Nat and Kat expose how medical professionals allegedly mislead women—like Megan Traynor, pressured into antidepressants with NICU risks downplayed—while mRNA vaccine traces in breast milk (detected up to 45 hours post-vaccination) were delayed for years. They dismiss NIH-linked menstrual disruptions as stress excuses and question the pill’s synthetic hormones, linking it to blood clots, dementia, and lost autonomy. Surrogacy, exemplified by Chloe Kardashian’s sterile transactional birth, is framed as a betrayal of natural motherhood, while gender identity redefinitions—ignoring biology for self-declaration—threaten female-specific data on rape, cancer, and domestic violence. True feminism, they argue, has been hijacked by media lies like Cosmopolitan, urging biological women to reclaim their rights amid what they predict will be future backlash against current policies. [Automatically generated summary]
Hello and welcome to Misunderstood, the show for the culturally and politically misunderstood lady or gent or non-binary or non-human.
We are your hosts.
I'm Nat and I'm Kat.
This week we're talking about all the lies women have been sold.
Basically, women are getting feminism.
Okay.
We're going to skip the culture shock because we have so there's your culture shock.
That was shocking.
Yeah.
Sorry.
We're just going to dive right in.
Okey-dokey.
So Megan Traynor says nurses implied that her use of antidepressants caused her newborn to be sent to the NICU.
Cute.
So she got engaged in 2017 and they married a year later to her husband Daryl Sibera and they welcomed their first child in February of 2021.
And in an interview with Romper, Megan recently revealed that her pregnancy and birth were anything but easy.
And she was on antidepressants when she was pregnant and her doctor told her that was fine.
It was a mild dose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a low dose and her doctor said it was fine and they'll do that.
And then her baby was sent to the NICU, which is I guess natal sensitive care unit.
Yeah.
And I guess towards the end of her pregnancy, doctors told her the baby was breached and they immediately scheduled a C-section.
So she was told kind of two lies in my opinion because C-sections come with greater risks, but also physicians are actually routinely paid more for a C-section.
So in often times, women actually go and get C-sections that they don't necessarily need.
That is absolutely terrifying and disgusting and horrible.
Right.
Because the thing is, when you're pregnant, I mean, you're going to experience birth soon, but I imagine you're very vulnerable and you want to do whatever is best for your baby.
So if a doctor is pressuring you, like, oh, you've got to get a C-section, but in reality, they're just late for a reservation and they want to make more money.
That's quite manipulative.
That's why I went with a midwife, Matt.
Smart.
Yeah.
Smart.
And I'm taking a hypno-birthing class.
It's going to be great.
It's going to pop that baby right out of there.
It's going to fly right out of you.
So that's the first lie that I think Megan and many women have been sold by doctors.
And I think the second one is the antidepressant thing.
Yeah.
Talk about a lack of informed consent, maybe?
Yes.
So this is something I see all the time on R slash Pregnant on Reddit, where women are routinely like, I mean, on that particular subreddit, women are like, it's fine.
You can have a little wine.
You can have some fish.
You can be on antidepressants.
It's like, maybe some of that is true.
And maybe like, maybe women are a little overly cautious when they're pregnant.
I know I.
That is fair.
Like, I think with your first, you're often like overly cautious.
And we don't know, like, I don't think having a glass of wine is going to kill your kid.
But the general attitude on that, in this like toxic mommy culture is just like, it's fine.
You shouldn't have to change your life too much.
Like, whatever is convenient for you.
So if you're depressed, like you should be, and your doctor says it's okay.
And that's the thing.
Like your doctor says, okay, so it's okay.
But your doctor might also not know your history, not take the time to actually delve into the actual drug.
They might be, they might have like a deal with the pharmaceutical agent that's like, oh, push it on.
Because like, I, well, and the issue are so many.
Yeah.
And the issue with prescription drugs, like antidepressants, is that they're typically a first resort for doctors.
And it just speaks to how doctors in 2022 aren't really, they don't want to cure you.
They want like a customer for life.
And we know big pharma is very keen on that.
But the reason we're kind of tying her newborn going to the NICU to antidepressants is because the nurses kept asking her if she was on antidepressants.
Right.
And all, and obviously she was told that it wouldn't affect her.
But the nurses kind of alluded to the fact that maybe that was the reason her baby wasn't doing it.
