Nat and Kat dissect Kim Kardashian’s 2022 Met Gala Marilyn Monroe dress—criticized for its fragile historical symbolism and her extreme weight loss—as part of a broader debate on celebrity culture’s prioritization of appearance over responsibility. They pivot to the leaked Roe v. Wade draft, rejecting misinformation like rape/incest claims (1% of abortions) while urging research into fetal development, adoption alternatives, and physical/mental consequences. The episode frames abortion as a complex moral issue, not just bodily autonomy, and condemns treating it as contraception, citing cases like Maya’s Plan B reliance or Beatrice’s fear of IUDs. Wing joins to promote their show, emphasizing support networks over isolation, and urges viewers to reconsider abortion’s ethical weight amid post-Roe fears. [Automatically generated summary]
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Or birthing person.
Or birthing person.
We are your hosts.
I'm Nat.
And I'm Kat.
And today we're going to be talking about the Met Gala, the Gilded Glamour and all of its splendor.
And of course, the more serious topic of the recent leak of the Roe v. Wade Possible Overturning.
So before we get into it, let's not and we'll just get into it.
Let's not.
Okay.
Kim Kardashian Met Gala 2022 comments on weight loss are harmful and unnecessary.
So according to Teen Voke.
According to Teenvoke.
And actually a few others.
But okay, so let's just backpedal a little.
Last episode, I believe it was, we talked about the theme.
And so just in case y'all don't know, Gilded Glamour, which is a continuation into American fashion.
And it was coined.
It was coined Gilded Glamour with the promise of celebrities wearing tight corsets, bodices, and grandiose headwear.
And it's a historical period from the 1870s to the early 1900s.
You hear that, Kim?
Yeah, Kim.
So I didn't know 1962 happy birthday, Mr. President.
Yes.
A part of the theme.
So for those who don't know, the reality star wore the actual dress that Marilyn Monroe wore in Happy Birthday, Mr. President.
Yes.
And people are mad.
Yeah, people are mad for like all the wrong reasons, I think.
I think so too.
I think they should be mad because it's literally not the theme at all.
In no way was it the theme, and I thought it was a pretty disappointing look.
But that's not why people are mad.
So there's lots of, there's basically two reasons that people are mad.
The first is that it is apparently the dress is a historical piece of Americana and people are mad that she wore it because they don't think that anyone should get to wear it because it should be in a museum or it should just be like it is a fragile piece of garment.
Yes.
And apparently every time you wear it, it rips a little bit and there's all these like micro threads and there's hand-sewn beads and people are upset about that.
Yeah.
And the other criticism.
Yes, so they're very upset that she lost 16 pounds to fit in it, sort of, but she didn't actually fit in it.
She couldn't actually zip it up in the back, which is why you see her wearing that beautiful shawl, which she said was fine because it was very Marilyn Monroe-esque.
How lovely of her.
How kind of her.
Yeah.
It's funny because her butt implants couldn't fit in the dress made for a human woman.
Maybe just use your real butt next time, Kim.
So people are mad because she lost 16 pounds in three weeks, actually, which is pretty, it's a lot, that's a large amount of pounds, okay?
Like, we've been trying for months and not even, I've gained.
Yeah.
Like, you know, it ain't.
It is hard.
I mean, it's hard because I only weigh 16 pounds total.
Yes.
So for me to lose 16 pounds, I would literally just be in the head.
She'd be like, you know, when you go to a store with the automatic doors, the door just wouldn't open.
It wouldn't open.
It wouldn't recognize you.
It barely does now.
Ah, the dream.
That's Kim's dream, too.
So, yeah, so basically people are just mad because they think that she is supposed to be setting a good example for women.
And I actually don't agree because I don't think she's ever possessed.
I was going to say, like, her whole claim to fame is based on her mother releasing a sex tape, which was actually in the news last week again because Ray J, the gentleman caller.
The gentleman.
The gentleman caller who was featured in said film actually came out and said that it was his idea to release it, but that the Kardashian family was well on board and they discussed it all beforehand.
And then Chris Jenner ended up like making it happen and that Kim Kardashian was in possession of the tape the entire time.
Not super important to the conversation, but it's interesting that that's, we have to remember that this role model came from a sex tape.
So, you know, gross.
Yeah, and also, I mean, we've talked about her body on the show that's slim, thick.
