Vince Dow, a 17-year-old California student doxed for opposing BLM-related rioting, claims harassment stemmed from virtue signaling and peer validation. He argues Asian students face discrimination in admissions—like Harvard’s stricter grading curve—and critiques cultural appropriation debates, defending the Kansas City Chiefs mascot while citing Inuit opposition to the Edmonton Eskimos’ name change. His satirical "Progressive Vince" account exposes left-wing fringe ideas, some of which right-wing audiences misinterpreted as genuine. Frustrated by perceived leftist extremism and conservative inaction, Dow insists his real content on affirmative action and cultural norms is necessary. The episode reveals tensions between free speech, satire, and the polarizing effects of online activism. [Automatically generated summary]
This week I spoke to Gen Z viral commentator Vince Dow.
He's a 17 year old from California who was doxed by his classmates for supporting Trump and he's turned that into a huge social media following.
At the Vince Dow is up to almost 100,000 followers on Instagram where he posts some pretty good clips about stuff like affirmative action, cultural appropriation, and you'll get to hear some of that in this interview.
He's also got this hilarious fake progressive page with a lot of viral posts.
Like one actually says why you should let your girlfriend cheat on you and it gives this crazy social justice reasoning on why you should do that.
Basically, he fakes being super liberal and people believe it and they spread these pictures around freaking out about it.
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Without further delay, here's Vince Dow.
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Thank you.
Keep in mind, this took place before any of the major riots.
Before anyone started looting Target and setting Auto Jones on fire, literally the entire country, right and left, was on board and against what happened to George Wood and thought it was murder.
So when you say you weren't being heard, being heard by who exactly?
So you can imagine my surprise when I got older and found out that I am discriminated against on the basis of my skin color and college admissions.
Why?
Because I'm Asian.
Wait, what?
So I've been getting some heat about my video on the name of Kansas City Chiefs.
This person says, well, no other race or ethnic group in their culture is culturally accepted as mascots.
But dude, literally, what are you talking about?
Minnesota Vikings, Boston Celtics, Dallas Cowboys, New Orleans Saints.
And lastly, did you know that President Trump and Republicans are currently considering a bill that basically overturned the Equal Pay Act and sort of allow like men to be paid more than women if they want?
Like, what is your opinion on that?
That's sick.
And that's twisted.
And I don't understand why.
I'm going to use you as an example.
like this would be better than this, or this would be...
Did you just assume my gender?
Superior.
I did.
I'm sorry.
Since that was a political commentator, He was rated in Newsweek magazine's top 12 conservative up-and-comers.
And you can find him on Twitter and Instagram at the VinceDow and Vince Dow on YouTube.
Vince, thanks for joining me.
How are you today?
Good.
I'm great.
How you doing?
I'm doing pretty good, man.
It's been a while since we spoke, but why I brought you on is because I think more people, especially young people, need to see the type of stuff you're doing.
And frankly, see how popular your stuff has become, especially on stuff like TikTok and Instagram.
Now, first and foremost, I think the first thing I saw related to you was you were harassed by your schoolmates, basically for your views.
And you actually spoke to my guy, I'll call him Will Witt, about it.
So I want to show that video of you talking to Will Witt, and then I wanted to get you to elaborate on exactly what happened after that.
Can we get to that, Justin?
But some people at your school, or I believe they were at your school, didn't really like you very much.
And they took some action.
What happened to you?
Okay, so I guess we'll start from the top.
So obviously, as we know, the rioting, I mean, it might seem like common sense to older people that rioting and looting is bad, but to my generation, it's really not.
Like, to be quite frank with you, a lot of leftists, if my generation are okay with all the terrorism and the violence happening in our streets right now.
And all I've basically been saying, I actually think this is the least controversial I've ever been in my life, or my political life at least.
All I've basically been saying is that this looting is bad, this rioting is bad, it's especially bad for communities of color.
And I've just been condemning it.