Imagine the shock that you've just given birth and there's something wrong with your child and her kid is okay now.
But imagine the shock of like, okay, we have to take him to the intensive care unit and do all these things to him.
And it's not, it's, you know, touch and go.
And then they're like, did you take any prescription drugs?
And you're like, yeah, but my doctor said it's fine.
Like imagine the feeling, the guilt and the distrust that you would feel in that moment where it's like, I was told it's okay.
And like, thank God her baby's okay.
But what if he wasn't?
Yeah.
And that's the, that's the medical profession's fault.
Like, you know, it's medical professionals' fault.
And I just think it means we can't take anything that our medical professionals say at face value in 2022.
We need to do our own research.
And that's so sad that we can't trust these people who are in positions of authority.
Well, speaking of which, they recently found that the mRNA vaccine transfers from breastfeeding women's breast milk into the baby, which is something that, again, women were gaslit and lied to the entire time.
We were told pregnant women should get the vaccine, breastfeeding women should get the vaccine.
And now there are studies coming out.
Here is the results of this study.
It says of 11 lactating individuals enrolled lactating individuals.
Yes, lactating individuals, because, you know, men can do that too.
For sure.
For sure.
I know plenty of men who lactate.
Trace amounts of the mRNA vaccine were detected in seven samples from five different participants at various times up to 45 hours post-vaccination.
Yeah.
So they go on to say, we believe it is safe to breastfeed after maternal COVID-19 vaccination.
However, caution is warranted about breastfeeding children younger than six months in the first 48 hours.
Why is it under six months only?
I'm sorry, who is breastfeeding over six months?
I think a lot of people do, actually.
I have a lot to learn.
No, I think a lot of people do for a while longer than that.
But I mean, I don't know, every mom's different.
But why, what?
So suddenly after they're six months and one day old, it's different.
It's different.
Like, I don't understand that.
I think like as your baby gets older and older, you start introducing, again, I need to learn.
I haven't taken my baby class yet.
It just seems introducing food like definitely before a year.
It just seems like random to me, though.
It's definitely random.
And it's also like the most vulnerable time that a child would need breast milk is when they're newborn.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Because they're literally can't have anything else.
They're going bear bear.
And according to Daily Wire, the Journal of American Medical Association released this study to the public and has issued a warning for women breastfeeding infants.
So they're saying caution is warranted regarding breastfeeding infants younger than six months in the first two days after maternal COVID-19 vaccination.
And it's like a little too late.
Yeah.
It's a little too late for this study.
You've been lying to us for two years now.
Yeah.
Well, I guess the vaccine hadn't rolled out for the first year and a bit.
At least a year, you've been lying to everyone and telling them that they absolutely should not question this at all, whether they're pregnant or breastfeeding, and that it can't affect their child.
And now we find that it can.
Yeah, it's just such an abusive power because as we already mentioned, pregnant people are vulnerable and hormonal and the pressure, like the pressure for these women to get the COVID-19 vaccine, not only to protect themselves, but their baby.
Like there is such an amount of pressure and it's just so evil and it's so manipulative because these poor women who maybe didn't want to get it did and now it may have negative implications on their child's health.
It's like you should get the vaccine because it'll help your baby.
And now they're like, well, maybe you shouldn't have had that vaccine because it might hurt your baby.
It's like, too late, babe.
Yeah.
Too late.
Yeah.
But that leads into their next story.
COVID-19 vaccines linked to temporary changes in menstrual cycle.
New study confirms.
Breaking news.
Color me shocked.
Yeah.
This, okay, Nat, how many girls do you know who took the vaccine that got changes in their menstrual cycle?
I mean, Gabriel Finocchio, who is like a, he owns an app called Theos U, he was kicked off Instagram for literally just sharing women's testimonies about how the COVID-19 vaccine periods.
Yeah, I know several women who were like, oh, yeah, my period was messed up, but I did that.
Yeah, it's fine.
But it's just because of stress or something.
So that's what they said.
The study conducted by the U.S.-based National Institute of Health found that the increase in cycle length resolved for most of the nearly 20,000 study participants following vaccination.
And I wonder if any women who were gaslit about this in the past are going to get an apology from the mainstream media.
Do you think they will?
No.
No, they won't.
And also, what's crazy how, did you just say most of?
Yeah.
