Kat and Nat critique the body positivity movement’s hypocrisy, citing Taylor Swift’s edited scale backlash and Disney’s misleading plus-size heroine, while dismissing systemic fatphobia as mere personal preference. They contrast "toxic" male ambition—like Tom Brady’s career over family—with biblical masculinity, defending it against APA critiques and Andrew Tate/Jordan Peterson comparisons, blaming societal decline on fatherlessness and weak leaders like Justin Trudeau. The episode also targets transgender narratives, mocking Dylan Mulvaney’s TikTok fame while condemning a video game concept glorifying violence against gender-critical women as fascist, yet hypocritically tolerated. They urge disengagement and prayer for "female spaces," framing the debate as a clash between traditional values and modern polarization. [Automatically generated summary]
Hello and welcome to Misunderstood, the spooky show for all you culturally and politically misunderstood goals and goblets.
We are your hosts.
I'm Kat.
And I'm Nat.
And in today's episode, we're going to talk about fat phobia and the lies sold to us by the body positivity movement.
We also tackle masculinity following Tom Brady and Giselle Bunchen's divorce and discuss the scariest thing happening to women currently.
Trans TikToker, Dylan Mulvaney.
But first, let's just get into it because we don't have culture shocks.
Culture shock, it's Halloween.
Culture shock, we lost our bodies and we're just disembodied heads now.
Yes.
It happens.
It's unfortunate.
But it happens.
So get over it.
Yeah.
Get over it.
Alrighty.
So everybody knows everyone's favorite climate criminal Taylor Swift is accused of being fat phobic in a scene of her new music video.
When the scale displays a message instead of a number.
What was the message?
Fat.
Wow!
It was the word fat.
Ooh, so terrifying.
Wow.
That is really triggering.
I'm triggered.
I'm triggered.
And I'm so glad that Taylor Swift was also triggered because it turns out, guys, she ended up caving to the mob and she cut the scene from the video.
Who didn't cut the scene?
She just, well, yeah, just the shot.
The shot.
Yeah.
But the scene still remains and she's still standing on a scale.
And we all know.
Her alter ego is still disappointed.
So it's like, either she's underweight or she's overweight.
And we know.
Yeah.
We know.
We all know what it is.
She's fat.
She's so fat.
But what people might not know.
Whoa, something in my eye.
Whoa.
My disembodied eye.
Okay.
What people might not know is that Taylor Swift actually confessed to having an eating disorder.
Yes.
In her documentary, Miss America, which came out a couple of years ago.
And I didn't know that about her.
And you can, you know, you see someone skinny and beautiful and you just assume, oh, their life is perfect.
Everything's great.
But no, she has body dysmorphia and she suffers and she starves herself to maintain her small weight.
And there was a compilation on the Twitters the other day about this is why people like Taylor Swift have eating disorders.
Because it was like all these like ter you know those terrible gossip magazines that were like, when she gained a bit of weight during the Reputation cellulite yeah, it was like oh, like Taylor Swift must be pregnant because she's so fat.
Now she has cellulite.
Yeah, because she has skin.
Yeah, you're not allowed to have skin.
No, and it's interesting because this song Anti-hero, which she considers to be one of her favorite songs she's ever written, the music video that she wrote and directed as well, is reflective of her own nightmare scenarios.
So this is just her basically laying out it, laying it all out there for people and her being really vulnerable frankly, and I think it's kind of refreshing that she's like hey, I have it all.
I'm a superstar, i'm a millionaire, and yet I still struggle with insecurities Because I'm a human being.
Human being, yeah.
You know, and not allowed.
No, you're not allowed.
And that's what stands up, what stands out the most for me is that you're just obviously never pure enough or woke enough for the left.
So I really hope, Taylor, I mean, you caved this time, but it would be nice if you just took that into consideration and just stopped caring.
Like, they don't, they don't, they want you to be miserable.
They want you to feel guilt.
Yeah, it's literally the people who hate her who say this stuff.
And the argument that these people were making, I wrote it down, but it's basically like Taylor's implying that the worst thing you can be is like me, which is supposed to be fat.
Yeah.
And it's like, get over yourself.
Taylor's not thinking about you.
She's literally just having an artistic expression.
Instead of tweeting about her anorexia, she's making art out of it.
Which is productive.
Arguable.
Yeah.
And there's so many, like a lot of girls who have eating disorders are severely underweight.
Yeah.
And, you know, last week we talked with the person with atypical anorexia who's like severely overweight.
So that's okay.
Yeah.
It's okay.
You're allowed to be fat.
You're allowed to be fat and have an eating disorder.
And like we talked about it, there's a lot of mixed feelings there, but like at the end of the day, this girl is suffering from something.
Yeah.
So do we sympathize with it?
Exactly.
Who's to say that she's not?
She doesn't have an eating disorder just because she's overweight.
We think maybe she was glamorizing it a little bit.
But hey, but it's very different.
Exactly.
It's your experience.
And everyone's like, oh, you're so brave.
You're so like body positive, whatever.
But then if Taylor Swift does it, who just happens to be gorgeous, it's not okay anymore because she has everything, but she can't have any actual real feelings.
