Nat and Kat dissect Lizzo’s VMAs "oppression" claim, Biden’s $329B student loan forgiveness plan (42% to earners over $82K), and Noella, a 10-year-old trans model whose parents pushed gender transition by age four. They mock Andrew Tate’s misogynistic rules but argue banning him hides his alleged crimes—like trafficking and fraud—while platforms ignore real predators. The episode exposes how ideological battles distort accountability, whether in debt relief or social media moderation, leaving harmful influences unchecked despite censorship debates. [Automatically generated summary]
Heller and welcome to Misunderstood, the show for the politically and culturally misunderstood lady or gent.
We are your hosts.
I am Nat.
And I am Kat.
Today, we are going to be talking about the youngest trans model ever, I guess.
We're going to talk about Joe Biden's forgiveness of student loans.
And we're going to talk about everybody's favorite misogynist, Andrew Tate.
But first, our patented culture shock of the moment.
Take it away, Nat.
Guys, this is big, huge news.
A really, really famous, wealthy millionaire celebrity is oppressed as hell.
You guys, Lizzo, she mentioned at the VMAs on Sunday, the something, that she's oppressed while accepting her award.
Woo!
so I read the room Lizzo Did you know that getting on a private plane was here with your bare ass?
It's the system of oppression.
Yes.
She's being oppressed by getting on her private jet with her bare ass showing and then accepting an award.
If that's oppression, I want it.
Huge.
I would love to be oppressed.
Yes.
Oppress me.
Yeah.
Sounds like she's not, though.
What is she talking about?
Like police brutality?
I don't even know what that is.
Here's a clip.
Maybe we should just watch a clip and hear straight from the big fat horse's mouth.
Your vote means everything to me.
It means everything to making a change in this country.
So remember when you're voting for your favorite artist, vote to change some of these laws that are oppressing us.
What is she doing?
Is she referring to abortion?
The right to murder your baby.
You're a human baby.
I'm sure she's like, it's just so vague.
It's so easy to be like, yep, sure.
Oh, yeah.
And it's like, if you don't have anything smart to say, don't say it.
No, but if you don't have anything smart to say, just call yourself oppressed and people will cheer for you.
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I guess maybe we should.
I'm super oppressed.
I am.
Guys, if you don't agree, you're oppressing her.
You are oppressing me.
Anyway, so Lizzo, super oppressed.
And all you middle-class hardworking folks, you're oppressing her.
You're oppressing her.
You stop it.
You naughty little things.
All righty.
Should we talk about some student loan forgiveness?
Biden student loan forgiveness and extension plan.
What we know.
Gene Vogue.
So this should be good.
Yeah.
So the Biden administration announced that they will forgive $10,000 in federal student loan debt per borrower and $20,000 for borrowers who have received Pell Grants, which is a form of a need-based federal financial aid that typically does not have to be repaid.
And it's to help eligible low-income students.
So, okay.
So there's a lot here.
This came out last week and everyone has an opinion on it.
And so do we, but it's also like a nuanced opinion, I think.
I think so too.
Okay, let's talk about maybe some of the criticisms of this from conservatives, maybe.
This is from Mitch McConnell, a Republican Senate minority leader who told reporters that the president's move is a slap in the face to every family who sacrificed to save for college, every graduate who paid their debt, and every American who chose a certain career path or volunteered to serve in our armed forces in order to avoid taking on debt.
There's been a few other criticisms.
So I read this article from the Mises Institute and it mentions like some pitfalls of these kinds of debt relief programs.
One is that it could potentially increase tuition costs because if colleges are like, oh, well, people are going to get 10 grand back from the government anyways, why not increase tuition?
And apparently they did some studies based on, because this is not the first time that student debt has been like erased.
Yeah, I think there's something in the 90s or something.
Yeah, exactly.
So they did a bunch of, they did some studies.
I will post the link, but where they've proven that this happens.
So that's one potential pitfall.
And then the other one is like Nat just said, is the moral dilemma where is it fair?
And like that's a that's a fine argument.
If you pay off someone's debt, what's to say it doesn't encourage other people to just incur debt, knowing that they'll never have to pay it back.
Yeah.
There's just so much to unpack here.
But yeah, apparently if you mix $10,000 of debt per borrower, that would cost $290 billion in 2022 and $329 billion by 2031 if the policy is renewed each year.
So that's a lot of money.
So what happens when the government spends a lot of money?
Well, doesn't that raise the cost of living in general as well?
