Hugh Hefner’s 2017 death exposed Playboy’s dark legacy: ex-"bunnies" Holly Madison and Bridget Marcart alleged $1,000 weekly stipends, coerced unprotected sex, and blackmail via photos/videos, while a Secret Life of a Playboy docu-series revived claims of drugging, trafficking, and abuse—though no kidnapping evidence emerged. His grooming tactics (isolation, financial dependence) blur consent lines, mirroring debates in porn and Hollywood, like Steven Crowder’s drag show controversy. Kate Moss dismissed it as "family vibes," but critics argue exploitation persists, whether intentional or not, raising questions about media normalization of sexualization and its impact on vulnerable audiences. [Automatically generated summary]
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And today, this is part two.
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This is part two of our two-part series, and it's actually our dirty 30.
It's the 30th.
Technically 31.
It's technically 31.
But dirty.
But we're wearing the same clothes because we're poor.
Because we have no money.
We're very poor.
So this is how this is what you get.
It's part two of our two-part episode.
And we were just last week talking about Nickelodeon Schneider.
It was a whole week ago, so how could I possibly remember?
Nickelodeon and Dan Schneider and the infantilization of women and that we're doing to ourselves, acting like young girls when we're women.
It's messed up.
But today we're going to be talking about Playboy.
There's been a lot of dirt coming out about specifically Hugh Hefner and Playboy from some of his former bunnies.
Yes.
So before we get into the dirty details, let's just talk about maybe some history.
So actually in the beginning, which was around the 1960s, the bunnies were simply young women who worked as weight staff in Playboy clubs.
So prospective bunnies had to audition in order to get the job.
Bunnies working at Playboy clubs had to abide by some strict rules, and they could immediately be fired for dating other employees or guests.
A bunny mother, which one Playboy Club's 1968 manual describes as a role similar to that of a college advisor, sounds like Elaine a little bit, would be in charge of supervising the bunnies.
In 1963, journalist Gloria Seinem went undercover as a bunny to write an expose.
While Hefner claimed to be a proponent of sexual liberation, Seinem's reporting shone a light on some of the objectification and problematic working conditions the bunnies experienced.
Few bunnies by their original definition exist.
And then you fast forward, today the term bunnies is often used to describe Hefner's girlfriends as well as Playboy Club employees.
His girlfriends reportedly received a weekly stipend of $1,000 in cash along with room and board at the Playboy Mansion, money for breast augmentation and free hair care, according to the New York Times.
So times have changed.
Yeah, and they're also just like straight up like porn stars.
Yeah.
Like nude models.
Nude models.
Yeah.
Let's call it, let's be classy.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sorry.
All right.
So Hugh Hefner obviously is dead.
He died in 2017 of what?
Cat?
Sepsis.
Sorry, what?
Sepsis.
That sounds really sexy.
It's sexy, sepsis.
Sexy and fun.
Okay, so he's dead, but his legacy lives on.
Yes.
And we're a little confused, I think, about what to think about some of these allegations.
And we'll get into a little bit more why later, but let's start with one of the more recent ones that we've seen on the interwebs.
Take it away, Kurt.
Sir.
Kurt.
I'm Kurt.
Okay, so one of these first articles is from the New York Post.
Playboy bunnies fed to hef-like meat in gross hoarder orgy room.
Now, that sounds pretty bad.
It's a really bad.
Like meat.
Meat?
Fed to?
Fed to?
Like the cannibal.
Yes, exactly.
It's not true.
He's not a cannibal.
Yeah, so that we know of.
It's kind of, so there's a lot because some of the things, like, so, okay.
So here is a quote from the article.
It says there was multiple allegations against Hugh Hefner, including, this is the quote, force feeding drugs to women.
Not good.
Subjecting Playboy models to sexual abuse and having sex with a dog.
Now, someone go get that dog.
and give it a hug.
I will adopt it.
Yes.
I will take the dog.
The poor, the poor dog.
But these are allegations.
Again, very, it needs to be said that even though Hugh Hefner is, especially actually because he's not here to defend himself anymore, it's important that we absolutely say that these are allegations.
Nothing here has been determined in a court of law.
But it is being, there is a, like a, what's it called?
