Miss Understood No. 18 dissects Chris Jenner’s alleged toxic influence—financial exploitation, career manipulation (e.g., Kim Kardashian’s 2007 sex tape), and controlling behavior—while debating whether her actions shaped the Kardashian-Jenner sisters’ struggles. The episode links porn to serial killers (85+ studies), brain rewiring, erectile dysfunction, and societal decline, citing Pornhub’s lack of age verification and Bill Gates’ population control theories as potential contributing factors. It warns of normalized porn fostering unrealistic beauty standards, intimacy destruction, and even government dependence through health crises like addiction and depression. [Automatically generated summary]
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Kim Kardashian's Controversies00:16:03
We're going to move on.
Talk about toxic mommy.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
So this first article, I think this is the one article that we're going to like reference the most.
Yeah.
So this is from Evie magazine.
You know we love Evie.
Sorry, my hair is just, oh, okay.
Anyways, the article title is, Thanks to Chris Jenner, The Kardashian Sisters Are the Definition of Mommy Issues.
Yes.
It was an interesting read.
It was an interesting 12-minute read.
And I don't think we want to spend too much time specifically on Chris necessarily.
Not necessarily.
I think that she's just the perfect example of a toxic mom because I think a lot of people are like, oh, a toxic mom, you know, I have a list here of some like telltale signs that a mom is toxic and it's like controlling, manipulative, humiliates you, invalidates your feelings, et cetera.
But I also think there's a side that's a lot more sinister where you can't necessarily see it as clearly that a mom is toxic.
And I think that Chris Jenner is the perfect example because she's overbearing.
She wants to be her kid's best friend.
Well, she like, she like markets her children as products.
I'd call it an exploiting.
Yes, exploiting.
Frankly, yeah.
She exploits her children.
Definitely.
Maybe they like it, though.
I mean, we'll get into that.
Yeah, I think they probably like it a little too much, which is also like, hello, red flag.
Oh, that's a red flag.
Hang out.
I mean, you know, she takes 10%, a 10% cut of all of her kids' businesses.
Amateur.
Yeah, she's the, she's so rich.
She is so rich.
She never had to show her VIN.
Yeah, it's true.
She just let Kim do it for her.
Yeah.
I mean, she's worth $190 million.
Now, I wonder if she was worth that when the show, when that sex tape was released.
I have a feeling not so much.
And she's famously quoted as saying, I wrote it down, but it's like she said, I never have spent a dollar of my own or I've never worked or something.
Like, what did she say?
I don't know, but that.
I wrote it.
That must be nice, Chris.
Yeah.
Must be nice.
Should we give a little context then about her?
Yeah, let's give some context.
Okay.
Do you have notes?
I have a few notes.
You have a few notes?
I got some notes.
All right.
Take it away.
Okay.
Well, Chris Jenner was only 17 years old when she met her first husband, Robert Kardashian.
That's young.
And she was apparently dating someone else at the time.
Yeah, classic.
Classic, classic.
Okay, here's the quote right here.
Yeah, she's quoted as saying she's never paid for anything in her life.
Gosh, that's the dream, isn't it?
That's the dream.
Great.
So I guess her claim to fame, though, is through the famous O.J. Simpson trial, which took place in 1995, where her husband, Robert Kardashian, her now ex-husband, was one of the lawyers.
And apparently, Chris had a rumored affair.
Was he a lawyer or just a friend?
He was a lawyer.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, he is a lawyer.
Well, was a lawyer.
Yeah.
I didn't know.
I thought he wasn't actually one of the O.J. Simpsons.
Oh, maybe not.
I think he's just a lawyer and they're family friends.
Yeah, I think you might be right.
Yeah.
Because they were friends with OJ's wife.
Yeah, and they went to OJ Simpson together.
Right.
And there is a rumor, unsubstantiated, that there was a steamy hot tub sesh between Chris Jenner and O.J. Simpson, which led to the divorce from Robert Kardashian.
