Amala Ekpunobi and Lewis Brackpool critique California’s progressive policies—like $1.6T student debt cancellation and unchecked homelessness—warning they’re a global blueprint for societal collapse, from Brighton’s decay to Venezuela-style crises. Ekpunobi, a former leftist turned conservative, rejects ideological censorship after facing death threats for debating TikToker Dylan Mulvaney (2.4M followers), while Brackpool compares the UK’s online safety bill to speech suppression under COVID. Both see PragerU’s California stance as a "canary in the coal mine," exposing the "Great Reset" risks of cashless systems and state control, urging honest dialogue despite backlash. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome back to another glorious episode of Andrew Says.
I don't know why I said that.
Joining me today is Amala Ekpinobi, PragerU, and her own show, of course, brand new.
We're going to let her talk about that in a bit.
And Louis Brackpool, of course, Rebel News UK reporter.
Thank you both for being here.
How are you guys?
Doing well.
How are you?
I'm doing well.
Thank you guys.
Amala, you made it into your office.
So early for you.
I'm so sorry.
In the future, just say 10 p.m., Andrew.
That's when we can do it instead.
You just started.
That puts me out of bed at least.
Yeah, that's true.
Not me.
I'm not waking up for seven for anything.
You just started a new show, Unapologetic.
You can see the fancy background.
You want to go to her full screen there?
It's pretty spectacular.
I'm pretty impressed.
Tell everybody why you started this show, what inspired it.
I think I told you first to start a show.
I'm going to take credit for it.
But why did you feel that you wanted to do your own show?
Yeah, well, first and foremost, it was all Andrew's idea.
Thank you.
Secondly, I used to be a former leftist, and I think about that time and reflect on it a lot.
And I think a lot about how I was influenced and who broke through to me to make me realize that maybe I'm on the wrong side of history here.
And a lot of it had to do with compassionate conservatives who are willing to go through the issues and talk about their perspective, talk about the progressive perspective, and really state their understanding as to why somebody might be progressive on these issues, but work their way over to that conservative side and sort of explain why it's a little bit more logical and maybe a little bit more fulfilling to be on that end of things.
And I thought I could do that.
And certainly, I think looking at the younger generation right now, both in the U.S. and Canada and worldwide, we need younger people talking about these things because that's who's truly getting captured by the progressive left in all of this.
Something I've noticed, especially with yourself, Will Witt, people like John Doyle, and something I've been trying to do is not self-censor myself.
And I feel like a lot of people, let's say, in our sphere of politics, have been trying to do their best to be completely honest, unapologetic, you might even say, and just, you know, really, sorry about that, and really just put the point across and not have to self-censor ourselves.
Is that something you're going for?
Because I know you're getting a lot of backlash from maybe the right places, but we'll get into that in a bit.
But is that something you're trying to tell yourself with your shows to not, you know, cut any corners or self-censor yourself?
Oh, absolutely.
I think honesty is truly the best policy and standing by your values.
Of course, if somebody brings an argument or some evidence that proves me wrong, I also don't want to self-censor in that way.
I want to admit, hey, I don't know what we're talking about right now, or I'm not as well versed in this topic yet.
Let me do some research.
Or, you know, I was wrong about something that I said prior.
And people are not doing that anymore.
It's become abundantly clear that everybody is just comfortable coming at all of these topics as confidently as possible and acting like they're an expert on any given topic on any given day.
And I don't want to be that type of person.
I really just want to be honest with myself, honest with the people who are watching.
And I think honest conversations like that and true dialogue is going to be what breaks through much of the polarity and divisiveness that we're experiencing right now.
Lewis, as a notoriously polite person, do you think it's time to finally, you know, start to not pull any punches?
Let's not say we're not Donald Trump where we just want to call, I would never say he's short and fat.
I would never say something like that, as Trump said with Kim Jong-un.
But is it time to start being, I don't want to say unapologetic again.
Is it time to start, you know, stop with the self-censoring, say exactly what you mean.