Like a docu-series that's come out recently by A ⁇ E.
It's a 10-part series called The Secret Life of a Playboy.
And that's kind of why people are talking about this right now and these allegations of abuse.
So, and there's two former Playboy bunnies, specifically Holly Madison and Bridget Marcart.
Yeah.
Mark Cart.
And they detailed what it was like having unprotected sex with Hugh Hefner turn by turn.
So again, that's awful.
Yes.
Sounds really gross, horrible.
However, you read the article and Holly Madison, she was, and again, it gross.
She was 21 when she moved into the mansion and Hugh Hefner was 75.
But apparently she started dating him.
Yeah.
So there's a bit of background about her.
So she first encountered him, who was then 74, and after a year of being a regular at the mansion, she decided to move out and be one of his girlfriend.
Yeah, she moved out of her house, moved in with him, sorry, because a spot had opened up.
And she said she had been assured that none of them actually had to have sex with Hefner, and it seemed like a nice and free place to live.
Heller, you're living there rent-free.
Nothing is free, honey.
Ain't free girlfriend.
Nothing is free.
I taught you that.
And you made a great point before we started filming.
Like, you went to be his boy girlfriend.
Like, what do you think that implies?
That implies sex.
Yeah.
So, again, important.
Neither of us think that just because you're dating someone, does that mean you have to have sex with them?
No, no one should think that.
Nothing should be coerced.
But when daddy's paying for your entire life and you're his girlfriend and you know what he does for a living, you know he's like, not to mention he has multiple girlfriends at once.
Yes, exactly.
So it's like he's obviously not an upstanding citizen and he he's a he obviously considers you an object if he needs to pay his girlfriends to stay with him.
And also none of these things in this, any of these, like these girls, Holly Madison and Bridget Marcart, or I'm just going to say Holly and Bridget, they have not alleged that he forced themself on them.
So all of the, they say like they were fed in meat, like meat.
It's all like, it's all like, if you don't have sex with Hugh Hefner, you could lose your job or you could lose your spot in the house.
But it's not like he's forcing you or chaining you up.
Like these, it's important to make that distinction because while I feel like this is very uncomfortable and disturbing, they could have packed up their bags at any time and left.
No one was locking them in there.
Apparently, like according to them, they weren't locked in there.
Apparently he did blackmail those who lived in the house, according to people.
And Holly also alleges that they were pressured to get plastic surgery.
And apparently Playboy bunnies were often targeted by club members.
So there's an FBI investigation and for their former security guard, Jim Ellis, and Bunny Mother claim that the women who worked at Playboy Clubs are vulnerable to the club, alleging that the women were often drugged and assaulted.
And the men who frequent the club, so this is actually even going back to the start of Playboy, like before Holly Madison and all that.
So it had a seedy beginning.
In one 1978 incident, six Playboy buddies were kidnapped, drugged, and raped while held captive in New Jersey, according to the New York Times.
And the FBI were convinced that there was rampant drug use going on, and they targeted Hefner, who claimed it was a witch hunt.
And it was none of these allegations were true.
So knowing all that history, like you can't how, like, there aren't many values associated with Playboy, I'm going to say, just out the gate.
Like, what is the responsibility of the woman not to move into a house and do your research where you're definitely going to be forced to have sex with the owner who is like a whole like sells pornography and women for his for a living?
Yeah, and it's confusing because some women are coming out in support of these women who are speaking out against him, but other people are completely opposed to what they're saying.
And they consider him to be a he treated them well.
He was a great guy.
There's a really good quote, actually.
One of his girlfriends previously wrote about Madison in a Facebook post.
You chose to stay there.
You chose to pose nude.
You chose to do a reality show.
You also chose to write a book.
I never wrote a book to line my pockets with money.
I moved on without condemning Heff, the staff, his friends, or any of the other girls that lived there while I was there.
If you're so hurt, give back the $1,000 of cash Heff gave you every week or seven cars while you were there, along with your healthcare, cars, car insurance, golf cart, weekly hair salon visits, weekly clothing allowance, weekly makeup artists, and all the cash on your plastic surgery room and board with butler service, maid service, and high-end dogs.
I disagree.
I agreed with the first part.