Like, I can't imagine how she must feel about that.
Well, it's the same thing with the whole like my truth movement.
So you're allowed to have your truth, but Taylor's not allowed to have her own lived experience.
Like it just, it's quite hypocritical.
And I also just think it's important to point out that calling someone fat is not offensive.
That's a fact.
Like there is fat and skinny.
Like it's pretty obvious.
And like you're allowed to feel fat when you're not necessarily morbidly obese.
Yeah.
No, it's so true.
Like sorry.
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
It's unfortunate that she caved because now they know you're very weak and they're going to continue to prey on you, Taylor.
And we don't want that.
Although we'll make a great album.
Yes.
So why don't we?
Please write a song about this.
Yes.
Please write a song.
Okay.
Anything else on that?
I don't think so.
I mean, I could go on for hours.
I could go on for so long, too.
She caved.
She caved.
Oh, actually, there is this other article, though, from The Rolling Stone, which is, they just quoted this.
They say a bunch of crap and then they say, simply put, it's not that she thinks being fat is a bad thing, but that she was made to believe that it was.
And I don't think that's true because no one thinks being fat is good.
Like what it, like, what's bad is having an unhealthy body image and an unhealthy relationship with food, but no one's like, like, that's, I think, what the music video is more accurately representing.
Like, Taylor Swift doesn't want to be fat.
Like, so we need to stop saying, you know what I mean?
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, like it's, it's not okay for her to not want to be fat.
Like they're, they're implying that she's been like duped.
Yeah.
Like, oh, she doesn't understand that she's been tricked into thinking she doesn't want to be fat.
Yeah, but she just doesn't want to be fat.
She just doesn't want to be fat.
And you know, most people actually don't want to be fat because it's unhealthy.
Like it's uncomfortable.
You want to be healthy.
You want to be able to move.
You want to have nice skin.
You just want to take care of your body.
You want your feelings to stop.
Exactly.
Like maybe you don't want diabetes.
I don't know.
Maybe that just means you're a crazy bigot.
And then, so we found this Twitter thread, which kind of debunks maybe or like helps support why we think this is all a big scam.
So this is from Gina Bontempo.
She's a writer at Eevee.
Or she was, I assume she still is.
She tweeted that she said, I'm convinced the body positivity movement was created by a bunch of hot girls to eliminate a lot of competition so that they'd have a better shot at securing a high quality meat.
It's brilliant.
Convince other women to voluntarily self-destruct in the name of empowerment and self-love.
Yeah, so then she goes on to say, go ahead, sweetie.
You eat, you're doing great and you look amazing.
Beauty standards are so unfair.
Meanwhile, they're size two and hip thrusting in the gym while eating fruit for dessert.
Basically, like mean girls in real life.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
It's great.
And it's true.
And it reminded me of, there was an article a couple weeks ago that we couldn't get to because we ran out of time, but it was written by an ex-writer at Cosmopolitan Magazine who back, I think it was the 80s or 90s.
I think it was the 90s.
She was a writer there and she said that she had to hide the fact that she was married and had a child because it was so frowned upon at the magazine and they were constantly pushing an anti-marriage, anti-child agenda on the readers like editorially.
However, the editor-in-chief herself was married.
Of course.
So it's like they want you to be honest.
They want you to be miserable and alone and fat and sick.
It's hating yourself.
They can profit off of your misery that way.
It's genius.
How do they sell you stuff without you hating yourself first?
No, it's so true.
And I think what's important to take away from Gina Florio's Twitter thread is that it's not like it's not loving to tell your friends or family that they're healthy when they're not.
Like if your friend was, you know, cutting their, slitting their wrists or, you know, doing something extremely harmful to them, you would call them out on that.
So I don't think it's right as friends to encourage our friends and affirm them when they're doing something that's not good for them.
That doesn't mean being an asshole, but the Bible does say speak the truth in love.
So you gotta, you gotta tell people the truth.
That's the most loving thing to do.
Exactly.
And Taylor Swift is trying to tell her truth by not sweeping the fact that she starves herself under the rug because it helps people.
Like, oh, I don't look like Taylor Swift.
I'm not that skinny.
Well, it's like, well, she suffers.
Yeah.
And she want to suffer?
Like, she doesn't, when she looks in the mirror, she sees something that isn't necessarily like representative of what everyone else sees.
Like, that's body dysmorphia.
That's not fun to deal with.
So it's not like, oh, she has everything.
It's like, well, if you want to have everything, you got to starve yourself too.
And it's like, that's not healthy.
That's not.
She's setting a good example.
And it's nice.
I think it's nice for other women to know that they're not alone.
You know?
I don't know.
And of course, like, we've talked about this before.
Throughout history, beauty standards have been impossible to achieve.
Right now, even more impossible because you have to basically reconstruct your entire body to look like Kim Kardashian.
But I mean, the pendulum has also swung too far with the body positivity movement.
Yeah, women do come in different shapes and sizes and they're beautiful, but that doesn't mean like they're healthy.
We need to be promoting healthy.
And that doesn't matter what size you are.
