Orion Pools, a Dutch filmmaker, and Sheila Gunn-Reid expose Headwinds, a documentary revealing how green energy industrialization—like Sweden’s wind farms financed by HSBC—displaces locals, degrades land (60% globally), and fuels cobalt mining abuses in Congo/China. Former banker Alexander Pohl’s legal battles against turbines sold to Finland for Google’s data centers highlight corporate exploitation over climate benefit. They argue climate crises enable top-down control, akin to COVID-19’s Green Pass, and demand bottom-up solutions—farmer-led land stewardship—to challenge centralized power. Censorship by tech giants like Google further stifles dissent, urging transparency and decentralized truth-seeking to preserve rural autonomy and environmental integrity. [Automatically generated summary]
What happens when you try to get away from all the industrialization around you and just get back to nature?
And then you find out that where you've escaped to has been industrialized in the name of green energy.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
Oh, today, friends, I want to reintroduce you to someone who's been on the show before, but sadly, not for a little while.
His name is Marine Pools.
He's a Dutch filmmaker based in Germany, and he does a little bit of what we do here at Rebel News.
He tells the other side of the story and follows the facts wherever they lead him.
And what's interesting about Morain is that he comes from the liberal left, but all he does is investigate what he's been told.
He investigates the conventional thinking about the left's golden calves of green energy, biofuels, wind turbines.
He even made a movie called Paradogma about what happens to you when you're on the left and you stray from their orthodox thinking.
But back to the movie that we're going to talk about today.
It's called Headwinds.
And Moraine made it in collaboration with Alexander Poole.
The movie tells the story of Alexander, who himself was a green energy financier, who saw problems with the industry he was working so hard to grow.
And so he wanted to get away from it.
But he realized that even when he escaped all the way to the wilds of Sweden, the destruction of green energy had followed him there.
So joining me tonight from, get this, his tree house in Germany, is my friend, Dutch filmmaker, Orion Pools.
Thank you so much for being on the show.
It's been a long time since I talked to you, but you're back and you're back with a new movie.
But you might be, because it's so long since I talked to you and that's my fault.
Why don't you give people a brief introduction to yourself?
Because you are a very experienced filmmaker.
This is definitely not your first documentary.
It's not your first documentary sort of on the topic of how there are two sides to combating climate change.
But let's go back a little and tell everybody sort of where you come from.
Yeah.
Well, I'm an independent documentary maker.
I started in 2008 covering stories in mainly in developed countries.
And I made over 50 documentaries in these countries for TV, for NGOs, for, you know, people in the developing world.
And after that, I stopped doing it because I was asking myself the question, you know, I can continue this until I'm 65, but it doesn't help me any further.
And I wanted to make a film which was completely independent.
So I financed it by myself and I made a film about climate change, not about climate change.
It was about agricultures, but all these wind farms were popping up at the meadows of the farmers.
So I needed to ask questions about these wind farms.
And then you need to start questioning what is climate change.
So you're, you know, you dig into the science and then, you know, quite an interesting story came out, The Uncertainty has settled.
And, you know, I sort of rolled out of the old system.
I lost my network because I made a film which was controversial and you shouldn't be allowed to make controversial films.
So I was, you know, they named me everything you can imagine.
And after that, I start continuing this spirit of new stories of, you know, hey, there are two stories.
Why are we not hearing them on the mainstream news?
And I'm coming from the mainstream as well.
So I asked that question as a liberal guy who just want to have a lot of perspectives to make up my own mind.
And, you know, since then, I made four other documentaries like a trilogy, The Uncertainty is Settled about climate change, paradogma about, you know, the controversial debates we have.
And then I made a return to Eden about solutions.
When we speak about, you know, the climatic instability, let's put it like that.
And, you know, and I was on a search for another story.
And then I remember it was one year ago, September, and I was 20 minutes ahead of the premiere of Return to Eden.
And I got an email of Alexander Paul from Sweden.
And I don't know why, but I read the first three sentences and I just merely called him.
And, you know, I made a story about it.
So I did again.
And Headwind is the name.
And it came out one and a half weeks ago.
And basically, it's a story about a former London banker, Alexander Paul, worked for the world's greenest bank, HSBC.
He was idealistically driven.
He financed big wind farms and solar farms, convinced he was sort of saving the planet.
But he woke up to the fact that today's green is actually pitch black and an ego-driven, corrupt, and broken system.
So he gave up banking and moved with his family to a remote place somewhere in the northern Sweden forest.