And then starting like last week, this group of kids from my school just started mobbing me.
Like, I don't even know who these kids are.
Like, they don't even share classes with me.
I barely know them.
Like, I see them around school sometimes, but I don't really know who these kids are.
They started mobbing me, harassing me.
Like, they called me all these names.
And don't get me wrong, I can take name calling, right?
It's just whatever.
But they spread false sexual rumors about me with another girl.
And that other girl got very hurt by what happened, you know, all that too.
And she was like, what the hell's going on here?
And it just kept escalating.
And the thing is, I never even provoke them.
I never insult them.
In fact, they don't even follow me.
So that means they've just been stalking me and just leaving all this hate on my post.
And you look at some of their Twitter feeds, their entire Twitter feeds are dedicated to me just to me.
Like they're just tweeting about me and just saying all these things about me.
Now, this is a really weird age we're living in, Vince, where people are now picking on each other for their political views.
And there's a bunch of tweets that you showed in the past when this was happening.
We've got one where they're saying the email Dr. Guy or whoever this professor is.
And one of them also mentions how you were number one in your class and your classmates didn't like what you were saying.
What was it exactly that they didn't like that caused this reaction?
So I, to be honest, don't know exactly what it was, mainly because they don't really know what it was.
Like they just don't comprehend stuff and things.
So they just knew that I was a conservative and that I was speaking out against BLM and especially speaking out against the rioting and looting and just destruction of all the foundations of Western civilization that were occurring last summer.
And that was enough for them.
You know, they really didn't have anything in specific where they were like, this is what you said wrong.
Or, you know, this is the video where we were really pissed at.
They just knew like, I have these views and were just attacking me for that.
And I don't really know.
And I don't think they really know because we're not the brightest kids.
But, you know.
So did it stop there after it was publicized?
Did the school do anything about it?
What was the aftermath about that?
And then we'll get to the video that I think set them off.
Okay.
So the school.
So luckily, at least for me, I was at least relieved that this school didn't take action against me because that was what I was honestly because you know how public schools are.
That was honestly what I was more worried about.
Like I knew retribution for these kids wouldn't happen like to any extent, except for the kid who at school who dox me.
He actually got in trouble with the school district.
And I don't know how that ended, but I just know it was pretty bad for him.
But I was very at least pleased that the school basically sat me down and told me like, no, we can't, we're not going to and we can't, you know, punish you for your political views.
That's your free speech.
And if you're the valedictorian by the end of next year, then you're going to make this speech regardless.
So I was at least pleased to see that happen.
Okay.
And then for anyone who thinks maybe, you know, Vince is a young guy.
He's probably not telling the full story here.
I want to play what your vitriolic and hateful comments were about rioting.
Let's go to that.
So a lot of people who have been defending riots have been saying it's the only way we can be heard.
Really?
Rioting was the only way for you to be heard?
Is that why within hours of the incident reaching the national spotlight, the city of Minneapolis was already neck deep into an investigation of the incident?
And all four cops were fired.
And the president of the United States ordered the FBI and the Department of Justice to get involved in the case at an expedited rate and make it their top priority, which is highly unprecedented and rare for an incident of that small scale at such a local level, really?
Keep in mind, this took place before any of the major riots.
Before anyone started looting Target and setting auto zones on fire, literally the entire country, right and left, was on board and against what happened to George Floyd and thought it was murder.
So when you say you weren't being heard, being heard by who exactly?
Because literally everyone, including the president of the United States, the highest person in the land, was literally condemning what happened.
Now you guys have distracted the attention away from George Floyd and on yourselves.
Now that's what I think happens in a lot of these things, Vince.
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And I wanted to get your opinion on that.
Does a lot of this come back to, I want the attention?
It's not even about what happened there.
No matter how Trump reacts, we need a reason to be mad at him.
Is it more of a, I mean, you're around these people every single day, I'd imagine, if your school's open right now, is it a heightened level of self-sense of worth, so to speak?
