Baalenciaga’s November 16 ad campaign—featuring toddlers in bondage gear and a court document from United States v. Williams—sparked outrage, leading to its removal five days later amid silence from Kim Kardashian (who later distanced herself) and stylist Lota Volkova’s unverified disturbing imagery ties. Creative director Demna Vasileble denied approval, yet brands like Gucci and figures like Madonna (who tweeted "Bitch, I am Balenciaga" in 2022) face no consequences for similar controversies, exposing a double standard where pedophilia allegations are ignored while unrelated scandals trigger swift disavowals. The episode questions whether fashion’s moral hypocrisy reflects deeper systemic complicity or just another case of unchecked symbolism. [Automatically generated summary]
If Balenciaga were truly sorry for what they did, they would have fired everybody at the company and just started over.
I think so, because there's just no, how do you, how do you remedy this?
You can't.
You got to start from scratch.
Yeah.
So if that's what she should be saying, fire everyone.
Just get rid of them all.
Let's start fresh with some like conservatives.
Maybe Kat and Nat can be your new, you know.
If they want to go in another direction with like nice clothes.
I'm down for that.
And like a little like Christian, you know, conservative.
That'd be cute.
Like pro-life.
I don't know.
That'd be kind of cute.
That'd be so cute.
We're open to it.
We're open to it, you know.
Reevaluate our relationship.
Yeah, if they go in a completely different direction and fire everyone.
But this is just out in plain sight.
I find that very odd.
Like, is this, are they distracting us from something?
Yeah.
Heller.
And welcome to Misunderstood.
Yeah.
The show for the politically and culturally misunderstood lady, gent, binary, non-binary, non-bobmery.
Yeah.
We are your hosts.
I'm Nat.
And I am Kat.
Yeah.
And today, we're talking about, we're taking this seriously, guys.
This is not a joke.
This is not a joke.
Balenciaga Controversy00:02:55
We're talking about Balenciaga full stop.
That's it.
That's it.
That's all we're talking about.
Because there's so much stuff.
The more that we read about it, the less we want to be alive.
And pretty much.
Might I suggest to all of our loyal and faithful fans watching this, do not do your own research because, and I say that to spare you, because it is, it's not good.
The term rabbit hole, I don't even want to.
Which also implies pedophilia.
I don't, I know.
The words coming out of my mouth.
I don't want to talk about it.
I don't want to talk about any of this, but we're going to.
We're going to do a deep dive.
For you.
For you.
So you're going to have to.
So just let's back up a little bit.
So Balenciaga ad campaign features children with bondage teddy bears.
This was published on November 16th by Redux.
So the luxury fashion house Balenciaga is raising child safeguarding concerns after launching a new ad campaign featuring children and bondage themed toys.
Both of the image feature very young child models holding teddy bears.
Teddy bears are wearing what?
Bondage gear.
O B D S M gear.
B D S M gear.
And the children are very young?
Toddlers.
And just a side note on that, the father of the daughter in the shoot is defending it, insisting that the daughter had a fantastic time on set.
It's like, sir, you pimped out your daughter for cash and she's a toddler.
She does not know what's going on.
Like, did they give her candy?
I don't know.
Is that why I said a fantastic thing?
Yeah, I don't know.
Did the very nice man take her to the back room and give her candy?
That is conjecture, not fact.
But like, despite that, it's just very hard for me to believe that this child knows and understands what's going on.
So of course they're having a fancy, fun time on set.
Like they, you know?
Yeah.
They can't even pronounce Balenciaga.
I can't.
I honestly had to Google it before this.
So we're no longer going to be shopping there.
Unfortunately.
No more $6,000 bathrobes for me.
It's not because I can't afford it.
It's not because I have a moral, I'm a moral person.
It's morals.
It's morals.
So great.
So that's basically what's happening.
And then as of November 21st, Balenciaga scrubbed its official website homepage and social media following increasing public scrutiny.
Well, it's good to know that people were scrutinizing this.
Yes.
So before we dive into all of the stuff, there was just a very funny thread that I sent you that I don't even have notes on, but I just wanted to mention it because this, I have to think, it was a website called High Society or High Snobriety or something like that.
Snobriety.
Snobriety or something like that.
And they were doing like an in-depth thread on like basically just saying anyone who calls out Balenciaga is a conspiracy theorist.