It's just the overarching thing.
Like you need to be healthy.
You need to take care of yourself.
And then you can prevent Alzheimer's, which is great.
With high-fat diets, with lots of fiber.
Yeah.
Kind of them seed oils.
You know?
That brings us to our next article.
Disney goes big with its first ever plus-size heroine.
So I don't even have a problem with this personally.
And here's why.
This character is just adorable.
It just looks funny to me.
Yeah, she is cute.
She looks like an eraser.
Yeah, she does look like an eraser.
No, she's very cute.
And I wrote this article.
Yes.
But the thing that I take issue with is that athletes are literally the most physically fit people on the planet, especially ballerinas.
You're supposed to be a symbol of strength and health.
And so when you.
She looks like a strong eraser.
Okay.
But like when you put someone in a position where they're chubby and they're an athlete, I just think it's a complete lie.
And I think it's actually a little dangerous for Disney to perpetuate this lie because it's like a, like, this person would never be a ballerina in real life.
Yes.
However, ballerinas are notorious for also suffering from eating disorders.
Absolutely.
So like, so there needs to be a lot of fun.
And also she's not, I don't think, I mean, I don't know, I haven't seen it, but is she supposed to be a professional ballerina?
I don't know.
I'm thinking she's a kid, right?
But I think.
She's just a, she's just doing ballet, like in a, in a.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
And if you're a chubby kid who wants to do ballet, that's pretty cute.
Yeah, exactly.
It's adorable.
But Disney has also been pretty keen on perpetuating a certain narrative and they do have an agenda.
And we know that their agenda is not the healthiest for children.
No, so that's also where I'm kind of like, it's tough because it's like, on one hand, this is just a kid, but on the other hand, are they just trying to push that this should be normalized?
Yeah, that's a good point.
You know, yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know the answer.
No, I just think like when I look at this character, I see someone with an endomorphic body.
And we know that there's, what is it, ectomorph, mesomorph, and endomorphs.
So ectomorphs are tall, skinny, lanky.
Then there's mesomorphs, who's like someone like me who's just like very regular.
And then there's an endomorph who's like George Costanza, stalky.
That's actually how I learned it.
It was in health class in high school.
They were like, Kramer is an ectomorph.
Jerry's a mesomorph.
And George is an endomorph.
So to me, I see an endomorph.
Like, she doesn't even have, like, she's not like Lizzo.
She doesn't have like, they didn't make her like rippling with fat.
She's just like, and one of the things, sorry, well, it's just, she's also a kid.
And, and this is this kid is a fat child.
And they're going to have health issues when they grow up and they remain fat, you know?
Yes, I agree.
So it's just, but it could also just be, yeah, I think you're right.
Like in terms, when I look at it, I don't see that.
But if it's part of the story where they're like, oh, I'm super fat.
But like sometimes cartoons are just like, oh, we're just doing like a thick thing.
Yeah.
You know, sure.
Which is funny because in this article, you know, you know that the Daily Mail noted that villains are typically the only plus-eyed characters featured in Disney films and Telden Joe.
That's BS.
That is, I literally wrote The Incredibles.
The dad was an absolute unit of a man who couldn't fit into a spandex.
Then there's Aladdin Jasmine's father, who's a good guy, and then the Sultan, who's super skinny and tall.
And then there's the Emperor's New Groove.
The villain is super skinny.
Yeah.
101 Dalmatian.
Exactly.
He's skinny.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, well, it's funny.
It's bullshit.
It is.
And they were targeted for this.
Disney's been targeted for setting unrealistic expectations.
And I will say the princess's waists are.
Yeah, they're like Ariel's waist is literally like this.
Even in the Cinderella remake with the live-action one with Lily James, like her waist is literally, like, I could like snap her in half.
Is this a real person?
Yeah.
And it's like, that's, and I don't know if it part of her dress was CGI.
So maybe they like cinched her waist.
That would be different, but that would be disturbing.
But yeah, it was really disturbing and it's really unhealthy.
So again, like extremes are always bad.
But I think in general, we should just be promoting healthiness because that's going to make you feel better.
And I mean, as Christians, like, we're called to take care of our bodies as well.
Like, your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit.
So, you know, we got to take care of it.
That's that's a calling that we have.
So I hear you.
Like, they could have done this exact same story with a girl who doesn't look like Ariel from the Little Mermaid.
She's just like a normal person.
With a normal, regular person.
Yeah.
We don't have to make her obese.
And I'm not opposed to kids seeing different body shapes and things.
The human beings are unique in that.
And that's okay.
Like different bodies can be celebrated and we should celebrate people's strengths.
But again, extremes.
Yeah.
And also, it's another good point that you made earlier, which is like, this is a child.
Like when you see a child who actually is that thick, it's like there's something wrong.
Yeah.
You can gain thickness as you go through puberty and get older and you're an adult, but like a child should probably be on like a normal weight.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
They should be able to run around.
Yeah.
Anyway, so now we have a couple tips on how to ditch the toxic toxic body image mindset that you were talking about.
Just ditch your body altogether, am I right?
Focus On Health00:04:49
Yeah.
