Kanye West’s September 1st Instagram posts—alleging Kim Kardashian’s involvement in porn while defending his own kids—sparked parallels with Nickelodeon’s history of sexualized teen content, from Victorious’s egg-white goo scene on 13-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears to The OC and Euphoria. Former star Alexa Nicholas’s "Eat Predators" tour targeted Dan Schneider, accused in Jeanette McCurdy’s 2017 book of enabling abuse despite no proven misconduct. Critics like Daniella Monet and Hollywood’s pattern of infantilization—from Ariana Grande at 16 to Hannah Kim’s deleted photos—highlight exploitation, raising concerns about how such depictions normalize adult-child boundaries for young audiences. [Automatically generated summary]
Hello and welcome to Misunderstood, the show for all the culturally and politically misunderstood ladies, non-binary, or gents.
We are your hosts.
I'm Kat.
And I'm Nat.
And today, this is part one, actually, of our two-part episode, where we're going to be talking about Playboy.
Hello.
And then, of course, everyone's favorite producer and writer, Dan Schneider.
Schneider.
And we're going to tie everything together in a nice little bow for you.
So stay tuned till the end.
You don't want to miss it.
I don't want to miss it, girlfriend.
But first, our patent and culture shock moment of the work.
Take it a work, Kurt.
Well, on Thursday, September 1st, Kanye West, he took to Instagram and just started posting text pictures of text and also screen grabs of conversations with maybe you're aging yourself.
Screen grabs.
I am in my 30s.
I apologize.
Screen grabs of his conversations with potentially his ex-wife, Kim Kardashian.
Yes.
And the big culture shock is that he basically told someone that we think his Kim Kardashian.
He basically said that his children will not do porn, implying that Kim Kardashian allegedly potentially does pornography, and that her Clinton friends can come get him and he's ready for them.
And it's a lot.
It's a lot.
It's a lot, you guys.
Yeah, and it's interesting.
I guess there's a debate about where their kids are going to be going to school and he doesn't want the kids to take after their mother, who was obviously exploited, we assume, by Chris Jenner for fame.
So it's interesting and it's interesting that he's coming out and calling out the Clintons.
I mean, there's a lot of conspiracy theories about that and stuff, but it's interesting that someone like him would say it.
Right, because he's so famous and he should be on some sort of suicide watch.
Yeah, some of his messages are troubling because you never know if he's just...
Well, I don't mean suicide.
Yeah.
I mean like a suicide watch.
But it's troubling and he's taking a big risk here coming out and saying this and it's interesting that he's calling out Chris for doing something that we all know is true.
Like she exploited her own children and Kim needs to be mindful of that and hopefully protect her own kids.
I think that's like yeah.
And it speaks to the theme of this whole part 2.
This is two part episodes.
It's a two-part episode.
Can't speak even though I speak for a living.
Yeah, and we're going to be talking about grooming and pornography, mostly in not so much pornography, but like Playboy and potential like revenge porn that Hugh Hefner had and infantilization.
So a lot of it.
Oh, there's so much to talk about.
So hop on the rocket and let's go.
Okay.
All right.
Should we start with Nickelodeon?
Let's talk about Nickelodeon because we talked about Nickelodeon a few weeks ago and more has been coming out since then.
And it's pretty crazy.
Even just last Thursday, we can talk about Daniella Monet in a second.
Should we just give people a quick recap of what we've just recapitated before?
All right, so wrap her up nicely.
In episode 27, we talked about this.
So in a 2018 joint statement, Nickelodeon and Dan Schneider announced that they would be parting ways, prompting people to speculate why.
The New York Time reports before their separation, Viacom CBS, the parent company of Nickelodeon, had investigated Schneider and found that alongside the many coworkers who praised his attention to detail and work ethic, many people he worked with viewed him as verbally abusive.
They also conducted interviews with employees and allegedly discovered there's no evidence of sexual misconduct by Schneider.
Although according to Daily Mail, Schneider had a history of forcing the young actors into sexualized scenes.
So that takes us to Turtur.
Turter.
So last Thursday, a former Zoe 101 star Alexa Nicholas, she has some tour.
I don't know what.
Yeah, Eat Predators is her tour.
