want to be seen as the guy who's respectable and approachable and a good person?
I think that they would identify more about what makes them themselves and how they want to establish a legacy that is.
That persona, that person right, and you know, like a Hamlet you um, we know what we are, not what we may be right, you try and grow into something and so, wrestling as I began, wrestling as the Battling Bard it was, really wasn't fleshed out.
I had an idea.
But as I grew into it and did it more and more, I really recognized in it what persona I want to portray for the fans.
And so now, as a, you know, a teacher and a writer and a father and a guy who's you know, I mean basically a libertarian, I recognize more and more what it is I want people to recognize me for, and it's affected, it has really affected every aspect of my life, all those aspects, um.
So that's the the most well, not the most important, but the primary um, primary rule, work, a gimmick.
And I talk about the Undertaker.
Yeah, it's just such a great gimmick, um.
But then my favorite rule probably is, uh well, you know, even the odds, by any means necessary.
That's another favorite rule of mine because, like I saw, two by four.
How many times did he hit people with a two by four?
And he never did it to start the fight no, if the things weren't going his way and he was outnumbered.
He finished the fight with a two by four, you know, right or wrong, like Andre got it and the Chic got it.
Um, and then one interesting uh, sort of common thread was, I looked at well, what's the story of David and Goliath, right?
I mean, if David had tried to throw on a big suit of armor and swing a sword around, he would have been mid-speed in no time.
And so what did he go to?
And this I did borrow a little bit from Malcolm Gladwell in one of his books.
But he went to what was good and he evened the odds by playing to his strengths and working with what worked for him.
So he even the odds by throwing rocks with a sling, which he knew how to do.
So play to your strengths but also even the odds.
Like well, i'm not going to have a good time trying to run headfirst to a giant, why would I do that?
I'll play to my strengths and work it from my angle, where i'm evening the odds by using what I have at hand.
So a lot of the the rules I feel all build on each other and there is a through line in them in that they are all and they're all reflected in wrestling.
Um, if anyone grabs a copy, I would say, grab the e-copy for now, because I haven't got qr codes in the in the paperback, but the e-copy goes to the link.
So when i'm talking about Hacks.jimnelegin, or i'm talking about Jake The Snake or i'm talking about Steve Austin spraying an entire ring down full of beer, the links are in the E-reader version if you're connected to the wi-fi, where you can go in and see what i'm talking about, and it just makes it much more a living experience.
I find a more interactive experience now.
Now, I don't want to take up too much your time because I I said I would only take up 20 minutes of your time and I could talk wrestling forever.
Work Hard, Life Isn't Fair00:06:27
I'm all good and I I know you were talking after you're done a full workday but um, I wanted to ask you it.
I'll ask you to pick in 2023, if you could pick one of your wrestling rules that would benefit the most amount of people in 2023 so that they have a better year.
What is that rule?
Oh okay, I have to thumb through the book.
This is I got, i've.
I need, I feel like I need to just review all the rules because I remember my favorites and i'm already working on a couple new books.
Um, that's a good question, right?
Pretty good journalist over here.
Yeah, the book's so good I could know I could talk about anything.
No, what do I?
I feel like on a day-to-day 2023, like, where are we?
You know, what are we doing?
There's so much confusion.
It's so hard.
Pick a best one.
That's a good question because I usually have too much to say.
And now I can't think of what to say.
It's a really good question.
So, yeah.
So, what's the rule that would help people weed through the confusion of 2023?
You know, yeah, I feel like you have to just maybe I'll go with two.
Okay, sorry, because they want to rule, I think 11, life isn't fair.
Okay.
And I think that we're all seeing that.
And like when you start talking about the economy and the unaccountability and the frustration that people feel and the things that happen to us, you know, especially if, you know, depending on your political affiliation and the bias that you get from people and perspective, I think you have to accept life isn't fair.
And you know what?
You're just going to have to play with the hand you got.
That's the honest.
That's the honest truth.
That's the end and the beginning.
And I think I actually got that quote from the Princess Bride, you know, the book, life isn't fair.
It's just better than death.
That's all.
Right.
I think going into 2023, looking at how everything is panning out and how we all know, you know, they'll deny it, but we all know we're in a recession, right?
We all know that we're suffering bad, like inflation that's at least 10%, probably higher than what they've said.
We all know that.
So saying that, you know, life isn't fair.
Okay.
But what can you do about it?
And that's rule number 12.
You got to work hard away from the spotlight.
And you have to, in a black and bear terms, not just pay your dues, but work hard on what makes you better at what you're going to do.
Work hard at what is going to lead you to success, as opposed to letting someone else dictate it for you.
Like, I mean, be proactive, but work hard, right?
Like I had a very good friend whose career turned into a crazy, most successful, I think, women's wrestler of all time career.
But it didn't start out that way.
It started out with a very bad injury and years off.
And even when she finally got her WE auditions and tryouts and spotlight and spot to be a wrestler, she was just getting pushed down and ignored and ignored.
And repeatedly throughout that three years of her developmental contract, there was a matter of, okay, well, what do you do?
Do you give up and ride out and have a good time and party?
Or do you work hard on yourself away from the spotlight and hope and have faith that when you do get your shock, when you do get your chance to leap ahead in the job or, you know, go for the relationship you want or take off and get out of Canada, that you're ready.
When you're ready to run, you run, right?
That's it.
Be prepared, right?
Boy Scouts, but it's still valuable.