And if people have a problem with it, then they can watch something else or they can bring up an argument that actually refutes what you're saying.
I think Amala touched on something that's extremely important.
And what that is, is how you need to be able to give your honesty.
But on top of that, if you do get something wrong, you own it and you reflect on it and then you grow from it.
This is how you progress.
So, yeah, I think you should be unapologetic about what you say.
And I think that you should spearhead your conversation in a way that's going to enlighten people.
But you shouldn't be scared, however, to get things wrong.
I mean, I think that's what discredits a lot of people.
I've seen a lot of commentators online, especially a lot of younger commentators who decide to go on this venture.
And all of a sudden, if they're proved wrong, they have some kind of almost meltdown about it.
And they can't own up to their own discrepancy.
So, yeah, I think Amala hit the nail on the head when she said, you know, it's okay to be wrong almost.
And, you know, it's okay to sort of own that.
And I think that's what separates people nowadays from, say, a good reporter or a good journalist or a good commentator from the others.
You two in particular, I think, get a lot of backlash from whichever woke leftist crowd you want to call it.
Lewis, I want to get to you in a second because I think yours has to do with you being one of the spearheading voices in your country.
And there's not a lot of other people who are brave enough to say the stuff you're saying.
But Amala, there was something that you posted, I think, on TikTok.
You want to tell people what that was first and foremost?
Sure.
So I'll make a long story very short.
I found a very prominent TikToker on the platform by the name of Dylan Mulvaney, who's happened to become very famous, 2.4 million followers, all by making day in the life content about being a trans woman.
Is that the guy from his car who says day whatever as a woman?
Yeah, so day 40 of being a girl, these things like that.
And even goes as far as to say, you know, I'm not going to identify as a woman because a woman is a strong term and implies maturity.
I identify as a girl.
So I found this TikToker.
Saw how many views and how many likes they were getting looking through the comments of just these really mostly young women supporting this and saying this is such a great ideology to uphold and children know who they are, you know, the typical leftist talking points.
And I thought, okay, somebody should make a video about this.
So I went through it and was reacting to the TikToks on my podcast, even saw one where Tampax, we all know what that company is used for, has offered Dylan a sponsorship.
Oh my gosh.
No way.
No way.
That's mental.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah, isn't it?
Isn't it?
So that's what I was thinking.
I thought this is crazy.
So I took a very respectful approach, even decided to use Dylan's proper, you know, use the pronouns that Dylan chose in my podcast to just talk to leftists and have this compassionate plea for why this is not the best route in leading your life.
And it's certainly not something that we should be teaching to children as something that's normal or going to garner you success in your life.
And of course, Dylan caught on to this podcast, says that he did not watch it, but I would imagine he did, and made a whole video about it.
And this video has millions of views now.
And the left just immediately pounced on me.
I was getting death threats.
I was getting told how much of a transphobe I was, that I should kill myself.
And, you know, just the typical cycle of a conservative being called out.
And then the leftists jump on them and call them all the phobics and the iss.
So that's where we're at right now with that.
Tampax, for shame.
Why do you think they respond this way, though?
Whomever the people may align with or where they fall, why do you think their response is instead of trying to prove you wrong or thinking about it or anything, why is the response die Amala die?
Because whenever I see Brian Stelter say something stupid that I disagree with, I don't go and message him and email him.
What do you think is the actual motivation behind that?
Well, when I was a leftist, I found that it is very hard to make logical arguments for the things that you're saying.
So when somebody comes to the table with a logical, reasonable argument for why they believe what they believe and you have nothing to counter that, it does make you angry.
It makes you extremely defensive.
And that defensiveness just comes out because you don't want to give up that ideology, something that you've subscribed to maybe your whole life or for the past few years and something that you believe to be true.
And suddenly you're hearing somebody who is a biological woman telling you, no, wait a minute, you don't just get to claim womanhood.
And when you don't have an argument to actually fight back, it makes you very angry.
So I completely understand why people respond the way that they do.
