Kat and Nat dissect Hollywood’s exploitation of women, from Jennifer Love Hewitt in the '90s to Kim Kardashian’s $1B cellulite cream industry—ineffective for 90% of women. They critique contradictory beauty standards, like Lizzo’s praise vs. Camilla Cabello’s scrutiny, and question whether women internalize objectification, citing studies linking dissatisfaction to Kardashian’s "slim-thick" ideal over supermodel stick figures. Chloe Kardashian’s plastic surgery hypocrisy and Skims’ misleading photo edits highlight celebrity influence’s harm on younger generations, while Audrey Hepburn’s "happy girls are prettiest" counters commercial trends. Ultimately, they argue societal pressures thrive on discontent, urging balance between authenticity and self-care over extremes like genderless identity or hyper-sexualized consumerism. [Automatically generated summary]
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And today we're going to be talking about body image, the oversexualization of women, and the social pressure of trying to look like Kim Kardashian.
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How to build your confidence in your natural womanhood in a world that oversexualizes women.
So this is from Evie.
You guys know we love Evie.
We love Evie.
So basically, Hollywood has been oversexualizing women for decades.
Goodness gracious.
So Jennifer Love Hewitt, you know, for example, in the 90s was only asked questions about her body.
You know, Brittany Spears was over sexualized as a young, young teen.
She's 16.
Exactly.
She became a sex icon, I think, you know?
And then, of course, recently, even more recently, Millie Brown Brown, who was, who recently turned 18, has also experienced some creeps now that she's a legal adult.
Yeah.
So this is obviously not new.
No, it's not new.
It's not new.
Yeah.
Like you said, in the 90s, there was Natalie Portman, who was super, super young when she came into fame.
Beautiful people, but when they're children, it's super creepy to obsess about their beauty and their looks.
And when they are about to turn 18, they had a countdown clock for Natalie Portman and for Millie Bobby Brown.
And they've had them for tons of celebrities I've seen in my lifetime, which is highly upsetting.
Yeah.
And I think it's interesting too, because when you look at these celebrities and when people are, you know, critiquing them, it's always like, oh, they're too much of a slut or they're too modest or they're too young looking or they're too old looking.
And it's like, we really can't win.
Like women just can't win when it comes to voyeurs who are looking in on us at any age.
You know, it's kind of, it's fascinating.
Yeah.
That's a really good point.
And one of the things that I really liked about this Evie article, I wrote down that to me, this is the thesis of the article.
Here's a quote.
It says, with a society-wide denial of woman-ness on one side and the over-sexualization on the other, how is a woman to know how to live in her female body and feel comfortable with her femininity?
Which I think is a really, we've talked about this before, where they're trying to erase women.
But then at the same time, you see, like, you go on Instagram and it's all just like tiny waists and big boobs.
And it's like, so on one hand, we are trying to erase women and we're, and young women are getting double mastectomies and changing their pronouns.
And then on the other hand, we're so, we're like, we're like bombarded.
Yeah, we're like plumped up sex dolls.
And it's like, where is the average woman supposed to fall in there?
She doesn't exist.
And I'd argue that that's what the powers that be want.
They want us to be confused and miserable so that we will buy more products to make us Kim Kardashian or to get our breasts removed.
Like they don't want us to be content.
And I wonder if it, kind of going back to even our conversation a couple weeks ago about the, you know, the removing parents from a child's life so that they're a product of the state.
Like we're easier to control if we're miserable.
Absolutely.
And I think that that's another quote.
I think from the same article, maybe a different one that we've touched on.
It's exactly that.
It's like when someone who's discontented and miserable is so much easier to control and manipulate.
And from an advertising perspective, I mean, we've both worked in marketing.
All you're trying to do is manipulate people into purchasing or to share or to recognize your brand.
So like it's hard to say, to point fingers and say like, well, where's this problem coming from?
Is it advertisers?
Is it society?
Like, what does that even mean?
Like, who, where is this pressure coming from?
And we know like the whole Kardashian phenomenon, it didn't start with Kim Kardashian.
Like, she wasn't around during Marilyn Monroe times where it's like, oh, the perfect female figure.
But it's just a weird thing.
Like, is it the elites trying to look down on us and say, well, you need to look more like us?
Or is it advertising companies saying, oh, you can look like him if you spend more money?
Or is it governments trying to create synthetic wombs?
I think that's a great question.
It's funny because I think a lot of women, when we start talking about this topic, we're like, oh, it's men's fault.
Men have done this to us.