Like, she doesn't, she knows that she sets a terrible example for women and she sets these unreachable standards and she doesn't care.
Like, she just frankly doesn't care.
And nor should she.
No.
Why not?
Why does she have to care?
It's not like she's the first.
So one of, you know, we can get through our pros and cons here, but like one thing that comes to mind right off the top is like, why, she's not the first person to set impossible body standards.
Like, if you want to talk about Marilyn Monroe, she herself had her breasts done, had her nose done.
Like these people that we look up to, barely any of them are natural looking.
They all starve themselves.
So to say that Kim Kardashian is salad.
Totally kidding.
But like to say that Kim Kardashian should be like the bastion for like young girls in terms of like body positivity.
It's like she never agreed to do that nor do any of these celebrities agree to do that.
Yeah, and I think the funny thing that they don't realize is that by talking about her, by stirring up this controversy, they're really playing into exactly what she planned all along.
I think she obviously knew it was going to piss people off.
Like who the hell is Kim Kardashian to deserve to wear any historical figure's dress?
I mean she can afford literally any gown in the world, but she, there's a privilege that came with being one of the only other people to get to wear that gown.
And like we're just we're part of the problem too, I guess, because we're talking about it.
But like this is exactly what she wanted, haters.
Yeah.
And I think that is part of the reason that people get so salty about it because they're like, who is she?
And it's like, well, this is the kind of person that we've propped up in society.
And like, whether you like her or not, like, Marilyn Monroe isn't that much better.
Like, sorry to say, she had an affair with a sitting president.
Like, I like Marilyn Monroe just fine, but had I been a young woman growing up in the 60s, maybe I would have been negatively influenced by her semi-trashy behavior.
Right?
No, that's a great point.
So it's like, we've always propped up beautiful, troubled women.
This isn't the first time and it's not going to be the last.
And I think it's also part of like Kim Kardashian maybe had an ego thing where she's like, because she had the replica dress built as well because she wore the real dress for just the photos and then for the rest of the night, she wore a replica of it.
Well, it's like, why wouldn't you just wear the replica the whole night?
Right.
Well, she wanted to be the person, like you mentioned before, the only other person other than Marilyn Monroe to wear the dress.
So it's like, she's just an ego thing and like you're playing into it.
A thousand percent.
I think there are two other things to touch on.
So I think the one, like the people that she should actually be setting a good example for, and I think why it's warranted to be pissed off at her, is because she's a mother to daughters.
So losing that amount of weight, even though she and her trainer claim that she did it in a healthy way.
I mean, okay, sure.
You were still limiting your diet extremely, you know?
She's a mom.
She should be setting a better example for her kids.
They're like, oh, mommy can lose 16 pounds in three weeks to fit into a dress for four minutes.
Like, is that really the example you want to set for your own children?
Screw the world.
Like, who cares how you're influencing the rest of us?
But your own flesh and blood, whom you love, I assume.
That's weird.
Yeah, well, that actually reminds me of part of the controversy of, you know, the whole Ray J thing that came up last week because on Keeping Up with the Kardashians, apparently she said that Ray J had or someone had another sex tape that hadn't been released and someone was threatening to release it.
And now her lawyer said no such tape exists.
But then on the show, Kim said there is one.
It's just funny because she was like, I want to protect my children from this.
And it's like, well, maybe you should have thought of your future children before you put out the sex tape in the first place.
Like, obviously, we don't live in retrospect, but like, why, like, why have you never put out a sex tape?
Like, because you don't want anyone to freaking see it.
You don't want your future children.
You don't want your family, your father.
You don't want any of these people.
Especially your father.
Yeah, you don't want these people to see that.
So, like, Kim, you should have thought about that maybe before releasing your own sex tape.
It's a good point.
It's a really good point.
Thanks.
Yeah, you're a genius.
And I think the other maybe not so popular take I have on this is why can't people wear these dresses?
Like what's the point in them just hanging there never being honored?
I mean cool people can go in and look at it, but like dresses are meant to be worn.
I'd never seen it.
Me either.
Other than in like black and white.
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, that's a really good point.
And we were talking about this because like sometimes I like to buy vintage stuff like vintage purses and vintage blouses and dresses.
And it's like some people are saying, well, did she get permission from the late Marilyn Monroe to wear her dress?
It's like, no, but did I have permission from this granny that I bought the blouse from?
Yeah.