Maybe they should reevaluate because it's not such a fun experience to go through, but I totally get it.
Lewis, where do you think the line is between caring about these responses and not caring?
And you know me, even my own fans make fun of me.
So I'm not big into caring about the tweets and everything.
But at some point, if people are telling you to go die, like it's going to mount up and be like, why are these people doing this?
Where do you think the line is between taking criticism from strangers and just pushing it off to the side and saying it doesn't matter?
Where do you think that comes into play?
I mean, it's a good question.
I mean, as you know, I think I get a lot of hate for talking about various different subjects, similar to Amana's as well, with the trans debate, of course, illegal immigration, the COVID stuff.
So there is a fine line.
I think what you have to remember is social media is basically just noise.
It's like background noise.
The best way is if you are getting a lot of hate, you turn it off and you just take a break.
That's absolutely fine.
Think it's important for people to not try and let these sort of comments shower over you and affect you.
I know it's easier said than done.
There are many prominent commentators that have received so much of this horrible dialogue from random people online, coincidentally hiding behind anonymous accounts, which, you know, it says a bit, it says a lot about people who decide to hurl abuse from, you know, someone with a cat as like a profile picture, you know.
But listen, I try to, you know, just think it's water off the duck's back.
You know, you just, you have to try and just get on with it.
And in a way, I take it in a strange stride because, like Amala said, these people can't formulate arguments that well.
So their only way of trying to argue with someone is to try and attack them so they feel uncomfortable.
They're trying to get you to feel uncomfortable in your own skin.
So for them to message you these horrible, horrible things, if you admit defeat and if you start to feel almost just to cave into this defeat, you will lose.
So you have to maintain posture.
You have to maintain your confidence and you have to just keep going.
Just don't stop.
Just keep speaking your truths.
And if you are wrong, you can correct that and don't be afraid of it.
I know, like I said, it's easier said than done, but if you keep practicing it, it will become a lot clearer in the future.
Wow.
Sesame Street needs to hire us, I think, after a segment like that.
Is there a British Sesame Street, Lewis?
Please don't ask me that.
So there is.
I just want to know, like, Elmo is there's a British Elmo.
Here we go.
Oscar the Grouch.
Now, there it is.
I was waiting for it.
I was waiting every single time.
I think what you probably find, Amala, is that, you know, Andrew likes to bully me a lot because of the accent, which is fine.
So I just take it that he probably fancies me.
So, you know, I'm just going to take that.
So that's fine.
I'm going to have to email the Rebel News HR department because this is unacceptable.
Wow.
It is unacceptable.
Remember who gave you the idea for your show, okay?
Has anybody reached out to you to debate like trans ideology or anything yet, Amala?
No, it's very difficult.
I even went as far as to create a whole segment on my show called Devil's Advocate, where I bring on prominent conservatives and I debate them as a leftist because I know the talking points.
Because every time I reach out to somebody, it's either no response or no, we're not interested.
And I've even on the show said, Dylan, if you want to come on this trans TikToker, I would love to have you on.
It'll be a respectful conversation.
I will be kind and caring in the way that we approach these topics, but I would love to have you on to talk about it.
We will be waiting for that response and we'll see when that comes in.
I've even had responses from sports writers say, you got, no, I'm not debating hateful people on a hateful.
I'm like, you are, anyways, we are now knee-deep in Twitter.
I don't know, 2.0, we can call it.
The whole new Twitter is people's accounts that are banned are just popping up out of nowhere.
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And it's really weird to me seeing the people in mainstream media and other places basically reject free speech as it is written in the U.S. Constitution.
Elon Musk saying that he basically wants it to follow the law, and people have a problem with that.
I think the lady on the View said it was a white supremacist point of view to have this.
I know on CNN they said it was a party that if there's no rules at a party, is it somewhere where you want to go to?
Like, what party, what house party has rules, like other than don't destroy the place.
You got to be out of here by 7:30 p.m.
Where do you think Elon takes this, do you guys?