And I think maybe sort of to an extent, you know, I think that's where it maybe stemmed from.
But when you look at Vogue now, for example, Vogue has been setting the standard for beauty forever.
And Vogue is run by women.
Like, I know there are men involved in the company, but the editor-in-chief is a woman and she has been for a long time.
For a long time.
So it's kind of interesting.
They set the standard of beauty.
They set the expectations.
So why are we blaming men for the, and by the way, when it comes to the oversexualization of children, I think that a lot of that is coming from men.
I mean, specifically Bobby Brown and stuff.
Well, yeah, dude, it's creepy dudes, you know, who are like just doing the countdown clocks.
Exactly.
And I'm sure there are some creepy ladies out there.
Oh, 100%.
We're not putting anyone in a box here.
You can be creepy ladies.
Yeah, but I kind of wonder, is this, did we do this to ourselves?
I don't know.
Yeah, it's sort of, there's actually a family guy skit about, like, cutaway about this, where something about like Lois, I think she has like a porn tape come out and her best friend, her next door neighbor, like arches down the door and she's like, haha, slut.
And it's like, almost like we kind of, not we, but like there is sort of this.
Yeah.
I want to see Nat fail.
There is this sort of underlying thing.
I'm sure you felt it.
I think it's called the single white female thing where it's like you kind of want your friend to fail.
Like I don't have friends that I want to fail.
I just don't, I'm not friends with anyone who I would be like, oh, I'm jealous of her.
I want to see her fail.
Like I would just be like, ooh, that's a weird, creepy thought in my mind.
Like I'm not going to be friends with this person if I feel this weird competition.
But there are people, I've had friends in my life where I'm like, you want to see me fail.
They enjoy it.
Yes, they do.
And it's sort of like that is a micro example of this macro phenomenon, which is like, oh, like I kind of see it.
We've talked about this before where it's like, oh, like micro bangs are in style.
You guys should totally all get your hair cut like super, super short.
And also, you know, have sex with whoever you want, ladies.
Like do whatever feels good.
It's like, well, so that they can get venereal diseases and you don't.
Like there's, to me, there's almost like, I'm not saying it's women and I'm not saying it's men, but there is a weird phenomenon with women where some have friends that they don't actually want to see succeed.
And like there's a great point.
It can be extrapolated to a larger society problem.
No, I think that's probably it.
Cause I mean, and it's weird going back to what we were kind of already talking about.
Like we look at Lizzo, for example, and everyone's like, yeah.
And then we talked about like Janet Jackson and she's like, yeah, Lizzo, you look great.
And it's like, Janet, you have 800 packs.
Exactly.
She's like, jacked.
But then also, we're looking at, you know, we have an article that we'll get to about Camilla Cabello.
And it's like, they were, the paparazzi is like, you know, criticizing her for having a normal body.
Like, she's not heavy.
She's not anorexic.
She just is a normal, beautiful young woman.
And it's like, so on one hand, we're praising Lizzo for being clinically obese, but if you're a normal size person, there's something wrong with you.
Like, what the hell is going on there?
Yeah.
And there's also the whole like cellulite thing.
Yes.
Where there's, you know, we can talk about the reasons why women have cellulite and men don't on average.
I think it's like 10% of men have cellulite.
Yeah.
90% of women do.
Yes.
But it's one of the quotes in the article I don't have it in front of me, but it's basically like, what do you, when you see one of those trashy magazines at the grocery, what are they called?
Like a table.
A tabloid.
Yes.
When you see a tablet in a magazine and you see like, oh, like Hillary Duff's cottage cheese legs, how is that supposed to make an average woman feel?
Where like these people are like some of the beauty, most beautiful, most fit, most rich people on the planet.
And they have a couple of dimples on their thighs.
And we're like, oh, they're so gross.
And I'm like, like, I'm not going to bend over in the daytime.
But I think they're not actually specifically targeting these celebrities to embarrass them.
They want us to compare ourselves to them.
Because these people will be fine.
They can get rid of their cellulite if they really wanted to.
I mean, there are a lot of medical procedures I'm sure that they could undergo.
I think it's about us.
It's about targeting us normal people who make us buy the cellulite cream that Kim Kardashian sells.
That does not work, you guys.
You can't.
I read an article about cellulite creams.
It's like you can't just put a cream on your legs.
I mean, we've all tried them, but really there's only like laser that can really get rid of very expensive.
And few people are the ones who are going to benefit from that.