Like, I mean, from the thrift store, but like it was not my shirt to wear, arguably.
That's funny, yeah.
So we all love thrifted stuff.
And then when she does it.
And she did get permission from the museum.
It's not like she stole it.
Yeah, and it's an eyebrow.
It's a private, so it belongs to Ripley's in LA or something like that.
Florida.
Right.
So it's not like it was a public museum and that she like bribed, stole it, like you said, or bribed someone or whatever.
It's like a private company, Ripley's, is literally all about attraction and entertainment and making sales.
So like they're happy to have her wear it.
And maybe more people will go see the attraction in real life because of it.
No, definitely.
And it seems like, to her credit, she did respect the conditions.
She didn't wear body makeup.
And that's big of her.
I know.
Gross.
We saw her real arms that evening.
She didn't look that good.
Yeah.
But, you know, at least she was amicable with the people in charge.
And I think that's fine.
Like, I personally think it's fun that we get to see these kind of gowns out in action.
I mean, we see jewelry get recycled at these types of events.
Like royal jewels and whatnot.
Exactly.
And like, we love fashion.
Like, I think it would be so fun to be able to wear gowns like that.
Yeah.
Maybe this one is a little too fragile.
I understand that.
But in other contexts, why not?
Yeah.
Why not?
Yeah.
And I think it's funny because a lot of the people, and I don't know specifically how these people lean politically.
Right.
But a lot of these people might lean left who are like upset by this.
And it's like, y'all are the people who topple down statues of people that you don't like.
But it's super up offensive to you when Kim Kardashian wears an old dress.
Like, come on.
Yeah, no, that's a funny point.
It's true.
Like, you're like, down with whatever.
And it's like, we must preserve history.
Yeah, like, oh, should old dress.
Do we?
Yeah.
Do we?
Hollywood Americana is so important, but a statue of like Sir John A. McDonald should be taken down.
Like, come on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's rename all the universe and stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hello, Ryerson.
Marilyn Monroe.
She's just a woman who had an affair with a president.
Yeah.
Like I don't hate the woman.
No, of course not.
It's like, it's like, why are we preserving her legacy so much?
Well, Kim Kardashian.
She's blonde.
Yeah.
People too like blonde.
That's going to happen to me, too.
I'm going to wear your clothes when you die.
Not without permission.
I'm going to have to lose 16 pounds to fit into the clothes.
You'll be in a lot of trouble if you do this to him.
Apparently.
So there's a lot.
One of the things that I, this is not any of the talking points that we had, but isn't it funny to see his, what's his face?
Her date?
Pete Davidson.
Pete Davidson finally not looking like a trash bag.
Some kind of looked like one, though.
I mean, it's just funny because like literally like a month ago or two months ago when they came out, he looked like someone who lived in his mother's basement with his disgusting hair and his gross jewelry and his gross clothes.
And now he's like vogue.
And it's like, hmm, this is funny when men are like, that is funny.
That's funny.
You got whipped, boy.
Yeah.
That's fair.
She's a powerful woman, apparently.
She is, and she'll tell you what to wear, and you will wear it.
But also, just maybe one final thing on this.
Yes, the blonde hair, Kim.
The blonde 10 hours.
10 hours.
What's the longest you've ever sat in a chair getting your hair done?
Like three.
I've done six.
Oh, wow.
It was awful.
You have a lot more hair than me.
I had foils.
I had, it was highlights.
So hers was a full bleach job that she got, and she did 10 hours of like, because you have to take it out and then do another lift and rinse and another blue, whatever it is.
Yeah, yeah.
And so for me, the longest I've ever sat in was six hours, and it was atrocious, and it was so expensive, and I hated it.
And I was devastated at the end.
So I can only imagine like triggered.
Yeah, seriously, like her scalp, her poor scalp.
And she made a comment, like, I'm willing to lose my hair for this.
And it's like, why?
Because you can afford to get new hair.
Yeah, you'll just get new hair plugged in here from your thighs up on your head.
Yeah.
The rest of us don't have that privilege.
This is the only hair we have.
It's just like, I also think she just didn't look as good as she normally looks.
Well, that's another thing I wanted to say.
I don't think any of this paid off.
You losing 16 pounds, you dyeing your hair, you didn't look the best.
No, she looked kind of old.
And I'm not like, just because she's a beautiful woman, I was kind of just like, oh, it's kind of disappointing.