I've never felt better.
I'm light as air.
What a load of anyway.
These are actually some fruitful, fruitful points that this author makes.
And it's, I didn't think about this before, but the diet culture of the 2000s, like that is what impacted us growing up.
And I never really thought about it, but it's really just our generation who's screwed up by eating disorders and like body.
Well, now the kids are messed up from like trans yeah, which is arguably.
Well, I don't know if it's yeah, it's worse.
It's worse.
Yeah.
You're sterilizing children.
But okay.
Yeah.
So let's maybe take the so stop criticizing yourself in front of the mirror.
That's a tough one, but it's an important one.
But it's tough.
And I think also just looking at yourself in the mirror less because like you're going to, you're going to create problems.
That's it right there.
You know?
And by the way, I'm very guilty of this.
Yes, yes.
And when I was in high school, I spent so much time staring at myself in the mirror.
It was really detrimental to my mental health.
Yeah, it's not good for you.
It's terrible.
And then like looking at like those like tiger beat magazines and like, oh, Selena Gomez or whatever, whoever the heck.
And like, oh, I don't look like her.
Like, first of all, she's probably starving herself to death.
She's got makeup on.
She's got filters on.
She probably is struggling a ton.
Exactly.
And I'm sitting in there in my residence room like being like eating cookies, being like, I'm so gross.
And the lighting's like prison.
Yeah, it's prison.
It's prison.
It literally was prison.
It's literally.
Yeah.
Okay.
Got the second one here.
Avoid fad diets.
Yikes.
That was all the rage.
That was all the rage back in the day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean, it makes restricting yourself from certain foods, the article says, might sound like a quick and easy way to lose weight, but all it really does is make you binge on unhealthy foods when you're done, which means once you slip up, you will gain all the weight back, if not more.
Yeah.
Because, you know, it just makes sense.
And we've talked about this on last week's episode as well.
It's not healthy.
No, it's not.
So eat a balanced diet.
Everything in moderation.
Like a fad diet could also be anything like eating, disordered eating in any way.
Yeah.
I starved myself all day.
We talked about this last week.
And then go home and eat ice cream.
Any binge, yeah.
Terrible, terrible for you.
And I've never been fatter.
Yeah.
And hungrier.
Yeah.
Ironically.
It's a lose-lose.
It's a lose-lose.
Stop comparing yourself to others.
Also, super hard, but super important.
It's so hard.
And I think it's important just to remember, like, just because you look like you, like, Kat and I look very different.
Okay.
But that's.
Well, today we were pretty.
Today we're the same.
Yeah.
But that doesn't mean like one of us is less pretty than the other.
Although look at her.
Look at those filtering headlines.
But I'm just saying.
You don't have to be pretty like Kat.
You're pretty like you.
Okay.
No one's as pretty as Katie.
We all look.
It's true.
Yes.
Don't compare yourself to me, guys.
No.
No.
We all look at so many beautiful faces online all the time.
And we've talked about this before, too.
Half of those are literal filters.
Like I'm on this Reddit subreddit called Instagram versus Reality.
And even myself as a 33-year-old woman who knows better, who knows about filters and all of that stuff is still like, oh my God, they're perfect.
They have filters on videos now.
So you're like, no, it's real.
It's a video.
New.
No.
They can literally smooth your skin, make your breast bigger, make your waist smaller, make your nose smaller, make your lips bigger.
In a video, they can put makeup on you.
They can put makeup on you.
Yeah.
So it looks real.
My head.
There we go.
Got to fix our heads.
You know what?
I got a couple bangs sneaking in there.
Let's just adjust.
Okay.
Quick head adjustment.
But you know, a great example is like Jennifer Lawrence, Margo Robbie, and Zendaya, all beautiful, all look completely different.
So, you know, they're all, people are very good at hiding their insecurities in public settings.
Everyone struggles.
Okay.
You're not alone.
Yeah.
You're not.
Unless you're just super ugly.
I'm just kidding.
And then call your surgeon.
You're made in God's image.
You're beautiful.
Okay.
Okay.
You can have a beautiful personality.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
We got one more here.
Yes, we do.
Focus on health over weight loss.
Do I have that one?
I don't know, but it's.
It's right here.
Oh, on the same, yes, the list.
Sorry.
Yes.
I have it.
It's focus on health over weight loss.
I said it.
I said it.
She said it.
Okay.
Stop weighing yourself.
Yes.
And just all about balance.
Getting rid of your scale.
Yeah.
That's one thing that being pregnant has been very traumatic for me.
And it's in the most vain way possible.
It's because every time I go to the doctor or the midwife, they make me get on the scale.
And every time I've gained like 20 pounds, and it's really distressing.
But before that, I never went on a scale.
Yeah.
Because I was like, I look great.
I feel great.
I'm fine.
But now it's like, gotta weigh you.
Ooh, you should only weigh this much.
And it's like, get off my back.
Yeah, leave her alone.
Leave me alone.
I'm just ahead.
Yeah, she's literally just as light as she's like.
Couldn't be any lighter.
Couldn't be any lighter.