Like most of the women in the study had changes in their menstrual cycle.
And we've talked about this before, but when, as a woman, your menstrual cycle is a perfect indication of your health.
Yeah.
And, well, it's not perfect, I guess, but it's a really good, it's a really good indication of your health.
So when you're a healthy woman and your menstrual cycle changes all of a sudden, you go to the doctor because you're like, there could be something off.
You could have a cyst, you could have, it could be anything like super loss or weight loss, stress.
Like I was on the pill and I stopped getting mine for a while.
So I switched pills and I still didn't feel right.
So I got off the pill.
But it's like that is an indication that something's changed in your body and you need to look into it.
But they're like, oh, no, you're fine.
Like they literally said, CTV wrote an article in 2021.
Women's health and immunology experts are hesitant to say if menstrual changes are a result of the COVID-19 vaccine until further research is conducted, which it now has, but noted that added stress of the pandemic may contribute to shifts in one's menstrual cycles.
Sure.
Stress might cause what a convenient thing that you're saying.
Like, if let's just say the sample size is 20,000, like it is in that study, 20, like let's say 18,000 of those women or 15,000 of those women have changes and they're like, oh, you're all stressed from the pandemic.
I don't think so, sweetheart.
It's a bit of a cop-out.
And I think the real issue with all this new data coming out is that it proves that the jabs are experimental.
And the women who took the jab are now seeing the implications of that.
And it's like, it's so unfair.
Like, they are the experiments.
And it's gaslighting.
It's gaslighting.
Yeah.
It's, and it's, it's just abusive.
It's just abusive.
I don't know.
No, it's fine.
Because they can tell you at the time that it's perfectly safe to take it.
And then they can, a year later, an article will come out or a study come out.
I'm like, well, maybe it's like those women already took it.
Yeah.
So what are they supposed to do?
Yeah.
Nothing.
Yeah.
And obviously our menstrual cycle represents a woman's fertility.
So what is this down the road?
And down the road, we don't know yet how this is going to affect a woman's fertility.
And they don't either.
And they don't either.
And it's just so unfair.
It's so unfair that we're taking away, we talk about reproductive health, all these progressive raw rawing about reproductive health.
Well, this, this is a violation of that.
They literally call it reproductive rights.
Yeah.
Like this is this is your right to reproduce is being taken away actively by doctors who don't know.
Like they could have said, here's a vaccine.
You should take it if you are this and this and this and this, susceptible to COVID.
Just note that we don't have, they don't have to say it will kill your period.
It will make you infertile.
We're not saying that.
We're just saying they didn't know.
So they could have said, we don't know what the effects will be on your fertility.
But instead they were like, it's safe.
It's a faith.
It's fine.
You won't get COVID if you take it.
Yeah.
But that's none of that turned out to be true.
And I mean, we'll move on, but like one of the other issues.
No, we won't.
But so now new news is coming out about some of the negative effects and adverse reactions.
And this is only like a year after the vaccine passports rolled out.
What are we going to discover five years down the road, 10 years down the road, 20 years?
Like we have no idea of these women who were breastfeeding and getting the vaccine.
Or like someone who, yeah, got the vaccine when she was pregnant.
Like we have no idea.
And it's so ridiculous.
It's so ridiculous.
And like, I really hope that there's justice for all the governments who forced this on people, who pressured people, because it's so evil to experiment on people.
It's just, you're experimenting on people.
Yep.
While lying to them.
Cool.
Great.
Okay, next.
Well, another lie.
Speaking of more lies, lies in the middle of the team.
All right.
This article is called Why I'm the Only OBGYN who's not prescribing the birth control pill.
I mentioned my own anecdotal evidence earlier that when I was on the pill, I stopped getting my period.
I lost a ton of weight.
I was moody, switched pills.
I got kind of depressed when I went on the pill for the first time.
Like I was just like raging and I was not great to be around.
I was like, I'm just shrink like three sizes.
Yeah.
Which is like the opposite of what's supposed to happen.
It's the opposite of what a woman wants.
So apparently there's actually not a drop of natural hormones found in any of in any brand of birth control pill.
So rather than containing natural hormones, they're synthetic versions of endogenous estradiol and progesterone.
And Mother Nature has never seen any of, sorry, has never seen these at any time in human evolution.
