Glen Carritt, former Innisfail town councillor and mayoral candidate, leads Alberta’s Anti-Lockdown Caucus with Randy Hillier, Derek Sloan, Drew Barnes, and Angela Pitt, opposing prolonged COVID restrictions like business closures and worship limits. He cites AHS’s $10M+ "sunshine list" payrolls as wasteful, questions Alberta’s shifting lockdown phases despite 99.6–99.7% COVID survival rates, and condemns Pastor James Coates’ imprisonment while sex offenders face leniency. Carritt frames his campaign—contactable via glenncarrat@gmail.com—as a fight for freedom of choice, small businesses, and government accountability, challenging mainstream narratives and urging politicians to prioritize voters over media or party lines. [Automatically generated summary]
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Now tonight my guest is a bit of a rebel and a renegade himself.
It's former Innisfail town councillor Glenn Carrot.
Now you might know him as Glenn Carrot, organizer of The Convoy to Ottawa with United We Roll, but he's also a mayoral candidate and a member of the Anti-Lockdown Caucus.
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A prominent member of the Anti-Lockdown Caucus speaks to me tonight about these never-ending lockdowns here in Alberta and unbelievably how he ended up under investigation for not taking a knee to Black Lives Matter.
I know it's crazy.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
Hi, everyone.
I'm out and about again tonight chasing Fight the Fines cases.
So I'm once again not in my usual studio.
Our Fight the Fines campaign is our largest civil liberties campaign to date where we take on fighting these lockdown tickets and fighting for freedom one Canadian at a time.
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Now speaking of lockdown restrictions, I'm sure you've heard by now about the anti-lockdown caucus.
It's made up of municipal, provincial, and even federal politicians who are opposed to the coronavirus lockdown restrictions on our civil liberties and our businesses and our ability to worship.
One of the first members of the lockdown caucus or the anti-lockdown caucus, I should say, is a familiar face and someone I greatly admire.
It was Glenn Carrot of United We Roll.
Now, some of you may not know that Glenn has been a counselor in his local municipality of Innisfail, Alberta, and he's currently running to be the mayor there.
Glenn has been supportive of small businesses that are willing to break the lockdown restrictions to throw their doors open to customers again.
It's something that might be technically against the letter of the law, but it is something that is morally right and just.
So today I have Glenn on the show talking about a whole host of issues, including how the lockdown is attacking religious freedom, how the Alberta government seems to keep moving the lockdown goalposts, and how the heck Glenn ended up under investigation by his town council for not taking a knee to Black Lives Matter.
It is insane.
Check out this interview re-recorded earlier this morning when I was still at home.
So joining me now is Glenn Carrot.
He's a mayoral candidate for Innisvale, but he's also a member of the Lockdown Caucus.
Glenn, thanks for joining me.
Most people know you as Glenn Carrott from United We Roll.
You took a convoy of Albertans and Westerners and our concerns all the way to Ottawa.
But now you're still fighting for freedom as a member of the lockdown caucus or the anti-lockdown caucus.
First of all, why did you join that thing and what do you hope to accomplish by being a part of it?
Well, good morning, Sheila, and thank you for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
I joined it because I believe in the message they're portraying.
You know, you got Randy Hillier, Derek Sloan, some very, very prominent names in the Liberty Coalition Canada caucus.
And we all have the same message that these lockdowns are unwarranted for the numbers that's going on, the emergency that they portray that's going on does not warrant all these businesses being shut down.
And we're either elected officials or not past, former elected officials.
And we're just trying to get out this message that there's more to this picture than just health.
Health is always number one.
Safety and health is always number one, of course.
We get that.
But there's more to it.
Economists, you know, I had an economist on my show the other day and he said nobody's on talking to the province about economy, et cetera, and ERP's emergency response plans.
Just doesn't make sense what we have going on right now.
So that's why I joined it.
I think it's a good force out there, a good group of people that want to move businesses to getting the country open.
Now, I guess what are some of the goals?
So you want to open up the economy, get everybody back to work.
That's something that I firmly believe in.
Do you want to sort of remove some of these emergency powers that the government, I guess, has sort of snatched for themselves?
And they have all this additional power and all this extra ability to make decisions without going before the legislature.