So don't weigh yourself.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay, moving on.
Yeah.
We're going to talk about masculinity because Nat and I know so much about it.
I'm very masculine.
We are extremely masculine and experts on the topic.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So I don't even know how to say her name.
Bunchin.
I don't know.
Masculinity And Career Choices00:06:52
I mean, Giselle Bunchen files for divorce from Tom Brady, both officially single.
Guys, this is such a bummer.
Yeah, I'm a huge bummer.
They began dating in 2006.
They got married in 2009 and they have two kids together, Benjamin and Vivian.
And they've become one of the biggest power couples in Hollywood.
They're such a power couple.
They really are.
This is a hard one for me to choke.
I don't even care about either of them individually.
Together, though.
Together, they were.
15 years of marriage.
Yeah.
And now they're just throwing it away.
Yeah.
Why?
Well, I mean, who knows?
But apparently, it's because apparently she wanted him to retire and he did.
And then he came back like two months later.
And then she's like, you know, he said you would retire.
There's lots of thoughts on this.
So she's obviously been a very, she's literally been the model wife, literally.
Literally.
And figuratively.
Literally.
Like literally, I guess it's just literal.
She gave up her modeling career so he could pursue his dream of being the greatest of all time, which he's achieved, and to raise their beautiful family.
So props to her.
But basically, she just wanted him to be a more present and stable and consistent member of the family.
And he made this promise to her that he was going to retire.
And then because he has such an ego, in my opinion, he failed his wife and he let her down.
And I don't know.
I think he really dropped the ball as a man here.
That's why I think this is under the masculinity banner.
He put himself first.
Like, I just, you've already achieved everything.
And now you can't let your wife.
Especially because you're past the prime age for being an athlete.
Like, you've done it.
You've won how many?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Multiple Super Bowls.
He's 45 years old.
You know, you could take, you have, like, his net worth is like $30 million.
Hers is $400.
Sorry, $300 million.
$330 million.
$330 million.
Hers is like $400 million, which is crazy.
Also, side note, the fact that she gave up her career and still has more money than him.
Yeah.
I mean, it's cool, but it's also like he actually, he like literally works so hard.
Yeah, he works incredibly.
And he has to, and he actually has to perform where she's just like, I'm hot.
Like those gene commercials I did in the 90s, they're still running.
You got to say.
I got to say, props to you.
She figured it out.
She figured it out and she's gorgeous.
But I don't like this article about the selfishness of conventional masculinity so much because while I agree with what you just said in his exact, like in his instance, they're trying to like, they're trying to make it.
So the masculinity as a whole.
Yeah, it's a targeted attempt to discredit any man.
And I'm pretty sure because this was written by a man.
Yes.
I'm pretty sure he's just trying to cope with his own incident.
Yeah, I mean, he's comparing himself to Tom Brady.
Yeah.
And he's, you ain't Tom Brady.
You work at BuzzFeed.
Exactly.
But so here's a quote from that article that he wrote.
In a typical heteronormative partnership, a man who channels all his energy into professional work denies that freedom of ambition to the woman who is left to handle all the unpaid labor he ignores, an act of selfishness cloaked in proclamations of selflessness.
So I totally disagree with this because like he's saying basically that if a man makes enough money and he's successful enough, he's forcing his wife to not have a career of her own and to just support the family, which is like, first of all, she could also have a career and they could hire people to do a lot of that stuff.
Now, you can't replace parenting.
That's one thing that you can't replace.
So both of them would have, like, to be good parents, both of them would have to give up a little bit of their career to focus on their children.
And probably Tom Brady wasn't doing that part.
So yes.
Yeah.
In that one specific point.
But as if Giselle is on the ground scrubbing the floors, like nine to five, like working her butt off doing laundry.
Like she has people for that.
She was mothering, and I respect that.
And the kids need a father, and he probably dropped the ball there.
But like, he's saying, oh, like all of the, all the traditional unpaid labor.
First of all, she has $400 million.
Yeah.
Second of all, they have people to do all that labor and they're paying people to do it.
So it's like, that's a terrible analogy.
And I think that certain marriages, the husband makes the money, the woman does the chores.
And that's something people agree.
No, it's true.
Before marriage.
I think the problem is he made a promise to her that he was going to stop putting his career first, which he should, by the way.
And I think that she probably feels a bit duped in a way.
And it's kind of like one of the things that this writer in this article says that I do agree with, because I am on the same page as you, is that for many men like Brady, stepping away from work can be intimidating.
When you define yourself through your professional status, give all of yourself to the enterprise.
What is there left to come back to?
Because he's giving up his beautiful wife and kids to pursue what?
Like you're already the greatest of all time.
Now you're going to come home and what?
Nothing?
Saying that all to like that's what men say.
They do all that for their families.
Yeah.
And now you're literally.
So what are you doing it for now?
You're doing it for yourself now.
It just seems really egotistical to me.
Like he's old.
He's really old.
And success doesn't mean anything if you don't have anyone to share it with.
Exactly.
And he could retire next year and then go home to an empty hose.
Like, yes, he'll have another beautiful model girlfriend, but his family, his family of 14 years and his children won't be there.