Do you think we go to a place where it's, you know, you can say racist things, you can say hateful things as long as you're not breaking the law and that's going to be completely allowed?
It seems to be that way right now.
Or do you think that it slowly gets walked back?
I'll start with you, Lewis.
Well, in the UK, we have a lot of different laws.
I think we're basically living in a dystopian novel over here.
So we have a new thing that's being pushed through legislation called the online safety bill.
And yes, it is as horrible as it sounds, where they basically want to eradicate any kind of discourse, whether it be grotesque discourse all the way through to just questioning the efficacy of the old Vs. And I don't want to get you censored or anything like that, Andrew.
So I'm being polite by not saying it.
Vaccines.
Oh, sorry.
So, yeah.
Oh, you were thinking something else, obviously, clearly.
There we go.
Finally embarrassed.
Am I the bad guy here?
You are.
But yeah, the online safety bill, anyways.
Yeah, they're trying to push through this new legislation.
It's quite scary, basically.
So with this new Twitter 2.0, if this safety bill goes through, I mean, it doesn't really matter where we stand over in the UK.
Look, we don't like horrible, distasteful discourse, but being someone who is passionate about free speech and advocates for it, it's like, do you know what it's like?
It's like saying, do you know what?
I love food, but we should ban all junk food.
And you shouldn't, for your health, you shouldn't be having any type of junk food because I dislike it and I think it's bad for you.
And that's basically what the crux of it is.
And it's worrying.
So yeah, I don't know.
For us in the UK, it's a bit topsy-turvy.
We had non-hate crime incidents for two years where hundreds of thousands of people had police knock on their doors because they might have posted something a bit spicy on Facebook or Twitter.
So, you know, the law is pretty strange over here and it's continuing to possibly get worse.
So I'm kind of envious.
I think the First Amendment over in America is possibly the most beautifully crafted piece of legislation I've ever seen.
So I'm pretty jealous.
I'm not going to lie to you.
I'm going to concede and say that I'm pretty jealous of that.
As I should be indeed.
But we'll see what happens.
We'll see what happens.
But I think it's a good starting point.
And I think it's woken a lot of people up to realize that we should be having open discourse, no matter how much you disagree with it.
Omala, why do you think people are so afraid to have the ability for anyone to say whatever they want?
You can go outside in America and walk outside and scream something into the void and it's not illegal.
But why is it such a problem when it's online?
Is it because it's targeted at people or because it could be, you know, be seen as bullying?
Why do you think they have this point of view?
Well, we're in this new worldview now that life is supposed to be cushy and completely devoid of offense and nobody should ever say anything that hurts you in any way or makes you feel uncomfortable.
And we've really coddled Americans in a lot of ways and made this culture where young people especially are so sensitive to this sort of thing and they are so invested in PC culture.
So I think that's a problem for the average person who's really fighting back against somebody like Elon Musk owning Twitter.
As far as the elites are concerned and people like Brian Stelter, they're really concerned with people having freedom of speech.
I think they know the stronghold that Twitter has specifically on the American mind, on what we see, on what we're aware of, on the narrative that we subject ourselves to.
And they are not comfortable with now conservatives and even classic liberals being able to enter that space in a way that is dissident from what they've always been saying.
During COVID for the past two years, Twitter was just an arbiter for the COVID narrative and constantly posting about it, made their own COVID tab for all the news and all the CDC updates and regulations.
And now they're facing a future where that might not be the case.
And if you can get one kernel of truth amongst all the lies, people are going to find that.
I think something that would satisfy the media is if they started making announcements of Alex Jones is coming back in 10 days, Donald Trump is coming back in 30 days, whomever else.
Do you guys think that Trump's going to come back, by the way?
Or I mean, I think he will.
Truth Social isn't doing that good, I don't think.
I don't know how many people it has.
It's not on Android or desktop yet.
I don't have an iPhone.
So up here in Canada, we don't have iPhone.
No, I'm just kidding.
But I don't have it yet.
