Sheila Gunn Reid argues younger conservatives, especially women, misunderstand Roe v. Wade’s overturning, dismissing myths like constitutional abortion rights while framing it as a state-level democracy issue. Kat Krozonouski and Nat Biase critique pro-choice hypocrisy—celebrities like Wanda Sykes, men avoiding responsibility (e.g., Barstool Sports’ Dave Portnoy), and "sex strikes" as performative reactions. They link abortion access to Epstein’s crimes via Ghylaine Maxwell’s conviction, questioning why feminist outrage ignores child exploitation while targeting pregnancy rights. The episode urges conservative women and Christians to reject moral relativism, even amid backlash, and mocks progressive virtue signaling like Trudeau’s straw ban. Democracy, they claim, demands aligning laws with actual values—not just personal convenience or woke agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
So joining me now from two different spots in Toronto are the ladies who host Misunderstood, Kat and Nat.
Ladies, thanks for joining me.
I wanted to have you on the show because we've had a few victories in the culture war in the last seven days, and I make no bones about it that I've somewhat checked out of the culture war.
And a lot of these things are affecting, well, not affecting, I think they affect everybody, but it's your generation who seem to be the loudest and most disgruntled about so many things that I don't think they truly understand, but you do.
So first I wanted to get your reactions about the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
I see a lot of people who are angrily twerking for justice.
It's like the modern St. Vitus dance.
And I really don't think they fully understand what just happened because a lot of them think it's happening to them.
And it's really not.
You see these mass protests in LA and you see mass protests in DC and nothing is going to change in those places.
Mass protests in New York, they're going to be aborting babies right up until retirement age.
So I don't think much is going to change there.
So I guess why don't they understand?
What's the problem here?
Nat, you want to go first?
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
So Kat and I actually touched on this in the most recent episode of Misunderstood and we debunked some of the four main myths that are kind of being perpetuated by the pro-abortion or pro-choice side.
And I think like they've just been screaming the same lies for so long.
And I think that especially a lot of these women or girls who are so deeply offended by it are in university.
And as we know, university is basically an indoctrination camp for these women.
So I think that that's part of it.
Like there's just no way for these women to access what's really what the, you know, the overturning of Roe v. Wade actually means because this, the people on the left, the pro-abortionists are just screaming so loud these lies.
And yeah, I just think that the truth is getting lost.
Like it's, it's insane.
I don't really know.
I don't really know how we can punch through it really other than people like us talking about it and trying to debunk the lies.
Yeah.
Let's just go off of that.
Like some of the, I won't go through all the myths, but one of them is that they have lost constitutional rights.
And there was never a constitutional right to get an abortion.
In fact, Roe v. Wade, as I'm sure we all know, was actually about the privacy that a woman has in getting an abortion.
So it was more of a privacy matter that was, they felt was constitutionally protected under Roe v. Wade.
And I think I'm not a legal expert, but I'm assuming that they were looking at what was going on now.
And they're like, okay, the point of the, of Roe v. Wade is not being actually used properly because it was a privacy issue.
And it was funny because I saw someone on Twitter make this comment.
So it's not my original thought, but it was really poignant.
This person was like, AOC says the Supreme Court has no right to dictate what we do with our bodies.
And they're like, yes, exactly.
Like, that's exactly what the Supreme Court is saying.
They're like, it's not a federal, it's not the federal government's job to dictate abortion laws.
It's a state level issue.
So that's exactly what they're doing.
And they're like, it's like they're not even listening to what's going on.
Yeah.
You know, you see them saying that this is anti-democratic when it's completely the opposite for people who may be getting all their news from the mainstream media.
Overturning Roe v. Wade in and of itself does not ban abortion.
What it does is it turns an issue that always should have been in the hands of the states back to state legislatures where elected and accountable people, people who are accountable to the people who elected them, will vote to make a decision.
And if they make a decision that the people don't like, those people will become unelected.
That is the definition of democracy.
But for the left, it feels as though they think democracy means doing the things that they want you to do, not, you know, reacting to the will of the people.
Yeah.