So it's much easier to say, oh, if you buy this product or you go on this tiny tea diet, you'll totally get rid of your cellulite.
It's totally disgusting to make those false promises to people and also create the problem in their head where you're like, oh, I didn't even think about my cellulite.
Okay, now I'm going to go home, look in the mirror, get upset, go online, buy cellulite cream, doesn't work, get upset, think I'm fat because it didn't work on me or something like that.
It's this horrible cycle.
And they want you, they want you like that.
They want us stuck in this position.
We're consumers that way.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think, you know, as an actionable item, I think what we really need to start doing is getting a better understanding of our actual bodies and finding out what works, you know, to make us more productive and content in how we look, I guess, you know, because like you were saying, they want us miserable.
They want us as consumers, but how do we stop this?
Like, why?
Like, how do we get to a point as women where we're just content with who we are and where we're at with our physical appearances?
Because we're never going to look like Kim K if we don't have the money to.
I don't even want to look like Kim K.
Well, exactly.
Like, we probably don't, but so many people do, and you can see it when you go on Instagram.
You're like, oh, wow, is that Kim Kardashian?
No, it's just some.
Everyone else.
Yes, it's any other person.
Yeah.
And not only like, how do we beat this consumerism thing, but like, as a woman, like, I don't want to feel like a product of this like weird sexual culture that we live in.
Yeah.
And so like maybe my desire to look like, so let's pretend I want to look like Kim Kardashian.
Like that desire is not even a real one.
It's been like foisted onto me and I'm going to buy all these products to look like that when I don't really even want to and I'm going to be objectified.
And then maybe I get so sick of that that I'm just like, you know what, I'm a boy.
Right.
And then also let's not to mention that the trends change.
Because we were talking about that just now.
Right.
With the sunglasses.
Yeah.
So some one day Kim K is cool.
The next day it's being like heroin chic or whatever.
So like you really can't win.
Yeah.
You get butt implants to look like her and the next month it's like, ooh, flat bums are all there is.
And it's like, ah!
And I think that's the point here.
Like we can't win.
So we shouldn't try.
Let's not even play.
Yeah.
Let's just stop playing their game.
And of course, I believe in taking care of your physical health.
I think it's okay to dress up.
I actually think that it is good for your mental health to put effort into your appearance.
I think when you, like, you feel good when you look good.
I always look good.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's why she always feels great.
Let's go through the tips on the TV article because they give you.
There's some, you know, there's some valuable ones, some ones that I'm like, I roll.
Yes.
Can we pull up the article?
Yeah, let's put it up.
There we go.
She got it.
So number one that they suggest is to learn about your cycle, which I think is extremely useful.
Yes.
Not something that they even teach you in health class in school.
They just teach you about periods and don't have sex.
And then it's like, okay, but why am I feeling this way during this month or this week of the month?
And why am I feeling this way?
And don't eat sugar that week because you'll have terrible cramps.
And why are you feeling bloated and angry?
Like, why are you feeling hungry?
Like, these are things that can help us understand ourselves.
I agree.
And I think part of the reason they don't teach us is because they want us to buy the debloating tea to their life.
Not elementary schools.
Why don't they teach us?
Maybe just because of lack of knowledge back in the day when we were in school like last year.
But I mean, we're so as teenagers when we're like more susceptible to being influenced.
I guess you're right.
In elementary school, it's like, well, they should teach us about our cycles in elementary school.
Yeah, I think so too.
And I think a lot of the onus could also be placed on mothers to teach their kids about these things because that's the best person to learn from.
That's very most comfortable setting.
I think a lot of women don't even know.
I think maybe this is like new stuff.
Yeah.
Because I have an app that like tracks my cycle and it'll tell me like, oh, you're in this phase.
Like avoid alcohol.
Yeah.
Because whatever.
Or you might be feeling extra sleepy or whatever it is.
And sometimes I'm like, no, that's not right because it's not really attached to my body.
But sometimes I'm like, yes.
Oh, my God.
Yes.
Yeah.
So it's interesting.
And also, we've talked about natural forms of birth control as well.
Knowing what psych, what part of your cycle you're on is also a really great form of birth control because you really can't get pregnant sometimes.
You just can't.
So that's your chance, ladies.
Yeah.
No, it's true.
So I think that's a great place to start.
Learning about your hormones and feeding your body accordingly.
Yes, in those days.
Feeling good is going to make you look good.
Exactly.
Instead of just being like, what can I plaster on myself on the outside?
Like maybe something internal will actually give you that glow that you're trying to find in a bottle.