Nice.
Unsubstantiated, but widely known.
I don't know about you, but to me, that just sounds like a completely ethical woman.
Yeah.
She sounds great.
And she's also known.
She's been open about having a multi-affair.
Yes.
At least one other affair that she's acknowledged that lasted two years while she was married.
Right, as well.
So she's an upstanding citizen.
And then, of course, you know, after her messy divorce, where she was cut off financially from Robert, she married Bruce, now Caitlin Jenner, five months, I think, after six months after they started dating, which was like six months after her divorce.
Right.
Yeah.
So that's fast.
So I guess money was tight.
And she just needed a new boo to buy her some Dior.
I don't know.
Transgender or not, she needed a new partner.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So basically, I just think the, like, she's a bad, she's been setting a bad example for her daughters forever.
Yeah.
And, you know, we don't know what's in her heart.
And, like, maybe she has, maybe she has atoned for her parents' behavior.
Yes.
It's possible.
I've never heard her speak on it.
No.
Saying, you know, I was a horrible person and I did this and this and now I've seen the light and I want to move forward with my life.
Like that's one thing.
I've never heard that, but maybe we can't write it.
Yeah, no, of course.
Only God knows.
Exactly.
It's possible for her has, you know, atoned for her sins.
Maybe not.
Yeah.
But it was the, you know, we've mentioned the sex tape release of Kim Kardashian in 2007.
Yeah.
With Ray J, who I don't really know who that is.
Me either.
But Kim Kardashian was only 23 at the time, y'all.
She knew him.
Yeah.
Allegedly.
Yeah.
Very well.
Intimately.
It's just hard to imagine, like, and we're not, like, this is going to sound judgmental, but it's hard to imagine having a sex tape.
It is very hard to imagine.
And then it's hard to imagine being like, hey, mom, I have this sex tape.
And then mom being like, excellent.
Like, yeah, because we can profit.
Well, and the thing is, like, Kim Kardashian had learned, I think, a lot from Paris Hilton because that's what kind of made.
She also released the sex tape.
Right.
And Paris Hilton, I mean, I actually think I have a lot of respect for Paris Hilton off the record, but this is not off the record.
It's on the record.
It's on the record now.
But she worked for Paris Hilton.
And so she was like, well, this made Paris a huge success.
I am a D-lister.
I want to play with the big wigs in Hollywood.
So maybe this will work for me too.
And I guess there is an unauthorized biography of Chris Jenner called Dirty Sexy Money, the unauthorized biography of Chris Jenner, where the author claims that Chris was there every step of the way as a middleman was brought in to market it to an adult entertainment company, it being the sex tape.
One insider told the authors that they'd even seen Chris Jenner's signature on the contract because basically it's illegal for a porn company to release this video, a sex tape like that without the performers or consent.
Performers.
Performers consent.
Yeah, so they needed this signed, they needed a signature from Kim Kardashian.
So they can't just like take it and, you know, just reiterate what you said.
Yeah.
They can't just take it and post it on the internet without their consent.
So not like Pornhub, which we'll talk about.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
So someone from the family knew, and there was a lawsuit.
Apparently, the Kardashian family, the Kardashian Jenner family, sued the production company, but they settled out of court privately and no one knows the details of it.
So it's, you know.
Not outside the realm of possibility that it was just an act to be like, how dare you?
That's so, I'm so embarrassed.
Oh, outrage.
Shock.
Yes.
No, for sure.
Thanks for the show, though.
Yeah, no doubt.
Yeah, and then, of course, after this debacle kind of came to be, they signed with what's his name's production company, Ryan Seacrest Production Company.
And then, and hence, keeping up with the Kardashians was born and it's still alive today.
Yes, yes, under another name.
They're so rich.
They are so rich and it's so HD.
The production isn't safe.
Anyway, that's beside the point.
But so, okay, what does this have to do?
Everyone watching this is going to be like, I don't care about the Kardashians, but what does this have to do with toxic moms?