That would result in inflation, which is another fear that many people have.
And apparently less than 32% of the funding would benefit Americans in the two lowest income quintiles, while 42% would benefit those earning more than $82,000 per year.
So who's to say that someone who's already making decent money is going to exploit this system?
Fair enough.
However, there's a bunch of arguments for this.
And I'm mentioning it now because you just mentioned $82,000 a year.
That's not a lot of money.
No, these days.
But in America it is because the cost of living there is a lot cheaper than it is in Canada.
Depending on your state and city, of course.
Like I'm sure in New York City, that's not a lot of money.
Right.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
But in Canada, $80,000 is not a lot of money.
No.
So there are arguments against this.
And like Nat has said, a lot of conservatives are taking this stand.
And a lot of Christians I've seen, like Ali Bethsucki, make comments about how like this is unbiblical.
I don't really remember exactly what she said.
Yeah, we can talk about that a little bit later.
Yeah.
But the arguments for, so I will, I'd just like to start by like a personal note is we live in Canada and our universities are already subsidized by the government.
So if I got a philosophy degree, which I did, I get a philosophy degree in Canada.
It costs a lot less money than it does to get that in the United States.
So for any Canadian to be like, oh, that's atrocious is kind of a little bit silly because we already get subsidized schooling.
And personally, my parents paid for my school.
So it would be really, really hypocritical of me to be critical of this policy.
And I know how it feels to be in debt.
So if someone was like, hey, Catherine, I'm going to wipe your debt or give you $10,000, like which, you know, that would be lovely.
And I would say, yes, please, sir.
I agree.
See, I'm torn on this subject because I don't want inflation and I don't like it when the government intervenes.
I'm very into as little government as possible.
But when you're 18 years old, especially when we were growing up, there was a lot of pressure to go to university because either our parents had never been or all of our educators and everyone in our life was romanticizing this experience.
Most of us went to university and did not know what the hell we wanted to do, but we were philosophy.
Exactly.
I studied theater, okay?
We were pushed to go because that's just the normal thing to do.
So of course you're going to go and you're going to take your first couple years figuring it out, spending your student loan debt.
And then by year three, you're a little more mature.
You're a little older.
maybe figured it out if you haven't gone down the women's studies route and then it's like well it's not really your fault because you're you go from being a kid who has everything handed to them in high school out into the free world where you're supposed to make a huge decision for yourself So I think people should sympathize with that a little bit because these are young, impressionable kids and they're being forced to do something that they have no understanding of the future consequences.
Yes.
So exactly.
There's so much societal pressure, especially from like schools, like you just said.
In my school, I wanted to go to film school.
And my vice principal was like, no, you have to go to university because we want our, like all of our graduates to go to university.
And like he was a wonderful man, but I would have been way better off because that's now what I'm doing.
Yeah.
I would have been way better off going to film school right out of high school.
And also in the States, and I'm not sure if it's the same for Canada, probably is.
Student loans are the only type of loan that you can't clear through bankruptcy.
So you can buy too many horses and go bankrupt.
Whoopsie.
Whoopsies.
And then you get back your horses, you declare bankruptcy, and your debt is clear and you live your life and in a couple of years you can build yourself back up again.
Student loans, you take those to the grave.
Yeah, this author of this BuzzFeed article referred to it as an albatross around the necks of loanies who are barely treading water working to repay what they owe with no hope of getting ahead.
Because another, I think, argument for the loan repayment could be that the middle class is being completely eradicated in North America right now.
So when someone exits university and they get a job in marketing, let's say, for example, they're not necessarily going to be able to make meets end.
No.
So I think that's something that it's really severely lacking from the conservative side where they aren't being sympathetic to that element.
It's not like when our parents grew up, we've talked about this before.
When your mom became a teacher, she was making a lot more money.
Well, she actually became a teacher later in life.
When she graduated university, she paid her $300 rent.
No problem, because she was making about what I made at my first job, but that was in the 70s.
Right.
And her rent was $300.
Must be nice.
What's rent now?
Like $15 million?
$300.
There's your hydro and heat free of the month.
It's crazy.
Exactly.
Another argument for it is that universities in the United States profit billions of dollars a year.
Not every single one, but the main ones, the fancy ones.
That's a great point.
And no one wants to hold them accountable.
Exactly.
That's the thing.
So is the government the villain here or is it the universities who are literally, and that's profit.
That's not gross income.
That's not like, oh, they take it in, but they put it back.