I think they actually equate the word democracy with like leftism progressivism.
It's like authoritarianism.
Yeah, exactly.
If it's not woke, it's not democratic.
It's like, well, sometimes democracy leans the other way.
That's the beauty of democracy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think they've totally like erased what the meaning of that word means, which is what the left does is just confuse everyone with these made-up definitions, you know?
Yeah, it's true.
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We see it all the time when they change the meaning of words.
They're doing it all the time with vaccination status.
It used to be, you know, fully vaccinated.
Now it's up to date, whatever that means.
It's pretty clever.
Now, and I think that some of the misunderstandings, I don't think that's maybe even the right word, because I think there is purposeful misleading, and then there are people who maybe consume a little bit too much mainstream media who just don't know any better.
And then you sort of pile on pop culture on top of that, who are just perpetuating the lie.
And over the last little bit, I mean, I know celebrities are not mensa members by and large, but I've really seen a lot of stupid hot takes lately.
Wanda Sykes was one of them where she said, you know, this is anti-democratic.
She said, you know, I have a daughter.
Yeah, you have a daughter.
And so you, but you're, I just, I look at these sometimes crusty old women.
Really, they are.
They're crusty old women.
And I've never met like a woman who is a grandma who didn't just viscerally love babies, like have this insane reaction when you see a baby or a grandchild.
But these progressive, crusty old ladies, they are marching in the streets for their grandchild to be exterminated.
And it is the most bizarre thing.
And then you see Wanda Sykes and all of them saying, well, I have a daughter and what?
You have a daughter and what?
Finish that sentence for me, please.
And they never quite get there.
No.
And did you guys see that picture of the woman who's protesting?
I don't know which city it was in, but she's very pregnant and she wrote on her belly, not yet a human.
Yeah.
And it's like, and she had a kid in her arms in one of the other photos.
And it's like, can we look in on her?
Like, when does it become a human to her?
The moment it comes out?
Like, how is that scientific at all?
And it's like, how are you treating the infant fetus inside of you if you don't think it's human?
Are you drinking?
Are you smoking?
Are you like, are you doing drugs?
Like, what, what are you doing to protect that not human life growing inside you?
And like, what are you doing differently for the child that you're holding in your arms that is human magically the day it comes out?
It's so strange.
Yeah, I always find it so confusing when people who have held, like carried a child to term are confused on the abortion debate.
It's like you've, you've seen the sonograms, you've heard the heartbeat, you gave birth.
Like you, I just don't understand how these people aren't on the pro-life side.
It's confusing to me.
I think it goes to a broader problem with the culture, and that is that your feelings change reality.
We see this all the time with the transgender debate.
And again, I say, I'm live your life however you want.
I don't care.
I'm too busy to care.
Except insofar as you use the government to make me care, or you rob opportunities from girls, or you want to put on some cleats and hit girls on a Saturday instead of play against boys.
But you see people who say, well, I feel that, therefore, I am that.
And that whole attitude is completely being replicated in the abortion debate where you say, okay, well, I want this child.
Therefore, it is a child.
If I don't want this child, even though we're at the same like date of gestation, that humanity is predicated on somebody else's feelings for you.
And I think that's a very dangerous place to be.
Yeah, I think a part of it is like spiritual too.
Like, I mean, the reaction we're seeing is like almost demonic, like just in the nash.
Yeah, exactly.
Like almost, I don't know, nash is a little generous.
Yeah, I am being too nice, maybe, but it's just, it's honestly, it's horrifying to see these people like, and I don't mean it in like a physical sense, but like they just look ugly, like just spiritually, these protesters, like there's just something so often like deranged about it.
So I definitely think like, you know, the Prince of Lies is definitely has a hand in this game for sure.
And I think that's part of the reason too, other than just the feeling aspect that people are so confused and why this is so chaotic when it just really doesn't need to be.
Like it's such an like it's pro you're pro-life.
Do you care about like innocent beings?
Yes, great.
Like that's all it should be really.
Like let's not murder babies.
I don't know why it's so controversial.