Well, first of all, you all secretly care because if you comment about something, you clearly care.
So there's this quote from the article.
So what's the proof, I guess, that Chris has set a bad example?
So although they've certainly had much success in their careers, unfortunately, the same can't be said for their romantic relationships and mental health.
Up until this point, not a single one of them has had a successful marriage.
Three of them have kids with men who weren't their husbands.
And Kallie Jenner's appearance has transformed dramatically over the years to reveal what some would say is a completely different person.
Yeah, I would say that.
Yeah.
I mean, Kim's had three failed marriages.
Courtney was in like a nine-year relationship with Scott where they had children.
Chloe keeps dating cheaters and going back to them.
That's really sad.
And Kylie got pregnant at 20 outside of marriage.
And her new face put on her face.
She got a new face.
Totally new face.
Like they've all had work done.
Yeah.
All of them.
But she's got a totally new face.
It's really sad.
It is sad.
It's terrifying.
And she's so young.
My God.
Yeah.
So, I mean, these are not, I know they're like the article says they're financially successful, but like they're not healthy people.
Yeah.
They're not productive normal people.
Like they can't, they can't do what like normal people are supposed to do, which is get married and have babies and set a good example for your children.
And I think it's Chris Jenner's fault.
Yes.
Well, yes.
I mean, their father is no longer here too.
Apparently, he was super against being in the limelight.
And he really valued hard work.
And I will say, like, anyone who knows me knows my family.
We have a rich history of divorce.
Like, my parents have been divorced like a thousand times each, like a billion times.
It's a joke.
But I would say that's not, I think anyone would say that's not success.
Like, we're not kidding ourselves and thinking, like, oh, the more divorces you have, the better off you are.
Like, I think, and especially for me, like, I hope to have one husband and a family, solid unit.
And I think if people are going to get triggered by saying, like, oh, divorce, like, I'm the one, I should be triggered because, you know, I've, I've lived through multiple divorces, but it's like, it's, no one can argue that that's a nice thing for children to do.
Well, you were a child that went through that.
So you know exactly how these children are going to feel.
I mean, I'm super messed up.
You're, she's not.
She's she's turned out great.
Um, but like now all of the Kardashians' kids are not gonna grow up with proper dads in the house.
Like it's just a mess.
It's a mess.
And to be fair, their dad died.
So it's not like, oh, no, I mean like their kids.
That's true.
Yeah, yeah.
Like they all have issues with men.
All of the Kardashian people.
The article made a comment about how like they don't have a father in their life.
It's like, well, he died.
Yeah, that's not.
He died of cancer.
Yeah, that's not really fair.
That's not really their fault.
I would not plus, like, they really, they really hold him to like, he's well revered in that family.
They really respect him.
So it's.
Yeah.
So you've watched the show, right?
Yes, from the beginning.
Never watch it, but I know there's this one clip that I did see of a great example of Toxic Mommy, where it's like a really early season where Kylie is super young and she's supposed to be in high school and she's like run away from home or something, like less dramatic than that.
But she's walking down the street and Chris Jenner's chasing her with the production company in her SUV and she's like, come on, talk to me, just get in the car.
And Kylie's like, no, like she's like having a panic attack.
She's like, no, I don't want to go to school, mom.
Like, just listen to me, never listen.
Like, yeah, Kendall doesn't want to go to school.
I don't want to go to school.
Both have panic attacks.
And her mom is like, instead of being like, can we cut this scene?
Like, my daughter's having a moment here.
They keep it rolling.
And like, it's hard to imagine that.
I think Kylie was, I mean, I'm guessing like 16 at the time.
Like, she's still in high school.
So she couldn't have been more than 18.
They were very young.
Sorry, I can't imagine that at that age, she was like happy to have that moment broadcast on television.
Like we all, anyone who's had anxiety knows it's like embarrassing and painful.
And like you don't really want that moment to be on TV.