So they're basically pseudo hormones, which obviously interfere with the woman's key function and her ability to have a natural hormone production.
Yeah.
So I think that when we're sold the pill, we're told that they're naturally occurring hormones in your body.
that you're just like i think people don't question it at all no of course not Because again, like I, when I was on the, I was like 19 and I was at the University of Western Ontario clinic.
Like the, what I just handed it out.
And they're just like, here you go.
You need to be on the pill.
You're not on the pill.
You need to be on the pill.
And it was like lollipops.
Okay.
Like, okay, I guess.
And I guess it's sold to us in that it can prevent pregnancy.
And that's why people change.
Sure.
And I think that if you want to be sexually active and not resort to having an abortion or you're not ready for kids, like that's a good option for you.
But you should just know the risk.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Informed consent.
You should just know the risks and you might experience certain side effects and you should be told those things.
Yeah.
So some of the side effects include blood clots, depression, and suicidal thoughts, hypertensive potential effects years down the line can also manifest, including irritable bowel syndrome, autoimmune diseases, osteoporosis, heart disease, diabetes, insulin resistance, kidney disease, poor vaginal health, and even dementia.
Oh.
Those are all pretty serious.
I mean, at least if you get the dementia, you'll forget about all the other problems.
That would be great.
Silver lining, I guess.
Yeah.
So that's great.
Yeah.
And I mean, birth control kind of is interesting too to think about because although it is a way for women to prevent pregnancy, which can be seen as empowering, it's also something that empowers men because it basically absolves them from personal responsibility, much like an abortion.
So I don't know.
There are pros and cons to that as well.
Like, is it really for women?
I know, you know, that when a girl says to a guy, oh, I'm on the pill, he doesn't maybe feel the need to wear a condom or whatever.
And she should have a say in that.
But sometimes men will just like take it off if they think that there's no chance of pregnancy.
Pros and Cons Sus00:05:04
And it's like, that's not empowering for women at all.
Well, not to mention it incentivizes cheating.
Like if you, if a man or a woman, like if a man's married and he's like, well, I can't knock up my mistress, so I'm just going to go to town.
Like, I mean, have you ever seen mad men?
That's when the pill was first introduced and around that time in the 1960s.
So just seems a little sus to me.
It is sus.
It is sus.
But obviously, we're not saying you shouldn't be on the pill.
Everyone's body is different.
My body did not like it.
Some women live on the pill for years and years and then they come off it and then they have children and fertility.
Oh, exactly.
And that's cool.
And it is one of the things that allowed women to have more choice and autonomy and control and time over their sexual reproduction and their fertility.
That's cool.
I think definitely not anti-contraceptive, especially because it's way better than an abortion.
Yes.
It's better than having a kid that you can't take care of.
But it's just interesting that our society never tries to offer alternatives because there are other ways to track your cycle and to prevent pregnancy.
Exactly.
We've talked about them in a previous episode.
much like the vaccines like doctors are just so quick to prescribe drugs to people and it's like especially young vulnerable women Exactly.
And it's like, okay, so a lot of the times they sell it to women like, oh, this will cure your acne or help you with PCOS and stuff like that.
But having like a healthy diet and exercise and there are other alternatives to treating those sorts of issues.
So it's like, why aren't our doctors trying to push for healthy alternatives rather than just giving them a pill and hoping it solves all their problems?
I just, I think it's icky.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Okay, moving on.
Okay.
Here's a fun article.
This one is just for fun.
It's from The Atlantic.
It's called The Best Skin Care is Being Rich.
And it sounds like it's from the onion or something, but it's not.
And it's true.
It's so true.
This quick quote here.
Celebrities wouldn't be as distractingly beautiful without dermatologists, estheticians, and the women behind the beauty counters at Bergdorf Gordman.
Goodman, sorry.
You can drink as much water and wear as much sunscreen as you want, but the most effective skincare trick is being rich.
Yeah.
It's funny because the article also says like general wisdom of skincare has two simple steps.
Do healthy things, wash your face, avoid the sun, stay hydrated, wear sunscreen, and get plenty of sleep.
Step two, apply the right goop to your face in the form of creams and serums.
If you find the right product and live the skincare lifestyle, no alcohol, no dairy, don't enjoy anything, then you'll be rewarded with the glow of the youthful and righteous.
Yeah, I know.