You know, I think the whole ethos around it though is, you know, and I'm going to get letters, but I'm just quoting the things I know that it is satanic in the sense of the church of Satan, where the mantra is do what thou wilt.
And I'm seeing a lot of that, that just, if it feels good, do it.
This is just self-care, which is just being selfish.
But that's how we are framing this issue of human life and personal responsibility, that it's do what thou wilt.
And we see it.
Jeremy, our friend Jeremy Lafredo did a really great video.
And I don't know where Jeremy falls down on this issue.
And I don't think it matters because his work was very clear.
He was interviewing a girl getting a streeter in New York.
And the girl said something along the lines of, well, I'm not, I guess I'm just not going to have casual sex with everybody anymore.
And I'm like, yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I've been, that's what I've been saying.
Good call.
Yeah, you're coming around to my way of thinking.
And, you know, people are suddenly thinking that they can punish others by accepting personal responsibility.
It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.
But you know what?
I welcome it.
I can't wait.
Yeah, we talked about that on the show as well.
And Matt made a good point.
It's like whenever they say, whenever you see a woman saying, well, I'm not going to have casual sex anymore.
It's like, so you're admitting that you use abortion as contraceptive.
Like you're admitting that now, because if you can't get an abortion, then you don't want to risk having sex.
Like, yeah, that's how it should have been.
You should never use it as a contraceptive.
That's totally evil and disgusting.
Yeah.
Plus, like everybody knows one of the implications of sex is pregnancy.
Like it's not, it's not rocket science.
Not new either.
Yeah, it's not new.
And it's funny to see the celebrities.
Again, I say, they're really showing me exactly how stupid they are sometimes.
But Pink, for example, she's saying, you know, like pro-lifers can't listen to her music.
Beal.
Yeah.
I haven't listened to her music since I was 13 years old.
So yeah.
And Billy Joe Armstrong.
So someone from my era, he's saying that he's, you know, ashamed to be American and he's renouncing his American citizenship.
And I think, why are you threatening all these people with a good time?
Because nobody knew who you were until you said something stupid about abortion and renounce your citizenship over abortion.
And I think he did it in the UK, where are there more, there are more strident restrictions on abortion than in his home state of Los Angeles, where you can, I think, you can abort a child up until graduation there.
Natt and I have also talked about how like, and I think maybe with you as well, Sheila, how there's nothing creepier than like a super pro-abortion male, like the president of Barstool Sports, who I kind of like, he put out a video supporting abortion and it's, he is notorious for dating younger women and sleeping around a lot.
So it's like, I saw this funny meme that was like him calculating his child payments that he would have to make if all those women had babies.
And it's like, we see right through that, like to be a good man, you impregnate a woman, you support the child and you support the woman and you build a family.
But these men are not capable of doing that.
They don't want to do that, but they don't want to give up the sex, though.
So the only thing that they can do is say, get an abortion, get an abortion.
And now they're all like pro, super hardcore pro abortion.
It's like, of course you are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How convenient.
Yeah.
Ezra said that his, he's that bar, the guy from Barstool Sports is, he's pro-choice because it fits his lifestyle, not for any sort of moral or ethical reason or what I struggled to say those words with regard to the pro-choice side, but I mean, he doesn't come by his opinions on this, honestly.
It's just a purely a selfish lifestyle reason for him.
And, but it's interesting to see all these people admitting that they treat other human beings like meat sacks, which is really what this comes down to.
So you admit that, you know, you just have this promiscuous, kind of gross lifestyle, non-committal.
Everybody involved is disposable, including the accidental child.
And, you know, that their reaction to it is to say, well, maybe I just won't do that anymore.
And I'm supposed to be upset about that.
I'm like, perfect.
Yeah.
That's have some responsibility and be more conscientious about who you sleep with.
Like that, that's supposed to hurt me.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
And a lot of them are like threatening that they're going to sex strike.
And it's like, good.
Maybe we don't want your spawn.
Like maybe it's good for you to just like maybe take a break.
But maybe take a break.
Like maybe take a wake up a bit.
Yeah.
Go on a detox from your bad lifestyle and maybe you'll get some moral clarity.