And his dream was to go back to nature, start an eco farm and put as much distance as he could between his family and the, as he said, the industrialization of the nature.
So until a wind park was planned at the gates of his paradise garden.
So it's kind of an ironic story, you see.
And he now is challenging these wind farms at court, three of them, that these turbans are not saving anything.
And the construction companies are lying, cheating to the local community that this wind park is boosting economy.
But none of the workers' companies are actually from Sweden.
They're all from Norway, Britain, Germany.
So it's not boosting anything.
So even the electricity produced of that wind park seems to go to a new Google data center in Finland, thousand kilometers away.
And in this story, Alexander and I are sort of visiting stakeholders of wind farms and asking questions.
You know, and for me, as a rural person, as I was looking through the, like, as I was watching your documentary and looking at the imagery, it feels very familiar to me.
I know you spent some time in Calgary.
I'm here in northern Alberta and the landscape looks very familiar to me as I saw that.
And I thought, this is something that we as rural people all across, I guess, the world, but particularly the Western world, we sort of prickle against all the time where you have a lot of people living downtown in urban centers feeling bad about their lifestyle and their comfortable first world lifestyles.
They feel as though they're destroying the planet.
So they want green energy.
They just don't understand what that means to the people who don't live in the city.
And so, to make a bunch of city people feel better, people like me have to live with these ugly, destructive wind turbines.
And as is pointed out in your documentary, the footprint of a wind farm per the electricity or amount of energy produced is so much greater than a well-done, compact fossil fuel project that in the end would be a lot cleaner.
Because one of the things that I really enjoyed that you pointed out is the sort of supply chain attached to a wind turbine.
You go through not only where, you know, the companies involved in building them and where the electricity goes.
So, these poor people in Sweden have to have these ugly wind turbines so that the energy can get sold to Finland so that Google can meet its green energy targets for a data center.
And I think that's a point we'll get to in a second.
But you also go through how this is sort of the supply chain of a wind turbine is an attack on human rights as well, from China to the Congo to the cobalt mines.
It's not just a human rights issue for the people who have to live underneath these things, but it's also a human rights crisis, you know, just in the creation of them.
Yeah, absolutely.
You're right.
And that's my worry as a left liberal.
I documented so many conflict areas in the development world.
And what you see is a lot of conflicts are based on oil, the distribution of oil, the prices of oil.
So this is a conflict, right?
And we are starting to manage it better and better.
On top of that, we should not be in the illusion that we will get rid of oil because we need oil for centuries to come in a lot of products.
So these conflicts, these complex conflicts stay.
But now on top of that, we create new kind of conflicts, which are the mineral conflicts.
We got the cobalt of 70% of the world's supply of cobalt is you can find in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, you know, and that's that African country where there is a bloody conflict for generations.
So we are continuing to doing that.
When you talk about the minerals, the rare earth minerals, over 70% coming from China, with a lot of damage to the environment, social impact, it's poisoning the regions of refinement of the minerals.
So we are creating double trouble by embracing that whole new renewable energy project, which is absolutely not benefiting climate whatsoever.
It's only, you know, it's only creating more energy and more conflicts.
And so all the conflicts are getting more, much and more complex to solve.
And we had good systems.
We had a very good infrastructure and oil and these kind of reliable on-demand sources of energy.
And I think when you want to flourish humanity, you should give them cheap, reliable, on-demand energy, which was oil and coal.
And of course, there are problems, challenges attached to oil and coal, but it still is the most safest and environmental friendly form of energy.
You should not drink a barrel of oil.
That's not what we should do with oil.
then oil becomes bad.
But when we treat it well and well managed, then we have more time to figure out better ways of get rid of oil.
I think that's the whole panic situation makes a lot of complex conflicts, which we don't think about because we're in panic, right?
It's crisis and we should do it as fast as possible.
It's five past 12, what they say.
But the problem I have with these kind of politics that it's a crisis and we should solve it today is, first of all, when you call it a crisis and governments call us a crisis, then you take away the whole democratic fundament of society.
Because in a crisis, you don't want to have a debate, right?
When your village is on fire, that's a crisis.
And you don't want to debate within two weeks, what are we going to do with that burning village?
No, it should be done today.
So, you know, the crisis management will take care of that.
So there is no democracy at that point and has a good right.
But in terms of climate and renewables, to call it a crisis, you're sort of paralyzing humanity and paralyzing the democracy to have a rational debate how we're going to fix it.