But it's like, or you could just have an exorbitant amount of wealth and just spend it at the dermatologist.
And this is a lie that's sold to women, I think, in two parts.
Number one, because celebrities are always like, oh, it's just I drink a lot of water and that's why my skin is so beautiful.
It's a little mascara.
And then number two, the way for us to achieve beauty much like they have is to spend loads and loads of money.
So it's like the self-love movement is so expensive.
Yeah.
It's so expensive.
I've mentioned this before.
Those little fridges.
Yeah.
I want one, but me too.
It's a side point.
But they're like, oh, you need this little fridge to put beside your bed for your night cream.
And it's like, do I?
Do I need that?
Do I need it?
Do I need that?
Yes, you do, but still.
But the point is, is it's not going to make me feel as beautiful as the women that I see on Instagram who have tons of money to spend.
And those women don't even feel that beautiful because they're still filtering the heck out of their faces.
And I think it's never enough.
That's the point.
Like instead of us regular 99%ers comparing ourselves to the fake filtered versions of the 1% that we see, we should just try and be comfortable in our skin and do the things like get, well, I don't think we should avoid sun.
No.
But we should drink lots of water, eat a healthy diet, like exercise.
Exercise.
I, like, when I'm not pregnant, do enjoy alcohol once in a while.
So I wouldn't say avoid it all altogether.
No, but your skin will be better in moderation.
Exactly.
Your skin will be better if you eat less sugar, if you drink less alcohol, but live your lives because you're not going to have that perfect glass skin that you see on Instagram.
First of all, it's filtered.
Second of all, they're rich.
So let's not compare ourselves to those people.
Yeah.
And again, like, this is another lie that's sold to women because we're always told we just got to love ourselves more.
Just buy this.
Just do that.
Just love yourself, but also buy this stuff.
Exactly.
And it's like, we should not, as you just said, compare ourselves to these people who have endless resources and money.
And it's like, you know, time.
And then it's even more of a slap in the face to us normal folk when these celebrities sell skincare products to us that we know they're not using.
Like Kim Kardashian is not using her stupid skincare line, her overpriced skincare line.
Like she's not.
So don't listen to these people.
Learn about your own body.
Yeah.
And live your life.
Is that Sarah V survey?
Sarah V?
Survey.
Sarah V?
It's great.
It's dermatologist recommended, drugstore brand.
It's great.
And look at her skin.
She's literally growing.
It's like 11 glow.
$11 for a cleanser.
Right.
You don't need millions of dollars.
She's like an angel.
Yeah.
Well, it's pregnant too.
Pregnancy does that too.
So also just get pregnant.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Defining Submissiveness00:10:03
Moving on.
How modern day feminism fails to be pro-woman.
So modern feminism fails to be pro-women because it brushes off those who don't believe that smashing the patriarchy or breaking socially constructed gender roles will solve our problems.
Yeah.
Then they go on to say that character trumps gender.
Men can be jerks, women can be witches, et cetera, et cetera.
And then that goes on to say, modern feminism also fails to be pro-women in that virtues such as piety, purity, domesticity, and submissiveness are scorned, snubbed, and degraded.
So basically, it's targeting all you Christian women, really.
I wanted, so I totally agree with this article in general.
I just like the part that you just talked about: piety, purity, domesticity, and submissiveness.
I don't like personally think you should be submissive to anyone but God.
Well, you're actually called in the Bible to submit to your husband in the new time.
But have you looked up the definition of submissive?
Because it's literally giving power to someone else over your life.
So, like, well, when you're married, though, you become one anyway.
Yes.
And you should be aware of that.
That is submissive.
I guess, but it's sort of like the actual definition of submissive is literally like you give someone else power over you.
I think in terms of giving that to God, sure.
And like, my husband and I, like, he takes the lead on many things, but there's things that he will take my advice for.
Oh, yeah, no, like, it's like.
Well, it's still, you're still in a relationship.
Yeah, like, I think that you could take it too far where you're like, yeah.
Where you're like in a sub-dom situation where you're like, yes, master, like, that would not be biblical.
That would be dumb.
Yeah, fair enough.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
But I agree with you.
Like, that is a big word, but and it's a, and it's a loaded word.
People get really upset by it.
And I wanted to see the definition because I'm like, well, maybe it's not as bad.
The definition is pretty hard.