For me, that's one of the most concerning things is I didn't vote for chief medical officer of health, Dina Hinshaw, yet she's running my life and I have no way of holding her to account.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think there was a statement or a broadcast that came out just the other day that gave Dr. Hinshaw even more power that she can enforce the law.
And yeah, this is wrong.
What people need to realize is that this is not the law.
These are health regulations and the laws have to go in front of legislature.
And yes, we vote people in and we voted Jason Kenney in.
And whether you like what he's doing or not, he is our elected official, but they shouldn't have the right to enforce these laws on us.
We still need to have freedom of as a business owner, as a fellow business owner.
I need to have my freedom to run my business as I wish.
If you don't want to come into my business and you don't feel safe, then that's totally up to you.
But we need the freedoms in our country to be able to open our business and run our businesses as we decide fit.
Now, there are two right now, two members of Jason Kenney's caucus that are also members of the anti-lockdown caucus.
So we've got Drew Barnes and Angela Pitt.
And Drew Barnes, he's always a bit of a renegade and a rebel.
I like Drew.
He prickles against the consensus of his party in favor of freedom, which I think is great.
But Angela Pitt, I mean, she's a prominent member of the caucus.
I think she's the deputy whip.
Are there more like them, I guess?
Those two were the bravest ones that came out officially.
But I'm sure in the circles that you travel in, you have heard that there are other MLAs who feel the same way they do, but maybe just aren't as outspoken.
Yeah, I believe, you know, I first met Drew Barnes on the way back from Ottawa.
He presented a belt buckle to me and a flag and was there to meet us and greet us.
And I gained a lot of respect for Drew at that time, you know, because he was going, you know, I don't know if I want to say against the grain because the grain is your people.
And I think he's actually moving with the grain of the people.
And yeah, it's against a little bit of the premier's game grain, but we need to be able to speak out and have those conversations.
You don't always have to agree.
It doesn't mean you're representing the whole UCP party in that regard, but you have to be able to speak your mind.
And that's some of the troubles I've been going through with on town council.
And yeah, it's great to see Angela Pitt on there, you know, two very prominent people.
And I do believe there's more.
I believe a lot of MLAs really would like to speak out.
I mean, I obviously can't speak for any of them, but I see that people are starting to realize that there's a big problem with what's going on in the numbers.
And I just released actually, I didn't release the AHS, I posted an AHS chart on ICU numbers.
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And 2020 is actually down from 2019 and down from, and or very consistent.
And I mean, I've worked in the medical business, fire business for over 20 years, and we've done hallway medicine for years.
So to say that our hospitals are overloaded and our ICUs are overloaded right now is not true.
I mean, it is true, they are overloaded, but they are always overloaded.
I've spent hours with numerous people in the hallways waiting for beds.
So this is not a new problem.
We need to fix, the problem is the healthcare and we need to fix the problems in healthcare.
And I suspect you're like me that fixing the problems with healthcare does not mean just dumping more money on salaries.
It actually means rethinking how we do things in this province.
No, it doesn't.
I mean, all you got to do is look at the sunshine list on AHS and it's a public document out there of people that have retired and the amounts of money that they're paying.
It's exorbitant.
And we need to, you know, there's, we need to look at the whole whole AHS as a whole.
And maybe, you know, you crumble it and start over, which is very difficult, but we really need to look at the whole system of the waste.
And it's the same as governments.
We have such huge government overspending and AHS has huge overspending and it has to stop.
We can't continue to sustain that.
Everybody thinks it's free, but it's not free.
We all pay for it as we know, right?
Yeah, I don't think we should be doing more of the same when the same continues to fail.
And the same apparently was not prepared for something that hospitalization rates look very similar to the seasonal flu every year.
Now, I want to ask you about your mayoral campaign in Innisfail, because you just sort of touched on it.
You were a town councilor in Innisvale, perfect town councilor on paper.
I'm local businessman, pro-energy, a community activist, a booster of Innisfail and small businesses.
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But town council did not feel the same way about you that I do.
And you had some pressure from them and you sort of resigned in protest.
But now to, I guess, to show them all whose boss you're running for mayor, can you give us an update on what's going on there?
Sure.
Yeah.