Yeah.
And Thomas, St. Thomas Aquinas said, paraphrasing this, it's basically the problem with Western men in 2022 is that the unwillingness of a man to put aside pleasure in order to pursue what is difficult is the definition of effeminacy.
And I think that's he just, he's just putting himself first.
And it's, I understand it must be very difficult for someone who's been dedicated to their craft for decades to give it up all of a sudden.
I understand that.
But you lean on your family.
Yeah.
Like your family should be there to support you through that.
Exactly.
And I'm sure that football is his DNA.
But that doesn't mean you have to give it up fully.
You can coach.
You can start a charity.
You can commentate.
There are so many options for you.
Your life isn't ending.
Your life is just beginning because you're about to enter this new chapter.
And your kids are still young enough.
And it's just, I just think he dropped the ball.
And he's setting a terrible example for his children, too.
He fumbled on this one.
Oh!
And yeah, setting a terrible example.
And again, I'm totally, I agree with you on the Giselle stuff.
It's not like her life was so hard, but she did sacrifice a little bit of her life.
I just meant in terms of the actual.
I'm terrified.
That's terrifying.
Okay.
I just meant in terms of housework particularly, because this guy's talking about that.
And it's like, bro, maybe for some people, but like to even for them, my point was like, no man is forcing any woman to do housework because he's so rich.
It's like a woman can be like, stop right there.
I'm a doctor or I'm a lawyer or I'm a commentator and I love my job.
Like we can hire a nanny.
He slicked in our heads.
Sorry, sorry.
Setting a Terrible Example00:04:19
Yes.
Like we can hire someone to clean the floors.
Like we can hire someone to drive the kids to school.
Obviously, you're going to miss out on crucial parenting the more you pay someone to do stuff for your house.
But cleaning, give me a break.
Yeah.
Like all that unpaid labor.
Like, no, give me a break.
Also, you know, she consented to this.
It's like, maybe she's rewarded by the fact that she raised their children.
I don't know.
Maybe she's satisfied.
And it's just she wants, now that her kids are growing up a little more, she wants to take a step away, which a lot of mothers do, by the way.
They stay at home and then they're like, okay, I want to do what I want to do.
Very noble.
And I think that we should be celebrating her rather than blaming the patriarchy.
Yeah.
But again, hopefully this doesn't affect the kids.
And I hope that they can reconcile despite maybe, I don't know.
I know they're filing.
They filed for divorce.
They're legally separated now, but I don't know.
Scott breaking.
It is sad.
It's sad.
It is sad.
Okay.
One last article on this, I think, or is there another one?
I think we got one more.
So this is from, we'll just slam through this.
No real masculinity isn't toxic from EV magazine.
There's some good quotes in here.
I'll just read one.
The American Psychological Association published a paper in August of 2018 that quickly garnered national attention, seeking out guidelines for physiologists dealing with psychologists, sorry, dealing with boys and men.
Though simply publishing this paper, the APA substantiated the idea that men are actually inherently different from women as they point out the unique needs of a man, that a man must be addressed.
Okay, that sounds good.
But then it says, while the paper raises some valid points, the underlying and subjective definition of traditional masculinity appears deeply flawed as it attempts to show that masculine traits are synonymous with toxic masculinity.
You know what's toxic?
Yeah.
Toxic is weak men.
Yeah, exactly.
That's literally what I wrote.
Weak men are toxic.
Men who pursue nothing but pleasure.
I would argue Andrew Tate is somewhat toxic the way he talks about women and you know yeah, that's fake masculinity.
Yeah, that's that's.
That's not a real like.
Do you think that is a good husband and father, exactly like a man of God?
He's not someone you want to bring home to mom and dad and near um.
Yeah, like Jordan Peterson talks about this exact thing that no, no one is more dangerous than like a weak man.
Yeah, because they have nothing to lose, they have no control, they have no ambition, they have nothing to be proud of either, and they're the ones that are the most dangerous in society.
They're the ones who rape women in the streets.
Yeah, they're the ones who drug their schools.
They're the ones that shoot up schools.
Those are the ones that shoot up schools like it's not.
And then you have the opposite man, a true masculine man, who I think I wrote down, um, they're the ones who stand up to weak men.
They're compassionate, they're protectors.
They're protectors like this.
It's toxic to think that a man has to be toxic to be a man.
Yeah, and that's what's toxic.
And obviously there's like such a an effort to blur the definitions of what things actually mean in 2022.
But our society is literally crumbling because of a lack of strong men, and we've talked about this on the show time and time again about fatherlessness and how kids need their dads and, like our, our culture tries to deem biblical masculinity as toxic.
But we, we need.
We need to embrace that again because it's not working out for us so so well right now like, look at our leader, Justin Trudeau is like he's literally a toxic man.
He's so toxic, he's so weak.
No, and they're trying, like exactly, they're trying to vilify traditional masculinity as if it's not what saved us from Hitler, not what built all the bridges in the city and created the fundamental infrastructure that we all used to get around, like the men that you drive by on the highway, who are doing construction on the road.