And, you know, I think, I believe we're not in a crisis.
We are in a challenge, how we, you know, dealing with the planet and the climate and the environment.
There are new techniques and we should develop them more and more.
And by then we should, you know, develop our old infrastructure as well, more and more, more efficient, more climate neutral or friendly, of environmental friendly.
So I think that's the biggest problem I have with you disturbing a lot in society when you go to renewable energy and social impact, human rights impact, but also just the common sense.
Yeah, I mean, the governments and when they call it a crisis, and when little Greta Tunberg, who I think she graduated high school by now, who knows, when she says that, you know, the world is on fire, governments move from being thoughtfully responsive to what they think is a challenge to reactive to a crisis.
And I think that it takes the people out of the whole equation.
The people who these policies affect, we don't become a consideration in it because, as you say, they're trying to put out the fire in the burning village instead of building a fire break around the village so that the village can be a little more resilient.
There are some things actually that I wrote down as I was watching your documentary because I thought, what a, it's something I had never thought of.
And I sort of exist in this world of being critical of climate change policies.
And that is when your co-filmmaker, Alexander Pohl, he said, the climate is not alive.
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Nature is.
And I thought, yes, I know that.
I intrinsically know that.
But the other side of the argument, they treat the climate as though it is this living, breathing organism that they can feed or starve based on their lifestyle.
And that's not how it should be.
The trees are alive.
The people are alive.
We're all part of the ecosystem.
But they are sort of throwing out the alive things to please this creature of climate.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's being kept alive by a lot of factors, including humanity absolutely, and climate is so it's?
He talked about the order of things right and, and we are.
We are always shouting that we are saving the climate, but that's, you know.
It doesn't make sense.
You know we should save nature, and when we act as humans, as proper as we can in nature, then climate will be fine.
And this is the challenge.
This is the top-down thinking, right?
And I don't believe in top-down thinking.
I believe it should come from the bottom up.
It should come from within.
And all of these ingredients, like from bottom-up and from within, are taken away by politics because politics is responsible for it.
And they will lead humanity into the right direction.
And they're shutting down democracy because they are the crisis management.
So you're taking away responsibility by people.
And then you take away that living thing, which can feed climate in a positive way or nature in a positive way.
And it should come from the bottom up.
Farmers should be responsible for taking care of their land proper, and government should support them.
It should not be the other way around.
Now it's the other way around, right?
And it's not so, it's not complex.
It's not difficult.
I mean, over 60% of the arable land is degraded in the world, right?
And this is the biggest problem when we talk about climatic instability.
When you tell a farmer, you know what, this is the problem.
Your land is not healthy.
Let's put it this way.
We want to have healthy land as government.
So we will measure your land every half a year.
The healthier your land, the less tax you pay.
And I bet you within two years, it's fine, you know, because farmers are creative and they can do it, but they need to have responsibility because that responsibility of down to the down on the level, that's the living thing.
The climate is not alive.
And that's, I guess, where Alexander was talking about that when we switch that and we give responsibility back to the people and treat our nature as we should do as humans, then climate will be fine.
There was also a point at which in the movie, and I don't want to give away too much of the movie because I want people to watch it and you really should.
And there's so much in there that I don't think I could ever give it all away anyway.
But Alexander is talking to a lady who works in promoting wind energy to the communities.
And he basically says to her, does anybody double check to make sure all the promises the wind companies are making happen for these communities?
And she says, no.
So her job is just to come in, make big promises to the communities and walk away.
And whatever happens to the communities where these horrible wind farms are put, well, that's on them, I guess.
Yeah, that's unfortunately there's a truth in all these top-down models, which is not saying that these people are bad.
No.
You know, we don't have enemies.
We have systems.
And we should not forget that, that we have no enemies.
But what you say is correct.
It's, you know, they're all part of a big puzzle, but they don't know how the puzzle should look.
And when the puzzle is finished, then they look at a psychedelic artwork of dozens of wind farms standing there in our once beautiful landscapes, you know, but then it's too late, right?
And this is the problem with all these NGOs.
They're all doing fine.
They're all fine people.
They're doing good work.
They're all there with heart and soul, but they don't see that whole picture where they're in.
So, and that's dangerous.
So, I think this was one of the revealing parts for me as well that, yeah, this could be a part of the problem that everybody is doing good, but don't have a clue how that large, big, complete puzzle look like.
Yeah, that was my takeaway: she's well-meaning.