Actually, they just finished the investigation and they came.
Whoa, whoa, hang on, hang on.
So you had an investigation into you for what?
It was a code of conduct investigation.
And I will say that I actually voted in favor of having the code of conduct because quite frankly, every time I would speak to any residents in town or went to any rally or anything like that, I was grilled on town council for speaking out or having basically a different opinion.
And they didn't think that it represented council as a whole.
And my philosophy is that if we can't speak or go to these rallies and learn and listen and speak your mind, then you're just a puppet sitting in council and going along with status quo.
If they would prefer that you just go from your home to council, home to council, then you're not representing the people and we have to be able to talk to the people.
You don't have to like it.
You don't have to agree with me.
I've never said anybody needs to agree with me.
And one of the big allegations was that they thought that I invoked fear in our community at the Black Matter rally.
And they supported the Black Lives Matter rally.
I did not.
I went to it, as I've been to many rallies.
And I feel it's their right to go to a rally, just like it's my right to go to a rally.
And I never asked for a code of conduct because they went to a rally.
So it just, the hypocrisy is definitely there.
And they actually have allegations against me for the convoy that it didn't represent council as a whole.
Now, here's the kicker is that we had another code of conduct investigation a little over a year ago with another counselor.
And I was investigated because you, as a counselor, if you're on council and we do a code of conduct, everybody's subject to investigation.
So at that time, well over a year ago, when we did that investigation, I was found not to breach any code of conduct with the convoy that they found.
I asked permission.
I told the council that this is what I was doing and they were in agreeance with it as long as I wasn't representing the town, which I did not.
And so this time around with the code of conduct that they found 36 allegations against me, they found that I did breach the code of conduct for the convoy.
So the hypocrisy is endless.
And to me, it's only as good as the person that's paying the bill of the investigator because it was, and I'll also make this clear, same investigator, same company, same person that found that I didn't breach the code of conduct for the convoy originally has now found me breaching the code of conduct.
There was so much, there was actually allegations that said that Glenn Carrot only hangs out with a certain type of person.
You mean like your friends?
So, you know, it's become a bit of a joke, I guess, at coffee time in the morning because I said, you guys better be careful of who you're hanging out with.
But they're trying to paint, they're trying to paint me into a box of being, you know, a white supremac and racist.
And, you know what?
You can call me, call me all the names you want.
I know who I am.
I know that I love people all the same.
And if you show me respect, I'll show you respect back.
And it doesn't matter to me where you come from.
So they just try to paint you into this box because they don't like what you're saying.
And we have to get out of this that when you're out talking or going to rallies or talking to people, that you're representing council.
Yes, you can't say that council, like Innisfail, all believes in the council of Innisfail believes all in this, or the Council of Red Deer.
That obviously that's again, would be against code of conduct, but we have to be able to be individuals and speak our minds and be able to talk to the user groups and talk to people.
And then at the end of the day, the judge and jury is the election.
If you don't like my voice, if you don't like that I stand up for freedom of choice, if you don't like that I stand up for oil and gas, if you don't like that I want to see less government and holding administration and a municipal government accountable, then don't vote for me.
But if you like those things, if you want me to represent and fight for you, then I'm your guy.
You know, the thing with that Black Lives Matter protest that came to Innisfail, those weren't Innisfail locals.
Those were imported trucked-in activists from Calgary that came to call your community racist, which is not something that the immigrant business owners that Kian Bexty talked to said about Innisfail.
They said it was a welcoming place and they were happy to be there.
You showed up to represent the other side of the story as someone who is proud of your community and who doesn't think that Innisfail is a racist place to be.
And for that, I guess town council has decided that you instill fear in the community.
For standing up for the community, you made the community fearful.
You know who's scared, I think?
The other cowards on town council who didn't have the guts to stand up for their community the way you did.
Well, they don't, you know, the part of the problem is that they haven't investigated, they haven't done the research on BLM itself.
And listen, I'm all in favor of anti-racism, of course.
Of course.
I mean, we all are, but to paint, the problem is that they painted Innisfail, as you said, with a brush that you're all innisfail, or sorry, that you're all racist.
In fact, a certain member on council went on to the Ryan Jesperson show and said, shame on Innisfail for being racist.