Do you guys think he's going to come back on, Lewis?
You said yes.
I believe he will.
I think he just can't stay away personally.
I think he misses Twitter.
Come on.
Like, he misses going on Twitter and doing his thing.
So I think he will cave slowly but surely.
Yeah, that's my view on it because I believe that he loves it.
He loves it so much and he misses it.
We know he misses it.
So yeah, he's going to come back eventually.
Isn't this, wouldn't this be financially or business-wise, business fundamentally?
He doesn't need to worry.
It would be admitting that your own platform isn't as important as the other one.
Well, he did make truth social as a response to this whole Twitter thing, at least in part.
So I think admitting that is admitting that once Twitter is back and you're able to be on it, maybe you let the whole truth social thing go and you get back on it.
He was in his presidency putting out tweets at like three in the morning, and we think he doesn't want to be on Twitter anymore.
I think he's going to join and he might hold out for a little bit, but he'll be back.
Now he's putting out truths at three in the morning.
I don't know what it's called.
Doesn't it say, I think it says post your truth, which I would fundamentally disagree with, but I guess it's just your opinion.
I don't know.
From one president to another, I also have written down Biden, it's being reported that he might cancel all debt.
Now, I mean, I read this, student debt that is, I read this and I hear what can I do desperately to save myself from getting completely ruined in the midterms and to bump my approval rating down from the low 30s up to the mid to high 30s, maybe.
Amala, tell me it isn't true.
Tell me, well, maybe you agree with it.
I don't know how you feel about this.
Tell me how you feel about the possibility of tomorrow we wake up and there's no, shut up, Lewis, there's no student debt, there's no student debt.
And all of a sudden, the people who work during college, I think it would be unfair to them.
How do you feel about this?
Oh, I, for one, I don't think it's going to happen.
This is just sort of this lie that we roll out every single four years to make people who are in college feel better and go and cast their votes.
So I don't think it's going to happen.
We're talking about trillions of dollars here.
And I think about 45 million Americans who still have student loan debt in this country not happening.
Who's going to pay for that?
What about the parents that worked really hard to put their kids through school and pay for it?
What about the people who have already paid off their loans?
What about future Americans that have to take out student loan debt?
There's just so many insurmountable questions when it comes to canceling something like this.
And it's something that they're constantly running on.
If this happens with Biden, I will be shocked to say the least.
But you have to wonder how canceling out that big, massive pile of debt is going to affect the average American.
And it's just simply not fair.
Now, should we have a discussion about how expensive higher education is?
Certainly, because you have people going to school paying $50,000 a year to get a gender studies degree, which is virtually useless.
So that's a discussion we should be having.
But we should not be talking canceling debt right now, especially with the rates of inflation we're experiencing.
I think it's $3 trillion something.
I don't know if Olivia, you can quickly look that up, but I think to add $3 trillion of debt onto the national debt immediately, it's going to have terrible consequences.
All of a sudden, it's like printing $3 trillion because all of a sudden people don't have to put that back in the system.
So all of a sudden, you're imagine you have a bank account and you're the government and all of a sudden you've put a red 3.4 trillion on that.
That's going to have real negative consequences.
And I don't think the people who have student debt actually think about that.
They really want it to be, you know, all but their own struggle.
How much?
Yeah, it's 1.6.
So I was off by 50%, but that's still a ton of money.
And I think with inflation already at what it is, it would be an insane thing to drop on the government.
But then, Lewis, and I want you to ask this question.
What about this side of the argument?
And I'm going to steal them all as Devil Advocates segment here.
Devil's Advocate.
The U.S. government has enough money anyways.
You know, they spend it frivolously no matter what.
Why can't they just pay for a school?
Why can't they just, if they're going to spend money on nonsense all the time, whether it's the next level of fighter jet or somebody's campaign, something like that, why can't they just spend a couple trillion dollars to make school free?
Because it just devalues everything.
And on top of this, if you think about it, right?
I remember we had a similar thing here in the UK.
Okay.