Number two, explore the feminine virtues and find ways to incorporate them into your life.
Feeling Good Sets You Apart00:06:46
Yeah.
So, I mean, obviously, there are qualities apart from our physical differences that do set us apart from men.
And I think those aren't being embraced as much in modern society.
And I think maybe that's why, that's maybe a part of why we're discontent in some ways because we're not embracing our inherent nature.
And we talked about this already with the gender wage gap, even.
It's like some things just are nature.
And for some reason, we are fighting that, like fighting those urges.
Yes, exactly.
Like, well, one of the things on the list is like your, your, it's like poise and beauty, whatever, but like nurturing, your nurturing attitude.
Obviously, some men are extremely nurturing and that's always going to be a thing.
Like mannies, male nurses, like these are, these are men who love to nurture and that's okay.
They fall outside of the curve where mostly women are the ones who are nurturing.
And I feel like our society doesn't encourage nurturing.
No, they want us all to be these like boss businesses, you know, who are like the power hungry.
Yeah, exactly.
Like stilettoing on people's throats.
Never getting married, you know, and having babies and wanting to have babies is just egregious to these women and people.
But that's a part of who we are.
And it's okay if you don't.
It's almost like it's propagated the species up until now.
That's sort of a trend there.
And it's okay if you don't fall into that.
No, you know, that's fine.
Like no one's a monolith.
But of course, most people will fall or will be comfortable in that sort of situation acting on those sorts of urges, you know?
Yeah, and it doesn't make you lame.
No, no.
There's nothing cooler than being a good mom.
I agree.
You know?
Like cool moms, we need more of those.
Yeah.
Cool mom.
Cool mom, you know?
Yeah.
But not too cool.
No, not too cool for school.
Yeah.
Don't give your kid like, you know, ecstasy or something.
Yeah.
Don't do that.
We'll move on from that.
That's too cool.
Yeah.
That's our next one.
Discover who you are and what makes you feel joy.
Yeah.
So this one, you know, I don't believe, I don't really belong to the philosophy of belief that's like, whatever brings you joy is how you should live your life.
Like as Christians, we kind of are like, that's joy and happiness are not the most.
It's more, it's bigger than that.
I think like be content with where you're at.
I think contentment leads to joy.
And I think if you're just content with what you have and the blessings you have, that will set you apart from other people.
And I think that will just spring you forward in your life.
And I think that's a really good way to combat this like consumerist bombardment that we're getting all the time.
Because I feel it all the time.
Anytime I go on Instagram, we talk about this all the time.
I'm like, I just bought a purse.
Yeah.
Why?
Why did I buy that?
We didn't need it.
But it's like this weird thing that, and I'm fighting it every third time I close the app.
Look, that's progress.
But sometimes it'll get me, but it's like this feeling where it's like, I'm not content with what I have.
And this, this purse, which is so trendy now, will definitely bring me into this new echelon.
Like what, Catherine?
What are you thinking?
That's so silly.
That's so silly.
Right.
And it's like temporary satisfaction.
So temporary.
Right.
And I think that's the same thing as we've talked about before on the show with like the sex positivity movement and like hookups.
It's like, okay, it feels good now, but what are you going to do when it no longer feels good?
You're just going to keep having sex.
You're just going to keep buying purses.
Like we need to, as you already said, we just need to be at peace with where we're at.
And I think that'll really help us out.
Yeah.
And for me, a lot of that peace and contentment has come because I've started going to church in the past couple months and I've like found God and that has made me feel super content.
But that's not for everyone or they're not there yet or whatever.
So you can definitely find it in other places.
Family, your work, your kids, obviously that's family, pets, hobbies, yoga.
Yeah.
The church is a great one though, if you want to try it.
Yeah, I mean, I think you are created by God.
So you will find your true wholeness in that, frankly.
Like, of course, you can look to other things.
I agree.
But I think those are also kind of temporary.
And I think ultimately, like, like learning about where you came from and who your creator is, like the God of the universe who like loves you.
I think going from there is really where most people will find peace, like wholeheartedly, you know?
But yeah, I think to your point, like faith is just so I mean, it's the word.
Yeah.
It's faith.
It's literally like, I have faith that everything is going to work out or it is how it's supposed to be.
So that's like kind of a synonym for content almost.
I think so too.
Yeah.
And I mean, when you have faith, there's no fear of the unknown.
is no you don't need to compare yourself because you know you have faith that it's you're good we're good you guys you know and that's probably why this modern culture we live in is so down on faith and religion because i i hear it all the time where it's like i believe in god sort of It's not religious.
