Miss Understood No. 19: The Hollywood Edition dissects FINA’s transgender swimming ban, Disney’s alleged LGBTQ+ censorship in films, and the rise of retroactive queer casting (e.g., Maisie Williams’ Arya Stark claim). They mock Kesha’s non-binary identity post and Tom Hanks’ Oscar gatekeeping, while critiquing surrogacy as a privileged alternative to motherhood—contrasting Jamie Chung’s approach with celebrities like Cameron Diaz who prioritized family over fame. Hollywood’s "woke" shift, they argue, has replaced genuine art with performative messaging, killing romantic comedies and proving fame now hinges on ideology rather than talent. [Automatically generated summary]
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Today we're going to be talking about Okay I'm done with that Today, we're going to be talking about the fall of Hollywood.
Why are all the characters gay?
And what the heck is going on with the actors?
But first, our patented culture shock moment of the week.
Take it away, Net.
Yeah, so everyone in Hollywood might be gay and trans, but now Leah Thomas is having a bit of an ish.
Fina bans transgender swimmers, including Leah Thomas, from women's events now.
I guess that Olympic dream is quite far away there, Leah.
Yeah, wouldn't it be funny if Fina banned transgendered swimmers, but not Leah Thomas?
Like, she can come, though.
Yeah, that would be interesting.
Although, I think this is a huge win for women.
And basically, I guess the new policy for eligibility is that you have to have not experienced puberty past 12.
Yeah.
Which obviously, if you look, take a nice look at Leah Thomas, gorgeous gal that she is, you can tell that puberty, puberty has happened for that one.
So yes, just based on the wingspan, just the wingspan alone.
But you know, this is a good step forward, but now let's get those biological males out of prison, huh?
Women's prisons?
Let's do it.
That might be next.
And I feel like this is a good step in the right direction.
And honestly, like, I don't want Leah or William or however this individual wants to be called.
I don't want their Olympic dream to die, but you got to swim in your category.
And the category is not the women's category.
No, and I think they're thinking about creating an open category for transgender athletes.
And you know, even women who want to swim in that category for the extra competition, like me, I'm going to go.
Exactly.
Imagine you went and you swam against Leah and you won.
I probably will.
Look at me.
I actually looked up the hedge.
I actually looked up the 500 freestyle UW.
What is it?
The one that she won.
It was the U Coula.
Yeah.
She doesn't hold the record.
I did not know that.
It's actually a female who owns the record.
So that's kind of interesting.
So maybe there's room for a free open category and maybe women, biological women will win.
And, you know, probably not, but maybe.
Probably not.
Yeah.
You know, I wonder if, because Leah was so far ahead of the other contestants, I wonder if maybe she slowed down a little bit.
Just I think people were.
There was some speculation about that.
We'll never know.
Only God knows.
But yeah, let's get those biomales out of women's prisons.
That's next.
That's the next step.
Okay.
Free and open prison.
Wonderful.
Wonderful.
So Hollywood?
Holly weird.
Holly, everyone's gay.
Yeah.
Well, our first article that we want to touch on, who was this written by?
Irma Gersh.
It was written by me.
Oh, my gosh.
This is called Buzz Lightqueer, Middle East Bands Movie Light Year over Same Sex Kiss.
So this is funny because, okay, so here's a quote from the article that you wrote.
So, you know, I'm not telling you.
There's a spelling mistake.
Hollywood's Queer Turn00:15:46
No, I love that.
Just kidding.
I have a great editor.
So the LGBTQ employees and allies claimed that Disney executives actively censored overtly gay affection in its feature films.
And I'm like, they didn't censor gay affection.
They chose to, they included it and then they bowed to cultures who opposed that and took it out.
How do these allies not see that for what it is?
Like they literally included it in the movie and then removed it to not offend people whose like ideology we don't agree with whatsoever.
Yeah.
And throw gays off of buildings.
It's so funny too because like all these corporations right now have their rainbow logos for pride except for their Middle Eastern companies, like their Middle Eastern sectors or whatever.
And it's just like because being gay is a crime in the Middle East.
That's the thing.
And it's like, dude, these corporations though, they don't care about LGBTQ, ABC, D, E, F G activism.
They don't care.
They're pandering to you.
Like they're just pandering.
And it's just, it's annoying.
Like, I wish corporations, if they didn't align with pride or they didn't care about pride, just leave it alone.
Like, you don't need a rainbow in your logo to be a nice and accepting human being.
Like, I'm sure gay people can still bank at BMO.
Like, I'm pretty sure.
It would feel unsafe.
Right.
They would feel unsafe.
I actually saw an article.
It's not on our list here, but it was like how the mortgage crisis is hitting LGBT people harder.
I didn't read it.
Okay.
Because I'm busy.
But I think I kind of want to because I'm like, like, how?
I'm sure there's why.
I'm sure they're grasping at straws, just given it's 2022 and it's hitting them harder than it's hitting like families with multiple children who have more mouths to feed.