It was, oh, gosh, I think I was about 16.
I was a communist in school, studying politics.
Yeah, I was.
Yeah.
Bringing a beret by any.
Yeah, all of that.
With dyed hair and fingerless gloves.
Well, we need photos.
Do we have photos of this?
Oh, we do.
We do.
I've wiped them clean.
Your mother has photos.
Probably somewhere.
But I went to my first protests and it was the cancellation of, well, it was completely scrapping the student tuition fees, student loans.
And it's funny that, because when you take a loan out of a bank, you're expected to pay it back.
And that's kind of just how it works.
So suddenly for students, it's, oh, I regret doing my gender studies assignment back in 2000 and whatever.
And yeah, I regret doing that.
So I think I shouldn't have to pay that back now.
And can we just wipe that clean?
I'm sorry.
That's just not how the real world works.
And the fact that this, well, the Biden administration has come out and said, yeah, we're going to propose to, of course, scrap this is absolutely dreadful.
I mean, you can't just, like you said, you can't just keep adding debt to what you already have.
That's literally, it's going to devalue.
It's going to, it's just going to be a total mess.
Remember, cost of living is up as it is everywhere in the West as well.
Inflation is high everywhere.
I mean, over here, our cost, not our cost of living, but our standards of living has reached a pinnacle low.
So, you know, I can only assume that it's happening over in America as well.
So, yeah, I'm sorry.
I just don't buy the argument that it's just, you know, it's for a greater good or a better cause.
It just doesn't make sense in my view.
Yeah, cancel car loan debt first.
Yeah, let's do that.
And insurance, why not?
Lewis, cars are things we drive on the roads here in North America.
Oh, sorry.
I'm used to driving wagons, mate, over here.
So, you know.
Amo, were you going to say something on that?
Yeah, I was just going to say the same thing.
Imagine this being a discussion we're having surrounding any other form of debt.
Imagine saying, well, if you bought that house, you couldn't afford it.
If you signed up for that loan for that car that, you know, you don't want anymore or that you regret buying, we're going to go ahead and cancel that for you.
It sets a very, very uneasy precedent, and we should not be having these discussions.
Well, back in independent YouTube days of Andrew, I did some interviews regarding should school be free.
And I interviewed a couple of people from Egypt where they said university was free and or covered by the government, I should say.
And they said it completely devalued the degrees and the diplomas you got because you get something that's, you know, a hot course or something.
Like here it would have been like nursing or dental assistant or something like that.
And all of a sudden, 300,000 people go out and get a degree and it doesn't mean anything before and you still don't get a job.
So when you people are, it sounded like when people are just being handed the opportunity to get a free education and there's not this intrinsic risk of should I spend money on this or do I have to work hard to get it or do I have to go into debt?
It completely devalues it.
And having said that, when you do that for young people who are 18 and 19, myself included, most people, I think, don't go into the field for which they first apply to college or university.
My first thing was radio broadcasting.
I'm sort of in broadcasting now, but I didn't go to a radio station in Saskatoon like I was supposed to do.
So a lot of people switch their major, I guess you would call it, or their program, and then the government pays for that.
So now all of a sudden we're paying for $30,000 the first year and then four more years of something else at $50,000 a year, however much it is.
And if anybody can just do that for free at taxpayers' expenses whilst probably not paying taxes from having a job, because why would you?
The school's paid for.
Now we're getting to what, at least $100,000 per person once they hit the age of 18.
That's even more debt that we can't handle.
And we've seen, and to my own counterpoint argument of America's got so much money anyways, once you start piling this on and on, there's not going to be any money.
We're already seeing it here in Canada.
They're trying to get us to spend more money.
An article came out the other day.
It said, people have so much money that's all being printed.
They don't know what to do with it.
It's because it's not worth anything.
So if you keep piling on this debt, the only way is it for it to, the only thing for it to do is to implode, and you've got to have some sort of revolution like they might have in Venezuela, which and who's the country doing Bitcoin now with all the gangs.