Balenciaga's Social Media Scrub00:15:11
Oh, of course.
And they were saying that the reason that they scrub their IG is because they always do that after a campaign's over.
Right.
But it's like the Christmas season just began.
So it's like a weird time.
Like, so they took down this campaign and they put up the sake of feed.
Like so they're feeding like cool and yes, exactly.
Yeah.
So they're like, oh, that's normal.
But it's like Christmas season, shopping season just started.
So it's like, no.
Yeah.
What a weird, even if they're going to do that before spring 2023, you don't do it now.
No, you do it in the next cycle.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Super weird.
So don't listen to that, BS.
Don't, you're not a conspiracy theorist.
This is happening in plain sight.
And so one of the other things that stirred up a lot of controversy is that in one of the photos, which did not include the child models, one of the brands, Adidas Collaboration Handbags, was seen laying on a desk littered with documents.
One of the papers, upon closer investigation, appears to be from the 2008 Supreme Court case, United States versus Williams, which involved a man named Michael Williams, who in April 2004 used a public internet chat form to post a message offering to exchange child sexual abuse materials with other users in the group.
And then why?
Yeah.
You might be asking, we don't know.
Don't know why.
I'm just bringing you the facts.
I don't know why.
I don't know why it was included in the campaign.
It's super freaking creepy.
And one of the people that I was reading on Twitter, oh, my notes are all over the place.
But one of the things they said was like, it was just some random person on Twitter, but they were like, everything that's art is done purposefully.
Like you don't just have like, oops, we have just a pedo dog.
First of all, why do you have that?
Second of all, why like anything in a shot is there on purpose?
It's the same for film and whatever.
Well, they hire set designers.
They hire lighting designers.
They hire anyone behind this campaign in the marketing department would some there was a lot of hands in the pot here.
Yeah, and then of course, so they have, it goes from ideation where they're like, hmm, what should this campaign be?
Brainstorming to exactly brainstorming.
And then they hire the production company and then they make it.
And then after that, they have to approve it.
And then they have to hire advertising people to post it and spread it.
So a lot of people were involved in this.
Exactly.
So it's this, and I guess like, I know we have so many things here, but like since we're on the topic, like let's just skip to the fact that Balenciaga is now suing the production company who filmed, like who actually took these photographs in response to the backlash.
In response to the backlash.
Exactly.
But my theory, Tinfo Hat Theory, is that they know that that lawsuit will never go anywhere because they completely like, because this other user on Twitter mentioned that they're not, they're not suing for copyright infringement, which would be like if they were saying, oh, you used our brand in a way, like copyright infringement means the use of works protected by copyright without permission for usage where such permission is required.
So that they could have been like, oh, you used material that we don't like.
And like you, you copyright infringed.
You created, you did copyright infringement, I guess.
Yeah.
Committed it against us without our permission.
But they're not even alleging that.
They're just like, so I think that they're just saying they claim North Dix, which is the production company and 6.
Yeah, sorry.
North Six and Desjardins included the images of the court docs without their knowledge, which was malevolent or at the very least extraordinarily reckless.
That's what their filing states.
But that's, it's like, no judge would, again, I'm not a lawyer, but like no judge would agree with that because they're like, did you not see the photos?
Like, I'm just, I'm just like low-level Judge Judy stuff here.
You'd be like, oh, I'm looking at this photo right now and I can see that in the photo.
Like, why did you give this the green light?
It's so simple.
So my theory is that they're doing it knowing that it won't go anywhere, but it's just to appease people while this is in the media and hoping because like everyone has like the memory of a goldfish.
They're hoping in two months or whatever in a year when this is litigated, it'll just be gone and no one will care about it anymore when they're like, oh, you can't sue them for that.
That's my theory.
And even what's interesting, Tucker Carlson said this too in a monologue.
One thing he noted was that the preview of the document listed the word sex and sexual like several times in the sneak peek that you can see in the image.
And I just want to also make a note that although some people on social media believe the documents were from the other court case I mentioned, others also think it's from another case.
So it's, I don't really know what the answer is, but I've only ever seen the Williams like view.
Yeah, so another one is from the 2002 Supreme Court case, Ashcroft versus Free Speech Coalition, which justices struck down a portion of the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 that allowed virtual child pornography to be considered protected speech.
So basically like kitty porn is like legal.
Yeah, but it's like, I think that's what some people were saying on Twitter was like, if it's not actually depicting child pornography, it's just like alluding to it.