So to say like, oh, she was in on it.
It's like, maybe, but like toxic mommy, you could have cut the scene.
You said, like, that's enough drama for this scene.
Like, go watch Kim get her like bikini wax.
You know, like, we don't need, it's just so toxic.
It's so toxic.
Your daughter's going through something.
They were young when they signed on to the show.
Like that, they were too young to be able to consent or know what they were signing up for.
I'm talking about Kendall and Kylie.
Like, it's just not fair.
They're like whole Kylie was like nine, right?
That's the thing.
And so that means their whole lives have been, they've been growing up in the spotlight forever.
That's so not fair.
Like kids just can't consent to that.
And obviously it's it's clearly screwed them up.
I mean, Kendall seems to have come out the most normal.
But even she, like, I was, I saw some article that was like the Kardashian.
I mean, they put her into the Kardashian like the umbrella, but they were like the curse of the Kardashians.
Like they apparently, even she can't like keep a man for too long.
Yeah.
Or maybe they can't keep her.
I don't know what it is.
Yeah, no, it's true.
None of them.
Yeah.
I couldn't really name any of her boyfriends, really.
So that's a good point.
Yeah, I don't know.
To be that rich.
So I think the point of this conversation is not really necessarily about Chris and the Kardashians per se.
It's just that like, I think a lot of times we talk about toxic masculinity and stuff like that.
But toxic motherhood, I think there's something to be said about it.
Yeah.
I mean, it goes back to the Oedipal mother.
Like it's a classic archetype of the mother who is so controlling and won't let her children grow up because she needs them in her life and she ends up destroying them.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of millennials suffer through this because I've seen a lot of like growing up, a lot of my, not even my friends, but just like my classmates and stuff, their parents specifically, their moms tried so hard to stay young and cool that they were, they tried to be their child's friend.
No, you know, like the mean girls.
Yeah, exactly.
And it's like, that is a side of toxic motherhood that I don't think we see that much.
I mean, Chris Jenner is a perfect example of that.
I mean, like, Chloe Kardashian literally lives across the street from her and sees her every single day.
She sees her mom every single day.
She's not like 90 and dying.
It's just like, don't you have a life?
Yeah.
Like you're a mom too.
Anyway.
This is crazy.
But yeah, like I think like it's just, it's something that I think more people need to talk about.
And I think there are a lot of signs that a lot of people are unaware of.
Like maybe this isn't toxic to you, but it actually is.
I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah.
Do you have the signs?
I have the signs.
Oh, right.
Do you want me to read them?
Yes.
Okay.
I want to know.
Do tell.
Okay.
So some of the signs of a toxic mom that some people may not know.
So she always has to be right.
She ignores your boundaries.
She enables dependence.
She oversimplifies your problems.
Gets mad at you for being emotional.
Claims you are overreacting.
Every conversation leaves you feeling upset.
She minimizes your achievements.
She wants to be your best friend.
You're the one always apologizing.
She is always the victim.
She cries to get her way.
She's super critical.
She lashes out when she's upset.
She wants you to fix her problems.
She wants to control you and your siblings, and you have to walk on eggshells around her.
Sounds like a nightmare.
Sounds like a nightmare.
But some of those things seem like they're not that big of a deal.
Like, oh, my mom wants to be my BFF.
What's wrong with that?
Well, it's like, well, if you're too dependent on your mom, you're not an independent.
And we talked about this in terms of Lorelei and Rory Gilmore.
Yeah.
Like, you know, we, I, I watched that episode of ours and we were like, Lorelei is the worst mother.
She's not the worst.
I've been re-watching the show.
Yeah.
She's not the worst, worst mother, but there are that exact thing is that she wants to be Rory's best friend and it's at the detriment of Rory because A, Rory couldn't go to university without having her mom sleep over with her.
Like that was embarrassing.
Yeah, that's not cool.
Come on.
And then just the lessons that she learned from her mother were not great in terms of relationships.