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We know which one that is, of course, off the top of our heads.
And then Turkey had this happen too.
El Salvador, Louis and Amala.
Come on, you guys got a hell of a head here.
Thank you.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
I'm on the same page.
Yeah.
I was like, totally there.
Totally there, guys.
Thank you.
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Of course, Ezra, Sheila, all the other shows don't laugh, Lewis.
It's true.
And everybody.
You know what, you guys?
This is my show, okay?
You sit in the background.
You sit on your sides and you shut.
No, I can't be that mean to Amala, only Lewis.
Okay, if I can get you guys wrangled back under control, please.
Sorry.
If you guys think you can handle it.
What people, I think, want me to ask you, Amala, is why are we still in California?
Do we think it's worth saving?
I think I asked you this like three or four months ago, but I want an updated answer.
Well, the update is that it's gotten worse.
Where there were homeless people maybe six blocks away from my apartment.
Now they're right outside the front door.
And, you know, I struggle here because I like to be optimistic about these things.
And I feel as though Californians, even the progressive ones, cannot go on spending this amount of money to live here and not recognize how just completely degraded their whole state is.
So I have faith that maybe people are going to wake up when they are walking out and there's human feces right outside their front door.
Maybe, maybe that helps people.
Maybe that, maybe that makes them realize.
But I'm really here and Prager Us really here because we're in the hot seat of where all this progressive policy is being drummed up.
We're the first ones to see the leftist campaigns that soon spread to the rest of the world.
And truly, to wake up every day in this garbage can makes you very, very passionate about the work that you do.
The fight is right in front of you.
Show idea again: Canary in the coal mine with Amala at Penoban.
That's beautiful.
That's basically what it is, though.
And I applaud that.
Lewis, do you think?
Do you want to gauge how bad it is for where you are?
Do you have any thoughts about leaving ever?
I know this is like, tell me, son, what you want to do one day, but it is like, I mean, I think about it almost every day of when I see the new policies coming out, the debt, the price of gas, which again is something we put in our motorized vehicles.
Is there a desire you have to leave, or are you more of a along the same lines as Amala?
You need to stay and make things better, or at least warn people of what's coming.
There's a bit of both.
I mean, if I could, I'd pack up and move to Texas if I could.
And I'd like to at one point in my life.
I think that's a little goal of mine, maybe at some point.
But yeah, there is a bit of that.
There's a bit of, I want to try and help here.
I want to try and, you know, wake people up to shake their heads and say, look, this is what's happening from many, many different subjects.
Sometimes it feels like a lost cause.
I mean, just down the road for me is Brighton, which is basically the Portland of the UK.
And it's just, there's no going back with that place.
So, you know, there's some places where it's kind of like a lost cause almost.
You just go, right, well, just you have to almost just let them get on with it and use them as an example of why things shouldn't be run like that.
And I'm sure Amala has the same with places in America where it's kind of just like, this is how, this is their policies.
This is what they're trying to implement.
And look how it's going.
So, yeah, I don't like the idea of using places as this kind of, well, this is my argument.
This shows that these policies don't work, but they're doing it themselves, you know?
So there's no real sort of, oh, well, is it going to get better, really?
Because I know it's pretty blackpilled, but that's kind of just how you feel most of the time when you look at these either Democrat-run places or Green Party-run places, which is this example over in Brighton.
So, yeah, there's a part of me that just wants to pack up and move to Texas.
Of course, I really do want to do that at some point.
But there is also a part of me to say, yeah, something needs to be done.
I don't want to just abandon my kingdom almost, the United Kingdom.
Try to make little Lewis's dreams come true.
Mommy, can we go to Texas one day?
There it is.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, that was patronizing.
This is our dynamic.
If you can't get on board, I see how you talk to Will Witt.
All right.
Well, that's true.
You actually got me there.
Yeah, exactly.
Channel me or will through me, or vice versa.
The last thing I want to ask you guys is basically about where do you think, and this comes up a lot, especially with us, Lewis.