Like, you chose to stay there, you chose to do this thing, but like he gave you money.
You don't have to give that back.
No, but I think it's interesting that she pretends to be this victim, and yet she was able to leave the house freely in 2008.
And then she went off to write a book exposing Hugh after living this.
After he died, right?
Or was it?
No, she left him in 2008.
Right, but like, when did the book come out?
When he was alive or dead?
I don't know.
I actually don't know.
But it's now, because these two girls, Holly and Bridget, have a podcast, and now they're talking about this stuff.
And it's like, I like, it's such a hard, it's such a hard thing because I do not, I won't, I won't just hashtag believe all women.
No, because the truth matters.
Humans lie, women lie, men lie.
And especially when you have a new platform and you're trying to get views, having a big expose like this where you're dishing out this juicy gauss is pretty profitable.
So, but I also don't want to shame potential victims of abuse.
Like, it's, it's really, really, it's a tough conversation.
It's just confusing because Playboy is obviously about objectifying women.
Yeah.
So, of course, you can expect that Hugh Hefner would objectify you and treat you as an object.
Like, I just, and he has ownership over you.
When someone pays for your entire life.
But not over your body, though.
But I think that that's.
I agree to an extent.
Like, he has the right to take photos of you because that's what the job is.
He has the right to go out with you and hold your waist for photos.
But then when they are saying they were forced to have orgies with him without condoms, that's like after going out clubbing, it was twice a week they had orgies.
It's disgusting.
It is.
But I think it's completely unsurprising.
It's not surprising, no.
But he doesn't have, like, he doesn't have the right to expect that of you.
But I think that they shouldn't be so naive.
They shouldn't be shocked that the old dirty man is.
Like, he's a million years old, and you guys are what?
Like in your early 20s and you're hot as hell.
Like, pretty sure he's a creep.
He's a creep, and you should have known that.
I mean, there's also other examples of him about him having crocodile, crocodile tears.
That's an interesting thing.
To manipulate them.
Yeah, like you're having sex.
This article, Playboy Bunny, say Hugh Hefner fake cried for sex.
Like, okay, man.
That's so weird.
Super weird.
It's also, so it's super weird and creepy and weird, but it's also not the behavior of like a rapist.
No.
A rapist doesn't feel like it's a picture of the race for sex.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's just like, I don't think anyone here is accusing him of rape, but it's like, at what point is manipulating women into having sex with you borderline rape?
Yeah, it's, I think it's a gray area.
It is.
Certainly.
And he also had a black book that he reportedly used to keep tabs on them.
Yeah.
So he'd keep track of when they collected their allowance.
And I was reading that and I was like, yeah, of course.
It's like financial.
He's old too.
He doesn't want to get screwed over by these young girls.
It's like, I gave you $1,000 last week.
I haven't given it to you this week.
Like, that's actually really sad.
You don't want to be taken advantage of.
But then it also went on to say it kept track of who slept with him and when.
Yeah, that's not gross.
That's gross.
Because why?
Because why do you need to know that?
Because it's like, oh, Holly hasn't had sex with me in a week.
It's time.
Yeah.
And apparently one of them, I think it was Holly, said that he would say something like, oh, you've been on your period for three weeks.
Like, that's interesting.
And it's like, why is that interesting?
Because you expect to get in my pants.
Like, it's not great.
It's not great.
But again, he's not here to defend himself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean, apparently last week, people obtained an open letter signed by hundreds of former Playboy Bunnies, playmates, ex-girlfriends, and employees denouncing AE's Secrets of Playboy series and the recent allegations made against Hefner.
So it's hard to know what's true.
It really is because Holly has a great opportunity to make a buck by spinning this story.
But at the same time, like, you don't want to minimize real abuse.
Exactly.
So it's like so tough.
It's a tough one.
But I will, I just, it just occurred to me right now.
All, like, this, this article, Playboy Bunnies Feared Hefner's Revenge Porn book, wanted to burn it.
That's Madison and Marquette.
Like, that's Holly and what's her name?
What's the other one's name?
Bridget.
Bridget.
That's Holly and Bridget.
Those are the same girls who say it was like having, it was disturbing having unprotected people.
And all these artists.