Yeah.
Then it's fine.
And that, so that would make sense because it's like, huh, wink, wink.
Yeah.
Like, this is all stage.
Yes.
It's, and, you know, they do that in movies.
For sure.
I mean, innuendos.
Yeah, exactly.
They imply and do that all in movies.
And I find it disturbing.
Like, I stopped watching the Dahlmer thing.
That wasn't child pornography, but it's just like we have this weird fetish as a society with watching gore and gruesome stuff.
And if it's like simulated, it's okay.
So that, I think that court case kind of like hinges on that.
It's like, oh, it's art.
It's free speech.
It's not, they're not really hurting kids, but by putting them in those situations and having those pictures out when they can't consent to it.
And then later as adults, maybe they are hurting them.
Yes.
No, it's, it's always a slippery slope.
And it's always normalizing this kind of stuff, right?
So, and that's the biggest issue.
We've seen how much of a slippery slope the normalization of so many things are in our society.
And now it appears that like high-level fashion brands are able to just get away with this pretty well scot-free because as we're going to talk about more later too, like celebrities have been pretty well radio silent on this up until this weekend when Cam Kardashian, who is very closely affiliated with the brand, finally spoke out.
But we should just backtrack a little because Blenciaga did recently apologize for their advertisement showcasing minors holding BDSM teddy bear purses.
So they say they're sorry.
I don't think it's good enough.
No.
So they made two apologies.
One was, yeah, let's bring that up.
The one on Twitter, yeah.
Yeah.
So one says that they apologized for the fact that they shouldn't have the teddy bears with the kids.
And that made a good point earlier when we were talking about it, which is like, you probably shouldn't have had the teddy bears at all because teddy bears are for children.
Yeah.
That's they're always like, even if you have a teddy bear, I do in my house.
They're from childhood.
Yeah.
Like they're, they remind me of childhood.
They're childlike.
So putting them in BDSM gear on their own, even without kids, is creepy.
Yeah.
But they're just apologizing for having them paired with children.
And then the other apology that they made was about having that court document in the photo that they are saying like they didn't, they had no idea.
And like how could this have happened?
That's right.
Again, it's a huge fashion campaign.
It's not like someone tweeted.
Yeah.
And then, like, when someone like Kim Kardashian is one of the spokespeople for this brand, it's not like they don't have.
They're traded.
Yeah.
It's not like they don't have all hands on deck here.
A lot of money, a lot of resources, a lot of preparation, a lot of labels.
Like, Kim Kardashian doesn't even post a photo of herself on IG without having multiple people look at it and pick the right angle.
Like, so you're telling me that this whole giant accident.
It was just an accident.
Somebody happened to have that, you know, in their makeup bag and it just fell out or something.
And like they're taking a close-up photo, they wouldn't be like, what is that?
Yeah.
Like, what is that?
Yeah.
So they apologize.
Nobody thinks it's good enough.
And some celebrities kind of responded to this, but nobody, nobody who's directly involved with the brand.
Nobody interesting other than conservatives who we all know would condemn this for a bigger.
So we've seen condemnations from like Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson.
Evie magazine has talked about it.
Ali Bestuckey Stuckey, all sorts of conservative people that you would expect.
There was one, I have it written down here.
There's this one guy who plays for the Rams.
Love that guy.
He is a name?
Cooper Cup.
Oh, I love my favorite Ram.
Cooper Cup.
So you all were holding your breath to find out what he thought about it.
I certainly was.
He condemned it.
That's good.
That's good.
That's a start.
I mean, that's it.
I like it.
It begins and ends.
I think Ali Bestucky put it really well.
She said, so Balenciaga used toddlers to advertise BDSM trinkets.
And the only mainstream outlet I've seen cover it is Fox.
Someone tell me why this is apparently a partisan issue.
And it's like, it's so true because whatever.
If you like Balenciaga, cool, peaches and cream.
Like, you're allowed to like their clothes.
We were looking at them before.
They're quite odd.
I don't like them.
Yeah.
But that's a it's okay.
It's subjective.
I have it.
Right.
She has it.
I don't.
I kind of like the alien glasses.
But protecting children should, like, it's really not, it's, it's not a left or right issue.
It's not a, it's not a Catholic Christian Muslim issue.
Everybody should be on board.
Absolutely.