Tour of what?
So they're just protesting.
Okay, they're going to be a tourist.
Yeah, they're going outside studios and protesting the executives, specifically Rob Rob Schneider, Dan Schneider.
Not Rob, Dan Schneider.
So they kicked it off by gathering outside of Nickelodeon Studios in Burbank, California to protest enabling of abuse from executives at the network and specifically called out Dan Schneider.
She held up a sign that said, Nickelodeon didn't protect me.
And so this was last Thursday.
Yeah.
This was recent.
And so it all started off with Jeanette McCurdy's book.
Which we talked about in the 2017.
And she talks about the creator who she doesn't name, but people put it together that it's Dan Schneider.
And then there is something else that happened last week, which is Daniella Monet, who was a star on, is it iCarly?
Victorious.
Victorious.
Yes.
Again, I'm very old.
So she said that she found one of the scenes too sexual, and she complained to the network, aka Dan Schneider, about it, and they left it in.
Yeah.
And there's other examples of oversexualized scenes and costumes that I think we should maybe mention because it seems to be a consistent thread throughout all of his shows that he worked on.
And not only that, but also important to note that the guy had a weird disdain for women.
He never had more than two women writing on his show.
It was always a bunch of men, which is creepy because it's a bunch of men writing for young kids.
And mostly girls.
Mostly girls.
And so some of the examples include one where Victoria's star Ariana Grande puts her big toe in her mouth.
And then another is a scene where she's seen with her eyes closed, moaning and squeezing a potato in both hands, begging it to give up the juice.
Monet also described an uncomfortable scene where she was forced to apply lip gloss while eating a pickle.
And then, of course, this is a good one.
Insider also references another inappropriate scene where goo, with roughly the consistency of an egg white, was being squirted repeatedly on teen actor Jamie Lynn Spears' face, which one of her male yeah, she was 13 years old and one of her male castmates compared it to a cum shot.
So this is this is pretty graphic.
And apparently, like you said, she repeatedly had to do it, but it was Dan Schneider, apparently, who kept saying, oh, we need to take it again, we need to take it again.
And then one scene, the egg white, like goo, completely on her face and down her nose and mouth, and he was like, that's the one, and that's the one that made it into the final edit.
Yeah, it's pretty creepy.
And it's really unfortunate that these executives who are adults did not care if their actors were uncomfortable.
Not even actors, though.
People behind the scenes also came forward and said that they found some of it to be a little bit off-putting and icky.
And the content is for children too.
Yeah.
Like Daniella Monet, I think, was over 18 when she filmed her pickle scene or whatever.
But Jamie Lynn Spears was 13.
But not only that, the audience is children.
It's Nickelodeon.
It's marketed towards children.
So it's like Dan Schneider thinks he's producing an MTV show, like Love Island or something.
Right.
And I mean, You could argue that, oh kid, it's going to go over children's heads, but that doesn't make it okay.
Like, it's still, it's still present in the content, and that content is forever.
Like, it's, it's, you can find it.
There are so many clips online of all of these gross examples.
People have made compilation videos and all that stuff.
So I definitely suggest going and watching them because it's just, it's disgusting.
And these kids are being exploited.
And what's even stranger to me is that in a lot of these instances, I bet their parents were there.
Like, did they ever push back or were they just so keen on exploiting their kids for money so that they have a lucrative career?
I just, it's so gross.
Well, we talked about this before with Jeanette McCurdy.
Yeah.
And I brought up the movie Honeyboy that's based, produced and acted in by Shia LaBeouf.
That's based on his life.
And that's exactly what happened to him.
I don't think it was a sexual nature, but his father was just so eager for his kid to make money.
And obviously when a kid is underaged, who gets the check?
It's not the child.
Right, and who knows where they're putting that money if the kid's ever going to do it.
And that's the thing too in Hollywood where not even just Hollywood, child actors and doing commercials and stuff, their parents take the checks and the kid never sees a penny of it.
Yeah, which is abuse.
It's child exploitation.
Yeah.
It's horrible.
And apparently actors and sometimes their parents vied for Schneider's attention.
And some parents were so desperate for Schneider to notice their children, Nicholas said, that they would physically push them toward him.