Those are the same girls who say they were fed to Hefner like meat.
So it's like, it's not like it's not like the Nickelodeon story where it's like, oh, as time goes on, like more and more of them are coming out and saying like, oh God, that happened to me too.
It's like, it's really only the two of them.
And they recently launched a podcast.
Yeah.
It's a little interesting.
But then I also did a little more research.
And apparently there's another Playboy documentary which claims that Hugh Hefner trafficked women in an underground sex system.
And he was also in love with a male doctor.
Sex Tapes and Trafficking00:06:04
Oh, jeez.
Jeez.
Well, that's a twist.
So actually, sorry, this is the same documentary, but it's been claimed that he allegedly trafficked women who hadn't made the cut into his elite Playboy Bunny squad in an underground sex system.
There were apparently clones of the Playboy Mansion on a smaller scale.
And he would prey on these women, manipulate or groom them.
His friends would, sorry, which included some of America's most powerful and wealthy men.
I wonder who they were.
I wonder if they know Epstein.
Also revealed was the allegation that Hugh Hefner was in love with his live-in doctor, Mark Saginor, and his daughter confirmed that she believes that that's true.
That is a twisty twist, you know.
He's a homosexual who has like his own little bunny sex ring in his house with women.
He could be bi.
Yeah, sorry.
Don't put anyone in a box on this show.
But that's kind of weird.
That is super weird.
Apparently, these women who went to these cloned mansions were told they could get a modeling contract, but were instead drugged, raped, and videotaped.
I want to know who these women are.
Like, who are they?
Maybe it's showcased on the show more, but I haven't seen too many articles about this.
Yeah.
But that's horrifying.
Yeah, it just, a lot of these articles, like the title is super grabby.
Yeah.
But then when you read it, they all say the same thing.
They all kind of exactly.
It's like this article is titled Secrets of Playboy Bombshells, Sex Rings, Kidnappings, and FBI Investigations.
And you touched on the FBI investigation, kidnappings.
But I read the article.
Yeah.
And I didn't see, I saw that he collected sex tapes on the women as collateral.
Gross.
Yeah.
But also, like, and I was, I wrote this is like, you have a ton of young people living in your house and you're elderly.
You're going to have some cameras up.
Apparently, he had cameras everywhere.
And even like his former security guard says that it was, wasn't just sexual.
Every place had microphones and cameras.
You had to be careful because you knew you were being monitored.
That's not that weird.
Not really, especially when you have a bunch of randos living in your house.
Exactly.
Right?
But, but then it's like, okay, kidnappings?
Well, but then I'm just.
That's strange, but I couldn't actually find.
But it's also not surprising, though, because it's like the porn industry, as we've talked about before, has great ties to human trafficking and sexually exploiting and abusing women.
So why are we surprised that this Playboy mogul has, even if it's true, assuming it's true, allegedly it's true, would do this to women.
He clearly doesn't, I mean, I don't know.
You can't expect anyone in the porn industry to be upstanding.
Okay.
It's not the moral point.
It's not the most moral industry in the world.
In fact, it's one of the most evil industries in the world.
Slary Moise.
Yeah.
And like, as a woman, if you want to be respected, like, don't become a Playboy model.
Yeah.
Maybe don't take off your clothes for money.
I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
And again, we stress, we do any act of abuse, like any kind of abuse, we condemn that.
I don't want any woman to be harmed by a creepy old man.
And if you have an exit, take it.
And if you don't reach out for help, like these are, there are women who literally are being kidnapped and held against their will, trying trafficked.
Like that's, that is a whole different situation and that's disgusting and like literally need they need to be rescued.
Yeah.
And there are allegations of that here, but there's really no evidence that he was kidnapping women that I can see from these articles.
It's hard.
It's really hard to say.
I think that it involves a lot more time and thorough investigation on our part to be able to kind of dig into that more.
But I also, to play the, not really the devil's advocate, but just to flip, flip it a little, like these women who came out in support of him that signed that letter to people.
Do you think, do you also wonder if maybe there's a bit of Stockholm syndrome going on here?
Well, that's what Holly Madison said.
She thought she had Stockholm syndrome.
Like, and I feel like that kind of makes sense because you live in this strange bubble where you're not really allowed to leave.