It's, it's just ridiculous that you all want your true colors to show throughout in not reacting to this and not responding or criticizing it.
It's so easy to say that this is bad.
Like it's objectively bad.
Yeah.
So Bella Hadid had a post because she was in one of the recent campaigns and she deleted the whole gallery of didn't say anything though.
That's like silent, quiet like a mouse, although a mouse actually makes more noise than that.
She's a coward.
She just completely deleted it.
Like, and not because, I bet it's not because she actually gives a crap about the campaign.
It's because she didn't want to face any backlash.
If she gave a crap, she would say something.
Yeah, exactly.
She didn't.
And that's the thing.
So many of these celebrities are outspoken about all these social justice, you know, activism and all these sorts of things, like Ukraine, Iran, all these things.
And when it comes to something that really counts, nope.
Yeah.
Blair White made an interesting point about it too.
She said, if Balenciaga had made a campaign that offended the LGBTQUISAP community, every celebrity would be condemning it.
It would be like, you know, Kanye West.
Yeah.
It's so true.
But as of this taping, which we tape on Monday afternoon, as of right now, I was just on Twitter looking at like top tweets, latest tweets, and there's literally nothing other than the conservative people that we mentioned.
Yeah.
And then just a bunch of randos.
Yeah, random.
And then, of course, yesterday, Kim Kardashian finally broke her silence.
So yesterday was, I think, Sunday.
Yes.
Six days into this whole thing, Kim Kardashian finally makes a statement.
And it's kind of long, but I guess we can read it.
Make sure you screenshot it, folks.
Yeah, because it'll be deleted in no time.
She said, I have been quiet for the past few days, not because I haven't been shocked and outraged by the recent Balenciaga campaigns, but because I wanted an opportunity to speak to their team to understand for myself how this could have happened.
As a mother of four, I have been shaken by those disturbing images.
The safety of children must be held with the highest regard, and anything against it should have no place in our society.
Period.
I appreciate Balenciaga's removal of the campaign and apology and speaking with them.
I believe they understand the seriousness of the issue and will take the necessary measurements for this to never happen again.
As for my future with Valenciaga, I'm currently re-evaluating my relationship with the brand, basing it off their willingness to accept accountability for something that should have never happened to begin with, and the actions I'm expecting to see them take to protect children.
So that's like the weakest statement ever.
Most, almost everyone I saw on Twitter was commenting, like, this is nothing.
You're saying nothing right now.
Well, what's to reevaluate?
That's what I want to know.
What is there to re-evaluate?
They are promoting child pornography.
Like, it's pretty clear what you need to do, Kim, as a mother of four, especially.
Like, I cannot understand how anyone who has raised children, who hopefully loves their children and wants to take care of them, could be like, yes, this is okay.
I just don't understand that.
Well, I have very low expectations of her.
Yeah.
So I'm not shocked by it, but it's like, it's just so obvious that, like, what then?
One of the notes I wrote was like, it's so weird that we live in this world where this celebrity reality star who's known for really nothing but just sharing nudity and her butt and like having money and making more money.
Being married to Connie.
Exactly.
This person who's known for really nothing wholesome at all has to make this like PR-like politician statement on something.
Giving her legal training to use.
Exactly.
And I'm sure she didn't write this alone.
No.
I mean, it kind of like some of the wording, I'm like, you don't sound the smartest, but I'm sure she had like lots.
Well, actually, we know that because she posted this and then deleted it and then reposted it with like slightly different words, like stronger language, apparently.
Right.
It's just so it's like clearly this was like a PR apology and not enough.
And it's not, and she's saying, like, I'm currently reevaluating my relationship with the brand based off their willingness to accept accountability.
Well, there's no, there's no way they can't accept accountability.
They've well, they're not really, though, because they're placing blame on the production.
So unless they drop this lawsuit, she's going to drop them.
Like, no way.
Like, right.
So, like, Kim, like, what, what's going on?
Are you going to allow them to blame the production company and blame the photographer who they hired and gave ideas to and greenlit the idea to go live?
Like, it makes no sense.
If Balenciaga were truly sorry for what they did, they would have fired everybody at the company and just started over.
I think so, because there's just no, how do you, how do you remedy this?
You can't.
You got to start from scratch.
Yeah.
So if that's what she should be saying, fire everyone.
Just get rid of them all.
Let's start fresh with some like conservatives.