And everyone took careful note of his favorite stars.
So interesting.
He played favorites in front of all these kids.
And then the parents were like, he likes this actor better.
Get in there.
Go up and talk.
That's so gross.
So obviously there's a lot of.
I'd just like to thank my parents.
For never pushing you to become an entertainer.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I mean, clearly the adults involved in both the production aspect and the parenting aspect have really royally screwed their kids.
Like, isn't that just the worst?
It's the worst.
Especially because.
I mean, we've said this, but Jamie Lynn Spears was 13.
Like, an 18-year-old being uncomfortable is still awful.
Yeah.
Just terrible.
And you're marketing that material towards children.
But Jamie Lynn Spears was 13 years old.
That is so young.
And I think part of the issue is that even if these young actors and writers and stuff were coming forward and complaining to Nickelodeon, the fact is Schneider was the breadwinner.
And you know, like the Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil.
And so you got to follow the money, honey.
Like if there's big profit to be made, of course the studio is going to follow the money and pursue things that aren't satisfying for the actors and things that make them uncomfortable because they don't care about their well-being.
They just want to make profit.
Like greed is just, greed is really the big evil here, I think.
Yeah, it could be that Dan Schneider is actually a creep and wanted to have like, you know, to diddle your kids.
I was going to tiptoe around it, but that.
Or it could be what Nat just said, and that it's actually like you could care less about the children and it's just greed.
But the point is that there's a market for it.
Yeah.
Which I guess we can kind of like, we're going to talk about infantilization and what's going on with women, grown women acting like children these days.
But I just want to read this one quote.
And I don't know which article it's from, but I'll post it later.
It says, Nicholas, who has been outspoken about her negative experiences at Nickelodeon, told Insider, it's from Insider, that Schneider once yelled at her so harshly when she was 13, she broke down in tears.
So it's like, and she left the show after two seasons because of this alleged abuse.
Yeah.
So again, like a producer yelling at someone, making them cry, not super new.
Especially like when they're a kid, though.
Yeah, but that's why it's so gross.
And like, we've all heard stories about Shirley Temple when she was a kid back.
I don't even know.
Was it the 50s?
Yeah.
We were not around.
We were super, super young.
Apparently, she suffered sexual and emotional abuse throughout her career as a child actor.
It's not good just because it's like not new.
So my point is, it's not new, but it's not good and it doesn't make it okay.
And who's really talking about this?
Exactly.
Like, this, like, if Nickelodeon's having skeletons in their closet, you can bet that Hollywood and children, there's something, there's something bubbling under the surface, and people don't want to talk about it because either people don't care about kids or there's just so much evil that it's just going to be overwhelming once exposed.
Like, I think the solution here is: parents, don't let your freaking kids in Hollywood.
Yes, like, I don't, I don't know.
We've talked about this before, too.
Like, are kids necessary in shows?
Like, maybe if it's a network for children, like, I know I used to watch certain Nickelodeon shows, and like my little sister did.
And kids like entertainment, so it's not like you can prevent them from having entertainment, but we need to protect them.
So, we need to vet the people who are making this content.
And just because, and it's on Nickelodeon, it's not just on Dan Schneider because he is the catalyst for a lot of this.
But it's like Nickelodeon was probably thinking, well, there are some sketchy allegations against him, but we've looked into it.
And bottom line is he's making us money.
Yeah.
Like, that is where it's wrong.
Like, he's wrong because he's a creep, potentially, allegedly.
Allegedly, allegedly, potentially.
But Nickelodeon could have done something about it instead of just like, oh, he's making us money, so let's just let it continue.
Like, if it was just Jeanette McCurdy and she didn't name him, it's like, okay, maybe, maybe not.
But now it's several people.
Several people.
Yeah.
And not even just actors.
It's like we mentioned in the last episode.
It's there's writers who've and not only that, he also had a very delicate ego.
So aside from kind of spending maybe too much time with kids or texting them privately, apparently he would chat with teenage cast members for hours after the filming ended.
Like it's clear that he had a delicate ego, and that reflected how he treated people.
And he treated children like they were adults, is how it seems to me.
It's like he got confused about whether they were really children or not.
And they were.
And children can't process anger the same way.