It's spiritual.
I hear that.
I used to say that about myself because I did believe in God, but I was like, it's spiritual because I didn't want to say it was religion.
Right.
Because for some reason, that has such a negative connotation now.
But it makes sense why they would throw that negative connotation on it because obviously there are issues with organized religions.
Like you can point to that.
No, of course not.
But it makes sense why the big industry, the advertising industry and all these companies would want you to be godless because then instead of looking to God for answers, you look to your cream.
Like the government, the government, like, oh, if I am feeling discontent, I will buy this new purse and have these cheek fillers and then I will be content and beautiful and all the pieces of my life will fall together.
Yeah, it's so interesting just how secularism has really impacted our self-esteem as women and as consumers.
And like sex, like sex, like they've made it so that it's cheap.
Yeah, like having sex and being sexy is like godly.
Yeah.
And instead of trying to be good people, you can say good Christian or you can just say good people, but like if we're trying to be good people, you know, I kind of lost my train of thought, but it's like they put sex on this weird pedestal.
And it's like, that's what we should always be trying to look sexy when we know that, especially as women, our sexiness window is fleeting.
It's small and it's fleeting.
Definitely.
And what about the fact too that your sexiness is more than just how you look?
Like, I think there's so much to say about like a woman's personality, a sexy personality, whatever that means to a man is what they really find attractive about you.
Yeah.
You know, because even when we consider like sex on a more secular level, a man doesn't care if you look like Kim Kardashian.
He doesn't care if you look like Kate Moss.
He just wants to get laid.
He just wants to get laid, frankly.
And I think a part of that attraction is from your personality and your character, right?
Well, I think that's like the difference between getting laid and having a long-term partner.
Yeah, that's right.
Oversexualization's Impact00:04:23
And young girls, and I'm glad I didn't fall into this when I was young because I had so much good training.
But young girls will give their bodies away to any man who looks in their direction because they need that gratification because they don't feel beautiful and they don't feel powerful without knowing that a man wants to have sex with them.
Yeah, no, I think that's one of the biggest pandemics of women are dealing with right now.
And I think going back to our topic of oversexual, oversexualization, goodness gracious.
Let's put it in the middle of the word.
It's a hard word.
It's a hard word.
Maybe the problem is so many young people, especially with social media, are being oversexualized.
And that's why they're seeking out, you know, men and sex.
And they're exploiting themselves, frankly, to find meaning because they were kind of exposed to that way too young.
And I, you know, like, for example, Millie Bobby Brown, that's her name, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's, I mean, who knows how that's going to affect her in the long run as she grows up.
I mean, and we had that other article about Cole Sprouse talking about his Disney colleagues who were oversexualized at a young age.
That's something he never had to deal with as a young man.
And he saw it like destroy women that he girls that he knew.
And he was like, there's no way to like recover from that.
And it's like the language is so dark.
It's like scary.
Yeah.
Also, in this article, this E article, hold on.
Let me find it.
Yeah.
It was joking.
Here it is.
This quote.
Cole, who began acting when he was six months old, added that people always want to criticize child stars for going nuts, but they don't want to address the trauma that comes with fame.
What?
Six months old?
How can you say that you started acting?
Like, this is another problem.
Yes.
What the heck are we saying?
Like, if you want to put your newborn baby in a movie, you're selling your child.
You're exploiting this.
I rewrote the article title or the quote to Cole, who was six months old when his parents sold him to the entertainment industry.
Like, let's just clarify that.
Like, Cole was not an actor at six months old.
So this poor kid has been in the entertainment industry his entire life.
And at least it sounds like he's pretty woke to what's going on.
Yeah, which is, thank God.
Which is big for a Disney star.
Yeah, but I mean, and, you know, like, as he mentions in the article, so we have the Miley Cyrus's, the Demi Lovato's, these crazy girls who kind of spiral, you know, and it's like.
It's like, well, what did we do?
Exactly.
There has to be a reason why.
And I think, I think it partially stems from being oversexualized as a young child.
Yeah.
You never, and like, you always have to raise the bar.
It's like, oh, how, how, like, and we've seen it with Kim Kardashian.
Like, her outfits need to get smaller and smaller and more tight.
And her waist needs to, yeah, it's everything's more extreme as you see.
Like, it's just like when you say something crazy on Twitter and it gets traction.
You're like, oh, well, saying crazy stuff on Twitter gets me attention.