Maybe Kat and Nat can be your new, you know.
If they want to go in another direction with like nice clothes, I'm down for that.
And like a little like Christian, you know, conservative.
That'd be cute.
Like pro-life.
I don't know.
That'd be kind of cute.
That'd be so cute.
We're open to it.
We're open to it.
You know, reevaluate our relationship.
Yeah, if they go in a completely different direction and fire everyone.
Including the creative director, Demna Gavsalia.
Vasalia.
Vasalia.
You're probably right.
Reevaluate Our Relationship00:03:07
It's probably Silent G. Who's this guy?
He said spokespeople for the company have said that they had not approved the campaign.
What?
Then you got some bigger issues.
The creative director, yeah, if you didn't approve this, like that's the thing.
They're just like, oh, someone else is like, bro, that's your job, creative director.
It's just like hot potato.
No one wants to take accountability for it and it's either it's either there is really one person to blame here or they all knew about it and they're just kind of, you know, giving us the runaround so that no one has to actually speak about it and own up to it.
That's like if you and I posted some really gross content on this show and then we're like we never approved it.
It was Olivia, you know.
Like it was Mike.
It was Mike.
We can't be responsible for that.
It's like it's your show.
Yeah, you see your, you foresee it.
You look over everything that goes out before.
No one is accountable for you, but you, like you are the only one you're responsible for.
You babes sorry, it's like pretty simple.
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
And then should we talk about the stylists?
It's just so.
This is what we were talking before about the rabbit hole.
It's like, okay, this is some weird stuff.
It just keeps going, the more every second.
I refreshed my twitter this morning.
There was something else.
I was like, oh, my god, and that's like case we need.
We can't stop.
It's really bad.
It's bad.
It gets worse, though.
So um, it's bad and it gets worse.
It's really bad and it gets worse.
So um, there's this uh, one of the head stylists there.
She's a designer, but she's also a stylist.
I don't really know.
Her name is Lota Volkova, and she had, um an instagram page.
I tried to find it and I did find something that looked like her, but it didn't have any of this stuff on it, right?
Um, so i'm not sure.
So anyways, she had an instagram page with super highly disturbing images.
If could we bring up some of those, Olivia?
Yeah so, just for some background on her, she's been one of the main stylists uh, at Balenciaga since 2014.
She has a relationship with an accused pedophile.
I did not know that.
Yeah um, interesting.
Um, she's worked with Vogue Adidas Balenciaga Chanel uh, Jean-paul Gautier, amongst others.
Mark Jacobs constantly comments on her instagram posts.
She, just like Gosha who Gosha, a Russian fashion designer, have an interest in really young looking boys.
Um, she seems to enjoy art and pictures that depict children either in distress, bondage or something of that nature, and she has a weird fetish, allegedly for teddy bears, which actually I did not know.
This um, there's a meme called Pedo bear which went around uh, but also is interestingly how pedos recognize other pedos apparently.
Am I Pedo?
A lot of teddy bears?
No, I don't think so.
Okay yeah, I think you know if you were Pedo.
Okay yeah, you're probably right.
Yeah anyway, I just have them.
They just sit there and that's it.
And one of the other things this thread notes is that there are a lot of reoccurring themes of teddy bears in the fashion world.
So what does that mean?
Someone Could Have Printed00:03:49
I don't know.
This person who made this thread doesn't know either, but it's interesting.
It is symbolism.
Yeah um, a lot of the photos on her instagram are, there's a picture of like a young pre-pubescent boy with his face down on the ground and there's like a big, like bloody cut On his back, like as if someone was like, it looks like a track market, like someone drove over or something.
Um, there's a picture of a little girl who's has like headphones like taped to her head, and she's all taped up, like on a chair with her legs kind of spread and her eyes and mouth covered.
Yeah, um, being like forced to listen to something.
It's very disturbing, very super disturbing, and apparently, so like I've never heard of this person before I started reading about them either and I saw I clearly didn't go to her Instagram, so I can't confirm if the stuff was actually there, but people took screenshots, and apparently now it's all gone.
Yeah, this is this is one of those things exactly.
Like, I don't know for sure myself, but this guy, Jake Shields, who I think he's a UFC fighter, um, he took screenshots of all of this stuff, but again, we're just we're just delivering the messages to you all where the messengers claim yes, I don't know for a fact, but uh, she seems creepy enough, um, and then there's the other dark symbolism, yeah.