They can't, like, we should talk about grooming a little bit now.
Yeah.
Well, I just want to mention one more thing specifically about Nickelodeon.
I watched that compilation video of because you just sent it to me.
It's like maybe came out today of Ariana Grande and all those scenes.
Like one of them, like you mentioned, was her putting her sucking on her own toes.
One of them's her putting her finger down her mouth.
Another one, she's like doing stuff to a potato.
Yeah.
And then there's this other one.
She's juicing it.
Yeah, she's juicing a potato.
Not scientific.
And then this other one, she's like laying on a bed, like hanging off it and pouring water on herself.
And she says, I'm soaking wet.
And it kind of makes me feel bad for Ariana Grande because I kind of, and this is, again, like to talk about infantilization, like she sort of doesn't, she kind of never grew up a little bit.
She is someone who perfectly exemplifies infantilization.
Yeah, she actually acts like a girl.
I have no idea how old she is.
She's like 30 in her 30s.
Yeah.
No, she's actually in her 30s.
Yeah.
Like she's not a little kid.
She's a grown woman.
Yeah.
She's very tiny though, so I guess that's a good idea.
But it's also, it's not just that she has a small frame.
Like you have a small frame.
Like you don't act like a little girl.
No, it's a good point.
And for those who don't know what infantilization is, maybe we should just touch on that a little bit.
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What's in my PayPals?
Yes.
So it's basically grown women posing as children.
So there's an example.
There was like a TikTok or influencer who now has deleted the photos.
She had her hair in pigtails and she was dressed in a floral crop top and short skirt while holding a stuffed animal.
Her expressions in the photos show a range of emotions that are reminiscent of a child's demeanor.
There's one photo with her with her arms crossed, pouting at the camera with the stuffed bunny.
Is that supposed to be sexy?
When people say grow up, it's like grow up.
It's like what are you doing?
Well, yeah, and it's it is an issue because it's become sort of like a fetish.
Yeah.
And I think there's even porn like levels of this where it's like become, what is it called?
Like a theme in porn, a common theme or a type of porn.
I don't know.
Not clearly not very well versed in pornography.
So in that same article, they talk about this other influencer named Hannah Kim, who is infamously known for doing the same sort of thing, infantilizing herself in a sexy way.
And it turns out that her boyfriend was grooming, allegedly grooming minors.
So it's like she felt like she needed to be sexy, like that, like sexy like that.
And so people that follow, I was reading the tweets in the article, and the people, like, I didn't know who this person is.
Yeah.
But some of her fans were saying how they were noticing, like, isn't it weird how Hannah Kim's like image has become more like young and innocent since her boyfriend has been accused of these things?
It's like almost like to keep him like intrigued or to like validate it's super super weird.
So it's kind of almost like it like normalizes pedophilia in a way.
I also want to mention that the author of this article points out that there's this thing called age regression, which is like a therapeutic coping mechanism that some people use when they've had like terrible trauma.
So they revert back to like a simpler time or like maybe a time when something really bad happened to them and they can't get past it.
So the article wants to make it clear like that's not the same thing.
Like you can regress in a way and make it sexual.
But like I like there is a separation of those two things where one thing is like sort of like a mental coping thing, possibly a disorder, and it's sad and it's like it can be therapy for traumatized people.
And then there's also just like healthy young women seemingly healthy who are purposefully infantilizing themselves to appear sexy to men.
And I also want to mention that this is not new.
Like do you remember Hit Me Baby One More Time?
Yeah.
The music video?
Even the way they made Britney Spears sing.
Like the way they made her sound like a baby.
Yeah.
Like I don't think that's her real singing voice, y'all.
Who will never know?
Culture shock.
But like I remember I was quite young and I'm sure everyone knows this, but Hit Me Baby One More Time was her biggest hit and it was her first hit and she's dressed in a sexy schoolgirl uniform and I wore a uniform when I was a teenager.
It wasn't sexy.
It was not sexy.
But I remember people being like, oh, a uniform.
These are mostly young guys.
But it's like, so this the sexy schoolgirl is disgusting, but it's also not new.
So these are not like new concepts.
But I also wanted, I was also thinking about it last night.
Kids used to graduate high school later.
So you could be like 19 and in high school.