Like she was forced to quit her waitressing job or something because he wanted her to spend more time at the house or whatever.
And like, I'm sure, and like apparently he like monitored like her makeup and like what color lipstick she was wearing and he got mad at her when she got her hair.
And I was like, those are all telltale signs of abuse, like an abusive relationship.
Yeah.
Like a control freeze.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
So it is, you're right.
It's a good point.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that these women who are like supporting him now have Stockholm syndrome.
Yeah.
I just want to read this quote from this e-online article about the sex tapes, the alleged sex tapes.
So here's the quote.
They were told in the case of Hefner's death, his executive secretary, Mary O'Connor, was instructed to destroy all sex tapes.
Former executive assistant Lisa Loving Barrett said that she was told that they were put in a barrel and thrown out to sea.
Can you imagine being stranded on a desert island and those roll up and you see a barrel coming your way?
You're like, food, water, just a bunch of tips.
Just a bunch of porn with an old man.
Oh, that's not ideal.
Anyways.
On that light note.
No.
But also Kate Moss.
Yes.
So, Kate Moss also recently came out and said that there was nothing seedy or gross taking place at the Playboy Management.
And I mean, she didn't live there.
She didn't live there.
She went there for a shoot.
She, of course, you know, it reminds me of like, you know, those episodes where you see like they drop grandma and grandpa off at the old folks' home and then the old folks' home is like really grilled.
See, and then like the high school did that.
They brought out the nice china and like covered all the walls, like the holes in the walls.
But then as soon as everyone leaves, it's like the grave, the like bats come out and stuff like that.
That could be what it's like there.
I mean, who knows?
And she was also talent.
Like she was posing on the cover.
So she was all treated like a queen.
She was already famous at this point.
Right.
So it's hard to say.
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly what it wrote.
She never lived there and she was famous.
So he's not going to like force her to have sex with him.
No.
But she also said it was like really chill family vibes.
That's what she said.
Sexual Grooming of Kids00:15:03
Yeah.
But yeah, it could be exactly like that Adam Sandler movie.
Right.
We're going to take care of your grandma and take care of grandma.
And then she says, my fingers hurt.
And he's like, you know what?
That's going to hurt your back.
Because you just pulled landscaping duty.
Uh-oh.
Sounds like prison.
Yeah.
So is the Playboy Mansion prison?
Hard to say.
Especially when it seems like just Holly Madison was able to leave whenever she wanted, is what it seems like to me.
Yeah.
But it is weird that they were getting $1,000 a week.
Like, is that enough to, like, is that enough to save up for and live off of and then move out?
Maybe in the early 2000s.
But maybe not.
You're right.
It's not a lot of money.
But you have no expenses.
Yeah, but that's my point.
No, he doesn't want you to move out.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That's my point.
So it's like he's giving them just enough money so that they stay there because they're like, oh, I'm getting money.
But it's like not, it's not a salary.
It's not big enough to save up for and be like, okay, well, I don't want to be treated like this anymore.
I'm going to go get my own apartments.
Like, right.
With what money?
You've got $1,000 a week.
Yeah.
It's true.
It's not that much money.
I mean, it's more.
It's more than to do some stuff for it that I am not willing to do.
No, no, no.
So, you know, God bless.
God bless.
Yeah.
No, it's true.
And then, yeah, and just, I think maybe the Stockholm Syndrome thing, we should unpack that a little more because I don't know, maybe he was kind of grooming them in a way.
You know, and this, we, we love talking about grooming all the time.
We love talking about grooming.
Grooming.
Because we're not supposed to.
We're not, we're bad.
We're not supposed to talk about it.
Yeah.
But I mean, there is a case to be made that he was manipulating these women so young.
Exactly.
And when you're wide-eyed and bushy-tailed, like you move to LA and you just want to be famous and you want to be rich and you want to live the luxe life.
And if this old freak comes along and offers you this thing.
You're a beautiful young lady.
Let me touch her skin.
So elastic.
Exactly.
Why don't I buy you a pair of breasts?
There's Hugh here.
Oh, you creepy.
But yeah, exactly.
Like, I don't know.
Maybe it's hard to turn that down.