Like, before I knew what the dress was, I was just like, oh, like, I was like, that's kind of plain.
I agree.
Not your best.
Like, other people looked way better.
We'll talk about it later.
Yes, we will.
SJP.
Literally almost everybody looks good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It wasn't worth it.
It wasn't a dress that was made for her.
It didn't fit her body.
She couldn't get her fake butt implants in it.
And then she wore the replica for the rest of the night, anyways, which probably was made to fit her body, which probably looked awesome, which we don't even get to see.
It's like, unfortunate, I would have loved to see her in like a costumized version of the dress.
And even then, it was like, it's not even on the theme.
Like, yeah, whatever.
Yeah.
You know, we could go on about this forever, but we will.
Comments will be meaner and meaner as we go on.
Why watch our show?
So let's talk.
Why watch the show?
You don't want to hear us talk about Kim Kardashi.
Abortion Controversy Cycle00:15:28
It's true.
It's true.
We will be doing a segment where we read your mean comments one day.
So please just give us your worst.
I'm ready for it.
Maybe we should talk about something less controversial.
Help of abortion.
Roe v. Wade, y'all.
So we did talk about abortion a couple weeks ago, but it's unfortunate that we have to touch on the story.
We were hoping to never talk about it.
Yeah, you shouldn't do it.
That's kind of the bottom line, but here we are.
Before we jump into it, can I just offer a little historical background on Roe v. Wade?
I know we did a little bit briefly, but this will take fans.
There's so many of you.
I'll just give me two seconds here.
So in 1969, Norma L. McCorvey found out she was pregnant.
So in Texas at the time where she was living, abortion was legal only for rape and incest, okay?
So she visited an illegal clinic to get an abortion and she discovered it was shut down.
And then she teamed up with Linda Coffey and Sarah Weddington, two recent graduates of the University of Texas Law School, who brought forth a lawsuit on her behalf.
So they changed her name to Jane Rowe so as to protect her identity.
Basically, they argued that she had a right to obtain an abortion in a legal setting and the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas agreed.
So in 1973, the Supreme Court ruled that a woman has the liberty, sorry, to have an abortion without excessive government restriction on the federal level, meaning federal government doesn't have the power to stop abortion in the first trimester.
So then on May 3rd, Politico reported that they were given the initial draft with a majority opinion that voted to overturn this very historical precedent setting court ruling.
Yes.
That's what we're going to talk about.
And it's important to note that this does not mean that people in America cannot get an abortion, that there's some new federal law that's overturned abortion.
It does mean, however, that states that previously had abortion bans and ones that are wanting to now can.
Yeah, possibly once the actual so it's not even overturned yet.
It's just a leak that is saying that probably this summer it will likely be overturned.
So it's important to know you still can get an abortion in the United States.
You might just have to take a little bit of a drive.
So people are acting like this is, they're being denied clean drinking water.
They are.
Reaction?
Like, my life is in danger.
It's, it's insanity.
It's insanity.
Absolutely insanity.
And there's so much actual misinformation spreading around.
That's crazy.
And one of the huge proponents of spreading this misinformation is, of course, Teen Vogue.
Shocking.
Oh, Teen Vogue.
What are we going to do with you?
Maybe we should just start with the fact that it's a little weird that Teen Vogue cares so much about abortions when it's a magazine for teenagers.
Yeah.
Not young adults, but teenagers.
Teens, you know, kids in high school, middle school, kids who don't.
Like, I was reading Vogue when I was in high school.
So Teen Vogue to me was too young.
Yeah.
When I was in high school, I'm like, oh, that's for kids.
But not anymore, folks.
It's teaching you the good stuff.
So should we just jump right into the first article?
So this article is from Teen Vogue.
And it kind of follows how, what's her name?
Oh my gosh, what's her name?
Elizabeth Warren.
My goodness.
So sorry.
Elizabeth Warren had a not so eloquent or whatever.
She's not graceful.
She just starts screaming.
And they're like, she's allowed to because she's so mad.
She's so passionate.
I think it's also important to note that these pro-choicers are trying to reword it from pro-life to anti-choice.
So I'm not pro-life.
I'm anti-choice.
Where I'm like, can I just reword it that you're anti-baby?
You're anti-life, you're anti-family.
Like, would that feel good to them?