Where do you guys think that this direction from these governments are coming from?
Because, Amala, you see, you know, the turds and the homeless on your doorstep, as you say.
Where do you think this direction comes from?
Because it seems to be policies that keep getting worse and worse.
And in every major city in America, almost it's downtown core, really cool place to be, two kilometers or two miles outside of that, homelessness, gang violence, etc.
Where do you think this direction comes from?
And why do you think it's still being implemented and that people still put up with it?
Oof, man, it's something that I think about a lot.
I don't know if it's just really deep brainwashing, if it's that issue we talked about before of I can't admit that I was wrong or that I didn't know something.
And very just for safe facing, could be just lobbying and money that they're getting.
And it never really touches them because the policies, for some reason, never come to their neighborhoods.
That's the beautiful part of all of this.
They never get to feel the true weight of the policies that they advocate for.
And would you know, they never visit the neighborhoods that are being most affected by these policies either.
So I think it's a combination of all of those things.
I could put on my, you know, conspiracy hat and come out and say, you know, in order for this whole great reset thing to work that we all know about and are aware of, people need to be really demoralized and society really needs to look like crap in order for us to go take all of our resources, take care of this for us.
We need to give you everything so that you can fix this problem and build a sustainable future where everybody owns nothing and is happy.
So is that the long-term goal of this?
And they just don't care how many people are trampled over until we get there?
Possibly as well.
So I think it's just a multitude of things that are all coming together and creating this monster.
Lewis, you are knee-deep in the Great Reset, which I think Amal is alluding to with the you will own nothing.
That sounds about right to me.
Don't you think the let's make things so bad that we want the nanny state to come save us?
Do you agree?
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
It's hard now to say that it's not by design almost, and that these governments, these world leaders are kind of just in some sort of cahoot where they're just, yeah, I don't want to go too down the rabbit hole on this, but you know, my views on the great reset.
It's a very, very worrying idea that globalism has kind of taken over almost.
And now, I don't know, I'm not too sure about America in that sense, but over here in the UK, I've met a lot of people with very mixture political views have actually started to come together on this issue and don't actually see things as binary, as left or right on the spectrum anymore.
And that's a big white pill over here, I think, because it shows that there are people that just go, actually, we just want to be left alone.
We want our civil liberties and we want to just have our normal life again from pre-2020.
And it's very, very comforting to know that there are people across the spectrum over here.
And it might be true across America.
I'm not 100% sure.
But there are a lot of people from the left and the right, if we were to use that explicitly, over here in the UK are actually starting to come together and say, actually, I don't want some technocrat over in Davos sort of, you know, telling me what I should do with like with my car or telling me what I should do with my money and getting rid of cash and all of this stuff that's just basically gives the state an excuse to intervene.
And yeah, it is a bit worrying, but there is a sense of coming together I'm starting to see, which is quite enlightening.
I agree.
People Coming Together00:01:37
No more binary things.
Lewis Brackpool, Rebel News UK.
I'm going to say de facto leader.
Thank you for joining me.
Amala Ekenobi, Ethiopian leader.
Nigerian.
Damn it.
Oh, it's not quite, you know.
Yeah, the other side of the continent.
You know what?
We're going to cut that from the show.
Do you want to do like an African accent really quick, Andrew, just to make it like even?
Yeah, go on.
Let me bait you into that one.
I need to hear Amala's British accent.
I know you can do one.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
I've got it.
Cheerio.
Hello, good.
Cheerio.
Yeah, good.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
I'll take you.
I'll take that.
Thank you.
We'll have to exchange accents at one point and just do a show where it's like...
Just rotate?
Just rotate.
That would be great.
That would be great.
That would be awesome.
Amala needs a California one then.
Whoa, bro.
Welcome.
This is Will and Amala, bros.
Fenton's like.
Yeah, it's definitely that.
Yeah, that's fair.
Valley girl thing.
Well, I appreciate you, Amala, for putting up with me for another hour.
We'll have you on again soon.
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