No, they're literally net profiting billions of dollars a year every year.
Well, and don't you think one way to combat this, these high prices is maybe to not force kids to take so many stupid electives to get a degree?
Why did I need to do art history if I'm trying to become a scientist or something?
Or why did I need to take computer science if I was in theater history?
Yeah.
Like or philosophy.
Exactly.
And you have to buy the textbook.
Right.
And you have to, like, which usually is written by the professor.
Yeah.
That's a nice little thing.
And also it makes you stay in the school longer.
So if you're going to be in residence or you're renting a house or you're on a meal plan, all of that stuff adds up.
Yeah.
That's a great point I hadn't actually thought about.
I think one solution would just be to better equip our kids to guide them in a better direction.
Like if they don't know what they want to study, don't go to university.
Don't incur debt that you won't be able to pay back.
But again, like on the flip side of that, a lot of, apparently, a lot of conservatives have come out saying that a lot of people actually can repay the loans.
And these are the same people who are, you know, out there buying their avocado toast and their skims.
And it's like, well, you could also make some lifestyle adjustments.
I mean, I still have student debt that I'm paying off.
And I think you can find a balance between paying it off and living your life.
But if you're screaming and crying about your student loans, but you're out at SACS on the weekend, like maybe it makes it hard to sympathize with your case.
Yeah, I think it's a lifestyle thing, like a societal thing where we're pushing people to go into universities and colleges to get a woman's studies degree.
Exactly.
Then they're going to come out into the workforce and be like, who wants to hire me?
And everyone's like, nobody.
And then they're like, oh, but I'm still going to, like, you want to live your life.
So you're still going to go out for your stinking avocado toast that costs $30 with your friends and complain about your student debt.
Like, I totally see that as well.
It's like, our, our parents didn't go out for brunch.
That was not a thing.
So while my mom's rent was a lot cheaper and the cost of living was a lot cheaper.
Like, she's smarter with her money.
We, yeah, our generation is just like, oh, I have no money, but I also bought a $6 latte.
That's me.
It's because we pursue pleasure.
Like, we need to do things that make us expedient.
It's so true.
Yeah.
And it's about status too.
And going to university is a status thing.
Like, if you don't go to university, it's like, oh, what are you stupid?
It's like, no, actually, I'm going to go into trades and make six figures in two years.
Yeah.
It's so true.
And like, that's the thing.
Like, I believe in personal responsibility.
So your life is your fault to an extent.
Like, you have to hold yourself accountable because that's the only way you can pull yourself up by the bootstraps and make something of your life.
You know?
But I think maybe we should touch on that argument, the Christian argument.
So there was a viral meme that said, if you're a Christian and you're big mad about the possibility of student loan debt being canceled, let me remind you that the entirety of your faith is built upon a debt you couldn't pay that someone stepped in and paid for you.
So this is something, Ali Bestucki, it's a bit of a stretch.
It's a bit of a stretch because God made flesh and voluntarily sacrificed himself to pay the debt of our sins, which we could never pay.
So this would be forcing the transfer of debt onto taxpayers who it's not the country's job to pay for it.
It would be like if there were like a million people and then there's like a hundred Jesuses and they're like, we're going to sacrifice these hundred Jesuses to make these people.
It's like, well, that's not your choice, first of all.
Like it's, it's such a, it's a, it's a false equivalency, I would think.
Yeah, I think it is too.
Because the government, okay, so one of the things she said was loans are not canceled.
They're forgiven.
They would be absorbed by the taxpayer.
Student loan debt forgiveness is a forcible transfer of wealth from the working class.
According to WAPO, the plan will most benefit people in the top 60% of income distribution.
Brookens Institute found that 50% of all outstanding debt in the USA is owed by grad students.
So those are those lifetime students who are the worst kind of people.
They're the worst.
You're just getting a PhD in women's studies.
We all know it.
Like it's like you're just not ready to leave and become an adult.
Yeah.
Well, I felt that too.
Like, did you feel that when you were like leaving university and you're like, uh-oh, what now?
Like, I was pretty stressed.
And I went to college right after university to study more.
And it was a lot cheaper.
Yeah.
And it worked during it because my parents were like, yeah, done.
But it was very intimidating.
And I can understand why some people are like, I'm just going to stay in university and get my master's.
It's true, but when you're 35 and they're all 18 and those are your peers, it might be time to just move on.
Oh, for sure.
That's the thing.
Like, we don't need more schooling.