Yeah.
I just can't see it.
I don't see it.
I can't see that either.
And then, of course, Chris Evans, who is playing Buzz Light Queer in the new movie, is very frustrated by those who don't are maybe critical of the same sex kiss in a film.
And I'm a critic of it because I don't think that there should be kissing really in any kids' show.
But there are, though.
Yeah, well, I don't think it's fair.
Yeah, the thing is, though, mostly is that most people are straight and kids don't need to be exposed to anything that might confuse them or something that maybe they religiously are uncomfortable with.
Like whatever it is, like that's for a parent to decide what they want their kids to be exposed to and to learn.
And like, I just don't think it should be, we should push anything sexual about gender or sexuality on children like ever.
Yeah.
But like to push back a little bit, like in my favorite Disney movie, a 16-year-old girl named Ariel, who's a mermaid, marries a human.
And it doesn't matter that she's a fish.
That's hardly relevant because she gets her legs.
But she's 16.
Yeah.
And she marries and they kiss and she's wearing a little bikini top.
Like it's, I never found that to be sexual as a child.
So that's a different era of history.
But yeah.
I don't include kissing shows.
But I hear what you're saying.
I think though the thing is like being straight is not a sexuality because like that's the way you work.
Like that's the way God intended men and women.
I think that's the difference.
Like and it's we talk about the slippery slope all the time.
Like I have no issue with people being gay.
That's what you do in the bedroom is your business.
Like I really don't care.
But like I just don't think any child needs to be exposed to that sort of stuff.
Yeah.
And we could argue like maybe they should just not have like sexual relationships of any kind of movies and I would be fine with that.
Like like Toy Story.
It's about toys.
Exactly.
And like Frozen, there's no, I don't think there's any, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe there's any kisses in that movie.
I don't think it's like about sisters.
And that's what I'm not sure.
It's had some criticism, but I love Frozen because I have a sister and I'm like, her true love is her sister.
It's so sweet.
Yeah.
It's cute.
But I do see what you're saying because it's not quite the same as just a heterosexual kiss because that executive producer at Disney a couple months ago openly said that Disney has a not so secret gay agenda.
And it's like, Disney, your agenda should be to educate and entertain children.
Yeah.
Not even educate.
Like just entertain.
Let's say, yeah, like just come on.
Like stay in your lane, y'all.
Like, let's let parents talk to their kids about kisses.
Yeah.
You know?
I would urge any parent who doesn't want their kid to see a gay kiss or a straight kiss, just don't let them plop them down in front of a movie if you don't know what's in the movie.
Yeah, watch the movie before your kids watch it.
I think at least read up on it, read up on the criticism.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
And they're not that long.
And I love Disney movies.
I love Pixar movies.
So, you know, sit down, watch it before you let your kid be exposed to it.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
Good advice from someone who does not have children.
No.
No, but you know, we have brains.
Yes.
Right.
So Chris Evans is one star who's taking it into his own hands to because he's now an ally, even though he's a straight lane man.
He can be an ally just by being frustrated about that.
Another one is Tom Hiddleson, who plays Loki in the is it the Avengers?
Yeah, I don't know.
I've never seen them.
In the one with the hammer, Thor.
Right.
Avengers.
So I looked into this a little bit because apparently, I mean, Loki is from Nordic lore.
Yeah.
So in that, Loki is actually like pretty, he's actually, I don't think I saw anything about him being bi, but he can take the form of females too.
And he like to another god.
So it's like, in that sense, I kind of get it because it's not like they're tacking this on later, which we'll talk about too, because people do that.
They're like, oh, yeah, my character was totally gay.
It's like, was it like, you're not the writer?
But in this case, it's like it's actually ancient lore where the Loki is actually like gender fluid.
No, I understand that.
But again, like, what does that have to do with the character necessarily?
Like, it was never really a part of the character before.
Like, not in like Tom Hiddleson's been playing Loki for a while.
Like, it never came out except for now.
Like, yeah, no, in the last couple years.
Yeah.
Like, if they wanted to be true to the story at the time, they would have included it.
But obviously, like, they go where the money is.
Now the money is with that and they're like into it.
And it's like, okay, you guys, like, you don't care about the story.
You don't care about Loki.
You just, it's a remote cloud season.
You want clout and it's popular and that's where the money is.
Do I have again?
Marvel movies, although they are kind of like they're based around superheroes, they are for adults.
Yeah.
So they're very violent and they have like butts in them and stuff.
So like, do I have a problem with a bisexual character?
No.
It's just like, we see what you're doing.
You're going where the money is.
Like, you don't really care.
And the thing is, it's, it's on Disney Plus, though, which is technically for kids.
Like, they're trying to like market it towards kids, which I don't know.
And then one of the things he says, because he does an interview for variety, and he explained that he felt it was really important to address his character's bisexuality and gender fluidity.
It's like important for who?
Like, important for who?