In the biblical sense, it's just like, like, men are called to love their wives.
Women are called to respect their husbands and submit to their husbands, as in like the way you would submit to God.
Okay.
Yeah.
But I feel like that should be more mutual.
Maybe I'm a raging feminist, but it's like, I'm not going to just be like, oh, whatever you think.
Well, I think you should still think critically, and you're obviously going to look out for yourself.
Like, you, at the end of the day, all you have is you.
Yeah.
Or like what I think is best for the family.
It's like, if he says, no, we're doing it this way.
And I have, if I'm like, I'm not going to be a daughter.
That's not dictatorship.
Yeah.
Like, I don't actually think that maybe you don't have all the facts here.
Like, I don't, I'm not going to be rude or like snarky about it, but it's like, maybe we should rethink this.
And then, like, if you were truly submissive, maybe, and maybe it's not actually being truly submissive in a biblical sense, but maybe if you misinterpreted that, you'd be like, well, I might have a better idea, but he knows best because he's the man.
It's like, maybe he doesn't, girl.
Maybe he doesn't.
No, I agree.
Give him your two cents.
I mean, I'm, this is one of the things where I continue to fall short as a wife because I am so stubborn.
So, I mean, I'm not, I'm not here pointing fingers at anyone.
I just am saying that's what the Bible says.
And I think there's nuance to this.
Yes, for sure.
Obviously.
And I think that's why people get upset at the Bible because they're like, oh, obey your husband.
Yeah.
There are.
But you're, but your husband's also called to love you the way Jesus loves you.
And Jesus literally died for you.
So that's actually a heavier burden to carry.
Like, that's actually theirs is a little harder.
Thanks, babe.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do better, men.
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
But yeah, I agree with you.
I just think what the issue is with feminism, which we've talked about like countlessly, is that women just should just be allowed to have a choice of what kind of woman they want to be.
Like if you want to stay at home, we should respect that.
Like there are all these feminists claim to be pro-choice, except for when it comes to women choosing to be a mom.
Yeah, or anything that's domestic or feminine at all.
It's like you're submitting to some male like thing.
It's like, no, actually, I want to do that.
And that's what I choose to do.
Exactly.
And that's empowering because you're choosing that life for yourself.
That means you'll be good at it and you'll be happy doing it.
Obviously, if you live in a culture where like in Iran, where it's like, you literally can't get a job.
You can't go to university.
You can't be a member of parliament or whatever it is.
That's not empowering.
That's not choice.
But in here in Canada, we do enjoy so much power and choice, but you're always pressured, like Nat just said, to choose career, to choose to be the taxpayer, to choose to be the cutthroat businesswoman.
It's like, why is it not okay to choose to be a domestic woman?
Yeah, I completely agree.
And it kind of speaks to the fact that feminism is trying to erase femininity in a way because it's like, that's in our nature.
A lot of women just feel a calling and pulled to that because it's just who they are because that's the way God made us.
And again, there's nuance there.
Like everyone's different.
Women feel absolutely like our next author that we're going to talk about, Megan Murphy, like in this article here, No Women Can't Have It All, she talks about like her personal choice was not to have children.
Yeah, and she's content.
She's content.
She's like, I don't know how old she is, but she's like, I don't want to have children.
I never did.
I feel the same way as I did when I was 18.
But women who do want to have children, you're told constantly that you can put it off, put your career first.
You have all the time in the world.
You have all the time in the world.
You can get IVF.
You can use a surrogate.
You can basically cheat science and cheat mother and God and play God when her point is, no, you cannot.
You can't have it all.
If you want to have children and be a mother, you have to prioritize that and you should do it when you still have time.
And for women who don't want to, that's cool too.
Like, I think that's a choice that women should make for themselves because if you force women to all be mothers, you're going to have a lot of bad mothers, a lot of resentful women out there.
So you don't want to do that.
No, there's beauty and choice in that regard.
And a woman who really truly wants to be a mom is going to be the best mom.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's, yeah, so she basically says you can't wait until the most convenient time for you and guarantee you will still be able to produce a child.
And it's funny because society tells us the exact opposite.
They're saying, oh, no, you can wait and then it's all going to come together with a nice bow and life is going to be exactly as you've always dreamed of.
And it's like, well, no, because first of all, like you can have babies much later in life, but having a baby in your 40s comes with many complications, actually.