Uh, so one of the pictures uh from the Balenciaga child photo has Balenciaga spelled on tape, spelled B-A-A-L-E-N-C-I-A-G-A.
And for those of you who don't know, BAL is a Canaanite deity whose kids were rituistically sacrificed.
So he was a god worshipped by the Israelites when they went astray after the death of Gideon, according to Hebrew scriptures.
So really, really not lovey-dove-y stuff.
It's really warm and fuzzy for sure.
It's just like, so Balenciaga can be like, oh, we didn't know about the paper.
Oh, no.
But then there's literally satanic symbols.
Yeah.
And so, like, the Baal and Siaga thing, it's like you said, it's police tape that's printed with the extra A in it.
So you someone had to print that.
You had to print that.
You had to go and let it print it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's not just something you have laying around.
Like someone could have printed, I guess someone could have printed out a page with a creepy court document on it and put it on the table.
Sure.
Maybe a hundred people who looked at it didn't notice.
I guess maybe that's possible.
But printing special novelty tape that's supposed to be like police tape, but it's Balenciaga and it's spelt Baal with two A's.
That's no accident.
No, it's not.
And then there's a weird drawing next to the, there's another photo which has like a rabbit and it literally shows this entity, Baal.
It's just, it's there.
It's just there more than once.
So it's on the tape and then it's in a drawing and it's very hard to see.
It's it's in plain sight though, you guys.
It's satanic.
It's really nice.
It's beautiful.
Cute stuff.
And there's other interesting imagery in this photo.
There's a lot of rainbow imagery.
There is so one of them, the guy in this thread basically says that when he's analyzing it, he uses the example of Kubrick's last movie, Eyes Wide Shut, which is an expose on elite Satanism and sexual abuse.
Rainbows are prominent in the movie.
So two women try to lead Tom's character.
I guess that's one of the Tom Cruise.
Yeah, okay, Tom Cruise's character away in the beginning and he asks where they are going and they say where the rainbow ends, which is allegedly an allusion to elite pedophilia along with the rabbit symbolism, the white rabbit, which we know from Alice in Wonderland, allegedly Lewis Carroll also has a pedophilic obsession.
Half True, Half False00:09:01
And then there's another point that this person makes that the boy in the image is wearing ruby red slippers, follow the yellow brick road.
So basically it's ruining everything for everyone.
This whole Balenciaga thing.
Yeah.
Again, these are all who knows.
Like, we don't know what's necessarily true, but there just seems to be so much.
That's the thing.
Similarly, half of this is BS that people are photoshopping on the internet.
Just a lot.
The other half is probably true.
Yeah.
There's just a lot going on.
There's so this article from Eevee highlights this other thing that people notice on Twitter, which is this is just a quote from the article.
Renowned fashion brand Valenciaga was pressured into taking down its recent campaign, yada yada yada.
However, their most recent campaign that replaced the creepy photos of minors is just as twisted and dark, featuring art that glamorizes pedophilia, cannibalism, and slavery.
So there's this artist named, hold on.
Oh, yes.
What's his name?
Oh, Michael Bormans.
Yes.
So in, again, didn't know who this person was until yesterday.
Just because you're not a creepy pedophile.
Thank you.
That's very nice.
I think that's probably it.
Yeah, pretty much.
So in the, like this, like I just said, in the campaign that replaced the one with the creepy bears and the children, there's a woman at a desk in an office and behind her is a, is a stack of books.
And one of the books is of this artist, Michael Bormans.
And when you Google Michael Bormans, don't, by the way.
I'm going to, I'm going to put it in.
Yeah.
So sorry.
Shield your eyes.
Don't watch this episode with kids around.
Don't watch the episode.
Just don't watch it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's great.
It's disgusting.
When you Google it, you'll you'll see.
It's all highly disturbing, dark.
Like, again, I don't mind dark.
I don't mind art, but a lot of it involves children.
So it's highly disturbing, dark art, really creepy stuff that involves children with hoods on their face masks and tied up and really creepy stuff.
And then someone else on Twitter, Twitter's cool, pointed out that the outfit that Kim and Kanye wore to, I think it was the Met Gala?
Yes, it was.
A couple years ago, 2019, maybe?
No, it was the one before last.
2020.
So was there 2021 Met Gala, I think?