Because, like, honestly, when it comes to a character's sexuality, I really don't care.
I just want to be important.
And it takes like, unless it's like milk.
Yeah.
Like Philadelphia or the one with the guy.
Well, Dallas Buyers Club, you know.
You know, those kinds of movies where it's like an orientation game.
Like that literally is about military, right?
Right.
It's important to the plot.
It's important to the plot.
Right.
And I'm all for that.
I like those.
Like Pengu is bi.
It's like, that's not important to the plot.
Pengu wants to eat fish.
Like, that's not.
They're going to do it.
They'll do it.
I put it out in the universe.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Sorry, go ahead.
Well, I was just going to say, like, it's these actors always act as though there's been no gay representation in films.
And they're absolutely off a bunch of people right off the top.
It's like, it's not like there's an issue where like we're completely trying to like smush any gay identity or gay people in our history.
Like they're important people.
Like I absolutely want to hear their stories.
Absolutely.
I think it should be represented representative of the population.
Yeah.
And right now it's kind of hard to calculate what percentage of people are queer because I actually saw a stat recently that was like one out of four people identified as queer.
It's like that's not, that is way more.
It used to be like one to two percent of the population.
Now it's like you're saying 25% of people are quota people.
You know, I was saying this to you earlier when we were like just walking.
People will just, like, young women, especially, like, they'll just say, Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm bi, yeah, I'm bisexual, even though they've literally only ever dated men.
Like, maybe they kissed a girl one time and they're like, I'm bi.
And they make this whole scene about it, and everyone's like, You're so brave.
It's like, okay.
It's probably like piggybacking onto like our conversations we've had about like kids, young girls who transition because they want clout because they're like middle class.
Yeah.
You don't want to be a cis heteronormative monster.
They don't have any of those brownie points, so to speak, right, with their peers.
And I would know because I am non-binary.
She is.
For those of you who are new, she came out.
Yeah.
Kat here came out as non-binary a while ago.
Because you know what?
I wanted the clout.
And a lot's changed since she came out.
So much.
Other people have to change the way they speak about me.
Yeah.
But I don't have to change anything.
So it's pretty great.
It's been great for all of us.
It's been a lot of learning.
I just want to touch on one more thing that I noticed is happening in Hollywood.
So, and we're going to get, do we have that thing about Tom Hanks?
Yeah, we'll talk about that a little bit later.
But there are actors who are saying only, and people too, only gay actors should play gay roles.
So there's that.
And then there's also all these Hollywood people coming out and saying, like, retroactively, that, oh, yeah, I'm cis or straight or whatever, but my character is gay.
So it's like, you can only play a gay role if you say it after the time it was already filmed.
Like you can't, it's just so stupid.
Both are so annoying.
Like you're actors.
It's like these people haven't been in the news cycle enough and they're like, I need a way back.
Well, yeah, that's when Demi Lovado was upset at that Froyo shop.
Yeah, for having like sugar-free cookies or something.
It's like, I'm fat and I want sugar.
How good are you?
Like, people, some people can't eat sugar, Demi.
Yeah, Demi.
It's not all about you.
But she knows that.
Yeah.
She knows that.
She just wanted to be in the news cycle.
Yeah, absolutely.
Don't you know?
Demi all.
We're trying so hard.
We're trying so hard.
That's why I'm non-binary.
Yeah, it's not working out for us.
I'm going to have to push you in front of a train or something.
But it seems to be working for Game of Thrones star Maisie Williams.
This is a great example.
Always thought Arya Stark was queer.
First of all, I would just like to say, anytime you ask someone to define what queer is, nobody knows.
That's hilarious.
Nobody knows how to define it.
So if you can define it, please send us a message on social media.
But it's like you always knew.
Like you always knew your character was queer.
Like four?
I don't know.
Yeah, no, because I'm pretty sure Sansa, her character, like she was like 16.
No, younger when they started filming.
Super young.
She was like at least 11 or 10 or something.
Yeah.
And so Arya was even younger.
And so her character was like nine on the show.
Always was queer, though.
Was always queer.
It's very obvious.
I mean, maybe, maybe queer people are like, I knew when I was nine.
Fair enough.
Sure, that's right.
Also, like, Maisie Williams didn't freaking write Graham Raleigh Thrones.
One of these quotes is like, one of the most popular characters on the show, Arya, was celebrated for her strong, independent, and gutsy persona.
It's like, oh, so a straight woman can't be strong and gutsy.
Like, I'm so, it's, we have gone back in time where if you're not a girl who wants to wear frilly dress, I mean, like, look at me talk.
But if, like, I was a tomboy, you too, right?
Yeah.
You're a kid.
Like, I played in the mud.
I wore ripped jeans and played.
We had brothers.
Exactly.
Me and my brother, there was this mud pit.
I'm sure I've talked about it before.
It was a highlight of my childhood.
And I, people, I had short hair and people would confuse me for a boy.
And now look at me.
I'm a gorgeous female.
So look at her.