Are these the same people who are anti-choice when it comes to taking a COVID-19 vaccine?
Yes, they are.
Yes, they are, Natasha.
It's interesting.
That is the thing that I've noticed the most is where people are like, oh, all these pro, all these anti-vaxxers, like, where are you on this my body, my choice thing now?
And it's like, yeah, I mean, you can draw that comparison, but you're kind of forgetting one major element of this argument where it's like, it's not just your body.
There's a freaking other body involved in it, and that's called the baby.
Yeah, and I mean, I correct me if I'm wrong, but when you kill a pregnant person, is it not considered a double homicide?
It is Natasha.
Oh, my goodness gracious.
Yeah, so this article here, it's a different one, but it's also from Teen Vogue, and it's young people are switching their birth control before abortion access via Roe v. Wade falls.
And if we want to look at the sign that this young lady is holding up here, it says, this isn't really about babies, it's about controlling our bodies.
It's not about babies.
Literally about then.
What is it about?
The pro-life movement is literally about protecting actually babies and mothers, y'all.
So young people.
And fathers.
And fathers.
Who nobody seems to care about at all.
Yeah.
No, no one seems.
That's a whole nother discussion that we should definitely have one day.
The only people that are allowed to have a like a voice on this who are men are pro-choice men.
Yeah, and they're creepy.
And they're so creepy.
Like, all I see on my Instagram are men that I know in real life who are so pro-vaccine, who some of them, literally the same people, literally have attacked me personally for being pro-choice when it comes to vaccine.
And then they're out here being like, we're a woman's right to choose what happens to her body.
And I'm like, calm down, sir.
Like, you've literally, literally attacked me personally about my decision to not be vaccinated.
And now you're saying you want to abort babies.
What you want is you want sex with no consequences.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's what it feels like.
No, it's so true.
And I mean, these people always talk about, oh, reproductive health, women's rights, you know, women's reproductive, whatever.
And it's like, yet you refer to women as uterus owners, birthing people, you know, pregnant people.
It's like, you can't have it both ways.
Like, if we're gonna, as Alib Stuckey tweeted this, actually, let me just find it here in my notes.
She said, women's rights to most progressive just means the right to kill babies and doesn't include ensuring women's bathrooms, locker rooms, sports teams, prisons, and abuse shelters are protected and safe.
So spare me if I don't take their outcry seriously.
It's true.
Like we can't just scream justice for all and then exclude the unborn and then be okay when biological males are raping women in prison because they identify as females.
Like, I'm sorry, you cannot have it both ways.
And women who are holding up signs saying, like, if you don't have a uterus, you don't have an opinion.
It's like, where were you during the conversation about freaking Leah Thomas and all the, like, she doesn't have a uterus or he doesn't have a uterus or whatever you want to call Leah Thomas.
No uterus, but definitely a woman in your eyes.
But anyone without a uterus doesn't have an opinion on the life or death of their own offspring.
Yeah.
That's cray, you guys.
That is straight up cray.
It's straight.
This whole conversation is crazy.
And you think Teen Vogue would do a better job at trying to encourage young people to prevent pregnancy.
Yes.
Prevent pregnancy.
Exactly.
That's a whole other bag of worms.
And I think we should talk about it because in all of the research that we did for this episode, I never saw, other than from Evie, I never saw one article saying, well, here's some natural forms of birth control.
Here's how you check your basal body temperature.
Right?
Like learn about your menstrual cycle.
Learn about your mental activity.
Your cycle, your whole cycle, not just your period.
Like, there's a great EV article on just that.
It's literally...
And we've talked about this before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
About how tracking your entire cycle helps, not only just preventing pregnancy, but like tracking your moods.
Like your energy level and your moods are dipped right before your period because your estrogen level increases.
Yeah, increases.
And when you're ovulating, you have more energy because your testosterone or progesterone or whatever the one is.
There's a lot of varones wrong.
Yeah.
There's a lot of esoteric.
Your estrogen dips.
And so you go through these cycles and it really affects your mood and how you feel and when you're feeling sick and tired and when you have more headaches and when you're prone to bloating and all this stuff and people have there was no mention of any of this in any of the articles and they're and they're all saying like like uh contraception is super important because people are scared that um this Roe v. Wade being overturned is going to overturn other laws that allow women to get access to contraceptives.
Which is not listed anywhere.
It's not listed anywhere.