We don't need more intellectual people.
Just like, actually, like, that's why that's colonial and racist.
Like, we don't need more of that.
And that's what universities pretty much teaching.
And like, I would argue if you're not studying like STEM, don't go.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, don't go.
Law, for sure.
I agree because, I mean, we're pretty well self-made.
Like, we just worked.
I mean, we're obviously the most successful people.
I was pretty spoiled.
Like, I had to learn in my 20s how to manage my money.
And when my parents were like, you didn't sent you to university and now you have to figure it out.
Like, I was spoiled until a point.
And now it took me through my 20s to be like, oh, my God, like, life is tough.
But you figured it out.
And you worked hard and you've gotten to where you are because of that is my point.
Like, I dropped out of university.
I got a job in advertising and I worked my way up and now I'm here.
Like, you can do it.
And I think that's actually the smartest thing.
You go to school to get a job.
Why not just get a job?
Just get the job.
Just get the job.
Start at the bottom.
There are so many people that I know who took two-year courses at colleges and who are way ahead of me in their careers now.
Like, I'm catching up and I love my job and I have built the skills to do what I want to do.
But I could have done those things.
A lot sooner.
No, I totally gone to university.
Although that's where I met my husband.
Oh, I'm taking my pen.
I know.
Got to take out the pen.
I had a pen in my hair, but it's bothering me.
Okay.
Anyway, I think that this is a very nuanced.
And I don't think it's necessarily black and white, but I don't think that the taxpayer should be forced to pay back another person's debt.
I don't believe in forcing that on other people.
Yeah, that's where it's tough.
Yeah.
Because I do empathize.
And it's like, if you can fix someone's life, if someone is like still paying back their debt and they have like 20 more years to pay it and you can cut that in half for them, that's such a nice thing to do.
But at the same time, it's at the strong hand of the law.
Forcing that on people who are also struggling.
Like if taxes go up or if inflation increases and keeps going up, it's like now you're hurting everybody.
Yeah, including yourself.
Yeah.
So it's really only temporary satisfaction or temporary alleviation from a problem that's just going to follow you your whole life and it sucks.
But I don't know, get a second job.
Well, I think that we kind of hit it before where it's like the universities should be held accountable.
They should be like, I don't know what the answer is, but if you're paying $120,000 for a degree that's only going to get you a job that pays $60,000 for the next five years, like maybe the universities should fix that somehow.
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Yeah.
And I think start catching kids earlier so they have a better, a more clear path about what they maybe want to pursue and maybe get an understanding of what they will make out of university if that is a degree that will transfer to a proper skill in the workforce.
And don't let high schools or like teachers and administrators pressure you into going or your parents or anyone pressure you into going to school when it's not what, A, they're going to try and indoctrinate you into crazy leftist ideals.
And B, if you need it for the degree of for the job that you want, like let's build yourself, like let's sift through the people who are just going to go and who actually need to be there and then help those people be there.
But like someone, like you said, like getting their master's and their doctorate in women's studies, like maybe you don't need to be there.
No.
There's like Reddit threads for that, I'm sure.
Exactly.
You know?
Anyway.
Anyways.
Shall we move on?
Let's move on.
I think we've offended enough people.
Or have we?
Probably not, but we're about to.
Woo.
This is another fun one.
This will be fun.
This is going to have fun with this.
Always super fun.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So 10-year-old celebrated as youngest transgender model on New York Fashion Week runway.
You guys may recognize this face.
We talked about this child months ago.
Our fourth episode.
Yeah.
Misunderstood.
So it was like a million years ago.
That was a million years ago.
And once again, culture catches up with misunderstood.
Yeah.
We're always ahead of the curve.
Yeah, it seems like it.
So here's a little excerpt from the article.
Current Guardians, Ray and D. McMayer, told the publication that Noella, a biological male, began socially transitioning at the age of four.
Both parents identify as non-binary per Noella's Instagram account.
Okay.
Ooh.
All right, let's just, there's a lot to unpack in that first article.
That's first sentence.
Doozy.
So, first of all, a 10-year-old should not have an Instagram account.
Nope.
All right.
Probably ran by their parents, which is also weird because they're talking about their own identities through her Instagram account.
And, okay.
Socially transitioning at four.
She started, it says later in the article that she began expressing gender dysphoria at the age of two.
Oh, but how?
She just didn't want to wear boy clothes.
She just had tantrums about putting on clothes.
Oh, I wonder if other children.
No child has ever done that.