Like, you're allowed to go through a tomboy phase.
You're allowed to stay in your tomboy phase.
You're allowed to be a lesbian.
You're allowed to be a butch chick who doesn't necessarily mean you're queer or like you can just be a butch lesbian, sorry, lesbian, but you can be straight and strong and gutsy and have short hair and do whatever you want.
Doesn't like, I'm so sick of people saying, like, oh, she doesn't wear, I want to want to wear a frilly dress, so she's queer.
Well, and it's kind of dangerous because like if you conflate being a tomboy with sexuality and gender identity, like that's going to confuse young girls who are just, you know, maybe going through an awkward phase or who maybe just like more masculine things.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
Like, and it's, it's funny.
One of the quotes says throughout the, throughout nearly the entire Game of Thrones run, fans believed Arya might be queer or gender fluid, thanks to the way the typical gender roles and whatever you kind of said this.
Surely had to pretend she was a boy to escape getting murdered.
Yeah, so that's what the quote says.
It says, including a two-season storyline in which she disguises herself as a boy.
Because of her friggin identity, because she didn't want to get her head chopped off.
But that's what I was going to say.
Like, is Mulan a lesbian too?
Like, is she questioning her gender?
Or like, what about Amanda Bynes and she's the man?
Like, I'm sorry.
Like, it's okay.
Like, just because your character has to dress up in another gender close to survive.
Yeah, like, for survival, I'm sorry.
Like, if it wasn't part of the plot and Aria literally just dressed like a boy the whole time and wore chestbinders and like that, I could see her being like, I think she's queer.
Yeah.
That's an but but Arya Stark literally had to avoid getting murdered by the Lannisters by dressing up as a boy because they weren't looking for a boy.
They were looking for a girl.
There you go.
Like, guys, it's okay.
And if she was queer, fine, but like that didn't seem to be part of the plot.
And in fact, they make her have a sex scene with, which is kind of weird because she's super young.
But in the last scene, she has a sex scene with a man.
And Maisie Williams talks about that.
And she's like, I was shocked by it.
I thought it was a joke.
But it's like, yeah, even tea pain.
Even T-Pain.
T-Pain says it's, it's, if the chemistry's off, it must be true.
But no, it's just crazy.
And like, I just think like this is weird attack to just completely erase women and like straight women and different types of women.
Yeah.
Like just let no one's a monolith.
Like let's just celebrate individuality.
We talk about that on the show like every second of every day.
Like you can be like, no one is you.
That's fine.
Yeah.
You don't have to be like gay or trans.
Or you could be gay and want to wear lipstick and dresses.
That's the thing, though.
We live in a, I thought we lived in a culture where we're like, non-binary should mean like I don't fit into this binary role.
But like we've taken that now and it's like, no, if I'm non-binary, that means I have short hair and it's blue and I hate society and I want to destroy all like classifications of woman and man.
It's like, no, no, we can be non-binary in, now I'm talking about being non-binary again.
Yeah, she is.
But it's like you can be a girl and have short hair and play sports or you can, you can do whatever you want and be who you are and you don't need to like change.
Like it's so like you said, it's so dangerous to make girls think, oh, I like soccer, therefore I'm like, I must be coy.
Yeah.
Or I'm trans.
Yeah, you're not.
You're just, you just are who you are and you like what you like.
And that's okay.
That's okay.
That's okay.
Anyway, so Tom Hanks explains why he wouldn't take another gay role.
We're beyond that now, he says.
So are you beyond giving back your Oscar?
Just wondering.
So Hanks played Andrew Beckett, a lawyer who hides his AIDS diagnosis and his homosexuality from his coworkers because he's afraid it could compromise his career.
He wants to basically address, like, could a straight man do that role now?
No.
But I love how he says that after he won an Academy Award.
That's the thing.
Like, you're going to give back your Academy Award, Hanks.
But it's like, you're so sorry.
You don't think an actor is allowed to act?
Yeah.
An actor is not allowed to act, Tom?
Just quit.
Just quit.
I don't remember Tom Hanks getting stranded on an island in real life.
Yeah.
That role of castaway should have gone to someone who was actually stranded on an island because they are so marginalized, like poor people and stinky.
Yeah, he just thinks it's inauthentic for a straight man to play a gay actor.
You're an actor.
What is the role of an actor if not to act?
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I don't understand it.
It's just crazy.
And I mean, there's so many gay characters coming out in films now, too.
So it's like, I guess you're going to be out of a job soon, Tom.
Yeah.
Only play an aging, out of date, out of touch, straight man.
Yeah, like that's all you can play because allegedly that's what you are.
Oopsies.
Oopsies.
I think it's it also reminds me of comedians do this a lot where like um Sarah Silverman has done this, Trevor Noah has done this, where in the past they have made offensive jokes and then now they're like, Yeah, but you can't make those jokes now.
So it's like, I'm gonna step through the doorway.
I'm gonna make those people because that's why you're famous.