But if you're going to go down that road, why don't you talk about the natural forms of contraceptive?
It's like there are so many things that you can do to ensure that you're not going to get pregnant.
And obviously one of them is abstinence.
And I'm not going to be your high school teacher and just say, don't have sex, don't have sex.
But like, don't have sex, maybe.
But there's also like, you can track your cycle.
There are times on your cycle where you cannot get pregnant.
Then you can pull out.
You can wear condoms.
Like you can track your temperature.
Like there are so many things you can do.
And it's not listed anywhere and it's really frustrating.
Yeah, no, it's true.
And I think people just need to be aware.
Like when you consent to sex, you do consent to pregnancy, okay?
Like that is, that is one of the implications of having sex with someone.
So you are responsible.
You are responsible.
And that means when you get pregnant, it is not the baby's fault that you decided to have sex with Rando McGee, okay?
Like it's not fair that these innocent things who don't have things, people, these innocent babies that don't have a voice, don't get to defend themselves.
And you are actually, you are taking away their right to live.
You are deciding for them.
You are playing God.
It's like your embodiment.
It's like their body, your choice.
Yeah.
It's completely unfair.
So unfair.
And we should also mention, because critics of what we're saying right now will say, well, what about women who didn't choose to have sex?
What about women who were raped?
Sure, we looked it up just before coming in here.
You knew already, but I didn't.
The actual stats from a study from 2004 and 1970 or 86.
Yeah.
1978 or something.
1% of abortions are because of rape.
Yeah.
Less than 1% are because of incest.
So yes, that is obviously super tragic.
And I think that maybe there's a conversation to be had about that when you literally didn't consent to sex.
However, there are still things you can do.
Like you can put your child up for adoption.
Like there are lots of things you can do.
1%.
We're talking about 1%.
Yeah.
No, it's true.
And then another argument that I would love to bring up is that a lot of people say that when you render abortion illegal, women are going to go and do illegal things or they're going to hurt themselves trying to abort the baby themselves.
But actually, apparently the number of women who died from illegal abortions prior to Roe v. Wade was actually greatly inflated by those lobbying for the legalization of abortion.
So they basically lied about how many people were actually dying from, like, I guess, self-homemade abortions and stuff, just so that they could further their political agenda.
So it's really not true.
And in fact, I would argue, actually, I'm sure there's stats to support this, that since the legalization of abortion, there have been more, not less.
Yes, 100%.
So it's because of, and I think it's because of Teen Vogue, for example, who is allowing abortion to arise.
And it's a contraceptive precision.
Yeah, it's not a form of birth control to kill a baby once it's already been fertilized and growing in your stomach.
Like that is, you're too late for contraception and birth control at that point.
Also, it's interesting.
Remember months ago, the whole Joe Rogan thing with the horse deworming, the ivermectin thing, Vice, I think it was Vice.
I'll have to look that up.
But one of these left-wing publications was just, you know, slandering him, saying that he was taking horse dewormer and how dangerous that is for him to be telling his fans that he can take a horse base, even though literally his doctor prescribed it for him.
He didn't get it from a vet.
However, the same publication, I think it was Vice, said that if abortion becomes illegal in your state, you can use a veterinary, I forget what the actual use for the animal is, but it causes a pill that you can get from a vet that will cause you to have an abortion at your house.
My God, what are you doing?
Like, you're not just, so it's not okay to cure your cough with something that can also be used to help a horse.
But it is okay to kill a baby with something that may be helpful for a horse.
What if you don't kill it?
What if you just hurt it?
And I think the same people who are rah-rah-rah, abortion, teenagers, you deserve your abortions, the pro-choice lobby in general, they don't have to deal with the consequences.
When you get an abortion, you have to deal with those implications.
You have to deal with the spiritual, physical, mental toll that that has on your body, okay?
Like these people who are like, oh, whatever, just go for it.
It's like, it's like going to the dentist.
It's like, you know, it's hat smear.
It's not.
It's not.
It is not.
And they don't have to deal with the consequences you do.
And as we've mentioned in previous episodes, there is grace for you if you've had an abortion.
We're not here to condemn you or judge you.
There is grace for you.
And there are people who want to talk to you and support you.
Go to church, talk to your family friends.
Women who've had abortions is not helpful.
It's not graceful.
That's not the game we want to do.