I just think maybe have a bit more respect for yourself.
Like, maybe you could have made it on your own.
Yeah.
Maybe you could have like done another job.
Yeah.
Like you could, you modeled naked, maybe model the clothes on.
Yeah, you're all beautiful.
Yeah.
You're all pretty, even if it's just in like a catalog.
Like it's that's work.
Yeah.
Sears had a great model.
I'm not attractive enough for that.
No, I laugh right in my face when I try.
I would take a Sears modeling cat.
Yeah, too.
Sears?
Sears?
Please.
Christmas one?
See hers right here.
Christmas.
We will do a Christmas shoot.
We will be.
I will play Santa.
Because I will be friggin huge then.
She's going to be Santa.
And I will be Rudolph.
You'll be my elf.
Oh.
Okay, we're getting off topic here.
Anything else we wanted to address here?
Grooming.
Let's just talk a little bit about this.
Let's just talk about grooming specifically because it's so, like you just said, it's so poignant in this conversation specifically because here's an old man inviting these young women into his home and then allegedly engaging in sex with them that they didn't want to.
Crazy sick orgies.
Yeah.
So there's this other article.
Not about Hugh Hofner.
No.
From Daily Mill.
So it says, woman who was groomed by her married high school teacher when she was just 16 reveals tactics he used to lure her into a relationship in a stark warning to other women.
Now, I read the entire article and they don't list those tactics.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it's coming out in her documentary.
But I'll keep this between us.
I did Google.
Did you?
How you can spot, not necessarily, yes.
Not necessarily.
The warning signs.
Perfect.
Let's go through them.
All right, guys.
So victim selection.
Abusers often observe possible victims and select them based on ease of access.
So if this person is vulnerable in any way, i.e. a child, pretty vulnerable.
Or a woman without a lot of money.
Yeah.
Or like family support.
Exactly.
Or a child who looks up to her teacher because as we've talked about countless times on the show, children aim to please.
Yes.
Gaining access and isolating the victim.
So that actually is one thing this teacher did.
He invited all the kids over for a movie night, which is really weird.
Didn't know teachers were allowed to do that.
And when the other kids left and his wife was out of the room, he leaned in and kissed her.
Also something Hugh Hefner did.
Right.
Because he would bring them into his house and make them live, like not make them, but like invite them to live there and like kind of not let them do what, like quit their other waitressing jobs and police how they acted and who they were around.
Right.
Yeah.
He totally isolated them from the rest of the world.
Yeah.
Trust development and keeping secrets.
So abusers attempt to gain trust of a potential victim through gifts, attention, sharing secrets, which is something we've talked about in the wake of the don't say gay bill and other means to make them feel that they have a caring relationship and to train them to keep the relationship secret.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like shaming a little bit.
It's like sort of like you've already done something bad, so we shouldn't tell anyone what we've done.
We've done together.
Or it's like our special little secret.
No one needs to know, you know, and it's like, it kind of gives you, it makes you feel like you have power over people because you're like, I'm special, but I can't tell anyone because it's too special kind of a thing.
Desensitation, desensitization to touch and discussion of sexual topics.
So they'll often start to touch a victim in ways that appear harmless, such as hugging, wrestling, and tickling.
And then they later escalate it to increasingly more sexual contact.
You guys are sick.
Really gross.
I don't even want to finish reading that.
They also show them pornography.
Interesting.
Well, that's also something Hugh Huffner did because they were in it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's all over the place.
He probably just normalized, like, oh, we're getting naked.
We're having a naked swimming party.
We're having a naked dinner party.
And to that, one of the blackmailing tactics he'd use is when after a night of partying, the girls would kind of get together and he'd take photos of them in sexual positions and like topless and super hammered and he would keep these photos.
And apparently he would hand those photos out to the other buddies.
Business cards.
Yeah.
And kept a scrapbook of them.
That's, you know, my scrapbook looked a lot different, Hugh.
Attempt by abusers to make their behavior seem natural.
So to avoid raising suspicions for teens who may be closer to age to the abuser, it can be particularly hard to recognize tactics using grooming.
So be alert for signs that your teen has a relationship with an adult that includes secrecy, undue influence or control, or pushes personal boundaries.