People like those jokes.
I'm gonna step through the doorway and I'm gonna just close it behind me so that because really you don't want new people.
Why would you want the market, your market to be saturated with more talent?
Of course you don't.
So you step through that door of fame, you close it behind you.
It's this is what Tom is gatekeeping fame.
He is.
Yeah.
And we're going to talk about this later, but I personally think that Jennifer Inniston is doing the same freaking thing.
Yeah, but we'll talk about that later.
But before we get to that, perhaps we should talk about two other celebrities who are, oh my God, how many are there?
There's so many of them.
But you know, in the season of pride.
Yeah.
So Kesha says she's not gay or straight in a Pride Month post.
But then if only there was a word for that.
But then it's like, what are you?
I don't know.
I mean, it's bisexual.
She's acting like she invented a new idea.
She did, though.
Well, she, you know, she's been out of the news cycle for a bit too.
So maybe that's what it is.
But who's even, who is she?
No, I know who she is.
But like, she's a singer.
She has terrible music.
But like, she wanted to take a second quote to tell everyone that you were not only enough just as you are, but the world is so effing lucky to have you.
She wrote, I'm not gay.
I'm not straight.
I don't know what I am.
How do those things correlate?
Yeah.
Like, what's what do you mean you're not?
What does you being enough have any like?
What does that have to do with your sexuality?
So like, why are you so confused, Kesha?
Like, even if you're bisexual, you know that.
You're like in your 30s.
Yeah, like it's you've been around.
I've been around.
You're like, boy.
Okay, girl.
Yeah.
Like, it's not rocket science.
Yeah.
No, it's really not.
And I don't know.
I don't see what's so confusing about it.
No.
What is confusing, though, and this is a bit of a side note, but if, but if you're bisexual, is that admitting that there are only two genders?
Yeah.
Kesha, bigot, bigot alert, red flag.
I made this comment the other day where it's like the whole non-binary category is actually admitting that there is a binary.
That's like, I'm non-binary.
I don't fit into female or male.
It's like, okay, but I thought y'all were saying that it's all a spectrum.
It's a disaster.
It's an ideological disaster.
The world is on fire.
And it's even more on fire, I think, because Ian McKellen, who's 80, is going to be reprising the role of Hamlet.
That's so weird.
So Hamlet is what, like 30?
Yeah.
Ish.
Like, he's a young, he's a young man.
And guess what, guys?
I know Ian McKellen is gay, and also he's unbelievably talented.
He's amazing, and I love Gandalf.
He's the best.
But apparently, Hamlet is bisexual.
And, you know, I would just like to say, I think maybe Hamlet has ADD.
You know, he's not bisexual.
I think he's just a little confused because like a ghost is telling him to kill his uncle.
Yeah.
Like, I think he is bigger than that.
And so Ian McKellen, sir, my mistakes.
Sorry, Ian McKellen.
He quotes a line from Hamlet as the evidence that Hamlet, he's like, you didn't know.
And Hamlet is clearly bisexual because of this line.
So it's Rose and Krantz to Hamlet.
And he says, you did one, you did love me once.
It's a bit of a stretch.
Like, I love many things.
And maybe in today's culture, men don't say, I love you, bro, like as much as they should.
There's that great movie, I love you, man.
Have you seen that?
Yeah.
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, it's so cute.
But so maybe men don't say, I love you as much as they used to.
But to say that this line is the evidence that Hamlet was bisexual.
One line in the whole play.
Yeah, exactly.
And like, again, do I care?
No.
No.
Do I have Hamlet posters all over my room?
Is it going to crush me personally?
No.
No.
It's just, but Sir Ian, you're all first of all, you're already knighted by the queen.
I mean, you're one of the most famous actors on the planet, and you're homosexual yourself, so you don't need the clout.
You don't.
You just, it's enough.
It's enough, guys.
It's, I can't wait for June to be over.
Yeah.
To be honest, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be good.
Like in that vein, Nat and I are going to the Pride Festival.
We're going to see you there.
Anyway, my advice to you, Ian, is just put on those tights and give her.
Yeah.
Can you also maybe let a younger person play the role?
Can he play the uncle or something?
Yeah, shouldn't he?
The ghost.
Shouldn't he be the ghost?
Yeah.
He looks like a ghost.
Love you.
You got told, Sir Ian.
Told.
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Anyway, so everyone in Hollywood is gay.
Yeah.
Or their character is gay.
Yeah.
And you're not allowed.
If you're an actor, you were not allowed to play a straight actor.
You're not allowed to play a gay character.
No, you should just be gay.
It's probably for the best for your career.
Yeah.
At this point.
Because gay characters can absolutely play straight characters.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Oh, for sure.
Hello.
All right.
Hello.
Okay.
So more Hollywood talk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Talking about some nepotism.
Yeah.
So Jennifer Aniston trolled as nepotism baby for calling out stars famous for nothing.
Yeah.