No, absolutely not.
we're not here to judge you but we do want people to be aware that there's something very sinister about this narrative around abortion yeah the culture we live in where yeah remember that video that did you see that video last week where this old woman was talking to a bunch of young concern like university students No.
Oh my gosh.
Uh-oh.
She said, she said, if, girls, if you get pregnant, go down to the abortion clinic and get that bastard sucked out.
Said the person who can't have kids.
Yeah, said the old woman.
Yeah, that the ratchet.
Post menopausal.
Yes.
And they're like, it was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
Well, we should add that clip in here for y'all to watch for yourselves.
It's highly disgusting.
That's great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's like kind of like, yeah, like you said, like, this woman can't even have kids.
Like, maybe you're just jealous that they still have their fertility, which is horrible.
But you know what happens, older women being jealous of young women.
So it's like really disgusting.
There's so much to talk about.
There's so much to address here.
And I wish we had more time to, you know, really deep dive even more.
I think too, one of the interesting things about people who are like pro-abortion is that they don't really have any idea why they believe what they believe.
Like it's like the same.
It's just the narrative.
It's just what everyone's told.
Exactly.
You know, I think people actually literally believe, oh, abortion is going to become illegal everywhere.
I can't have birth control.
That's not true.
And I think it's a part of the reason why there's so much ignorance on that side.
It's because the same people who deem themselves as open-minded aren't actually willing to go and research the other side to actually educate themselves on why people on the right, more so, more often, you know, are pro-life or are pro-choice when it comes to vaccines or are anti-mask potentially.
You don't even want to take the time to hear why we feel this way.
Yet you call yourself open-minded?
You ain't.
You're just reading your friend's Instagram post and that's what that, then you're calling it a day.
Like you don't know crap, dude.
I also understand like if you, because like some of us know people who have had abortions, like do I want to make my friends cry and feel bad?
No.
Absolutely not.
So I understand the need to feel like, okay, I don't want to be pro-life because I'm going to make my friend feel bad and like she might hate me and she might feel bad about herself.
Like I get it.
But when I, I, I'm still teetering with it myself.
Like I don't even, I mean, I consider myself pro-life, but I also consider myself pro-choice.
Like it's hard for me.
Like I'm not quite all the way there yet.
But when we were doing our research for our first episode talking about abortion, I watched, I did a lot of research and I watched a video on how babies are formed in the womb.
And it's like five weeks, they start to look like something that you'd recognize.
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And you can get a pill abortion up to 12 weeks.
So at 12 weeks, it really looks like something like a, it's a baby, obviously, but it really looks like a baby.
And it feels pain and heart.
It has a heart and lungs.
Yeah, and it really started to shift my view on the whole subject.
And I started thinking, I mean, I never wanted one for myself and I never would have, but I started thinking, it really pushed me on to the pro-choice side, or sorry, the pro-life side.
And I just think that if you want to be pro-choice, you should really look into that yourself.
Look at what an abortion actually is.
Look at the terminology that they use.
We've talked about this before, but Planned Parenthood uses the term pregnancy tissue when talking about a freaking baby.
A human being with a soul, by the way.
Yeah.
So it's really upsetting.
And if you want to be pro-choice, fine, but do the research on both sides and just see exactly what you're doing.
Look at what a medical abortion does, which is the pill, and look what a surgical abortion does.
Look at, watch one.
You should watch one.
You can watch one through like an ultrasound.
It's really, really disturbing.
It's like watching a murder.
Yeah.
It's watching a murder.
That is what it is.
So you should do your research before if you're planning on having one.
Do your research and know that there's other options.
You can definitely give birth and put your baby up for adoption to someone because there's multiple families who are in for abortion.
I will take your baby.
Yeah, I'll take your baby.
Like there are people who just can't have babies of their own that they would love your baby and they will give it a great life and you should consider that.
And I think too, just on this note, if you are listening to the show and you are considering getting an abortion, please reach out to someone.
Like reach out to a Christian friend, you know, your parents, us.
Email us.
I will pray for you.
Like honestly, I'm serious.
Like we don't want you to do this alone.
You are not alone.
There are so many organizations out there who will help you, who will help you, you know, give you access to things that you may not be able to afford, et cetera.
Like there are so many options for you.
You are not as alone as our society wants you to feel.
They want you to feel alone.
It's just like the isolation due to COVID itself.
It sounds like a tinfoil hat theory, but like look at you.