And it may not even happen because we don't have infinite eggs.
No.
We don't even have infinite eggs.
We're going to fix your eggs.
We've talked about this before as well.
There's no guarantee that your eggs are going to be viable and that your kid's going to be healthy when they're grown up.
I wrote so many on the eggs thing.
Here's a quote from her article.
Freezing your eggs will cost you tens of thousands of dollars and offers no guarantee that once you're in your 40s and feeling ready to have kids, you will actually be able to get pregnant.
At that point, the odds are working against you biologically.
Available eggs are not.
The chance of getting pregnant past 40 are low.
Miscarriage becomes a higher risk and complications for you and the fetus become more likely.
So there you go.
But we're constantly told, like, don't worry about that.
Like, you literally can play God.
We saw in the picture on the front of her article here is Chloe Kardashian, who's approaching 40, I would think.
Yeah.
Who just bought a baby.
Yeah.
And she, like, Megan talks about the whole process.
We've talked about this on the show before, too.
And one of the things that's interesting about surrogacy specifically is that a lot of times Hollywood people use it out of convenience.
And it's like, obviously, there are instances where some women cannot have kids, whatever.
They want to have a surrogate.
We've talked about the ethics of this before.
We're not here to condemn you.
I just think when you're doing it because you have the money and you don't want to ruin your body.
You don't want to ruin your body.
You don't have the time to make love with your husband or you're not in a stable enough relationship.
I've never read an article that was like, Priyanka Chopra.
You can't find the time to have sex, but you can have the time to have your baby.
And it's interesting.
You can raise your child.
Because so this baby that was born for Chloe via surrogacy.
And during the first episode of the Kardashian second season of the show, the family seems concerned about Chloe and she seemed detached from the process as though they're unaware that she's literally detached from the process.
And that's one of the issues with surrogacy.
And Megan Murphy has a really beautiful quote about this too, if you don't mind me reading it.
The situation would be a dark one for any woman because she was also cheated on by Tristan Thompson.
But the thing is, she wasn't pregnant and she wasn't having a baby.
Another woman went through a pregnancy and had a baby.
That woman is erased in order for Chloe and her family to maintain their delusion that somehow implanting an egg inside another human, then paying that woman for the right to take the baby she gestated and birthed from her equates to Chloe having a baby.
Yeah, because that's how Chloe was talking about it.
She said, I'm having a baby.
It's like, no, you're not.
You're buying a baby.
And it's so sterile.
And it's like, your baby is a transaction.
And like in the picture, there's no skin contact between her baby and her.
Like, that's the most, as soon as your baby's born, they put it on you.
Exactly.
Well, and it's interesting because I actually watched this scene and this woman gives birth to the baby that she's carried for nine months and then right away out of the mom's womb, hand it to Chloe.
And it's like, I understand that it's Chloe's genetics and I'm sure she loves her baby, but Chloe's a perfect stranger to this child.
And I just think it's so cruel.
It's sterile.
It's like, it just kind of icks me out.
I don't know.
It's super creepy.
There's no intimacy.
And again, like, no, I'll talk about myself, but like, I, I'm already bonding with my kid.
Like, I feel like I haven't met her yet, but she's in my belly and I can feel her kicking and I talk to her and I can like if I know your voice.
Yeah, exactly.
She knows the vibration of my voice.
And like, if I touch my belly in a certain spot, sometimes she kicks there and it's like, that's so crazy.
And she's like, leave me alone, mom.
Yeah, she's like, get out of my room.
Chloe had none of that.
Yeah.
It's, and she's not even touching the skin to skin.
She's on her phone.
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Yeah.
In the photo.
She has her newborn baby in her hands and she's on her phone.
And the baby's just like, am I a prop?
Yeah.
It's sad.
It's just, it's just cruel and a little, as Megan Murphy says, dystopian in a way.
I mean, that's literally what Handmaid's Tale is about.
Surrogates.
Like they're just a bunch of surrogates, if you haven't seen the show.
So it's like, it's just so sterile.
I don't know.
Yeah.
It's weird.
It's cute.
Anyway, anyways, women can't have it all.
So if you want to have a baby, if you're thinking about having a baby and you're in a stable relationship or marriage, you should just have your baby.
I say the same thing about dogs.
Yeah.
People are like, oh, I wish I had to have a dog.