So I guess she spoke to Sebastian Stan during an actors on actor interview for Variety about fame in 2022.
And she spoke on how personalities like Paris Hilton and Monica Lewinsky ascended to fame with the rise of internet culture.
She said they're famous for doing nothing.
And I'm like, oh, they did something.
Yeah.
Ooh, really?
Not the best things, but they did something.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You're right to add on to what we were talking about earlier.
She is gatekeeping fame a little bit.
I think because she came from actor parents.
Like she's not like, I think I was reading a little bit more.
She did work hard to get to where she is, but it's like she had to be kind of helpful.
Yeah.
You can get, so maybe your parents got you the call.
Like they got you the audition.
Yeah.
They got her in the door.
Exactly.
But she's hot and she's funny.
So, you know, but I have a list here of other actors who have famous parents.
And this is not the full list.
This is just like a couple of an endless list in 2022.
Oh, yeah.
It's super.
Okay.
So you'll also notice trend.
So Gwyneth Paltrow, Drew Barrymore, Jake and Maggie Gillenhall, George Clooney, Lena Dunham, Kristen Stewart.
So basically the annoying ones.
Yeah.
The ones that are always like telling everyone, like, you can't fly in a plane and like you have to be like conscious of your like footprint.
Like shut up.
Shut up, Maggie.
Shut up, Maggie.
I do like Jake Gyllenhaal, though.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
I mean, no, these are talented people.
Some of them.
Yeah.
Questionable.
Questionable.
I just think it's funny that to be like Jennifer Aniston's an nepotism baby.
It's like, okay, who isn't?
Yeah, no, there's a couple people in Hollywood who literally made their way without having famous parents.
I can't name any because I didn't look that up specifically.
I'm sure they exist.
Rachel McAdams.
She just doesn't have famous parents.
Really?
Nope.
Wow.
Good for you, Rachel.
And she's Canadian.
I was going to say.
Yay!
And Brian Cranston.
I don't believe he has famous parents.
And he was, he struggled a lot before he was famous.
Yeah.
And the guy from New Girl.
And John Hamm.
John Hamm worked really hard to get to where he is.
Anyway, we digress.
The point is so many of them are nepotism babies.
And that's kind of how things work in the world.
And I guess in Hollywood.
I would like to give her a little credit, though, because there are just too many people trying to be famous.
And I don't think that it's fair that TikTok stars are getting cast in movies.
I really don't because it's a craft.
Like it's an art form.
And she, I don't know.
Like, I just think that, like, some, like, imagine you're an actor, which we both have been, and you're competing for this role, and it's between you and like some TikToker who like takes their clothes off.
Yeah.
And they're only getting cast because of their large following.
That's all always like, it's always been the case.
But it just cheapens film because it proves that it's all about money and it's not about art anymore.
Yes, but I would argue it always has been.
Like, yeah.
So there's this next article from Evie on the same kind of note.
It's in defense of actresses, why we need to stop giving influencers acting roles.
And I disagree with the whole point of this article because, so there's this quote: in the era of social media becoming Instagram famous or trending on TikTok is the new celebrity status.
In fact, many young influencers are landing TV gigs due to their large followings and engagement.
The question becomes: is this fair to real trained actors?
So my point is: is it fair that Jennifer Aniston got auditions because of her famous parents?
Is it fair that some girls, like you mentioned, will get roles because they take their clothes off?
No, but that's Hollywood, baby.
That's not fair.
Yeah, it's never been fair.
And like Jennifer Aniston, she was on TV in the golden age of the sitcom and she profited off of that.
But now that age is over.
Yeah.
And now it's the age of TikTok.
So like she's just an old lady who's looking back and she's like, I don't understand these kids.
And it's like, because you're not them.
Like you profited off of the age that you were in and you and you made it big.
And so stop gatekeeping fame.
Like I don't like influencers and I don't, I won't watch them, but I, but I don't care.
I don't watch movies anyways because movies are garbage.
Yeah, which we'll get to in a minute.
No, it's true.
I just, I don't know.
I have a soft spot for actors who really do want to make it.
And like, I just think it's kind of gross how you can be famous for anything these days.
And maybe that's, maybe that just kind of encourages people to maybe, hey, let's pay less attention to these people or let's not listen to these people as much because literally anyone can be famous for doing nothing, which means they have no right telling you or I how to live our lives.
But it's our fault as consumers for making them famous.
Yeah.
Like, and like the show.
And there's that old saying that's like, give them what they want to see.
Give them people what they want to see.
If people want to see the D'Amelios in a movie, even if they're terrible, people will watch it.
That's what Hollywood is.
They never care.
Like to say that they care about artistic integrity, we both know that's BF.
Because they, what about the Harvey Weinstein, the Harvey Weinstein thing?
Yeah.
Like any girl who shows her butt to an old producer man was getting roles where this other, like I've heard of stories way back in the 60s of actresses who wouldn't sleep with the directors and then they were blackfired.
Exactly.