Those are good.
Yeah, those are really good.
And it reminds me of Pretty Little Liars.
I never saw that.
Okay, so she has a relationship, one of the characters, Aria, with her teacher.
Of course, I did see that.
Yeah, and they make it.
No, I saw big little lies.
Never mind.
Continue.
Well, I'm sure it's similar.
But they make it seem so sexy and they normalize it and they romanticize it.
And it's like, this is super wrong.
Like, even though he's only like 22 or whatever, he's fresh.
This is wrong.
Yeah, exactly.
Because her frontal lobe is not developed yet.
She can't consent to any of this stuff because she's still like a growing baby.
Like she's a child.
Like she doesn't understand the implications.
And so any adult that goes in and tries to, you know, lure a kid.
And it's like you don't have adults of your own that you can get with.
Exactly.
Pathetic are you?
And, but the, like, Hollywood normalizes this.
They make it seem sexy and cool.
And I think it's super wrong.
It's wrong.
It's super wrong.
Yeah.
And then of course there's online grooming, which often involves adults creating fake profiles and posing as children or teens, which I think we've had a lot.
We're going to work to catch a predator.
Well, right.
And I think that really is something that's prevalent probably in the transgender like Tumblr thing.
Like just these like adults encouraging kids and comforting them and making them feel normal.
It's kind of creepy.
It's super creepy.
Creepy guys.
I don't like it.
It's great though.
Yeah.
Can we play two minutes of this Crowder video?
Oh, yes.
Okay.
This is a video from Steven Crowder and his team went undercover at a drag show and it came out yesterday.
It's about a 15 minute video, but we're just going to play two minutes of it right from the middle because I think it does it involve grooming?
It does.
Oh, yes.
Well then great.
It's on point.
Okay.
Let us play.
Poi fake.
Should not be seeing.
I think they just don't know the full story because this is not about children.
This is not about opening their eyes to this and making them see this.
It's about support for his family.
Really?
Is that really what's happening inside though?
No, I love you.
Like tomorrow you love him and then you love her and you're gonna love a tree the next day.
We brought our kids.
We're like, this is something crazy.
Yep, yep.
How old are your kids?
Like, oh my God.
I fought in the army for 23 years, 60 to 20.
So y'all can do what you do and I can do, but don't involve children is all I'm saying.
Just keep the children out of it.
Are there children in there?
I haven't been in there.
I do not think so.
are, they're with their families and they're just enjoying a great time.
Clearly it's fun for the whole family.
Approved for all ages.
Are there children inside?
Yeah, there's three or four of them.
But these girls are all fully closed.
This is a PG performance.
Like, it's family friendly.
I mean, I think it's just a lifestyle.
Well, crap.
It's almost as if sexualization is the entire goal.
Again, good, wholesome, family-friendly fun.
Here's what Nida Montana tweeted out just two days after the event.
Okay.
Ooh, that poor child who was afraid.
Physically afraid to go in, and her mom was like pushing her in.
I really like this video because they had the guy on the street who was talking to protesters and counter-protesters.
And then there was hidden cameras inside the actual show who were just like they really captured the whole thing.
And the P, like that one girl at the beginning is like, oh, I don't think there's children in there.
And there's like, and there are like a hundred thousand.
Oh, if there is, they're with their families.
Like, yes, they are with their families.
Does that make it okay?
Is it okay if you're with your family watching porn together?
No.
Don't think so.
It's not okay.
And again, I've said this a million times.
I love drag.
I watch drag.
I am an adult, though.
And it's highly sexual, and just because- And drag queens admit that.
Yes.
Many have come out in this season of time where drag queens are a thing, a big topic of discussion.
And they've said, hey, don't bring your kids.
Yeah.
It shouldn't be for children.
Like a lot of it is, it's a lot of sexual innuendo.
There's nothing inherently sexual about a man dressing like a woman.
Like one of the women in this video, like this one, actually.
You can't see it, but I can see it.
But she's saying, like, oh, like, what about Mrs. Doubtfire?
Like, everyone loved that.
It's like, I'm sorry.
Are you actually relating this drag queen to an actor?
She's wearing a thong to Robin Williams in an actor acting like an old woman.