I was like, you should get a dog.
Just get the dog.
If you want a dog, you should get a dog.
Because I've never once regretted having my dog.
She should be either an angel.
Pepe is the light of my life.
Exactly.
Anyway.
Okay, moving on.
Great.
So this is something we've talked about multiple times on the show.
And it's, you know, the changing concept of woman will cause unintended harms.
I mean, what is a woman?
Yeah, this article is really interesting because the author comes at it from a philosophical point of view.
Because like she talks about like categories of things.
It's like a house cannot be a car.
So she's not even, she's really, really trying not to be transphobic.
She's really not trying to be hateful or whatever.
She's literally just talking about it from a philosophical, categorical point of view.
And she makes such good points.
Yes.
One of the points that she makes is in a superficially comparable case, such as coming out as gay, there is still an underlying factor, sexual orientation, that secures your membership.
It's not just a matter of saying you are gay.
I think that's really interesting because I never thought about it like that.
It's like you can't, like, you have to actually go through the thing.
You have to be gay.
You have to be gay to be gay.
She's like, well, identify as gay, but I'm having heterosexuality.
Yeah, and the same goes, she talks about a person might self-declare that she is transracial, but there's no such thing as being transracial.
There's only thinking falsely that you are.
So it's interesting that we don't accept that.
We accept that a man is a woman because he says so.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
I know.
And I said this on the live stream earlier, and I'll say it again.
It's a little misogynistic for a man because often these things are like there are trans men, of course, but so many of the ways that they're defined, they're changing definitions and they're cheating the system.
They're cheating the system and they're invading on female spaces, et cetera, is happening from when males transition to females.
And it's so misogynistic.
It's literally just like back in the day when women would beat wives and they would own them and you can't do this and that.
It's like, it's the same thing.
We're literally just being erased and stepped on, but because we don't want to, we don't want to hurt the feelings of the trans person now.
It's fine.
Like in 50 years, we're going to look back on this and be like, what were we doing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she also talks about how the category female is important for understanding the particular challenges its members face, such as, as such, these include a heightened vulnerability to rape, sexual assault, voyeurism, and exhibitionism, to sexual harassment, domestic violence, certain cancers, anorexia, self-harm, and so on.
So men don't have to deal with that.
Yeah.
And she, and that last part of that quote is, if self-declared trans women are included in statistics, understandings will be hampered.
And it's true.
Because if you're a woman, but you're not actually a female, like biologically, and you're in this group now and they're like, oh, do you have all these feelings?
And it's like, no, I don't have that.
I don't have ovarian cancer because you don't have any ovaries.
Now the statistics, like we're not talking about feelings here.
Well, and they're talking about statistics and math.
Like exact numbers will be skewed.
And there's no criteria.
Like, what's the criteria for a woman?
Because apparently now it's just self-declaration.
I mean, not all trans people seek surgery or take hormones.
Not all of them even consistently dress or self-adorn as stereotypical feminine, as in a stereotypical feminine or masculine way.
So it's like, what is the criteria?
What does it mean to be a woman?
You know?
We have a lot more to talk about, but we're going to just, there's so many other articles that we read for this episode.
In preparation for this year.
There's a great one from Time written by Christina Hoff Summers from 2014.
There's no way they would let her write that today.
Six feminist myths that will not die.
This other one is from Evie, this former Cosmo writer, dishes on how the magazine lied to sell women feminism.
That's a really interesting one as well.
There's so many lies essentially that have been sold to women in the name of female empowerment.
And I just think it's important for us to think about why, why women are specifically targeted by these sorts of propaganda, I guess.
Because women are constantly, like, this is no different than before the women's rights movement.
It's literally men trampling on women once again.
It's just now they're wearing wigs.
Exactly.
And feminism is dead.
True feminism in its original form is gone.
And it's really unfortunate.
And I don't really know what the solution is.
But we're living in a world that's just so chaotic.
Yeah, we need actual biological women to be strong and stand up for their rights.
And that's actual old school feminism.
So we need to bring back those bras.
Yeah, those old, those bras.
And yeah, don't be afraid of standing up for yourself as a woman because you deserve to take up space as a woman.
Like God created some of us more space.
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There you go.
Like God created male and female, and both genders should be celebrated.
Yes.
I think that's the shirt.
That's the shirt.
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