To me, that's completely wrong.
And again, I didn't run to the code of conduct on that particular person for what she said.
That's really her choice.
I don't agree with it.
It's her choice to say.
But you shouldn't shame your community.
I believe our community.
Do we have some racist people in our community?
Of course.
What community doesn't, right?
But we can't paint everybody with a brush and say Innisfail in a general population is racist because now every single person in Innisfail walks out the door thinking, oh, who thinks I'm racist this morning?
I talked to a young lady, Rosa Murphy.
I'm not sure if I sent you that interview, but she said she walks out her door right now.
And before the rally, she felt comfortable and now she feels that people think that she's part of BLM and she knows BLM and she's studied it and knows that it's a Marxist organization.
And the problem getting back to the town council is they didn't research who BLM was to stand up against them.
And I have and I knew and they didn't take that into consideration that I actually knew who Antifa was and who BLM was.
And they jumped in with both feet and, you know, and I didn't want to support them.
I didn't.
Other members of council went actually and kneeled to BLM, and every well, every single one of them, including the mayor.
And I did not, of course, because I kneeled to God, and that's it, of course.
So, and I have no problem saying that.
And I'm convicted of who I believe BLM is.
And all I ever ask is, prove me wrong.
Tell me, follow the money, and I say to do your research.
And if somebody can prove me wrong, then I'll change my views.
But it hasn't happened yet, as you know, because that's the truth, as I see it.
Well, and this idea that there's only one way to be anti-racist, and that is to subscribe to everything that BLM says, I think is a false idea.
There are plenty of other ways to be against racism than having to sign up for the goals and ideals and the Marxism of Black Lives Matter.
There's not just one way to care about your fellow man.
And it's really kind of pathetic to see these town councilors taking me to the golden calf of BLM Marxism without doing any research whatsoever.
Those are not the kind of people that I want representing my community.
And I think that a lot of people in Innisfail probably feel the same way as I do.
Yeah, I think so.
You know, it's going to be very interesting come October because, you know, Councillor Barkley is running against me and we definitely see things differently.
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And, you know, the unfortunate part is we actually used to have coffee once a week and collaborate on, you know, talking together about the town.
And ever since the social economic issues have come up, we've definitely seen a big divide in the community.
And it's not typical of a municipal government because we typically don't get into these social economic issues per se.
But this pandemic and, you know, BLM and the United States election, et cetera, and with our current prime minister, all of these issues are coming to the forefront.
And there's a huge divide in our town, and it's very unfortunate.
I hope you're right.
Come October, we'll see, you know, do people want somebody that's going to stand up for them or to kneel?
So that's going to be the question.
I am hopeful.
I'm hopeful.
Now, I wanted to ask you, I guess I have two more questions for you because you're being so generous with your time this morning.
I wanted to ask you about, okay, so we're filming this on Wednesday morning.
Alberta at the beginning of the week here said that they are moving into phase two of ending the lockdown.
But phase two looks a heck of a lot just like phase one.
And they've completely moved the goalpost, what they said we were allowed in phase two.
They're changing that so that fewer of those things are allowed and the things that are allowed are at reduced capacity of what they had predicted.
For example, you can go to the gym and you can go on the treadmill, but you damn sure better not run on the treadmill because we can't do high intensity workouts.
We can only do low intensity workouts.
We can do group fitness, but it can only be stretching and yoga.
You can't do like kickboxing, Taibo, or whatever.
As you can tell, it's been a long time since I've been in like an actual gym because I don't even think Taibo is a thing anymore.
But you know what I mean?
Like none of it makes any sense.
They said kids could start doing sports again.
Kids aren't doing sports, but they can do sports training.
Why do you think the government is just doing this constant bait and switch thing with, you know, giving us back our freedoms?
Well, yeah, you know, exactly.
First of all, not once as Dr. Hinshaw came on or Premier Kenny.
I mean, Premier Kenny's not the health expert per se, as they claim Dr. Henshaw is, but not once has she come on and said, you know, you need to have take vitamin D, you need to get exercise, you need to get sunshine, you need to be active to stay healthy.
So not once have they said that.
So there's obviously a disconnect there.
But if we go back to a year ago in March of last year, and we all know this, it's two weeks to flatten the curve.