Right.
Different than when kids are graduating at 17, 18.
Yeah.
It's only a year, but it's sort of like it almost goes from like non-pedo to pedo.
Yeah.
And we have to drop, it's time to drop that.
And you can't, like, how do you force a whole cultural thing to just be gone?
But we should not play into it.
No, absolutely not because there's nothing sexy about children.
No.
There's nothing sexy about them.
Let's not sexualize them.
They put it in their pants.
Yeah, guys.
Like, let's not sexualize children, maybe, okay?
Because full stop.
Just a full stop.
Yeah.
I don't even need to continue.
That's it.
That's it.
And it reminds me of, like, you know, everyone's, we're talking about like drag queen story hour, and I think we have like a clip, maybe we'll play it in part two.
But it's qu it's kind of understandable why some people think it's okay for children to be at like distilleries or bars late at night watching drag queens shake it shake it and putting dollar bills in their underwear.
It's because we're blurring the line from adult to child and that's exactly what was happening at Nickelodeon.
They're like, oh, but they're actors.
They're working.
It's like they're still children.
They're still babies.
Still little children, and they have a long time to grow up and live with all this trauma.
Like, you are obese and a weirdo, you're going to die soon.
Like, you don't have to live with this for very long.
So, true.
And, like, preserving innocence, like, it's just insane.
Like, if these people who are grooming and grooming these children, I think that's the right word.
Like, maybe they have their own trauma and they're trying to put that on children.
But it's like, don't let these kids grow up the way you did.
If you've experienced assault or abuse, you need to stop that cycle.
We need to end it.
We need to let kids be kids.
And just like we talk about this endlessly on the show, but their innocence must be preserved.
And that's being taken away from them in Hollywood, but even beyond that in our everyday lives.
Exactly.
That's the thing.
It trickles down from Hollywood where you think it's okay because Ariana Grande, when she was 16 or whatever, was squeezing potatoes.
And now she's still squeezing potatoes.
Yeah, and now she's still like, she's messed up, the poor kid.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
And also, they're trying to make, they're trying to, like, we talked about this again.
We're kind of like reiterating ourselves here, but there is a push from people on the left, not all of the left, of course, but some people on the left, to make the word groomer not a thing.
So because they don't want you to call a spade a spade.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Because, and it's so important that we continue to call out grooming behavior.
You don't want to slander people.
So that's why we're like, we're trying to be very careful to say, like, these are alleged things.
Like, Dan Schneider has not been found guilty.
Yeah.
Which is also something that I find interesting.
It's like, okay, they've conducted this one investigation, but now that there are more allegations, do you suspect that they open it up?
Are they going to reopen it?
And he seems to be have gone dark.
Like, no one knows where he is.
He doesn't seem too active on social media anymore.
So it's interesting.
Like, I wonder if this will, if the bubble will burst, so to speak.
In preparation for our last episode, I was reading an article about, like, it was about like, where did Dan Schneider go?
Right.
And it was talking about how he's like thinking about coming back and like making more children's content.
And it's like, now?
I know.
Like, are they going to read the room?
Yeah, exactly.
I don't know if that's going to be happening anymore.
But it is important to understand that these are allegations.
There's lots of them.
And it's a pattern, but it's not a fact yet.
So we are trying to be careful.
And also, like, we're taking now.
Yeah, no, it's important to understand he's not guilty of these things yet.
No.
But it's important to talk about them because it's more and more coming out.
Exactly, yeah.
And when like kids see on TV, you know, infantilization, I think that they might like read that and be like, oh, that's like a little kid acting like sexually.
Like, how do they internalize that?
That's weird.
It's like little kids acting sexually and then women acting like little kids.
Yeah.
It's like becoming this weird girl.
And then young kids are watching it.
It's really weird and gross.
Like women should be women.
We are the givers of life.
Other than God, but yeah.
Yes.
True.
True God.
Yes.
But we are grown-ass beings who are not children and we shouldn't want to be children.
We should be proud.
We should be proud.
And it's on women and men to not, like, men, yeah, you can't help them, really.
No.
Like, you have to just not, you have to ignore creeps and not give them attention and certainly not date them.
But as women, all we can talk about is how, as women, because I'm not a man.