And they were called all sorts of horrible names and they're like, okay, well, I guess I'm just going to like live my life.
It's like, this is not new.
No, it's a good point.
Hollywood is terrifying.
It is.
And I think it does prove that the golden age of the industry is long, long gone.
If it ever even existed.
But I do think we've seen a huge shift in the quality of content.
Yeah.
Especially as it pertains to the rom-com.
Yeah.
They are not good anymore.
I haven't watched a rom-com in years.
Like a new one.
The thing is, I don't even think you could classify anything that comes out now as a rom-com in the same way because I feel like maybe like Crazy Rich Asians was a rom-com.
I didn't see it, but I heard that's great.
And I would like to watch that.
You should watch that one.
And there was all those Catherine Heigles back in the middle.
27 dresses.
Yeah.
No, for sure.
But anyway, there's this other article from Evie, and it kind of poses the question: why is it that newer movies that should fit into the same category are falling short for us?
Like we do keep rewatching.
I keep re-watching the same old thing.
And so they have a couple points here.
The movie we could go through.
So the goal of movies was different back then, which maybe that's up for debate because we kind of both agree that Hollywood's always been horrible.
And the goal has always been woke.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, they want to preach at us.
And that's why movies are so politically correct.
And it's funny.
And what I find confusing, and I don't know if you agree, is that like these producers and these movies, they keep making these woke films, but like they keep tanking.
It's not what the people want.
So why are you playing this game?
Like if it's all about money, like follow the money, honey.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe, you know how like the big companies have like social credit scores?
Yeah.
And they, I don't know what the benefit of them is, but maybe that's worth more than making a blockbuster.
Like you know the whole concept of the producers, the musical, like you can make more with a flop than I don't think that I have no idea about like fine, like entertainment finances.
Yeah.
There's something to that where it's like, as long as people are working, it barely matters how much money you make.
I can't imagine that's true.
I'm just trying to pontificate about what it could possibly be.
No, it's true.
I mean, yeah, it's just interesting that movies do feel the need to comment on every social issue.
Whereas, like, I don't know about you, but like, movies for me, it's like escapism.
Like, I just want to relax.
I don't want to think about work.
I don't want to think about politics.
I just want to watch hot people do crazy, extraordinary things.
Yes, I agree.
And I want to live vicariously through them.
Yeah.
You know, and I think it's funny because Top Gun, I haven't seen it yet, the new one.
I didn't see the original, but I heard that the new one is really, really good and everyone's really hyped on it.
And I also saw an article that was like, why Top Gun is like toxic masculinity.
And it's like, okay, well, I guess people like that.
Like, sorry.
They like America and they like Jets and they like men.
Like, sorry.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I want to see hot men.
Yeah.
Like, kill me.
Like, sue me, you know, like, whatever.
Yeah.
No, that's a good point.
Yeah.
Jamie Chung Controversy00:07:08
Wow.
She's so smart.
And she's only 17.
Can you believe it?
Yeah.
I think mostly I would just love it if Hollywood realized that like you can't appeal to everyone.
And maybe there should be like a category that does cater to these idiots.
No offense who need everything to be like pandered to them with their that can be its own.
Social justice.
Yeah.
Like then we can have the rest.
Yeah, I'll take the rest.
Like I'll take Ryan Gosling.
Yeah.
Please.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Succinct.
Love it.
Okay.
There's this.
I know we've probably been talking about this too long, but I want to talk about this Jamie Chung surrogacy thing.
So there's this, okay, they call her an actress.
This is an article from Evie magazine.
The article titles actress Jamie Chung chose surrogacy over pregnancy because she didn't want to lose opportunities in her acting career.
And in this first paragraph, they're like, she was, she launched into fame on real world.
Real world.
Is that what it's called?
Something like that.
Yeah, Real World San Diego.
I don't even know what that is.
It's a reality show.
She is.
So she's a reality star who has had a few acting roles, is what they said.
Okay.
She's also married to a guy who's an actor.
So she's, so to call her an actress is a bit of a stretch.
Yeah.
Like it would be like saying, like any of the girls from The Bachelor are actors.
It's like, whoo, okay.
Yeah.
But here's a quote.
Chung knew she and her husband wanted children, but she was afraid of what might happen to her career if she took time to get pregnant and give birth.
Yeah, a lot of successful actors, Jamie, before you have actual actors.
Actual actors have had multiple children throughout their careers and they still got a few Oscars on their shelves.
And it's like you mentioned this.
It's like, so you don't have time for the pregnancy, but you're going to have time for the children once they're born.
And there's how it works.
Oh, yeah.
That's how it works.
So she now has two children to take care of, but that's fine because, you know, she already farmed out the first job.
What's to say she's not going to do that with the actual raising of the children?
I think this is a branch of toxic mommy culture because it's such a toxic take that parents think like having kids is going to ruin your life and ruin your career.
Like it's a blessing and a privilege.
And not everyone has that privilege.