So that's why people start, then you see that thing, you're like, how did we get here?
It's like, well, because people love a freak show.
Yeah.
No, it's true.
And then she's pushing these poor girls into this.
Oh, it's just like what happened to Britney Spears.
Yeah.
Like those, you know, that story of her crying in the, in like a, like a fast food store?
And like the paparazzi were filming her and she had to get away and she asked them, please, can I stay in here and like don't let them in?
And she was sitting in there.
There's pictures of her crying and the paparazzi are outside just take snapping, snapping, snapping.
It's like, you broke her.
Yeah.
You broke her.
And then you're like, oh, look, what a freak she is crying in a Burger King.
Like, it's so sad.
That poor girl was sexualized from 16 years old.
And you really only see this with women in Hollywood.
Yeah.
To be honest.
Other than Michael Jackson.
Yeah.
Who else can you say has gone off the deep end as much as most women?
Yeah, fair enough.
But that's because of Michael Jackson.
They're the minority, though.
Yeah, they are.
And so if this is happening to women in Hollywood, Lord knows with social media, it's happening to our young women, tweens, and teens, you know, in North America.
So this is something to be watchful of, I think, because I do think it will have a detrimental impact on young women as they grow up.
I mean, there are studies about this, about how being oversexualized affects, you know, how you deal with intimacy when you grow up and relationships, even friendships, your self-esteem.
You know, it all just trickles down.
And I think we need to start paying attention yesterday.
Yeah.
And, you know, it's a larger problem, but it's getting worse.
Yeah.
It's getting worse.
And like women's mental health is deteriorating and their body satisfaction is going down where it used to be bad.
Social Media's Influence on Youth00:09:57
It was really bad.
Like in the 90s with the heroin chic look.
It was really bad.
But there's this article here from Evie.
Again, Kim K's slim, thick body causes more body dissatisfaction than 90 supermodel stick figures, according to a new study.
So they said they surveyed 402 women between the ages of 18 and 25 and participants who compared themselves to the slim, thick influencers experienced significantly more weight and appearance dissatisfaction than women who compared themselves to the thin ideal imagery.
So I was trying to understand why.
I think it's because it's impossible to achieve this look without having money to do it.
Yeah, because exactly.
So you can starve yourself and you can be thin.
Please don't, by the way.
Absolutely not.
That's our job.
You can starve yourself to look super, super skinny, but you can't make your butt explode at the same time.
And I remember even when I was in high school, girls being like, I want a super tiny waist and like a big butt.
And it's like, it's only gotten so much worse since then because now girls are like you can you can achieve those in the gym if you're already built like that.
That's the thing you can't find.
No, you cannot.
And not everyone's body looks like that.
And that's okay.
Like some women in my family have super straight hips.
Yeah.
Not curvy women, like hourglass giant butt, skinny waist thing.
Like that's again, like you mentioned, it's a phase.
It's a fad.
It's not always going to be the style.
And you're still beautiful if you don't have exactly those proportions.
1,000%.
Yeah.
I think it really just comes down to the fact that we need to start embracing our natural beauty and just owning who God made us to be.
You don't have to be beautiful like him.
You're beautiful like you.
Exactly.
And that doesn't mean we can't buy makeup and wear cute clothes and work out and take care of ourselves and care about our physical appearances.
I actually think that will make you a more content person if you put effort in, you know?
But like, let's just like chill out here, people.
Okay.
But that's, I think that's what we're trying to nail down here, which is, you know, probably not going to get nailed down, but it's like, where do you go too far?
Like, where's that perfect point now?
It's different for everybody, obviously.
But we're trying to find the balance between being like, okay, I'm genderless.
I'm a genderless blob who's never going to have children and down with a patriarchy, okay, on one side.
And then on the other side, you're like, I'm a bimbo who just wants to like have a man buy me a Mew Mew skirt.
Like, I do want that.
But yes.
Yes, with intelligence.
Exactly.
Like, there are, there's a healthy middle ground, and that's not always going to be the same for everybody.
But that's, I think, what we're trying to talk about now.
And, like, let's, we're going to get close and we're going to figure it out.
I think so.
It's a big problem, though.
It is a huge problem.
Yeah, I don't, I think part of it just comes down to what we already said.
Just starting with where you're at and being content with where you're at.
Oh, they had some more, they had some more like blah, blah, blah.
Action items.
Yes, action items on the EV article.
I'm so disorganized once again.
Yeah.
So one is a tablet.
One of them was wellness.
Oh, yeah.
It's like, choose wellness.