She's a true believer in the cause, but she's just the as long as she made sure that these communities had buy-in to the projects she wanted them to have, that's really all that mattered because she felt altruistic.
But then she moves on to the next community and the next community, and the community that before that deals with the fallout of the broken promises, the ruined landscape, the destructive, the destructive nature of just putting up a wind turbine, the supply chain problems.
I mean, just the idea that there is so much of a tie to China when we think about just the massive push for green energy and wind turbines.
And then China is really backstopping all of this with products.
It's really quite frightening, knowing what we know now about how China operates in the world, especially during the time of coronavirus.
You think that we would sort of be detaching ourselves from Chinese supply chains, and yet we're going all in as long as it means that we're saving the world by getting the most expensive energy on the planet, by the way.
Yeah, I think the whole COVID situation learned us how close we are with China, close to China and where it's heading to.
So, but what I, you know, why I made this film is that we are so much focused on COVID and we should, right?
We should defend our rights, defend our own body, responsibility of our body as well.
But we should not forget that, you know, the whole corona situation could be a shadow for the bees to continue to build a new world.
And the problem is that once we wake up, because the whole corona situation has sort of paralyzed humanity and the focus is only on COVID.
But meanwhile, wind farms are popping up and it's business as usual, you know.
And once we wake up in that whole corona dream, we're standing there in these once beautiful landscapes filled with industrialization.
And we didn't realize, you know, we realized what happened.
So that's the reason I made this film to stay tuned, stay awake and don't let yourself go down to the root of, you know, COVID is the only threat there is.
There is, it could be used as a big misty fog to do business as usual.
And we are asleep.
I think it's all part of the same problem.
I think it goes back to your make everything a crisis, take the democracy out of the equation theory that COVID is the current crisis.
So instead of considering people's human rights and civil liberties, let's just do things to them on the pretense that we're going to save them from an impending doom that they aren't smart enough to realize is right around the corner.
And I think climate change was the same thing.
There's a crisis.
The people aren't thinking our way and doing what we want them to do.
So we'll do it for them.
We'll bring in a carbon tax that makes food more expensive.
We'll start growing biofuels and we'll incentivize farmers to grow them.
So, what if there's no food, local food production anymore?
We're saving the planet.
People want green energy because fossil fuels, they tell us, are killing the planet.
So, we're going to put up wind turbines in their neighborhoods, whether they like it or not.
I think it's all part of the same thing.
And when corona resolves itself, because people eventually will leave the doomsday cult, I think, after 20 months of two weeks to flatten the curve, some people are going to come to their senses, and then there will be something else.
Maybe it's climate change again, maybe it'll be something else.
But I think the natural inclination of governments is to subvert democracy by using a crisis.
And that's, I think, the way it's always been.
You know, and this is the thing: you know, the government is acting like crisis management.
They should sort of manage the mass, right?
There should be some sort of direction.
And a crisis can lead people to a direction very easy.
That's soft power management, what they call in the cognitive science.
And in my opinion, you know, climate change was there.
It's being instrumentalized as a crisis to use it to control people.
It didn't work out.
The Corona came up and they hijacked Corona, the virus, to say, well, this is a very good activator to, you know, to beat the plan.
And once Corona will be gone, you're already noticing that Greta is already connecting these two dots into each other, right?
The Corona has to do with climate and climate with Corona.
In Europe, we have the introduction of the Green Pass, which is the vaccination pass.
And nobody's asking, why is it called Green Pass?
What does green has to do with Corona?
Well, it's not about Corona.
It's a very good activator to introduce the pass to use it, not only for Corona, but everything will be on it.
Your energy use.
How much did you went to the toilet today?
Right?
Oh, you're not able to flush it because you already flushed it two times today.
So this is the thing, right?
So Corona is a very good activator for the managers on top to, you know, steer us into the direction they want.
So that's the thing why it's good to have these have this sort of awakening that we are focusing on climate change as well and not only on corona.
And it's part of the, you know, the whole narrative, right?
Yes, I believe in China they call that a social credit system.
And it's been around for a while.
And so I do.
I see the strong overlays.
I see, you know, when politicians are saying, oh, coronavirus lockdowns were good, not because they slowed the spread of corona, because I don't really think they did, but because look at the greenhouse gas emissions went down because everyone was locked in their home.
And they see that as an opportunity.
Forcibly locking an innocent person in their home as though they are on house arrest for them makes perfect sense because they don't care about the person or nature.
They only care about this greenhouse gas target.
And you can see the intersection of these two things coming together very quickly.