Yeah, well, you know, it's people do this, basically, kids do this to seek validation from other kids, right?
It's sort of a virtue signal thing.
And actually, I heard a great example of this, which is that, but it was on the issue of mass, but it's sort of a great comparison, which is people see this stuff as nothing important other than a social status, right?
Sort of a social virtue.
And I think that's what you see these kids doing.
It's like once people got on board to attack me.
And once it was popular to attack me, then you see a bunch of other kids getting on board with this stuff.
These kids don't know politics.
They don't know what they're talking about, you know, but they just know it's what these other kids are doing.
And they'll get more popular.
They'll get these positive comments, like people saying, yes, slave queen.
Oh my God, you're amazing, Emily, right?
They want to seek that validation from their peers.
And this is how they can get it.
So it's just overall just sheet mentality.
And I think it goes deeper to a problem in my generation, which is, you know, because we live in sort of such like this progressive secular, you could say, society at this point, like in our history, right?
A lot of kids have a hard time really finding like deeper meaning and finding validation.
So they seek for shallow, just dumb ways to sort of feel like they're important.
And you see it in stuff like this.
For sure.
And it's always the Emily's that gets.
Not a lot of people are talking about or have continued to talk about this next subject and it's affirmative action, especially as it pertains to Asians, which I assume you are identifying as.
I actually identify as a black woman.
I'm glad we got that out in the open now.
That's fair.
That's fair.
And that's actually part of what I'm going to show next.
It actually has to do, and I know this happened in Harvard, so I want to get your thoughts on it about where you are, where it's grading Asian students on a curve when they're trying to get into college or university.
And you gave a speech about this at a rally last summer.
So I want to show a clip of that and give us the broader context after we see this.
But back then and a long time ago called 2012, seems like a long time ago to me, I was taught in school that it was wrong to treat people differently on the basis of their skin color.
So you can imagine.
So you can imagine my surprise when I got older and found out that I am discriminated against on the basis of my skin color and college admissions.
Why?
Because I'm Asian.
Wait, what?
So, okay, so my first approach, my first thought was the pragmatic thing.
Like, maybe how can I get around it?
So I was saying, thinking to myself, okay, so maybe I can pollute Elizabeth Warren, right?
I mean, hey, she's done pretty well for herself based off of lying to about her race to colleges.
Okay.
So, you know, maybe I'm one in 1024th Cherokee, too.
Okay, if that's what it takes to get a job at Harvard Law School and make a bunch of money, I think we're all one in 1024th related to Elizabeth Worth, right?
So I see you've memorized that joke now.
So what is the system in your district?
I noticed you did reference Harvard there.
How does the grading actually work?
Because when most people think of affirmative action, they think helping black people get into a school that normally couldn't afford.
I think that's how the layman would normally interpret that.
So how does the grading on a scale work against Asian applicants?
Well, you're talking about like college admissions, basically, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when you apply to every base, they technically say there's no racial quotas, but there clearly are.
When you apply to colleges and universities, and I would argue this is even just in blatant violation of 1964 Civil Rights Act, but most universities in America outright will say that we consider race and ethnicity as a factor in your admissions process.
And you notice that this never works out in the favor of Asians, right?
It hurts whites, obviously, but it actually hurts Asians the most.
And the core reason behind this is because Asians are called the inconvenient minority for a reason, right?
This Asians, as basically existence in Western society, debunk every argument of white privilege, white supremacy, white power structure, right?
Because you look at this, Asians are, despite being a minority group and a minority group historically that's not been treated well in America or in the West have the highest income out of any ethnic group, right?
They get the best SAT scores, best grades in school, right?
And so as a result of this, in the university system, Asians get treated the worst, right?
Because it's hard for us too, because we're such a small percentage of the U.S. population.
So they try to keep it low.
We got a quota like, because there's not a lot of Asians out there.
The thing is, when you look at who is scoring the best on all this stuff, most of the time it's Asians.