That's right for you.
So that's a great.
So take care of your, you know, your mind, body, soul, and spirit.
And also, like, what we're talking about birth control, maybe birth control isn't right for you.
Yeah.
And maybe following your natural cycle and eating more natural foods so that you don't have, because like I've experienced really, really bad period cramps.
And then when I cleaned up my diet, a lot of that went away.
Absolutely.
I think one of the great places to start, though, is just not rooting your identity and your appearance too.
You know, I think like because of social media, it's really hard not to fixate on your looks.
And I think, you know, it's so hard.
It's even hard doing our job, being on camera.
You're like, oh, gosh.
Yeah.
We're like, ooh, mingle and me skinny.
You know, and I mean, you can see how it even affects these Hollywood actors.
I mean, there was another article about one of the Irwin sisters.
That's not what they're called.
Baldwin.
Baldwin.
Yes.
Oh, my gosh.
Alec Baldwin's 26-year-old daughter just had some, it's like a mini facelift.
Yeah.
26 years old.
She got it because she has skin here and she doesn't want, she wanted it to be more like, and I'm like, you don't need to worry about that.
My theory.
Sorry.
Yeah, go, go.
My theory is that she just doesn't want to look like Alec Baldwin.
Okay, well, I understand that.
Okay.
He has a lot of stuff going on right now.
You're like cutting ties.
I get that.
Yeah.
I just pull the whole face.
Like, just get a new face.
No.
But 26 is too young for a facelift.
Right, which means.
I'm going to say it.
And even though it's considered non-invasive, you're still going, like, you're still doing a procedure that you're way too young to be.
Your face isn't even done yet.
You're not even done growing.
You're still like a growing baby.
And like the thing, remember we did that.
We talked about Linda Evangelista and her cool sculpting nightmare.
Like, who knows what, like, what's her name?
Baldwin.
Long-term effects.
The long-term effects.
Like, your face is still growing and changing and you're like freezing it.
Like, what if things are still moving and they're frozen in like an unnatural position and you have like a cliff here?
It's like another surgery.
And that's not good.
No.
You're going to have another surgery to fix that.
And then you're going to be like, oh, I need this cream.
Oh, I'm going to start my own cream company that tells you, oh, this cream gets rid of your double chins.
Like, no, it doesn't.
You had cool sculpting on your chin.
Like, it's just such a, well, it's so good.
It's a vicious cycle.
And I think it's scary that when these famous people who have access to all these beauty products and all these treatments are also still undergoing procedures.
It's like, well, then there's no hope for the rest of us.
You know?
Yeah.
These people are already, as you said earlier, the hottest people in the world.
The cards are.
And they feel ugly, you know?
There's this article from Daily Mail.
Oh, yes.
Chloe Kardashian, the self-confessed filter fanatic, claims her brand promotes body positivity in New Campaign a year after she tried to kill candid bikini photos that leaked onto internet.
Yeah.
So that's a mouthful.
That is basically she has been quoted as saying good American has always been more than just a fashion brand.
It's a platform for inclusivity and body positivity.
And I'm like, says the girl who spent more money on plastic surgery than Elon Musk has on rockets.
Oh my gosh, a thousand.
Like your whole body is silicone.
She's a whole new person.
If you watch the beginning of the Keeping Up, but her.
I know.
But if you watch the beginning and then you see her now, totally different.
I think it's a robot.
Yeah.
It could be a robot.
So it's like, okay, you're body positive except for BS.
Yeah, you're a liar.
And you're setting a bad example for your daughter, by the way.
Oh my God.
Yeah, they all have daughters.
Yeah.
There's, I mean, what I want to know, we should do a study on them.
That's a whole other.
Can you imagine growing up in that household where you're like, oh, I'm going through like a chubby teenage period.
And they're like, that's okay.
You can get it cool sculpted.
And you're like, I'm 10.
Like, oh my God.
Yeah, we need to pray for their children.
I just think that is so horrifically hypocritical.
And they're all the worst.
Yeah.
But like Chloe.
Yeah, I know.
And also, like, okay, anyone that sells shapewear and tries to combine that with body positivity, it's like you're so body positive that you want us to suck it in.
Yeah.
Like, put on a girdle.
That's so body positive.
Yeah.
Like, please.
Like, I don't really buy.
And then there's the Kim Kardashian Skims campaign that had Tyra Banks in it.
And it was criticized for highly editing, photoshopping Tyra Banks, who is, as we all know, a super famous supermodel.
And the woman is 49 now.