So a mother is not a best friend.
It's a mother.
It's different.
Yeah, definitely.
A dog is your best friend.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of times we see like people when they're in like relationships and stuff, like they instead of going to their partner, they go to their mom for advice.
And I actually think that like that's really unhealthy.
Yeah, like I just think you need to, the Bible is pretty clear about this.
Man shall leave and father his mother and become one with his wife.
I think the same goes for women.
Like you need to, of course, maintain a healthy relationship with your parents.
You can be friends with your mom.
Like I'm friends with my parents, but it's like there needs to be a line.
Like they don't need to know everything.
No, and you don't need to go to them with everything.
Like, no, I've made that mistake in the past where I thought everything in my relationship I had to tell my mom and dad and they're like, you don't need to hear that.
Oh, he should do this.
It's like, yeah, you guys are both divorced.
Right.
Like, I don't need to hear your opinions on this matter.
I should be talking to the person in which I'm in a relationship with and resolving those issues through communication instead of like, and my parents aren't even toxic.
It's just like, it's not healthy to have your parent as your best friend.
It's just simply not.
Yeah, I agree.
Should we talk to my mom?
Sorry, mom.
She doesn't watch the show.
Yeah.
Well, jokes on her.
It's the best.
It's the best.
Should we move on to lighter topics?
Yep.
Well, I just wanted to touch on another aspect.
Parental Toxicity00:03:27
Like, we don't have to talk about the article in total, in totality, but another article that we did touch on was this.
It's also from Eevee.
It was online mommy cultures can be toxic somebody.
Oh, yes.
And it's just like, we've all seen like, you know, the term Facebook moms.
And I didn't realize, like, I can't imagine being on one of those groups and saying, like, oh, I, I, like, I want to have a home birth or something like that.
And then women being like, apparently this is a thing where they'd be like, that's dangerous.
Like, you're endangering your, your child.
And like judgment and toxicity.
So this article just talks about like how to avoid that.
And I thought it was interesting because so many of the things that they say are actually just things to avoid in real life.
It was like some of the tips that they had were like, don't be afraid to block somebody.
Yeah.
And they're talking about in a mommy culture, it's like, that's a good lesson for anyone.
Like in real life, when you have a toxic friend in your world, you get rid of them.
I've done that.
It took me a long time to figure that out, but it's like, oh, they're my friend.
It's like, you know what?
They're toxic.
They're the kind of person that is happy when I fail.
And they don't want good things.
They don't support you.
So you know what I did?
I just cut them out of my life.
And like, you can do that online.
If someone's harassing you online, mommy or not, like you just block them.
It's not like we, especially in the conservative world, we think it's such a weak thing to do.
But if someone's harassing you, you wouldn't let them into your house.
Yeah.
You wouldn't let them into your car.
You can just block them.
No, it's so true.
Should we maybe talk about then the pro-abortion TikToker too?
Yes.
Because there is that other.
So toxic mommy culture.
Ali Vestucki claims that she coined this term.
I don't know if that's true, but it's basically when women mock their kids for social media.
Some people are like, oh, it's just humor.
It's for fun.
It's lighthearted.
My kids are going to grow up and sue you.
So enjoy.
That too.
But I also think, do you wonder if that creates like a sense of resentment in the mom that then grows and then she becomes a toxic mom as the child grows up?
Because I really think, and maybe it has something to do with why abortion is so normal and okay in our society because moms are always talking about how much they hate their kids, calling them like a-holes and stuff.
And it's like, obviously, kids can be a lot.
I mean, I don't have kids, but I see little kids screaming at church and stuff like that.
Like, I mean, goodness gracious, they're a lot.
But, you know, it's a privilege to be able to have a baby.
And I think that we should, they're a blessing.
And I think we need to consider them that way.
And society just doesn't seem to want to.
Like, there's such a weird attack on kids.
And there's also that, like, like you mentioned, this weird trend of like shaming, publicly shaming your child on the internet.