Like, yeah, go on to, please do Just for yourself, not just for me, because I think how you're living is kind of gross and bad for everybody involved, but do it for yourself.
Treat yourself with a little bit of dignity.
Yeah, and you never hear.
Sorry, go ahead.
Oh, no, I was just going to say it's a good point because, like, you kind of mentioned the self-love kind of movement.
And it's like, actually, the most loving thing you can do for yourself is take care of yourself and, you know, try to work hard, build towards things that are productive and fruitful, not empty and, you know, temporarily satisfying.
So, yeah.
And I was going to say, you don't, you never, you know, how in the vaccine discussion, you hear people clogging up the medical system if they go to the hospital and they haven't been vaccinated, but you never hear the argument people who have promiscuous sex are clogging up the medical system when they go to the STD clinic and use up all the antibiotics or whatever.
Like you never hear people talking about medical care in that sense, where it's like use getting using nurses' time for your abortions or going and getting your whatever treatments you have for the STDs you're catching.
Like no one cares about that.
It's all about self-power and self-love.
But with certain things, everyone's so concerned about the medical system and all the time and energy people are taking up.
It's like, that's interesting.
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Yeah.
And just, you know, it's funny you bring that up because you think about the moral judgment placed on people who get COVID, people who are unvaccinated and then they get COVID.
And those people get fingers pointed at them as though it is some arbiter of their moral character that they got sick.
You know, but if you got vaccinated and got sick, well, you're a good person, but if you were unvaccinated and got sick, you're a bad person.
And then we have all these other people over here making these disgusting lifestyle choices.
And it is, you know what?
It's just healthcare.
It's just healthcare and they should have access to health care.
And don't judge them.
Yeah, it's such a double standard.
But we're used to that as conservative women.
Right.
Yeah.
Now, I wanted to, enough about that.
Great win for the culture war.
And, you know, it was 50 years in the making, by the way, and you never saw any budging, no budging on it.
It seemed actually that it was just going to get worse and worse and worse.
And I think a lesson for the conservative movement, and I say small C conservative movement, is never stop fighting those battles because it's like putting water behind a dam all the time.
And you never know which droplet of water is just going to cause the dam to break and then wash the evil from the face of the earth in a biblical sense.
Anyway, let's move on from that to just, I think it was yesterday as we're recording this, Ghylaine Maxwell was convicted.
And sort of without a lot of fanfare, it's like, oh, she's convicted.
Oh, she got a three-quarter of a million dollar fine.
She's going to spend a couple of decades in jail.
She's going to get credit for time served.
So she's going to get 240 months.
The judge said a sentence of 240 months is sufficient and no graver than necessary.
So that's 20 years, probably won't serve it all.
But what bothers me about this is that we don't know her client list.
And besides the fact that this woman is absolutely evil, you want to talk satanic.
This is her.
She is the Carla Homalca in all of this, where you have this evil man, but his crimes could not have been possible without the evil woman running cover for all of it.
She was the reason those girls got into a car and said, yeah, I'll come back.
Yeah, I want to train to be a masseuse, whatever.
It's because they had this woman who seemed safe.
Same reason teenage girls got in a car and ended up dead at the hands of Paul Bernardo.
That she's the Carla Homalka in all of this.
But what really bothers me and what really sends my little conspiracy theories just wild is that we are not talking about who yeah.
Yeah, we're not talking about who the clients are here.
And that leads me to believe that they are some very, very, very important people.
Yes, I couldn't agree with you more.
I think it's so disgusting that like, again, I agree that.
Ghillene Maxwell should be held accountable and punished for her crimes, but it's super weird that the only person who's actually going to serve time for these crimes is a woman when she wasn't the one doing the actual raping, right?
Like she, she's just as culpable.
But who are exactly like, who are the clients?
And I totally agree that I think they're powerful people who are currently in power and that we're not going to find out who they were until they're either dead or out of power.
And we're all like, I'll be like 70 and then we'll find out, oh, it was the, it was, you know, the president of whatever.