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And I think a lot of the freedoms we've given away, we're going to have to fight to get them back because they're not going to come back very easily.
Again, because the government is in a constant state of crisis management, as you point out.
Absolutely.
And that's why, you know, to be honest, I made this film for free.
You know, everybody can watch it.
I'm 100% fan-funded, so I don't need subsidized.
I don't need paywalls or whatever.
I made this film available for everybody.
So now we have a tool, right?
Now we have a tool.
People should please use the film to challenge project developers, investors, politicians, and others by asking them to demonstrate how their project is different.
People should include local newspapers, radio station, and influencer on their request.
And I mean, let's be honest, true and integral media has left this planet a long time ago.
So what are we going to do about it?
Well, we should take the power back.
And people can post a story on the social, use this film as a tool to, you know, combat this kind of management.
So I think this is the opportunity we have with, in my opinion, a hero like Alexander Paul fighting these wind parks.
Me with the passion of making a film about it, you guys of pushing this story a little bit, you know, into the public eye.
And then it's all about the democracy again.
We've given the tools to the democracy to flourish again.
And we have it, you know.
So I think people underestimate the power of themselves.
But, you know, one man can change the world, really.
You see it on how Rebel Media has started.
You see how I've been started.
You see how Alexander Paul has been started.
That's true.
All single persons.
And the only thing we need to do is connect the dots and fight on a very integer, peaceful, and smart way, just how they do it.
And we have the tool now.
It's strange that just telling the truth now is an act of rebellion and bravery against the powers that be.
And, you know, that's one of the things I wanted to touch on before I let you go.
One of, as you were sort of examining, you and Alexander were examining the money behind the wind farm that was going up in his neighborhood and how these things are really designed to take a loss.
And the electricity being generated wasn't for Sweden.
Sweden doesn't need it.
Sweden has already, in fact, met its green energy targets because so much of their electricity is actually green because it's hydroelectricity.
The electricity being generated in this wind farm is being sold to Finland for Google, for a massive data center for Google, which you could argue controls a vast swath of the world.
If you control the information, you sort of control the people, you control how they interact.
And that's where this is going.
So when people think, well, I don't have a wind farm in my neighborhood, it doesn't affect me.
When it affects how you consume data and the data that you're allowed to see, it does affect you.
And I think that's one of the reasons why Google, I suspect, is censoring people's ability to find your movie on YouTube.
So please tell people how they can find it.
And more importantly, support the very important work that you do because, again, you are not investor-funded.
You're not government-funded.
You are fan-funded, crowd-funded, just like we are here at Rebel News.
And I think that's the most democratic way to do it because you know instantly when you get something wrong, the people let you know right away.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm walking a very thin line.
So I should be careful.
But what you say is true, you know.
And imagine the fact that we are, when we talk about development countries, right?
They could use a bit of electricity.
When we really want to help the world to make this planet a little bit a better place, we should not give that electricity to Google.
We should give it to Africa, you know.
And people were very different in reaction, I guess, when you say, you know, this is a big wind farm, but all the electricity is going to Burundi, you know, because nobody has electricity there.
But no, instead, it's going to Google to finance new electricity, new needs, and addict us even more to mainstream social platforms.
As a matter of fact, what you're talking about, that you know, we're being censored more and more and more.
So I think this is a very, it's, yeah, it's, it's a rape of nature, it's a rape of humanity, it's, it's a rape of everything, actually, that whole renewable project.
So how do people support you?
Because you are crowdfunded.
You're not taking any money from anybody.
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And you are actively, I suspect, you're, I'm saying it, not you, censored by Google, because I deal with Google censorship every day.
There's a list of things we can and can't say about certain topics.
They, if you talk about climate change, you are not easily discoverable in the algorithm.
So how do people support Mariah Pools and his work?
Well, mainly they go to marianpools.com and there you find a support button and they click around and they find their ways how to support me.
And that's it actually.
Yeah, what you said, I'm being censored and you feel it everywhere and you see it actually as well.
It's quite open that you're being censored.
But hey, and on the other side, I'm still alive.
I'm still there and I still continue.
I will continue.
And, you know, the more people will fund me, the stronger I will be to, you know, be the censorship and find other ways to get the story out there.
And it's certainly, it's a, it's a, well, it's a hard time.
It's an interesting time, I must say, as an artist, you know, because I am an artist.
It's a very interesting time what's happening.