You know, work hard away from the spotlight, be prepared.
And life isn't fair, but no one's going to help you with it, you know, unfortunately.
Or no, I should take that back.
People will help you with it, but you have to be prepared and you have to accept that your chips, your cards aren't going to be the same as someone else's.
So make the best hand of what you got.
And really, that's all you can do.
Because if you don't do that, you're going to regret it.
But if you do your best and it doesn't work, you're not going to regret it the same way.
You know, there's pride in that.
So, yeah.
Yeah, I think those are great pieces of advice.
And I think when you start to realize that life isn't fair, but you can make it better through hard work and good choices, you sort of liberate yourself from the resentment that might creep in because you do see life as unfair and resentment is a poison.
Ben, I want to thank you so much for taking the time.
Tell people how they can get this book.
It's available on Amazon.
Just go on to amazon.ca, type in 12 pro wrestling rules for life.
You can type in Ben Nelson Creed.
It's in there as well.
I feel like I'm going to share one thing on the book, but I think it's wonderful.
When I first went to wrestling school, we all knew wrestling wasn't real, but we found out after for sure.
I always think of it this way, and it goes to do with working your gimmick.
Life is a work in that there's always a persona you're putting on.
You're always trying to do more.
And just remember that most people, when they're presenting themselves to you, they might be honest, but they're also trying to present something for a not an ulterior motive, but for an outcome, right?
So if you walk into a room and I don't know you and you tell me that you're the greatest writer in the history of writing screenplays, I don't know you.
So I'll take you at face value.
So remember, you can present yourself any way you want and people will accept that if you can back it up a bit, you know?
So, but I guess that's a maybe that's a bit of blather, not necessary.
But going back to the book, yeah, Amazon, 12 Pro Wrestling Rules for Life, it's in there, e-reader version as well as paperback copy.
I recommend the e-reader version, but paperback copy can be had as well.
And I did also write another book called You're Gonna Hurt Yourself, which was about my time at Pro Wrestling School in Ontario and my first two years in the business.
And that was a lot of fun too.
That was the first book that I really leapt on as, yeah, this is cathartic, but also useful for other people.
So there.
Well, Ben, like I said, I want to thank you so much for taking the time.
I think you give some good advice to young people, but also just to Canadians in general, people struggling living through the society that we've been given over the past three years.
I'm trying not to be melancholy.
Yeah, right.
Trudeau's working at gimmick people.
Just remember that, right?
That's right.
Yeah.
There's a guy doing his best to put his best foot forward when he walks into a room and until he opens his mouth.
Yeah.
You got to walk the walk and talk the talk.
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And I don't think he does both of those.
So anyways, we're out here those probably.
But anyways, yeah.
Ben, thanks so much.
And hopefully we can have you back on the show to talk about your next project.
Okay, that's great.
Okay.
Great.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Ben.
Cheers.
What a fun interview, right?
This is the letters portion of the show.
It's a portion where I invite your viewer feedback.
I actually care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at Rebel News because we live or die on your support because we don't take any money from Justin Trudeau like the contaminated corporate media does.
It's one of the reasons I give out my email address at this portion of the show.
If you have something to say to me, it's Sheila at RebelNews.com.
Put gun show letters in the subject line so it's easier for me to find because I do get a lot of emails in a day and it just makes the ability to search a lot easier.
So this letter comes to me from somebody named Glenn, and it's, I think, based on a couple of shows that I did.
So I recently interviewed my friend Rick from the National Firearms Association and my friend Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation talking about Trudeau's gun grab.
Rick, of course, looks at it through the lens of a gun owner and an advocate for firearms rights.
And Chris looks at it definitely through that viewpoint, but also on behalf of Canadian taxpayers who are going to be paid or who are, sorry, going to pay for Trudeau's gun grab because Trudeau is banning guns, forcing people like me to turn them in.
And then he says he's going to compensate us for our guns instead of just letting us continue to own our guns that never did anything wrong.
It's crazy.
Anyway, Glenn writes, hi, Sheila.
I'm not sure if you're aware of the most simple shotgun that has only one ever made as a joke is on Trudeau's ban list.
Yeah, I did see that.
A joke gun made it on the ban list because that's the kind of experts making these gun bans.
They don't even know a joke gun from a real gun.
This video is from the guy that made it and wonders how Trudeau even knows about it.
And you know what?
Let's show the video right here.
So this is the Butt Master.
Very famous, not really that famous.
So how, and this is why I used to spread my video far and wide, folks.
or at least ask your friends, people in the know, why on earth does the Canadian government know about an NFA firearm?
They probably, I mean, looking at their stuff that they've banned, looks like they went through our NFA registry and banned stuff that's American-made NFA firearms.
And as far as I know, NFA, the NFA firearm list is kind of restricted.
It's, well, I always heard it was privileged tax information.
So it seems kind of like something's wrong there if a foreign government has access to our list of NFA firearms.
So do your due diligence.
Let me know.
See what the hell, or what do you think?
Let me know in the comments.
How on earth does Canada know about our NFA firearms?
Well, that little video was put on our radar by our new friend, Glenn Took Shearer.
Boy, Glenn, I hope I said that right.
There's a lot of C's, H's, and S's in your name who tells me to keep up the good work.
Although I'm not so sure I did such great work on your name there, Glenn.
But I do appreciate the feedback, and that was fun.
Well, everybody, thanks so much for watching the show.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week.