Yeah, and she's amazingly.
She's gorgeous.
Does she have the body of a 20-year-old?
No, she has Tyra Banks at 49, and she's freaking gorgeous.
And they had, they photoshopped her body to look exactly like Kim's body, which is this tiny little waist and these like goat legs.
And it was a body positive campaign.
Yeah.
And you're like, and so one person on Instagram was like, tell me how heavily editing Tyra Banks to look like Kim Kardashian shows body positivity or inclusivity.
It doesn't.
It doesn't.
And they're the worst.
And this is why you've mentioned this before.
This is why we talk about them because it's like they're out here being like, yeah, ladies, like body positivity, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, you guys are absolutely atrocious.
And we're going to call you out.
And that's our full-time job.
That's her full-time job.
And you know what?
Someone's got to do it.
It's important because they are influencing your granddaughters, your daughters, your sons, even.
Who knows?
They are influencing people whether we like to admit it or not.
So we need to keep a close eye on them.
And yeah.
There's one more item on that EV article.
Sorry.
Let's surround this.
Literally we are going all over the place.
We really are.
Pretty nice the best.
She's catching up with us.
So number five is write a love letter to your body.
And my note is lost me there.
Now, I know it has a positive.
It just sounds so stupid.
I kind of take that more as like respect what your body does and can do, not what it can't do.
And I think it's more about just respecting.
It's just the wording there.
It's a little bit like, but yeah, you're right.
But I mean, we all hate certain parts about our appearance.
We always feel like we're not skinny enough.
We're not pretty enough, you know?
And I think just meeting yourself where you're at and then going from there.
Yeah.
And by the way, not also being, not babying yourself too much, I think is really important.
Like, oh, you feel like crap, so you're not going to go out.
Well, that's kind of ridiculous.
Like, you know, like, go out anyway because you're going to feel fat at home too.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
That's true.
I think, yeah, I think that's kind of what I took from that portion.
But yeah, it is, it's worded kind of.
It's worded poorly, but I agree with you totally.
And it kind of goes to like, just love your own brand.
Like whatever your brand of beauty is, like, wear that.
Don't worry about like Gucci.
Wear, you know, authentic Catherine, whatever your name is, because that's going to look the best on you.
And this article closes with a quote from Audrey Hepburn.
Oh, yes.
We obviously have to read, which is happy girls are the prettiest girls.
Yes.
Which I think is absolutely true.
Just look at us.
Not to mention, we're going to finish this segment up, but you know, confidence is key.
Just fake it till you make it.
Okay.
That's a smile goes a long way.
Yeah.
Like most women, like successful women, have just kind of faked it until they got there.
Like just be empowered by that.
You know, just go for it.
Yeah, go for it.
Be bold.
But keep your tops on.
And keep your top on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's great.
Asking the Right Questions00:02:23
Cool.
I feel like we asked more questions than we answered, but it's a good conversation.
We're asking the good questions.
We're asking the important questions.
You don't have to.
And it's an important conversation, which we can touch on again, but we're going to talk about something else now.
Yeah, let's move on.
We just quickly talk about the Met Gala before we may have lost some of you the moment we said Met Gala, but we just want to talk about this because the dress code was announced and I think it's going to be beautiful.
It's going to be us.
Obviously, you know, celebrities are going to be so good.
But the clothes that they wear, come on, we got to at least appreciate our Bridgerton vibes this year.
Yeah, it's so good.
So the theme is called Gilded Glamour.
So Nate, pearls.
Yeah, basically, it's like a period which stretched from the 1870s to the 1890s.
Mark Twain is credited with coining the term in 1873.
So I just think it's going to be fabulous.
We're going to wear pearls and corsets next week.
Yes.
Speaking of shapewear.
Yes.
I'm going to be up coming order.
No, I'm just kidding.
Yes.
So everything we just talked about, we're going to throw it out the window next week.
And then we're going to get fainting couches.
Oh, that would be fun.
Yeah, it's in the budget.
Our new set next week is a painting couch.
But yeah, I think it'll be really exciting.
That's going to be awesome.
And when I think it's in May, May 2nd, come May 2nd, we will definitely show you guys all of their sick looks.
Yeah.
There's going to be so much nudity, though.
You like, oh, I'm wearing like a Versace like underwear with like chiffon nothing on top.
It's like, oh.
Well, we'll see what Rihanna does.
That'll be interesting.
Yes, it will.
Okay, anyway, I think that's the show.
Yeah.
I think that's our show.
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