And it's just so, well, it's very privileged of you to be able to pay someone hundreds of thousands of dollars to carry your children.
Like it's just insane.
Like look in the mirror, girl.
Yeah.
Like you're crazy.
So she said on the topic, people are people probably think, oh, she's so vain.
She didn't want to get pregnant.
And it's so much more complicated than that.
For me personally, and I will leave it at this.
It's like, it's like, I worked my ass off my entire life to get where I am.
She continued.
I don't want to lose opportunities and I don't want to be resentful.
Wow, girl.
You're already talking about being resentful towards your children that you just basically bought from someone else.
Like You resent and you worked your ass off to get on the real world San Diego.
Like, what are you talking about?
Your parents must be so proud.
They're so proud of you.
They're so proud of you.
It's just like, oh, and also she claims to have struggled with postpartum depression after the twins were born.
That's rude.
That's soup.
That's a bad take.
Yeah, it's a bad take.
Really bad take.
Some women actually really suffer.
Yeah.
Like, I can't imagine.
But, like, come on.
Like, don't minimize other people's feelings because you're trying to make excuses.
Yeah.
Like, you're trying to justify to be like, I'm a real mom.
Yeah.
I want to die.
So I looked into postpartum depression a little bit because I've heard a lot about it, but I don't know a ton about it.
But it's a bit of a mystery, but there are two main causes for it.
So the first one, the obvious one, is that there's a huge drop in hormones after you give birth and you can actually be chemically depressed.
Right.
And some women are chemically depressed for months and some enter into psychosis, which is absolutely terrifying.
The other one is maybe what she's talking about is that you now have these dependent and it's a baby and it's a lot.
It's a lot of pressure.
Orwhelming.
It's overwhelming and you have a lack of sleep and yada yada.
But again, like I would argue, this is someone who's in Hollywood who has help.
Who has help, exactly?
So it's like, how, and, and you know, she's not staying up all night with her babies because she would be too tired for her audition the next morning.
And that's clearly the most important thing.
Like she said, you can't even take a couple months off of your job because people will forget you.
It's like, first of all, how forgettable are you?
Second of all, this is going to be your life until the kids, until you die.
You are a mother.
And yeah, we were talking about this before.
It's like, if you, if you want to work on your career, that's fine.
You would already frozen your eggs anyway.
Like, why not just delay having children?
Like, you didn't need to have them right now if you were going to have a surrogacy.
Exactly.
Like, it just seems so silly.
And honestly, Jamie, like, you just want, you just want fame, and we're giving you a little bit more of that today by talking about you.
But like, good lord, these Hollywood celebrities.
This isn't even a Hollywood celebrity, but these people are just crazy.
No, and you can also argue she just doesn't want to like give up her bod.
Yeah.
Like, come on, girl.
Yeah.
Like, your children should be worth more to you than your next like reality TV gig.
And if they're not, like, I feel really bad for your kids.
Yeah.
You suck, Jamie.
You suck.
But on a high note, let's end it on a high note.
Let's end it on a high note.
There is another article from Evie.
13 iconic celebrities who left Hollywood to prioritize motherhood.
Yeah.
Which is so nice.
It is.
And these are huge names on here.
They're huge names.
Name them.
Yeah.
So we have Eva Mendez.
We have Cameron Diaz.
We have Shania Twain.
Julia Roberts.
Julia.
Julia freaking Roberts.
Sandra Bullock.
Like so many.
Yeah.
Like, there's so many.
And Adele did this.
She wasn't on the list, but Adele also did it for many years before she just recently came out with another album.
These are not D-listers.
These are like some of the most famous actors in the world.
And, you know, to play devil's advocate, you could argue, well, these people are already rich enough and stable enough in their careers that they didn't need to worry about their career and they could take the time off.
Sure, that's an argument.
It's just like motherhood is the most important job you're ever going to do.
So.
Yeah.
And to focus on that is such a, such a wonderful thing to do.
And I think that's what mothers are called to do, right?
So like it's nice to just see these Hollywood people be moms because that's what they wanted to have kids.
Like their kids didn't choose to be born.
So you got to, you know, brought them into the world.
Yeah.
You have the responsibility of taking care of them and giving them everything.
So like sacrifices need to be made.
And a lot of, I remember we talked about what was the actress that was pregnant during one season of the show that you were.
Oh, Mindy Project.
Mindy Kaling.
And Julia Louis Dreyfus was pregnant, I think, once or twice during the filming of Seinfeld.
Courtney Cox was pregnant during the filming of Friends.
Yeah.
Like you can work.
Yeah.
People work when they're pregnant.
Especially if you're talented enough.
And like, I think people will make it work around you.
You know, like, I'm sorry.
I don't think Jamie has that shot.
Maybe that's why exactly.
But she has like a rich husband who's in the Mindy Project.
So it's like you could have, you know, just perfect.
There were some options, Jamie.
If you had options and you also had your eggs frozen, you could have done it later.
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