Those are men yeah, and we're trying to vilify them just for being men.
We're trying to vilify young boys, who might be a little hyperactive because they don't like sit, like girls are particularly better at sitting in class and listening to teachers yeah, than boys are, because they have different skills.
They're a little hyperactive, they need to get their aggression out.
But we say like oh, they're bad, they need to be drugged, they need to be put on this and ss or no, they need to rough it around, they need to have their friends, they need to have something a to live for, to be proud of yeah, and a way to exercise their energy, just like women do as well.
Yeah, so it's just.
I'm so sick of the toxic masculinity thing, like if anything's toxic, it's the Sorry.
It's the vegans, it's the feminine.
Too much soy.
It's the soy that's making you toxic.
It's literally toxic.
Yeah.
It's literally toxic.
Gender Ideology Debate00:08:55
Yeah.
So, um, yeah, you know.
So just go and hug a man.
Go and hug a nice man.
And also, actually, one of the other negative side effects of toxic masculinity in its truest form, we now have biological men parading around as women.
That's toxic.
Nothing more toxic than failed actors like Dylan Mulvaney, who's everyone's favorite trans TikTok, TikToker, who has become famous and garnered tens of millions of views.
He didn't want to be famous before he wasn't dressing.
No, he wasn't.
He definitely wasn't an actor trying to be famous before he transitioned, and now he's had everything he wants just by putting on a dress.
I mean, even got a, even got a sweet interview with President Joe Biden at the White House talking about girlhood because no one can talk about girlhood better than a biological male.
Nobody.
Anyway, that's still intact.
So we got this next article.
So Caitlin Jenner slams trans activist Dylan Mulvaney who called to normalize the bulge.
I just have a question for you.
Can women have a bulge?
You know, there are different types of vaginas, but I'm thinking not in the way that he's talking about.
I thought historically the bulge was attributed to a penis.
Yes.
Having a penis.
Can women, do women have penises?
No, they do not.
Oh, they don't.
They do not.
So sorry.
Thank you for clarifying.
Clarifying.
So there's a quote from Dylan that is disgusting.
What did she say?
Okay.
So Dylan says, he's talking about she got unusual stares from people in public when he, she wore tight clothing and he, she says, oh, I forgot that my crotch doesn't look like other women's crotches sometimes because mine doesn't look like a Barbie pocket.
Squeeze me.
Okay, so first of all, women's downstairs areas don't look like Barbies.
I don't know what he's even like, first of all, you're making it.
You're making a vagina.
Yeah, you're making it sound, you're very, you're being very non-serious about something that should be taken seriously.
And you're like infantilizing women's vaginas.
Which is what this person has done.
I mean, they literally dress up like a little girl.
We've talked about this person on the show time and time again.
But also, like, the fact, like, clearly, this person, like you just said, has never seen a vagina because, like, and fine, he's gay, whatever, whatever.
But now he wants to be a woman.
Yeah, now he wants to be a vagina owner.
Yeah.
But women's vaginas all look different too.
They do.
There's not just, like, oh, I forgot mine is different.
Like, girl, boy, whatever.
Like, they're all, it's a beautiful tapestry of different shapes and colors.
Beautiful.
It's beautiful.
Okay.
Okay.
The point is, is like, you don't know what you're talking about.
So clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
And you're calling it a Barbie pocket, and that's so insulting.
It is, it is.
And this person just minimizes girlhood to things like shopping and screaming and lip gloss and all that thing.
And we, as a woman, I like those things.
I'm proud to fit the stereotype to some degree.
I mean, look at us.
Look at us.
But like, you're not convincing anyone.
Like, you can't expect to gain support from women when you just minimize us down to nothing, like, but superficial things.
It's weird.
Yeah.
So Caitlin Jenner tweeted at, I think this is a senator from Tennessee.
Marsha Blackburn.
Yeah.
So Caitlin Jenner tweeted at Marcia Blackburn.
Thank you for speaking out and having a backbone.
One of the best senators we have.
Let's not normalize any of what this person is doing.
This is absurdity.
Wouldn't you kind of argue, though, that Caitlin Jenner also is part of the problem in normalizing this?
Because I sat down and I thought about it for a minute.
It's a tough one.
And I was like, although I appreciate Caitlin Jenner's views, love Bruce Jenner, huge fan.
RIP.
R.I.P. But I mean, it was the Vanity Fair cover, right?
Where Caitlin Jenner was woman of the year, came out as a woman.
And it's like, since then, it's kind of become much more normal.
I've, I've, before that, I never even really heard about trans people.
And now it's become trendy and cool and glamorous.
So I'm like, I don't know, maybe Caitlin Jenner is part of the problem here.
Maybe.
And maybe Caitlin feels bad about that.
I don't know.
It would be nice for her to say something about it.
Yeah.
One thing I do like about Caitlin Jenner is that at least in, you know, she's 60 or whatever.
She's like 70.
Whatever.
She's old.
She's like, at least she's not dressing like a child.
No, absolutely.
She dresses like a very stately woman, which is appropriate for her age.
Fine.
Yeah, it's true.
She's not being a creepy.