Okay.
Well, the curve never really went up.
The ICU, as we've seen in the chart that I sent out, the ICU rates weren't increased.
So then we open up again.
He apologizes.
Premier Kenny actually apologizes for having a lockdown.
Two weeks later, he that has another lockdown, but states that it's not a lockdown.
But what I'll question is: you ask any business, any gym owner, or any restaurant that was closed down if that's a lockdown to them, because it sure is a lockdown.
If my business was closed down, that's a lockdown.
Call it what you want, but it's a lot.
So then he said it's another two weeks.
And so we had, so we had the two weeks in December.
And then you get people like Natalie Klein from Blades and Fades that are so frustrated and at their wits end or at their end of their line for income and decide that they have to open and good for her.
And so she opens.
And so there's a little bit of pressure and the pressure gets Premier Kenny to move forward with opening barbershops, etc.
And there's been a little bit of pressure with restaurants.
So those have opened up.
And now they're two-weeking us to death, as you can see, because there's, you know, if they would have said we're going to lock down for a year, of course, everybody would have said, you know, go pump sand, we're not doing that.
So that they continue to two-week us to death.
And then going back to March to flatten the curve, and then it was case, case, case, case.
And now it's we can't, we have to stay locked down until the vaccine.
So is it?
So to me, why didn't you just say in the beginning we were going to, if this is the way it was going to be, you're going to lock down until the vaccine comes out, then at least tell us, because that, to me, that's what it's about is the vaccine, whether you believe in it or not, then stop lying, right?
So we just have to get, we just have to keep moving forward and tell the truth about why you have these lockdowns.
Is it about the vaccine or is it about cases and the actual virus?
Because it doesn't, the numbers do not appear that the virus was as big as a concern as what they at first anticipated.
I think they keep moving the goalposts because if they had told us at the beginning, well, you have to basically stay locked down until a vaccine is developed and you receive it, nobody would have played along.
But this like two weeks to flatten the curve, two weeks to flatten the curve, oh, a month of what do they call it, a circuit breaker lockdown.
You know, when they break a year and a half of your life into two-week spans, it's easy to feed that garbage to you and you don't get sick and die from it, from feeding the garbage, right?
You continue to buy in.
It's easy to buy in at that point for people, for people as a majority, I guess.
I mean, let's look at the states right now.
South Dakota never locked down, never had mandatory masks.
And, you know, their economy in South Dakota, particularly, is booming and they're doing well.
And Florida is fairly open.
Texas is opening up now.
And another state, I can't remember what the third one is.
South Dakota.
So, sorry?
South Dakota.
South Dakota was already open.
They never did lock.
They never, their senator came on and said they've never had mandatory masks, et cetera, and they're thriving.
So you got to look at the stats.
You got to look at the numbers and stop making up the numbers.
You know, again, go back to March.
And we, you know, we all, it didn't smell right.
You know, we thought, okay, there's a virus, maybe it's like Ebola, maybe it's the Spanish flu, maybe, you know, maybe this is something bad that we have to take precautions.
Okay, so we all thought, let's take some precautions, but then we quickly realized that wasn't the case.
99.6 or 99.7, so many pick either number, it doesn't matter, survival rate on the coronavirus or the Wuhan flu.
So it just doesn't justify what we've done.
And I don't know how they can continue to go down this road when the numbers aren't justifying it.
Now, last thing I wanted to ask you about, and this is, I think, not something that's generally on the Glen Carrot beat.
You're pro-small business, pro-energy, but you're also pro-freedom.
So I thought I would ask you about this.
I've been covering the case very closely of Pastor James Coates.
He has just clocked over his two weeks in custody at the Maximum Security Remand Center for his crime, refusing to limit his congregation to 15% of fire code capacity.
And for Pastor James, he said, basically, and I'm paraphrasing here, I'm not turning away 85% of my congregation because the government told me to do that.
I don't answer to Jason Kenney, I answer to God.
I know you're a conservative, I'm a conservative, I'm more of a nonpartisan conservative, and I think you're the same way.
But for me to see Jason Kenney crack down on religious freedom after that has been so central to what I know Jason Kenney in the past to be someone who is an advocate for religious freedom in China and Saudi Arabia and in northern Iraq.