Yeah.
And so we'll, I'll add this video in later.
But there's this pro-abortion TikToker that tells her baby, like her newborn baby, a beautiful baby.
Yeah.
Like new, it's new.
It's brand new.
And she says, I could have killed you.
She doesn't even say the word aborted.
She says, I could have killed you.
I didn't, but I could have, and that's my choice.
It's like, lady, every single one of our moms could have aborted us.
They didn't.
They don't need, you don't need to shove that in your child's face.
Like, yeah, it's, it's evil.
It's so weird.
That would be like God saying, like, I could have killed you.
Yeah.
It's like, duh, you could have.
Yeah, obviously.
It's like, duh, it's so toxic.
And it makes me feel really nervous for the kid growing up because what if that mom doesn't drop it in infancy?
Like, maybe the kid is even picking up on those, like, those intentions without, because they're non-verbal at this.
They're so young.
It doesn't understand words yet.
But maybe it understands the feelings.
And when it is verbal and it can understand words, is the mom going to stop saying that?
Yeah.
What if when the kid is bad?
Is she going to be like, you know, I could have aborted you.
I could have killed you.
Encouraging Disgusting Content00:10:52
Like, gross.
That is so gross.
Well, especially because, like, as you said, this baby can't speak or really do anything.
It just needs mom for everything, right?
And love.
Like, kids can't defend themselves.
No.
And in any other part of society, if you're attacking something that can't defend itself, you're bullying it.
Like, imagine.
That's such a good point.
Like, imagine if you replaced baby with another type of vulnerable person.
Like, everyone would be like, you can't say that.
You can't have a kitten.
Yeah.
Like a little kitten.
Even a freaking animal.
PETA would be all over your butt.
It's so true, but it's okay to say that to your child, your newborn child.
A human literally depends on you for every single thing.
And you did not ask to be brought into this world, by the way.
No.
So.
And you're already holding it over their head.
Like, talk about toxic.
Yeah.
Gross.
Toxic already.
Gross.
Anyway, so.
Anyways, that was fun.
That was really fun.
Don't be toxic.
Yeah, don't be toxic.
And Chris Jenner.
Yeah.
Looking at you.
Yeah.
Cut the cord from your kids.
Okay.
All right, porn.
Oh, man.
Okay.
This article, also from Evie, is called, Why Are So Many Serial Killers Porn Addicts?
And I kind of did a little shallow dive into this topic when we were talking about the shooting that took place in Texas because I wanted to, I don't know if there actually was a connection.
I was just curious because it seems like a thing.
And I found, I told you this already, like I found it so hard to find connections.
Everywhere I looked, it was like, well, porn could actually be really good for you.
And I was like, I don't think I'm looking in the right places.
So reality check, it's not.
Yeah, it's not.
It's not.
Yeah.
And I guess it's so I found this article called it's by the Reward Foundation, which is basically an educational charity that looks at the science behind sex and love relationships.
What do they know?
What do they know?
So basically, there are over 85 studies that link poor mental and emotional health to porn use.
These effects range from brain fog and social anxiety through to depression, negative body image and flashbacks, eating disorders.
And basically porn just really has a big impact on idealized notions of body image.
It's kind of interesting because so much of secular society is like, just like porn's fine.
Yeah.
It's like a very normal thing.
It's a very normal thing.
And I think that's kind of scary in a lot of ways, especially because Ted Bundy, who is like one of the most famous serial killers ever, admitted that that was something he was addicted to.
And then guess what?
He murdered.
Yeah, I wrote down his quote.
It was before, was he executed?
Yeah.
Okay.
So it was a couple, it was before he was executed.
He was speaking very candidly.
This is his quote.
He said, I've lived in prison a long time now, and I've met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me.
And without exception, every one of them was deeply influenced and consumed by an addiction to pornography.
Gross.
Yeah.
And it kind of makes sense that watching a lot of porn would like desensitize you to other acts of violence because like it's like doing drugs.