Yeah.
Well, I am non-binary.
She's non-binary.
Yes.
But as women, we need to not play into that.
So like, I'm not going to dress like a sexy schoolgirl.
No.
Because there's nothing sexy about a teenager.
No.
Unless you're another teenager.
Yeah.
Like teenagers can find each other sexy, full stop.
Okay.
Yeah.
And yeah, exactly.
They can be like, oh, she's cute.
Like, when did you get your braces?
Like, that's fine.
Which summer can't be guaranteed.
And for anyone who's attracted to grown women dressing like little girls, there's something wrong with you.
There's something wrong with you.
Get help.
Seek help.
Pray.
Yeah.
I'll pray for you.
Yeah.
Well, it's also like we've talked about this, I think, probably also.
But like, I grew up watching The OC.
It's a show about kids in grade 10.
Yeah.
It starts there.
Yeah.
Yeah, it starts there.
Yeah.
But they're like boinking.
And they're boinking.
But the actors are way older.
Right.
I was just talking about that with my favorite editor here at Rebel News, Dave Shrigley.
And it kind of creeps me out because it's like young kids might be watching that and they're like, oh, these teenagers are getting freaky.
But it's like, no, they're consenting adults.
So it's like, it's kind of like.
But it would be even creepier to see children doing those things.
Yes.
Like actual 16-year-olds playing 16-year-olds boinking them.
No, that would be even weirder.
Yeah, but it's like, why is the content need to go there?
No, why do we need to watch kids boinking?
I don't want to, even though they're adults.
But like, yeah, watch it.
But you know, you kind of forget how young they are.
It's true.
Yeah.
In the show.
Because like the main guy, Ryan, he has shoulders like this broad.
And you're like, no 16-year-old boy has those shoulders.
I'm watching him now as an adult because you're like, I'm like, damn.
And I'm like, wait, you're like, you're 30.
Yeah, he's technically like old.
Well, and then it's another show that I watched, Mindy Kaling's new show, Never Have I Ever.
It's actually a really great show.
I think it's really sweet.
But the spoiler alert, the season ends with her.
She got like a boink card from her friend and she wants to not be a virgin before she graduate high school.
So she just goes to his house and she just gives it to him.
They're friends.
They're not in love.
And like she just goes and loses her virginity.
She's not even in her senior year yet.
As if it's like getting a pap smear.
And it's like, why are we normalizing sex for teenagers on TV?
Like, okay, Mindy, you, you want to write this in, but like, you're a grown-ass woman.
Like, it's just not cool.
Like, teenagers are going to watch that.
And maybe that was her lived experience.
Like, I don't know.
I guess so, but like, I just don't think that's good content for kids.
Like, why should your teenage girl be pressured to have sex before her senior year because the TV is telling her that's the cool thing to do?
And by the way, do it with whoever you want.
Don't love them or anything.
Yeah.
You know, I just think it's really irresponsible.
It's so weird because do you remember being a teenager?
There were so many.
It was like yesterday.
Yes.
Well, just think back to last week.
There are a plethora of complications and anxieties and fears to get.
Like I got upset about like not making the school musical one year.
Yeah.
Those are the I was just auditioning for trying to get it.
Exactly.
And then hopefully I was going to have a honor role.
Yeah.
Like, oh, I wanted to meet a boy.
Like I wasn't, sex wasn't even the peripheral of my mind.
Like, and it shouldn't have been.
No.
You're a kid.
Yeah.
Like, it's, you know.
I was just trying to get my eyebrows right.
I know.
I didn't.
Like, bad eyeliner years, you guys.
So, oh, geez.
And I just think that kids are being robbed of that.
Yeah.
Because they're making it all about sex and drugs and all this pressure.
Like, I don't, I haven't watched the show Euphoria, but everyone loves it.
But I'm like, I don't want to watch teenagers getting high and having sex.
Yeah.
It's not cool.
I don't want to watch that.
That's what sex in the city is for.
Yeah, exactly.
And even they are a bunch of scags.
But at least they're old.
Yeah, they're old, exactly.
At least they know what they're doing and they're consenting.
So anyway, a lot, we covered a lot.
I think that was a good way to end part one.
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