And he's not being sexual in any way.
There's nothing sexual about that show.
No.
So, so anyways, it's just grasping at straws.
It is.
And the reason why I wanted to play it in this episode is just because, like, I don't believe that the drag queens dancing at these shows think that they're grooming or are actively, like, I would guess like most of them are not actively trying to groom children, but it's happening.
It's an unfortunate accident.
I'm going to just give them the benefit of the doubt.
It's an accidental.
I'm not going to, but I understand.
I'm hoping it's an accidental cause of what they're doing.
And it's like, I think we should accept drag queens as human beings.
We shouldn't bully people who want to do drag as an art form or dress like women.
But when you take like the pendulum has swung so far from being like, oh, let's not, I isolate and bully these people to now like, well, it's a family thing and bring your kids.
It's like, we took that too far.
Now it's gross and now you're grooming even accidentally.
Well, and how much further is it going to go?
You're blurring the line too much.
Right.
And we talked about this in our episode about Nickelodeon.
And it's like we see parents pushing their kids to impress this adult, you know, Dan Schneider.
And it's like, forcing your kids into these kinds of things is it's inappropriate.
It's inappropriate.
And as parents, you're supposed to protect your children.
Now, I'm not a parent yet.
I understand that.
But I do understand that protecting children, it's kind of, it should just be going without saying.
Like, I don't think we should even need to talk about this, frankly.
Like, we shouldn't.
It's the way it is.
We've gone too far.
Like, people used to beat up gays in the locker room.
Not good.
And now this, bad.
Yeah.
We need to go back to a happy middle ground where drag queens could do the art of drag at nightclubs.
Yeah.
And this was hosted.
This crowd video was hosted at a distillery.
That's not a place that you bring children.
No.
To alcohol.
Yes, exactly.
Where people are getting hammered in the middle of the day.
And drag queens are, you're putting money down their, like in their underwear.
Yes, they're wearing tights because they have to hide the padding that makes them give them big fake butts.
Like, what is that all about?
First of all, the big fake butts.
And then second of all, where is the dollar bills is like a stripper thing?
No, it's there's it's completely sexual.
Everything about a drag show is sexual, okay?
That's fine.
Do what you gonna do.
Do what you want to do, but don't bring your dang kids.
And drag queens.
If you see a kid in the freaking audience, say get out.
Like kick them out.
Don't let them put dollar bills down your G strap.
And I would ask them to leave, frankly.
Like I actually think that's the honorable thing to do.
Yeah, and punch their parents in the head on the way out.
No, I'm just kidding.
No violence.
But you know what I mean?
With your words.
With your words.
Punch them with the truth.
Yeah.
I think that would be great to see.
Like calling these dumb parents out for their crap.
Like, why did you bring your child here?
The science center is down the street.
Yeah.
The aquarium is open.
And it's like, I understand like there's so much pressure to be deemed inclusive, but it's like you're so concerned about how people view you that you're willing to force your kids into something that's going to screw them up.
Like it's not healthy for kids to be exposed to these kinds of things.
Do you want them dressing up in sparkly thongs and dancing and doing death drops and getting dollar bills shoved in their underwear when they go to school on Monday?
Like no.
Right.
And it's not even that, but just being exposed to any sort of explicit sexual behavior or performance.
Hetero or non-hetero.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
It's wrong.
Kids should not be watching anything that involves sex.
Sorry.
Full stop.
Full stop.
Sorry.
Call me a bigot.
But parents, you shouldn't care what people think.
Be a bigot.
Who the hell cares?
Your job is to protect your child and to raise them and to shield them from the evils of the world.
There are so many of them.
There's so many of them.
Don't willingly send them.
Yeah, don't into the fireplace.
Like, here are some evils of the world.
Yeah.
Like, here you go.
Have fun, Jill.
Like, don't name your kid Jill wrong.
If you're listening, Jill, I'm sorry.
It's a great name.
I'm so sorry.
We're sorry.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, is that the shirt?
We got it up here and we're taking it back down.
That's the shirt.
Yeah, I think we went all over the place, but there's so much to unpack with Playboy.
It was a gross little circle.
It was a bumpy one, but we thank you all for listening and you know, do your own research on this.
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