And so as a result, Asians just get the worst of all this, right?
Like they, we get everyone, right?
It's like 10 times harder.
I think there have been studies and research done, like Asians have to score 150 entire SAT to be treated the same as the blacks, right?
It's so we basically have to face straight up systemic racism in America, and yet none of us complain about it because as our parents always tell us, it's our fault that we fail.
What I'm confused about is how is it decided which Asians?
Because if you're taking somebody who's from Japan, that's a much richer country than a Loatian or somebody from Vietnam.
Are they classifying all Asians as one?
I mean, in the UK, they call people from the Middle East Asian sometimes.
Is there any denominations of type of Asian countries?
Or are we just again swathing people in an attempt to be un-racist?
We're now swathing an entire continent of people into one category.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, from my understanding, because when you apply to college, you just put down your race, right?
Not your ethnicity necessarily.
So usually just your race.
And so, yes, you're absolutely right.
In most cases, unless you have a specific question, but I don't think all schools do.
In most cases, Cambodian, right, who's someone who comes from a much poorer country than like some, you know, like you said, a South Korean or someone from Japan, right?
They ultimately get treated equally.
Yes.
And, you know, it's pretty racist when you think about it.
But the left does this a lot, if you notice.
They will lump entire races that are very actually diverse and different into one group.
Native American Mascots Controversy00:06:07
And you see this like, you know, with Native Americans, right?
Like you're talking about a very diverse group of people, so many different tribes basically across the country.
They all have these different cultures.
And yet you notice for the purpose of social justice, it's all lumped into this one singular conglomerate where like it's all the same.
And I guess the same thing is true of Asians, right?
They're all, you know what?
Since on average, they all make more money than the whites, let's all treat them the same.
Of course.
And you mentioned cultural appropriation there.
I want to get into that with you because this is something that you've been attacked for.
Again, it seems like you've been attacked for everything at this point and you're already so young.
Specifically, this was pertaining to sports mascots.
And you had a really good video about this, I thought.
And this comes close to home here in Canada.
And so I want to play that and then we'll maybe have a meeting of the minds on that.
Go ahead and play that one, Justin.
So I've been getting some heat about my video on the name Kansas City Chiefs.
This person says, well, no other race or ethnic group in their culture is culturally accepted as mascots.
But dude, literally, what are you talking about?
Minnesota Vikings, Boston Celtics, Dallas Cowboys, New Orleans Saints.
I'm surprised nobody has called this mascot racist yet, but it's probably because it's a white guy.
Oklahoma Sooners, UCSB Gauchos, UPenn Quakers, Louisiana Monroe Raging Cajuns, West Virginia Mountaineers.
If you want to consider Aztecs separately, San Diego State Aztecs.
And no, the name Chiefs is not mocking Native American culture.
Chiefs are people of power, wisdom, and strength.
It's a positive representation.
Nor is it different from any of these mascots.
You know, I was just writing down during that the ones that you didn't mention as a Washington Redskins, obviously now Washington football team.
Syracuse Orangemen had to change their team to orange.
And I completely forgot about all these college team names.
Now, what happened up here was there's a football team in the terrible, terrible Canadian football league called the Edmonton Eskimos.
And they actually changed their name recently because it was too offensive.
Their sponsor of their stadium thought it was offensive.
But when they pulled people who are Inuits, so natives from like the really cold climates in Canada, 78% of them were against the name change.
And when they created the name, the Edmonton Eskimos, it was actually in conjunction with the very tribe that they were naming it after them.
So they've had a close relationship with that same tribe.
My question to you is, what is the reaction from people when you point out that there's, geez, 50 other teams for about other ethnicities, and then they're complaining about the Kansas City Chiefs or the Redskins?
They always try to make some type of excuse for it.
So let's go over some of the excuses they make.
Number one, they'll say things like, well, the Knights are not an ethnic group.