Have you ever seen a kid in their Halloween costume at the grocery store and it's not even close to Halloween?
Yeah.
I used to wear a tea towel on my head because my mom kept my hair really short and I wore a tea towel to have long hair.
She could have been like, she has hair dysphoria.
She needs surgical implants in her brain for more hair.
Well, that would have been the logical and loving response by your mother.
Yep.
Yep.
Right.
So two years old, four years old, not gender dysphoria.
That's just childhood.
And so it doesn't seem like the parents have pushed an agenda on their kids to non-binary parents who like to advertise.
Like if they're non-binary and they were just like, that's in the privacy of my own heart and our relationship.
But like, no, they're advertising that on Instagram through their child's Instagram account.
So the child is obviously aware of it.
And like we've said before on the show, children want to impress and please their parents.
So I'm non-binary and my kid is going to be like, oh, I'm non-binary too, mom.
Do you love me now?
And I'll be like, yes, Noella.
I finally love you because you're special.
You don't want to wear those boy clothes.
Let's straight to the gender clinic.
That's what they did.
She said she had a tantrum every time they tried to put her, the him, it, in boy clothes.
So they took her.
So instead of just getting the kid less masculine clothes, like you can do it.
I wore blue when I was a kid.
I loved blue and yellow shorts.
I loved baseball caps.
Like, that's okay.
Before doing that, they took the child to the gender clinic and they started socially transitioning two years later at four years old.
And I mean, further evidence that they are not pushing an agenda on their child is that they also have another child, which they call a baby.
They call their baby, their human baby, a baby because their baby is actually also non-binary.
Did you know that babies can choose their gender?
Can't talk, need help cleaning up their shit, literally, but they can choose their gender.
You must be so excited to be a mom.
These people are messed up.
Yes.
And the child needs to be thoroughly examined.
Yes.
And it's unfortunate because now this young model will have gender surgery at the age of 16, which they've already, it's like so six years from now.
You have no idea how they're going to feel in six years, but you've already decided for them, parents.
16 is so young.
You're still a child.
You're a child.
Goodness gracious.
And I guess the kid can only get the surgery with the parents' consent.
Or is it one of those places like in Canada where the kid can just say it and the parents will get arrested if they try to?
I'm sure there's a part of, there's an element of that, but let's just, another thing on the parents.
Dee McMaher, whatever, appears to be on hormone replacement therapy and recently had a cosmetic mastectomy.
Both she and her current partner are females who identify as trans masculine.
Like, seriously, pray for these children.
Honestly.
Like, oh, what are the chances?
It's just a pure coincidence that the child is trans.
Yeah.
Just a coincidence.
Let's say their little baby, their baby, grows up and it also decides decides that they're trans.
What are the statistics that you have two children who end up being transgender?
I feel like under parents that are transgender.
Exactly.
Like, come on.
Like, you're obviously influencing this kid.
Yes.
And I think that's disgusting and abusive.
In our previous conversation about this child, Noella, we kind of focused on the fact that they're modeling and as a toddler.
Well, 10-year-old's not a toddler, but I don't know when they started modeling.
Pretty young, I think.
I think it was younger than 10.
But anyway, 10 is still too young.
is super young and we equated it to like those like dance troops of little girls like who wear like belly tops and like fake eyelashes and it's like tans.
Yeah, and tans and like toddlers and tiaras.
And that's wrong, too, because that's what people are like, well, if you're okay with that, you should be.
I'm not.
We're not.
Yeah, we're not.
You know why?
Because it's exploiting your children.
And it's over sexualizing children dance without showing their midriffs.
In front of adults.
What's the room?
Who are they dancing in front of?
Who are the judges?
Yeah.
Who is this child runwaying in front of?
Exactly.
Who's in the back room changing them?
Putting on their makeup.
Like being like, oh, you did great, sweetie.
And like the fact, like one of the quotes is like, oh, did I write it down?
It was something like, oh, Noella really knows how to work the room.
It's like she's 10.
He or she, whatever.
Yeah.
Is 10 years old.
They shouldn't be working a room.
Like, unless it's just with their charm and like telling funny stories.
Like telling jokes.
And doing like a dance routine with their clothes on.
Yeah.
They shouldn't be like wearing midriffs and heavy makeup.
Heavy makeup, walking around and then going backstage.
Because you know I'm not a model, but I've seen the shows and they just strip back there.
They just, because there's no time.
Go to go, go to go, go to go.