So Kim and Kanye wore all black outfits with their faces completely covered.
And it really resembles some of the paintings of Michael Bormans.
It's just creepy.
And the thing is, it's like, fine, that's adults, but there's also paintings of children doing that.
And then there's also a picture of Northwest wearing a similar kind of gimp mask.
Yeah.
Walking around, I think Paris Fashion Week or something like that.
With her face is completely covered in a black mask.
Yeah, I mean, this Michael Borman, like the images have, it's toddlers running around naked and stuff.
Like it's, there's like, it's witchcraft, like resemblance and symbolism too in a lot of these images.
And then also another thing to note about this image that Kat just described in the office, there's like a certificate in a frame and the name in it is John Philip Fisher, who is allegedly someone who was accused of sexually molesting his granddaughter from the ages of four to 16 years old.
That's pretty pointed.
Why?
Like it's like, why?
Why put that name there?
Yeah, I don't know.
It's so weird.
Because it's art, because it's cool.
Like, sell your $7,000 bathrobe.
Who cares?
Yeah.
But why do you have to make it creepy with kids?
Is there some, does that make the value of the moving higher?
Is everyone just bored because Epstein's gone?
And they're like, let's figure out a new way to torment children.
And that's what, that's actually something we should talk about, though, because I'm very confused about how it's in plain sight.
Normally they just kind of maybe like some conspiracy theorists, you know, are like, oh, do you notice that symbolism?
You know, Justin Bieber is doing this and he means he's of something, you know?
Okay, sure.
But this is just out in plain sight.
I find that very odd.
Like, is this, are they distracting us from something?
And what are they doing?
That's another thing.
It's like, are they just feeding trolls right now?
Right.
Like, are they not pedophiles at all and they're just doing all this stuff?
Or they're distracting from something even more sinister.
Exactly.
I really don't know.
Are they laughing at all the people who care about children?
Like, oh, ha ha, stupid conservatives getting their panties in a knot over this stuff.
It's like, but what are you, why?
Like, then on the other hand, why would Kim Kardashian apologize and why would they scrub the images?
It just makes no sense.
I feel like.
Yeah, that's the thing.
If it was a troll, they'd just be like, ha ha ha.
Exactly.
Do you think this is like a red herring maybe where they're distracting us from something even worse?
I don't know.
But like, sure, these are images and images are powerful and art is very influential and it's all evil and stuff, but what's really going on here?
There has to be something going on.
If they were actually, like, if there was actually this abuse going on, why would they highlight it?
Why would they shine the spot?
That's what I don't understand.
It's so weird.
It's very confusing.
And that's why, I mean, there's just so many rabbit holes we can go down.
And one of the things that's interesting is that this is really exposing that it's not just Balenciaga.
There are other brands.
Yeah, and a lot of them must be.
Yeah, and like this person that we already spoke about, Loda Volkova.
Yeah.
Lota Volkova.
And then the creative director, Demna Vasileble.
Yeah.
Both of them.
Like, I know for a fact that Loda has worked at other companies.
I think Gucci may be one of them.
Yeah, we mentioned the comos.
Yeah.
So like, yeah, I kind of cut you off, but it's like they are, there's a lot of like mixing and mingling going on with these high fashion brands.
A lot of incest.
Yeah, and like, I love fashion.
Me too.
I can't afford it, but I love it.
But I like to pretend I can.
Exactly.
And I like to look at it and we like to talk about it.
Yeah.
And now it's like, how many of these people are making these beautiful pieces of art, excluding Balenciaga, in my opinion?
Well, some of the stuff is cool, but that coat.
Anyways.
Yeah.
How many of these people are making this beautiful art, but then are also doing super creepy, evil, evil stuff?
Satanic things.
And why?
Yeah, I just don't understand.
Why do they have to be connected at all?
I don't get it.
It's not the coat.
I know.
Do you have to be evil and satanic and allegedly abuse children to make beautiful works of art?
And if something's bad, like call it out and cut ties.
Like Vogue and Balenciaga and all these places were so quick to cut ties with Kanye West.
And we're not going to get into that.
No, but like if you, if you have an opinion about something and you're like, that I find morally reprehensible, go ahead, cut ties.
Right, cut ties.
But then do it.
Like actually do it.
Like why is no one cutting ties?
Like that's another thing people have been saying on the internet.
They're like, Kim broke up with Kanye over a MAGA hat.