Look at your life.
You live in a condo alone.
You order your food online.
You watch Netflix.
You work from home.
You're isolated, but you don't need to be.
Just because that's how people are trying to make you feel.
You don't need to live that way.
And I also think it's important to note that when we were talking about the 1% of abortions because of rape, the number one reason that women have abortions is because they don't think that the baby would fit into their life.
So it's like that's super fickle, but if that's the reason yeah, if that's the reason, then have the baby and give it up to someone who will fit into their life.
Like if that's your reason, that's not a good reason.
Or do a better job preventing pregnancy.
Sorry.
Condoms, pull out, check your basal body temperature, like track your cycles.
There's so much to know.
It's a quick Google away, friends.
It really is.
And I was shocked yesterday when I was reading about, I never knew about your body temperature and how you literally can like, there are, there are apps.
There are apps and you can have like a thermostat or thermometer and you can check your temperature and then you plug it into your app and it'll tell you like, oh, you're fertile in two days.
Yeah.
Don't have sex on those two days.
Like literally, or it's like five days maybe where you're fertile.
Yeah.
The rest of the time you're not, you're not fertile.
So go for it, you know?
Trust the science, you know?
Yeah.
Trust the science.
It's safe and effective, you guys.
Yeah.
Should we just quickly read some of these?
Yeah, I think we should quickly read some of the people who are afraid.
Yeah.
So this is from an article from, oh, Teen Vogue.
Young people are switching their birth control before abortion access via Roe v. Wade.
Why does this make no sense to me, this article title?
Because it's written when you're talking about it.
Also, one of the paragraphs in this article starts with and, the word and.
I thought that was a no-no.
Stylistic choice.
I'm not a great grammar person, but I start some sentences with and, but then I don't go and say and just kill the baby.
So I don't know.
No, I'm just kidding.
That's funny.
Here's a funny one.
So these are young women who are talking about why they're so scared about Roe v. Wade.
So this says, Maya says she isn't attracted to men, but has thought about purchasing Plan B just in case.
My note was erm.
Why?
Why?
I don't even know if we need to explain it.
Yeah.
Goodness gracious.
Okay, this one was interesting too, though.
So Beatrice says that as a sexual assault survivor, she turned away from the option of an IUD because she was afraid the insertion would be triggering.
It's like, but having a living human being dismembered or sucked out of your uterus would be less triggering.
You're not making sense.
And I'm so sorry that you were sexual.
No, that's awful.
I would wish that on nobody.
Honestly, that's just tremendously terrifying and horrible.
But come on.
Like, you don't make any sense, Beatrice.
No.
You don't make sense.
And this one is Hannah had bad side effects from birth control in the past, but she's now returning to it because she said she'd rather risk it than getting pregnant in post-Roe America.
Again, that's not your only option.
And it's not contraceptive.
Yeah.
Like contraceptive.
Sorry.
Well, birth control is.
Yeah, but abortion isn't.
No, yeah, exactly.
All of these, the points that these people are making are leading me to believe that they actually think abortion is contraceptive.
And they do.
And some women treat it like that.
Yeah, and it's, I'm sorry, but it's gross.
Not trying to be judgmental, but that's gross.
Like, that's straight up gross.
If you're just having unprotected sex and then thinking, oh, if I get pregnant, I'll just get an abortion.
Like, that is disgusting.
It is.
If it happens by accident, I mean, sure.
Like, if you tried to you, yeah, but say you, say you did, like, track your temperature and you did wear condoms.
Like, at that point, it's like, you know, kind of God is telling you something.
Well, like I said earlier, consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, even if you've taken those steps.
Like, that's just what happens when you have sex.
Like, you could get pregnant no matter what.
So I just think that people need to be more responsible.
If you're really that scared, don't have sex.
Yeah, why is Teen Vogue like not mentioning like maybe don't have sex at such a young age when you're so young that you're like, I can't even imagine having a baby.
It's like close your legs, like do other stuff.
Yeah.
Do other stuff.
Join a sports team, you know?
Take up clay and pottery.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
Be like me in high school.
Just be nerds like us like this.
Just look.
Just watch Lord of the Rings for, you know, four years straight.
Perfect.
Become a theater kid.
It worked out really well.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It is the best contraceptive.
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Oopsie.
Oopsie.
This was a very fruitful conversation, no pun intended.
Yeah.
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