I liken it to doing drugs because, okay, you your tolerance builds over time.
And then in order to get that high, you need to keep doing harder drugs or more doses.
And I think it's the same with porn.
Like at first, you're like, oh, I'm just going to watch porn.
And then like mommy, daddy, nice.
Right.
And then you get desensitized and you're like, I need it to be more violent or whatever.
That's another thing.
It's like, sorry.
No, keep going.
The porn that people are watching now is so disgusting.
Like, I, like, there's trends that are like brother, like stepsister, stepdad, like, it's, that's sick.
And like, and like abuse on women.
And it's it's so, people are so desensitized to it that they don't actually realize how frigged up it is and how messed up it's making people in their own brains.
And there's also like, that's one.
So it's like, okay, we're, we're producing little serial killers, maybe, possibly, one section.
And then there's the other section where it's like, what is it doing to young women?
Yeah.
When they have, when men, young men have the expectations of all women being like porn stars, which are willing to do things that regular women are not willing to do.
And then they'll call them prudes and the women will feel like young kids are doing, I'm not going to get graphic, but they're doing more stuff than we did in our generation.
Like kids in high school are doing grosser, weirder stuff than ever.
And it's getting younger and younger and they're experimenting with more stuff.
And I think it's because of porn.
Yeah, absolutely.
Way out of control.
Well, and it's completely degrading for women, first of all.
Like it just, it is.
Like, I'm sorry.
There's no, it will never be an empowering industry for women because, first of all, a couple things.
One, the person you could be watching could be underage and you just don't know it.
That's a huge problem.
It's a huge problem.
Number two, they could be a victim of human trafficking and you're watching a slave.
Yes.
So I just, and this, and by watching porn and continuing to watch it, you are feeding into that industry, which is enabling human trafficking and child pornography.
Like you are feeding into that.
So I just think that, I just think it's disgusting.
And I just, it just makes me sick.
There's a woman on Twitter who is, she was herself a victim of human trafficking.
Her name's Eliza Blue.
And I follow her on Twitter and I'll put her tweets up here.
She talks non-stop.
It's all she talks about about mostly pornhub and how many people on pornhub are young people who are trafficked and pornhub has no responsibility.
They'll take it down if it's proven, but like there's no responsibility to verify that these girls are above 18 and are willing partners or being paid or whatever needs to take place legally to make it legal.
So you, like Nat just said, you could be watching porn and you could be watching a victim of sexual, like sex trafficking and not even knowing it.
And you are now a part of a sex, like you're encouraging, you're propagating this disgusting, horrifying, tragic thing that is so rampant in society.
Yeah.
Super sad.
No, absolutely.
And according to the National Center on Sexual Exploitation, pornography fosters aggression by normalizing and depicting verbal and physical violence as enjoyable.
So aggressive acts against women and porn occur at roughly in 87% of the scenes.
That's a huge red flag.
That's a red flag.
Color, okay.
And obviously, like you mentioned, it kind of creates unreachable standards for women.
Women don't look like that, and women don't enjoy sex like that.
And I think, like, I mean, there's also research that shows consuming porn, like, changes the structure of your brain, and it just, it desensitizes us.
Like, it just, I mean, guys, like, this is a serious thing, and our society's pushing it on people.
I mean, what is the age that young people are exposed to porn?
Like 11 or something, I think, is the age.
That's really young.
You're like pre-pubescent.
That's horrifying.
Like, that's got to have some safety, safety parameters on your kids' tablets.
Absolutely.
And I think like another side of this is like sex is such an intimate and private thing.
And I don't think anyone should be around, well, and you're having sex.
So why are you thinking it's okay to watch someone else have sex whether they're paid to do it or not?
I just think it's really gross.
Yeah.
And it's, and like I've mentioned, it's different than the porn of the 80s.
Right.
Women.
Well, it's not Playboy magazine.
No, no.