We don't know.
Right.
I'm sure there's a little more involved.
But yeah, sure.
But she's like silent about pedophilia.
And it's like, where's Vogue?
Like Anna Wintor?
Yeah.
Where are you at?
She'll go off on Kanye West on Twitter for his ugly boots.
And they'll say things like, Trump will never be allowed back at the Met Gala because he's offended you so much, Anna Wintor.
But yet, what is it?
Pedophilia is fine.
This is fine.
It's totally cool.
Because it was art and also they didn't know.
And also they apologized.
Which one is it?
Yeah, which one is it?
Which one is it?
It can't be all of those things.
It's either art and they're going to stand by it or they didn't know and they're going to delete it.
Or they, I mean, that's, I guess that's it.
But it's like, it can't be both of those things.
No.
And some things are just objectively bad.
It's okay.
It's okay.
It was a miss.
Yeah.
It was a really bad miss.
And I have a quote because I think a lot of this is sort of spiritual in a way.
C.S. Lewis said this.
So there is no neutral ground in the universe.
Every square inch, every split second is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan.
And I think right now we're seeing that play out in real time.
And I think it's...
Yeah, you're either with them or you're against them.
Exactly.
You should be against them.
And even though it's really, it's tough to see all this and know about this, I mean, it's ignorance is bliss.
It's interesting that it's being exposed.
It's interesting.
And it's good that it's being exposed.
If all this is, like, I don't even know.
Like, it's, there's so much, like, who knows what's true.
And I don't know.
It's just overwhelming.
But it's just one of those things.
It's like at least half of it has to be true.
Yeah.
And like the truth is somewhere between the like either it's none of it's true or all of it's true, it's probably somewhere in the middle where some of it's true.
I think a big takeaway is that these people are showing you exactly who they are.
Yeah, and it's and they don't care about morals.
No, and claim to.
And at least they're admitting it, I guess.
But it just means that there is we're at a crossroads in our culture, I think, where, like, and I'm not into cancel cancel culture at all, but this isn't, you're not, I think, though, when you do something, no, but you can boycott.
Yeah, boycotting.
But when someone does something like just disgusting and despicable and evil, you can't, you can't support it anymore.
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So throw out your Balenciaga or donate it to no, I won't wear it.
Yeah, no.
I'll wear it under my shirt.
No.
Yeah, I probably won't.
I mean, for $600, like they are literally selling those Adidas.
I know we've talked about this learning, but I'm just going to say it.
They are selling Adidas Balenciaga Collab t-shirts right now on the website.
You can go to it.
And they're literally just a plain t-shirt that says Balenciaga with the Adidas logo on it.
And they're like $600, $800.
And I'm like, they must be so soft.
I would hope that it's like the softest cotton.
I hope it's handmade.
I hope it's handmade by like princesses, not child slaves in China, which probably is made in China.
I'm pretty sure they're made in China.
What the heck is that about?
Yeah.
That's a whole other thing.
That's a whole other thing, which we'll maybe talk about one day.
Maybe.
There's so much more we could say.
I have so many notes, but I feel kind of touched on everything.
I know.
Kardashian, really weak apology.
The Rams guy.
Yeah.
Satanic symbols.
Yeah, and pedophilia.
Someone's saying something, even though I don't know who that guy is.
Oh, I actually wrote down something.
Yes.
So in 2020, in September of this past year, 2022, Madonna posted a picture of her wearing Balenciaga, and the tweet was, Bitch, I am Balenciaga.
Not a big deal, whatever.
But people did some digging on Madonna.
Oh, no.
And in 1992, she wrote a book about, I think it's just called Sex.
And in it, she describes in depth how she had sex with a teenager.
She calls him a baby and goes into great deal about how smooth and young and inexperienced he was.
And she might have been 18.
Like, it doesn't say.
It doesn't matter.
But it's so creepy.
She's so creepy.
She's so creepy.
The whole thing is about how younger people, it's like very erotic.
And it's just like Madonna.
Anyway, so my point is fetish.
It's so disgusting.
Yeah.
So, like, I don't know if this person was under 18, but even so, it's really gross.
So, we can't expect any statements from Madonna condemning Balenciaga anytime soon.
Okay, good to know.
I was waiting for her.
So I was holding my breath.
I was going blue in the face.
She's just a vision of morality leading us all to the promised land.
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