It's so shocking to me to see him cracking down on religious freedom in the name of a virus here in Alberta.
I just wanted to get your opinion on this.
Sure.
Yeah, it's you know hypocritical again is to me is the word of 2020.
And first of all, again, go back to March when we weren't sure back last year, March.
Again, we weren't sure of what was going on.
We needed to be cautious.
So, okay, we'll take some precautions.
Now, now we know.
So, Pastor Coates wants to have his congregation, his church open to full capacity.
Now, you have the freedom of choice to go or stay home.
You have the freedom of choice to wear your mask or not.
That's the way I see things: if you don't feel that you want to walk into a church that's full of capacity, then please stay home.
And again, in March, maybe we and I might have felt a little differently in March, or I didn't, but some people might have felt back at March that they were concerned.
But you need, but it doesn't add up now.
We've got to stop thinking that what happened, what we were thinking in last March, is the same as this March because the numbers just don't justify what's going on.
So, again, stay home, and we got to have the freedom of choice to be able to do those things to either go to church or not go to church, go to a business that is fully open or not fully open.
You know, if you're worried and you have a compromised immune system or you have people in your family that are elderly that are that are prone to catching a virus and it and it might cause death, then you have that choice.
So, again, going back to your original question about freedom of choice, yes, we have to have that choice.
For me, it's just appalling to see sex offenders because they're technically non-violent in some instances being released from the remand, a place that's had two coronavirus outbreaks, while at the same time we're sticking a pastor in there.
Um, and he's never had an outbreak at his church.
I, it's just, I mean, the irony and hypocrisy is insane.
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Well, he's trying to, to me, it's they're trying to make an example of a person that's that stood up and to try and send a message that we're holier than thou and we can make all these decisions.
Same as the, you know, the whistle stop.
They put them in court right away.
Meanwhile, assaulters and sexual offenders, et cetera, are being released and/or their court dates are being postponed, whatever.
But it's that important that we've got to get these people to make a make a statement into court immediately.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah.
And you know what?
I remember last March when I was like, well, maybe, you know, maybe I guess we're just going to have to wear masks because I didn't trust China.
I didn't trust what China was saying.
And you were the person who talked sense to me.
You said, Sheila, no.
And I better not see a mask on that pretty face.
And I'll never forget that you were like the one person who was like, you know what?
No, there's more going on here.
And maybe China's lying.
Maybe China's not lying, but you're not putting a mask on.
And I'm really grateful.
And it's true how your opinions can change in a year as you learn more and you see more and things start to not add up.
Glenn, you are running for mayor.
I want to give you a chance to let people know how they can find you.
I know you have these little online coffee sessions that you do that I think are pretty interesting.
So how can people see what you're up to in your mayoral campaign and how can they support the work that you're doing?
Yeah, so we've, you know, Haley Wilde's helping me out.
She's going to be putting together a website.
And I'm on, you know, we've got a Facebook page, of course.
There will be the website.
We've developed a campaign team of supporters in Innisfail.
We've got once things, once the weather gets a little nicer, we're going to have some outdoor barbecues, etc.
And I continue to reach out to the people in Innisfail, go to the businesses.
You can always phone me at my cell phone is always available.
You can email me at glenncarratgmail.com.
I'm always available to listen and open to open conversation.
Glenn, thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today.
I know that this is a workday for you, like it's a work day for me.
So I appreciate you taking the time out of the day to update us on everything that's going on in central Alberta and in general, the fight for just freedom and normalcy in Alberta.
So thanks again.
Thank you.
Thanks, Sheila.
have a great day.
I think we need more politicians out there like Glenn, people who are willing to end up on the wrong side of the mainstream media or their political colleagues to do what they think is right for the people they represent.
the people who voted for them.
And I think that's why Glenn's running for mayor.
And they generally don't endorse politicians, but I definitely hope my friend Glenn wins because Innisfail deserves better.
But I also hope Glenn wins because I think he'll inspire other politicians to do the same, to ignore the mean girls in the media party and worry about the people who went into a polling booth and cast a ballot for them.
Well, everybody, that's a show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here.
Well, maybe not here, maybe at my home studio or wherever I might be at the same time next week.