It's not so, like, again, it's still bad, but it's not like full-blush softcore.
Like, it's people are doing gross things and degrading women and women are acting like they are enjoying it.
And then that is now how men think women want to be treated.
And it will rewire people's brains and it will make women do things that they don't want to do.
And it's plus, it's tragic.
Like, if you're in a relationship, I would, I could think it's you're being unfaithful.
Like, you're cheating.
If you're, if you're tiptoeing behind your spouse's back and you're watching other people get freaky, like, I just think that you're cheating on them, frankly.
I don't know if that's cheating.
Like, I think it's gross.
I think it is because sex, like, the Bible is really clear about sexual immorality.
It makes sense.
It's cheating.
I think most people would probably say it's not, but I get most people.
But what if your wife didn't know about it?
Yeah.
And you were doing that behind her back.
Like, I, you know, especially, I don't know.
It's gross.
You shouldn't do it.
Because it's also addictive, which means it's therefore destructive.
And we're not supposed to give into temptation as Christians, right?
Absolutely.
And yes, our pastor has mentioned that.
And also, if you're in a marriage and you're watching porn behind your wife's back or your husband's back, you're not going to be intimate with your partner in the same way and willing to the same extent that you should be.
And you're going to have these, like I mentioned, expectations, or you're not going to be interested in it at all because you've already serviced yourself.
Yeah, no, it's true.
There's a study, a 2008 study of sexuality in France, which found that 20% of men 18 to 24 had no interest in sex or sexual activity after watching porn.
Like that's teenagers.
Like isn't that when you're usually your most like primal about sex?
Like that's scary.
And it's kind of like, sorry.
No, I was just going to say it can also cause erectile dysfunction and, as you mentioned, can influence the physical power dynamics in a sexual relationship.
So it reminds me of how I think we've mentioned, I mean, it reminds me of MGTOW.
Like those men are going their own way and they don't want anything to do with women, but I guarantee they're watching pornography.
And then B, it reminds me of how men don't want to get married because I had this theory that was like, well, of course, because they have Uber Eats and pornography.
Yeah.
Like what do they, like, what incentive do you have?
Like for, and obviously not all women cook and yada yada, but like in a traditional sense, like a woman is going to care for her family and she's going to care for the home.
And if you have Uber Eats and pornography, you literally don't really need a girl.
That's true.
And maybe society's been pushing this on us on purpose.
Almost like, well, when Bill Gates talks about how we have too high of a population, we need to decrease the population.
It's almost a red flag.
It's almost as if every facet of secular society is doing everything they can to make sure that men and women aren't getting married because they know that that is the bedrock of a successful blossoming society.
And they don't want society to blossom out because they want us to own nothing and be happy, y'all.
Yikes.
They want us to consume media and consume online goods and consume Uber Eats and pornography and just stay in our little and be fat and miserable.
And then we'll depend on the government because we're sick from all the food that we're eating and we have diabetes and we're depressed.
So we're on the end.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's terrifying.
Right.
So things are.
I think the point of this conversation, too, is not necessarily to condemn people.
I think there's condemned.
I think there's grace for you.
If you know if you're suffering from a porn addiction, there is people who want to help you.
I would just say, like, just try stopping.
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Yeah.
And we'll see how that goes.
Repent too, maybe.
Yeah.
Pick up another hobby.
Pick up another hobby.
But I think just as a rule of thumb, when it comes to anything that society deems as okay, especially when it comes to like sexual immoralities, I mean, look at all the crazy stuff we're seeing at the Pride Parades these days.
Like society wants us to think all this is okay.
Yeah.
It's okay to shake your wiener in front of eight-year-olds in a parade, you know?
Like, as a rule of thumb, anything that society's pushing on you, just say no.
Yeah, you should definitely question it.
Yeah.
Strongly.
You know, like just sit with it.
Yeah.
You know, with a bowl of garrets and think about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know?
I think so.
That's all I have to say.
I think.
Really?
Yeah.
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