And my response to that is the Chiefs are not an ethnic group either, right?
Like, because they said these things.
Like, you said Knights, Trojans.
Those are cowboys.
Those are not racist.
Those are not ethnic groups.
I'm like, dude, Kansas City Chiefs is the same thing.
It's a role in Native American society that some people held and it's kind of like a cultural reference, right?
Same story, same exact story with Knights.
That's a role traditionally that was held in past European white societies that is a cultural reference.
That's one thing.
The other thing is they tell me that I have just no authority whatsoever to speak on the issue of Native American issues because I'm not Native American, to which my response is actually one in 1024th Native American.
Okay.
And my evidence to that is my grandma told me I had high cheekbones and I published a pow wow chow cookbook, right?
Did Elizabeth Warren have a native cookbook or was that did you make that up?
No, that is that is that is actually something.
Oh my god, we're gonna have to put that up on screen.
You can google that.
And then, you know, another argument, I guess, I hear is that it's offensive, right?
It's an offensive appropriation.
I'm like, I guess I can kind of understand the Redskins, although I'm against changing any of those names because literally once they start realizing they have the power to change names, they're going to change everything.
And I'd rather not.
But you're talking about chiefs here.
You know, that is a positive representation.
Chiefs are the leaders of these societies.
Chiefs are, you know, people of power and wisdom and strength.
How much better can you get than that?
I mean, I don't understand what these people really want.
And I think you made a great point about the, was it the Edmonton Eskimos?
Same story down here.
We have the Florida State Seminoles.
And that is actually, you know, the Seminole tribe actually like works with Florida State University.
And I think their mascot is like an actual person from the tribe.
And I guarantee you it's not going to matter because woke white suburban liberals from California, you know, but they know better.
They know what's best for the Seminoles, right?
Not the Seminoles themselves.
They are the saviors.
In fact, that happened in my high school.
Our high school mascot was we were the Redmen.
We had to vote to change it and we became the Golden Knights.
So it's pretty accurate to exactly what you referenced there.
Shout out to my high school O'Neill.
But you know, this is the thing is that they're basically setting the standard now that only white cultural references and white people can be represented by mascots.
So these are people who always cry that minorities are underrepresented in culture.
And yet at every turn where they try to represent minorities and minority cultures in mainstream culture, they get mad at it.
So if we're going to take them all out, then what's going to happen?
Only white cultures are represented in the culture.
And that's, I thought that was the opposite of what they want.
But I think that appears to be the plan, if you will, for things like Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.
So, I mean, Aunt Jemima was a celebrated individual who was one of the first black millionaires in the United States.
Masking Truths00:07:19
She was like an actress and a spokesperson for a lot of different things.
And all of a sudden, you're erasing her from history so that you can feel better about a syrup bottle.
It doesn't seem to make any sense.
And I think that there might be something more to that argument.
I want to play a video of you posing as a feminist.
You're wearing the pink pussy hat at a rally.
I think you were in fleckest or slightly offensive as video before people knew that you were pretending it.
So let's play the clip of him asking people's questions where you're basically saying whatever you want to this person.
They believe it.
Let's see what type of crazy crap we could get feminists to believe.
And lastly, did you know that President Trump and Republicans are currently considering a bill that basically overturned the Equal Pay Act and sort of allow men to be paid more than women if they want?
Like, what is your opinion on that?
That's sick.
And that's twisted.
And I don't understand why, I'm going to use you as an example.
Why this would be better than this, or this would be superior.
I did.
I'm sorry.
So, you posed as a feminist, obviously worked pretty well.
How is it?
Was it easy to come up with these talking points to just like, it looks like you came up with that at that exact moment.
Is it easy to come up with these talking points and have people believe it?
No, it's incredibly easy because they'll believe anything.
And I think it just goes to show you, because that doesn't even make any sense.
Like you could tell, I had absolutely no idea what I was even saying or talking about.
But, you know, they will basically believe anything that sounds kind of woke.