And I'm very glad that I'm alive in this kind of era to work with these topics and to find a way on a bit of a smart way, I hope, to a non-violence way to break that solid fundament of the old system and try to reinvent a kind of a new system.
And this is a kind of organic process, you know.
So it's, and that's the most interesting part that you work on the people, the feelings, the gut feelings there is, you try to dig in stories, you reveal truth.
And, you know, from there out, it's it's only light what can shine, you know, and I'm very hopeful that we will, because I don't believe that the world has changed too much.
You know, the world is the same as 200 years back.
There were managers as well.
There were kings, brutal kings.
But now it's become visible.
And this is the most beautiful thing.
And that corona had did that, right?
Because when you meet someone on the street and you give him a hand and he's not taking your hand, you know exactly, okay, right?
It's quite visible that parallel society.
It was always be there, but now it's quite visible and you can work on it.
So for me, that's so hopeful that I'm being funded by people.
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I don't have an agenda.
The only agenda I have is to inform people in order that they could think for themselves.
You know, that's my agenda.
And people are supporting me.
Like you know, you can go to a food, a soccer match, right.
When you go to a soccer match in Europe, you pay 80, 90 euro to.
You know, be in a stadium uh, when you're a poor guy, you will not allow to go into.
When you go to um to do um biking right um, you can.
You can be there as a homeless guy along the streets and enjoy biking, seeing biking, right.
So you don't have to pay, but other people pay for the event and that's the sort of system i'm in right now.
So i'm doing it for everybody and those who can, please support me, and those who don't have any money, don't bother.
Just watch my movie and you know there will be a time that you can fund me, or or not, it doesn't matter.
And and this is the, this is such a strong system which cannot die.
Yeah, I mean the people who, who can't, who can't, chip in.
They chip in in their own way, by taking the message and spreading the information um, when they take those arguments out into the world and you are right, it is a it's a strange time to be in media, or your case as a film creator.
You do make some enemies when some of them are powerful, you know um, but for every one enemy you make, I think you find two new allies.
I mean, look at you, you're from the left, we're not even supposed to be talking, and uh, and we have so many common interests and, and primarily, the greatest interest is telling the truth and making sure that people have the information they need to make decisions for themselves without the government making those decisions for them.
Yeah, that's absolutely right, and you know there is what i'm keep repeating is we don't have enemies, we have systems right, and these systems are creating enemies of us, out of us.
You know, when you talk about the left and the right, you know I know where you, where you're going to, that's.
You know we're not supposed to talk to each other, because we should be, you know, fighting against each other, but we should not trep in that, in that hole, because we are so much the same actually, and we have the same interest.
We all, you know, want to want to leave this planet a bit bit better as how we found it right.
That's our main common interest, and the roads are might be different, but the horizon is the same and we should not be played out by those people who want to play us out, and of course I have.
You know, people see me as enemy, but I don't have enemies um, these people who are saying that they're my enemy, they're in the, in the wrong system, which I don't like and i'm trying to break it, but they are not enemies for me.
So that's the way how you can survive and um yeah i'm, i'm very interesting uh, how to see how this is developing.
Um, but you know, it's unstoppable.
It truly is, because it's powered by the people.
Um and, if anything, over the last 20 or so months of coronavirus, I think the old dynamics between left and right have sort of fallen apart and now it is people who want to be left alone and people who won't leave them alone, I think.
I think that's where we're at now, um, people who want to live their lives their own way and people who want to control the other, people who just want to be left alone.
I think that's the new political dynamic in the world right now.
Um right Mariah, I could talk to you all day, I know.
Yes, we should be neighbors, actually.
I know.
Well, and it's funny because I see the logs in the background, and I think that is exactly like my home.
So it's funny how you can find these allies with people who are on the other side of the planet.
Again, that was one of the takeaways from watching your movie: northern Sweden, infected by those wind turbines.
That could be my neighborhood.
And I think a lot of people watching your movie will feel the same way.
I hope that, and I will include a link to your movie in the show notes today.
I want to thank you very much for coming on the show.
I will not leave it as long before we have you on the show again next time.
And I'm sure you'll be working on something very important very, very soon.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much, Shaila.
You know, Marijn is so right.
Whether it's climate change or COVID, some people out there are trying to control us by dividing us.
They're telling us what to think, how to act, and who we can talk to, because by keeping us apart, they keep us weaker and more easy to control.
So don't listen to the government.
Talk to your neighbors.
Talk to your friends.
Talk to your family and have conversations the government and these power brokers don't want you to have.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.