I don't want to name names because that's, you know, but it will find out who these people are and we'll all be like kind of shocked, but not really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of powerful men right now getting away with a lot of horrible, horrible things and a lot of scared women who are not coming forward either, who are victimized because they know these men are powerful enough to crush them.
And where are the feminists?
Once again, where are the feminists?
Nowhere.
They're in DC protesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kind of like when you see, sorry, go ahead.
No, go, go.
I was just going to say this whole, both of these conversations remind me of the pride parade that took place last week and all of the drag shows that we've seen leading up to it.
And that nobody really cares about children at the end of the day.
Like these girls that were the victims of Ghillene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, they were children for the most part, young women and children.
And the victims of abortion are children.
And no one cares about children.
And we see that all the time when you like in Toronto, there was a man walking fully nude down the street with a Bugs Bunny mask on, completely naked.
And in any other situation, that's a crime.
But during pride, it's okay.
And there are children in the audience.
And that's like no one cares.
No one cares about children.
And it's like so obvious.
It's crazy.
It's just so crazy to me.
Yeah, we always talk about that on the show.
Allie Bestucci, I think she coined the term that children are always unconsenting subjects to our like adult weird experiments.
And I think we're seeing just such a blatant attack on children in the last few years, even with COVID.
You could even throw that in there, the restrictions and how that impacted kids.
Like it's so crazy how our society just like hates them and doesn't want to protect them.
And that's our duty as adults and as conservatives and as Christians, like it's insane.
Yeah, I remember my philosophy when my kids were little and I reject the fact that they're grown up.
They're not all grown up.
But when they were little, you know, if they wanted to wear a Batman costume to the grocery store, my philosophy was you're only little once.
Pretty soon the world is going to be putting all these stupid rules on you and making you care about stuff that you shouldn't care about when you're little.
And it happened so fast that I just, you know, if you wanted to dress up in a princess costume, because we're going to the superstar, who cares, right?
But now there's this desire to treat children like little adults.
Except when they are adults, then we infantilize them.
It's quite bizarre.
You know, we have like 30-year-olds living in their parents' houses and the parents are paying all their bills.
But at the same time, we're like, yeah, that little person should be perfectly fine with nudity.
And if we've done enough to confuse them about their gender, let's get them some surgery.
They're 12, but who cares?
They're old enough to make these decisions.
Yeah.
And it's just, it's the slippery slope to pedophilia.
Like it's, it's, we conservatives were saying this 10 years ago.
And it's just, we've come so far down the slope and it's like only a couple more meters to go.
And it's absolutely, absolutely terrifying.
Yeah.
And I think going back to one of your earlier points, Sheila, that's why it's so important for us to continue to speak up about these and not be silent because who knows when things will shift.
I think it's the pendulum has swung so far.
Like the world is in such an evil, evil state, despite the victory of Roe v. Wade overturning.
Like people are just so depraved.
And I think that conservatives need to do more.
And specifically women too, just speaking out about these issues that really affect us and our kids and our future kids.
Yeah, you know, I don't think we should let the depraved, immoral people speak for us.
And it reminds me of something Ezra always makes me watch.
Every time I see him in person, he will make me watch the ash conformity test.
Has he cornered you in the office and made you watch this yet?
Okay, it's coming.
I'm going to write it down.
It's coming.
And it's, you know, it's an experiment where it was done by people who wanted to sort of investigate why the Holocaust happened, why this seemingly sort of well-educated population went along with things that they knew were evil.
And it's, you know, it's a group of people.
And when you have to answer in a group something, the first person answers wrong, and then the second person answers wrong.
And you're the third person.
And you know, the answer is different, but you say the wrong answer anyway.
And it's the impact of a crowd and peers and even peer pressure that you don't have, but you perceive that you're having.
But if you were able to write your answer down, you would write the answer you knew to be true.
And it's a test about conformity.
And I think, and all it took was one person to say, no, that's actually wrong.
Like you guys are getting this wrong to break that sort of conformity.
Ezra calls it a mind virus.
That's what the convoy did.
You know, everybody was feeling the same way as the convoy, but these people stood up and said it's wrong.