Yeah.
Like Dylan is not a child, although Dylan is much younger.
Dylan is not 10.
No.
So why are you dressing like a 10-year-old girl and talking like a 10-year-old girl?
Like, it's just so disturbing.
It's so disturbing.
And it gets even more disturbing because there's a transgender programmer who designed a game about slaughtering women critical of gender ideology.
Wow.
So that sounds like a toxic.
That's a toxic male right there.
That's pretty toxic.
But you'll never hear that word attributed to this person from the radical left.
So basically, this programmer revealed a conceptual design for a video game centered around slaughtering women that he refers to as gender fascists for being critical of gender ideology.
Imagine if you swapped out the so-called gender fascists with any other person or race group.
This game would be that's that's literally what I said.
Like, would it exist if it wasn't exist if it was about Jews or black people?
It wouldn't, because it'd be literally horrible.
Like it's horrible.
It's horrifying.
Yeah.
Nobody wants that.
No.
So I have thoughts on this as well because I have thoughts on everything.
We all, that's what we do.
We have thoughts.
This is terrifying to me as a woman and as someone who's critical of gender ideology.
I just think it's so thought number one, it's ironic that they use the term gender fascist when they're literally the fascist.
Yeah, they're like they're literally slaughtering people in a game.
It's lit, literally and wanting to maintain female spaces.
That's it.
That's literally all we want.
I don't know.
Side note, I've noticed that there's a trend where they're trying to redefine the word fascism and they're literally trying to add right-wing ideology onto it.
But what fascism is, is an authoritarian, it's usually from a government, but it's an authoritarian line of belief that cannot be messed with whatever whatsoever to the point where your life will be taken if you try to speak out against it.
That's fascism.
So it can come from the right or the left, but this is coming in terms of like these people are literal fascists.
This guy literally wants to murder people.
Now, before I say, continue on that, my second thought is, or is it art?
No.
But like, okay, so Grand Theft Auto.
Yeah.
I don't think video games necessarily lead to violence.
Like, I think.
But this is calling for violence.
Like, this is truly manifesting how this person is internalizing their hate.
And who knows what's next?
It's everything is a slippery slope.
Now what?
This is encouraging and, you know, allow and normalizing this sort of abuse towards women.
I don't know.
You're right.
Grand Theft Auto, probably not inspiring people to go out and steal cars and run over ground.
I think that if you're a well-adjusted human being, you can play a violent video game and not go out and commit violence.
But I think because of how polarizing the times are and how there is such a divide between people who are on, who are pro-trans and against, you know, the erasure of female spaces, I just think there's so much hatred in our society that I think people are angry enough at people like you and I that they would be okay if that's what's scary in the streets.
Yeah, that's to see this happening.
No, I know.
That's why it's scary.
But then at the same, like, so on one side, I'm like, I'm scared this should be shut down.
But then on the other hand, I'm like, but people play Call of Duty, which is, you know, your enemy is this army.
And you're and you're literally slaughtering people.
I just think this is much more pointed.
It is, you know, it is.
I think that's why it's like it's a scale.
It's like, where is the line?
Like, who, who gets to decide where the line is?
Like, I think this is abhorrent.
Yeah.
But also, there's all these other games that I think are fine where it's just that the enemy isn't me, so I'm not bothered by it.
Yeah, but those are clearly fiction for the most part as well.
Well, they're not.
Well, they're based on like real wars a lot of the time.
But you're right.
I think it's military.
It's in the past.
It could be more generalized.
Extrapolated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's where the issues are.
I don't know.
Like, I think it's funny that the people on this side of the aisle, the, the, the, I don't know what we even call these people, the people who call us TERFs, the crazy gender ideologues, yeah, the demented people.
Um, they literally want us dead.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
I think, I think, yes, free speech to an extent, but this is literally hate speech.
This is actually literally hate speech.
Yeah.
So it's like, it's hypocritical, also.
Like, it's just funny.
It's just funny.
Like, the same people who always are calling us, you know, bigots.
Why We Pray For Them00:02:22
Yeah, I know.
That's that's they're literally exactly in a video.
If someone made a video game where you murder trans people, I would be like, that's abhorrent.
Yeah.
Let's not do that.
Yeah.
But you would see a lot of a different reaction.
You would see people shutting that down immediately.
And it just shows, it's, we're just really seeing people's true colors right now.
It's fascinating and frightening all at once.
It's really, it's great.
Yeah.
I'm not sure what the solution is, but don't play this video game.
Play the other game.
And I think don't let these kinds of things discourage you or you know make you afraid because you're pissing them off because deep down, maybe they know you're right or they just need somewhere to place their hate because they're empty inside.
And I don't know.
Pray for these people, I guess.
And pray that we get our bodies back.
Yeah.
Has anyone seen my body?
Hello, producer.
Where's is it back there?
Is there any does Chapa does have it?
I don't know.
I don't know what to say.
Maybe Dylan cut us up and sold our bodies.
Whoever has my body, please feed her.
She's hungry.
Yes.
She's very hungry.
All right.
I think that's the shirt.
That's the shirt.
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