So you're just taking your clothes off.
And it's like, that is so not a place for a child to be.
Never mind a gender-confused child.
Never mind one who has two gender-confused parents who are pressuring them and exploiting them and profiting off of them.
Because whatever this kid is getting paid, those parents are taking.
Oh, for sure.
It must be really, really wonderful for them to be able to market their child, their rare, special, unique child.
And of course, the dad is not in the picture, this Noella's biological dad.
And I blame him too.
I do as well.
Timothy McCord.
He apparently has no say in Noella's life.
And he was apparently resistant to his ex-wife's transition of their child.
Like, why isn't he, like...
He did lose custody.
Ah.
But why, though?
Like, maybe he's a shitty person.
So apparently he lost custody because he was trying to get Noella into boys' pajamas and it hurt Noella's arm.
So the moms, I think, I don't know the truth.
No one knows the truth, but the mom allegedly blew things out of proportion.
And then that was kind of ultimately what resulted in him losing custody.
So like he, you don't, you should not use force.
No, he talks to the kid.
And like, if the kid wants to wear girls' pajamas for a couple years, let them.
Like, you don't need.
It's jammies.
It's jammies.
Who cares?
Yeah.
Like, even if the kid wants to walk around in girls' clothing as a little boy for a couple years, like, let's confirm it, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
Like, you figure it out.
You don't need to change their name.
You don't need to put them like through gender surgery at 16 years old.
And the dad made an clearly, it sounds like he made a mistake in trying to force the kid because the kid, it was uncomfortable for the child and trying to overpower him.
And whether or not he hurt his arm, it's like, you're still wrong.
You're not being empathetic.
Like, just let him wear his jammies.
Who cares?
And as he grows and changes, this child will figure out who they are.
Yeah, it's hard when they're like, obviously, I'm assuming mom has had custody before maybe.
So this is the only chance he gets to maybe speak truth to his son.
I don't know.
Like, it's, I, I see.
There's a way to do it without like shoving a kid in pajamas and making them cry.
It's just so hard because like the government is just so against anyone who pushes back against this gender ideology and you cannot win.
Like they just cannot win against the state.
So a mom gets to say, yes, this is the truth.
And dad's basically just left in the lurch and he cannot, he cannot avoid.
He lost his son.
Yeah, like he can't do anything about it.
And like the government is, the government ain't going to help him.
Like it's just so.
And Noella is 16.
What if that child regrets what they did and the dad is like, I tried.
Like, I tried to tell you.
Maybe didn't go about it in the best way, but it's like in a couple of years when that kid's like 18 or 20, like I genuinely hope that they actually suffer gender dysphoria at this point because if they're going to go through this and have a surgery and take hormones, there's no coming back from it.
It's just a walking experience.
I genuinely hope that this person is completely invested in this new identity and not just that it's infectious.
I just don't think they could know as a child.
I agree.
I agree.
But I hope that they grow into it.
I hope that it's six because you're getting the surgery.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I just, this is just, I think, the biggest crisis.
It's so sad.
It's just a huge crisis.
And the more attention that this kid gets, the more like people cheer and like, oh, you work in the room, Noella.
That is not going to decrease the likelihood of this kid getting the surgery and it's not going to let this child figure out who they are on their own.
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On their own without a camp.
Yeah.
They need to be in the wilderness.
Christian camp.
Yeah.
They need to go to like a wilderness Christian retreat.
Yeah.
And like, and like make a fire and like talk to God.
And like, if they, if after that, and they're 18 and they grow up and they're like, you know what, I still want to do it.
Like, what, okay, what do I, I have nothing to say about it.
But they're so far from 18.
It's not even, they're 10.
Yeah.
And at this point, I think it's just abuse.
These parents are abusing their child and it's yucky.
And I, it's just so infuriating that people are, that they hate children so much.
Yes.
You know, anyways, speaking of infuriating, let's talk about Andrew Tate.
Who's that?
Who is that?
Who is that?
Honestly, I didn't know who this person was.
Me either.
But apparently, girls are breaking up with the boys because of him.
So in doing like very, very preliminary research, he was a kickboxer and he was on season 17 of Big Brother and got kicked off after a video surfaced of him beating a girl with a belt, which later on turns out that she says it was consensual and like they were like dating or something.
So no, there was no charges against him at the time.
He then started a webcam company and paid women.
I don't even know if he paid them actually.
I wrote paid women, but they lived.
They worked for him.