And I'm not going along to get along.
And that's why all the other people are like, yeah, you know what?
Us too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Us too.
And I think it's the same thing with the culture war, where, you know, the more people who speak up, the more people break that conformity.
And then there does become strength in numbers, that strength of moral conviction when there's more people speaking up.
So it's incumbent on us.
If we want to give power and voice to those other people, we want them to find their voice.
We've got to talk about these things, even when it's unpopular, even when people are saying, you know, like, you girls are a bunch of misogynists because you like babies.
You know, like, we have to speak up because I think there are more of us than them, as our friend Matt Brevner saying.
Yeah, especially as Christians, you know, we're called to be bold as lions.
And I think like we just got to have big shoulders and give it to God.
And, you know, just that's how we power through and pick up our cross, so to speak, and just, you know, trudge through because we have eternity to look forward to, you know, so whatever fiery dart is cast our way on earth, like we can handle it because of him, you know, him being Jesus.
Don't want to infuse that yet.
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Well, ladies, I know that they need the studio in Toronto.
I want to thank you so much for the work that you do to bring a little bit of normal commentary to your generation.
Sometimes I feel like younger people are a lost cause.
But then I look at my kids and their friends and I realize, no, it's just the loud crazy people that are just, I find annoying and they end up on the news all the time.
But like the ash conformity test shows us, once you start speaking up, you know, I think we're the mainstream.
I think you guys, your opinions are the mainstream.
We just have to give more people the confidence to speak up.
And that's why it's important to have confident young ladies like you on TV all the time.
Thanks, ladies, for the work that you do.
And thanks for taking the time today.
Thank you, Sheila.
And thank you for repping the brand.
I see that you're wearing your misunderstood sweater.
Is that so cozy?
You know what?
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That's great.
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Thank you.
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This week, though, we are randomly going over to the comment section on the Rumble video of my story about how Justin Trudeau is now labeling plastic straws as Schedule I toxins, banning single-use plastics, and plastic straws are going to be held behind the counter and out of view, the same way we treat cigarettes in this country.
And you have to go to the counter and you have to say, please, can I have some plastic straws?
You're probably going to ask for your doctor's note about why you need them.
And then they're going to reach underneath over the counter and get them for you.
It's the most bizarre thing.
We're an absolute laughing stock in the world.
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We've got some great viewer feedback on this one.
Rumble one D me123 writes, the hypocrisy of all this packaging by weight, not volume, while that product only fills half the size of the package, such as cereal.
Many items are shipped in packages triple its size, but that's mainly recyclable.
Single-use plastics have to be thought out because plastic takes so long to break down.
It's worth a discussion, but Trudeau has to go.
Look, I completely agree with you that we are using too much plastic to package up too many things.
But I'm not sure that's got anything to do with the convenience of single-use plastic grocery bags and straws.
And I don't even, I don't even really use straws.
I just think it's so stupid to ban them because you think my Alberta straws are going to somehow end up in a river in India or the Philippines.
And if they do end up in a river in the Philippines, it's because the Canadian government shipped our garbage there for some reason.
I am not even all that pro-recycling.
I think recycling is kind of an energy-intensive scam.
I'm pro-incineration.
Did you know that in Burnaby, British Columbia, where all the anti-pipeline activists go to protest the Trans Mountain Pipeline, they have an incineration facility where they burn the garbage to create electricity.
And I think this is a wonderful use for plastic because plastic, you can use it once for its intended purpose and enjoy it as you use it.
But then when it becomes garbage, you get to incinerate it and create energy.
And all the while, while you're moving it from one place to another for one use to another, it remains a perfect inert garbage.
It doesn't leak.
It's not toxic.
And it's not even heavy.
Plastic is amazing.
So do I think we produce too much garbage?
Generally speaking, yes.
Am I a fan of recycling?
Depends.
Not so much with plastic.
Is the plastics band stupid and just useless virtue signaling that will sort of serve to decimate the entire Canadian plastics industry?
Yup.
And I don't think that's worth it at all.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.
Thanks to everybody in the studio in Toronto for putting the show together.