They worked for him and they lived in his house and they were cam girls and they exploited men by like telling them that their dad was sick and like, can you please send me more money?
I need like extra cash.
And then that money would end up going to Andrew Tate and that's how he became a millionaire.
Yes.
He has several allegations of sexual assault, rape, and an investigation that took place in early 2022 over the possibilities of trafficking after a 21-year-old American woman told authorities that the Tate brothers kidnapped her.
So him and his brother, Tristan, I think his name is, worked together.
So there's two of them.
There's two of these wonderful men.
There's this famous quote of his that people are saying, passing around.
He said, I'm not a rapist, but I like the idea of being able to just do what I want.
I like being free.
Okay.
Okay.
So.
That sounds like an upstanding.
Yeah.
So my take on Andrew Tate, which I had to think about it because at first.
The tape take.
The tape take.
At first, I was like appalled.
Naturally.
You know, still sort of am.
He sounds like a real arsehole, a real arsehole.
He does not sound like a nice person.
Doesn't sound like he'd be a good dad.
Doesn't sound like a good Christian.
He sounds like a dick.
However, just because I and other people think he's a dick, does that mean that he should be banned from social media?
And that's kind of the question because recently our next article is from BuzzFeed News.
Twitter is full of memes of Andrew Tate being banned from different places.
The memes are stupid.
They're all the same meme.
They're literally these.
They're not funny.
They're the same meme, just with different photos.
But I don't think that he should be banned from social media.
I don't think that banning someone who you disagree with is a smart idea because if this person is spewing poison into the world, we should at least be aware of it.
Well, especially because it's like social media sites are so quick to ban this person, but there's so many creeps and groomers online that just get to run free and indoctrinate your children.
So it's, and it's not to defend this person because I do think he's a total creepy.
I mean, we should go through maybe some of the things he said.
And he has rules for women, which are always, that's what we want as women in society rules.
So here's just a couple of them if we want to.
It's absolutely disrespectful for a woman to be with a man and then want to run around with her girls and pretend she's still single.
So I think he means going out for boozy brunch with your girlfriends.
Is that what it?
I don't know.
Leave brunch out of it, sir.
Yeah, leave brunch out of it.
A man can only cheat if he loves someone else.
This is a good one.
Yeah, he said having sex with another woman is just exercise.
So rude.
Yeah.
Don't date him.
That's my advice.
Don't date him.
Don't date this guy.
And don't, maybe don't hang out with him.
Don't hang out with him.
Maybe, you know, if you're a girl.
So apparently girls are breaking up with their boyfriends because their boyfriends like Andrew Tate.
They like Andrew Tate.
And there's some TikTok trend going around where girls ask their boyfriends if they know who he is and if they follow him or listen to him or whatever they are dumping him, which seems a bit unreasonable.
Like maybe your relationship is a little more stable than that.
Maybe you're an idiot for a dating someone who's so like who is idolizes an internet person.
Yeah.
So he's not God.
He's not God.
He's not.
He should be idolizing the one true Lord.
Maybe.
That's really embarrassing because he's like a reality show guy who like exploits women.
So like it's like if we were obsessed with Paris Hilton and we were like, she is the end all be all.
I'm going to do whatever she says.
Yeah, exactly.
Whatever she does, I'm going to do a sex tape.
I'm going to do it.
Exactly.
And men would be so quick to criticize any woman who like, you know, blindly followed a celebrity.
But yet when men do it, it's like.
Yeah, it's a marriage.
So if you're, if your man idolizes him in an actual like I like idolizes him, then y'all have a problem.
Also, if your boyfriend is a super misogynist and is abusing you, you also have a problem.
And that wouldn't blame Andrew Tate for that.
Yeah.
It's kind of on him and on you for being with him.
Personal responsibility if you're a little bit of that.
I mean, but it kind of speaks to the fact that in our society, people are so lost and purposeless.
So, you know, women, we get caught up in like the self-love movement and all that.
But with men, I think there's a lot of positivity.
Exactly.
And so when men, when it comes to masculinity, it's kind of like it's just, it can go so far to the other side where it becomes toxic.
And we know that there's an attack on men in our society.
And this is what is produced from that.
Right.
It's because these bad actors are, they have a big following and they're setting a bad example for men.
And I guess with so many young people being unsupervised on the internet, it's become even more of a problem.
And we've seen that in the transgender movement with young girls on Tumblr and all those things.
It's literally like he's like the male version of like an ecofeminist who's like, I'm not going to have children because the earth is going to be burnt down in 30 years.
It's like, that's toxic.
Yeah.
And he's toxic.
And both are very stupid.
But it's just funny because I feel like women are playing into this where they're like, I saw there was a video on Sky News where this like author of something about like internet misogyny or dangers of avoiding internet, something or other.
She calls Andrew Tate and his followers incels.
Oh.
Which is totally a misrepresentation because he's a womanizer.
You literally can't be a womanizer and an involuntary celibate at the same time.
Like it's just like this girl is on the news.
And she's completely like I am.
I did two seconds of research and I'm like, well, he's not an incel.
Like he has girlfriends.
He exploits women.
That's not an incel, my love, my precious angel.
And it kind of gets confusing.
And that's what happened to Trump.
Yeah, it's so true.
You start calling him an incel and all these horrible things and it's really hard.
It's like not saying, I think.
It's very confusing and really hard to pick out the truth.
It is.
He's a jerk.
Yeah.
And he's not an incel.
And the thing is, if this person is as horrible as the internet claims he is, then that's good.
And we should want to call that out.
But I think we should be reasonable because we don't want to spread misinformation.
All you progressives out there hate misinformation.
That's what she's doing.
Yeah.
Like we need the fact checkers on these legacies, you know?
And I think like, I've heard Joe Rogan say this, and I'm sure he didn't come up with it, but it's like, you got to fight bad ideas with good ideas.
So if we ban Andrew Tate from the internet, we don't know what crap he's spewing anymore.
What you need to do is if you actually think that Andrew Tate is trafficking women or raping women, like keep an eye on him.
Definitely the powers that be should definitely be keeping an eye on him and watching what he does.
And the second that he commits a crime, it'll be a lot easier to tell what he's doing when people are following him and looking at him and he's posting stuff on the internet than if he's doing it in the darkness of the shadows.
But by banning him, you're not saving anyone.
His followers will just follow him.
And now I didn't know who he was.
No.
And now I do.
He was on Tucker Carlson, you guys.
For God's sakes, you guys.
And that's your fault.
And now our fault because we're talking about him too.
But it's like, we didn't, nobody knew who he was a month ago except for a bunch of crazy guys who want to go to Hustler University.
And now everyone knows who he is.
I think the problem is, though, with the right and the left is that, okay, so the left's calling this person out.
So conservatives automatically feel as though they need to defend him.
And it's like, maybe he has some decent ideas about masculinity to an extent.
Maybe he's like super anti-like pandemic.
Sure.
Like I can give him credit where credit's due.
But if someone's a bad guy, you shouldn't be blowing smoke up his ass.
Your ideas shouldn't ban you.
Your actions should.
And unless you're calling for actual violence against people or like doxing people, you should be able to talk freely on the internet until you're committing crime in real life.
Because if he's a creep.
He's going to exploit, like, give him the rope to hang himself with.
Yeah, exactly.
He's going to expose himself.
And he, no one care, no one should care about him, but we care.
More people know who Andrew Tate is now than they did a month ago because of all this.
And that's exactly what he wants.
Now he's on Tucker.
And now he's on Misunderstood.
World Renowned Show.
World renowned.
It's Tucker and Misunderstood.
And it's like, it's like some race.
It's like, we don't know what they're doing.
They're rating that they're just constantly.
They're always fighting against each other.
sucks um so we do apologize for um making this person more famous but it's important to talk about because i think the key could could just be and obviously we're part of the problem but like we're a huge part of the problem But when conservatives see these things happen, just like shut up about it.
We don't need to comment on everything.
And also there's some nuance.
Just because lefties hate him doesn't mean you have to support him.
And just because we support, like, conservatives support him doesn't mean I have to support him and et cetera.
And it can be nuanced.
If you can have a nuance.
I think that's healthy.
And if feminists can be toxic, then you can bet your bottom dollar that men can be too.
Conservative men should be calling that out.
Yes.
Okay.
100%.
Okay.
Y'all talk about masculinity all the time.
will call out the bad stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
He's not a good, he is not a good guy.
He doesn't treat women very great.
But do we ban bad people from the like the town square that is social media so that we don't know what they're thinking and who's following them?
No, not unless he's a criminal.
Exactly.
And then you'll lock him up behind bars like an animal.
Let him do that.
Yeah.
Stupid.
It's pretty stupid.
Yeah.
I think that's the sure.
I think that's the sure.
That's the sure.
We covered a lot today.
Yeah.
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