And you see this with the slide post too.
Like I've, the reason I tried to start, you, I think you mentioned earlier with my satire account, right?
Yeah, we'll get to that in a second.
Yeah, but the reason I tried to start that was because I saw so many people that I knew that were genuine leftists actually sharing slide posts that, and I was like, how can anyone be this dumb?
I mean, it just, like, it just got more and more ridiculous.
And I can't remember exactly what they were saying, but I just remember I was like, now you're trying to cancel like the English language and stuff like that.
I was like, holy.
So then I was like, okay, screw this.
These people will get on board with anything so long as it sounds woke, right?
Like, so I was like, you know what?
Let's just see how far we can push this.
Yeah, let's bring up the first one there, Justin.
And this particular one, why you should let your girlfriend cheat on you at Progressive Vince.
That's your progressive page.
This one actually got sent to me by a friend of mine.
And what ended up happening was a couple of days later, I sent it to somebody else.
I knew about it already, but I sent it to somebody else.
And they said, somebody sent me this earlier today.
And we were talking about how stupid it is.
So your pretending to be progressive has actually gone full circle where people are now, I mean, I'm sure there's people who are believing it for some reason, but there's actually, it's causing the right wing rage against the wokeness too.
Now, do you think that's a problem too?
Is the, let's call it a right-wing virtue signal where it's just an overreaction?
Or should we be paying close attention to this stuff?
Or should we just be letting progressive Vince be and ignoring it?
So I think the problem is when right-wingers can't distinguish whether or not it's satire in that sense, because it's kind of like, come on, man.
But at the same time, this is actually a genuine thing.
I'm pretty sure I've seen in some BuzzFeed article where they're saying like being a cuck is like empowering or whatever the heck, right?
So maybe that it's not so like crazy that I think you could tell by some of the writing in the post, like some of the things actually said in that post where like, you know, I'm just messing around.
But I think that I've genuinely seen people say this.
But to respond, no, I don't think so, because right-wingers have to push back at some point.
And we've sort of let this run for decades where the woke progressive left just tears over our culture and keeps pushing more and more.
And I've seen this happen firsthand.
Like in 2020, I've seen this happen firsthand where some crazy fringe idea that it just seems ridiculous.
And who the hell would actually believe that?
Next thing you know, like it's actually mainstream and like people are actually doing this and people actually saying this.
So I think it's easy to ridicule stuff like this, like saying it's just stupid.
But I also realize that if you don't push back on stuff while it's small, it just gets big because you just don't, it's like a tumor that you don't remove, right?
While it's still small, it just keeps growing and growing and more stupid people keep buying into it.
So I would say I actually think it's time that the right at least pushed back against something.
And if it's going to be that, then it's going to be that.
Now, I've experimented with this inspired by you, of course.
And I had Sidney Watson shit out to her.
She's a YouTuber.
She actually had to tell me to stop because I would, whatever she posted of, I would just say the, like you, just the most progressive thing, like, oh, these people are killing grandmas and you shouldn't go grocery shopping.
And the replies were just out of this world.
I don't think I've ever had so many replies.
So it works.
I think it's effective in both directions.
And I implore you to keep doing it.
I wanted to show one more, Justin, why you should wear a mask on Zoom calls.
What was the explanation for that?
I believe, by the way, this one is not actually that satire because there was a real company in Tennessee that asked their employees to do this by, so that's actually where I got the idea from.
But the argument was that I think I said that you have to set an example to other people because there are so many evil anti-mask grandma killer Hitler Nazis in society that I basically said.
You have to wear a mask even on Zoom calls.
You have to be seen with a mask on everything to promote masks to others, right?
So it's just the ultimate virtue signal.
But this was actually, I don't know if you heard this, but there was a genuine company in Tennessee that said exactly this.
They said, please wear a mask on Zoom meetings for our company because we need to set an example to the rest of society of how important it is to wear masks.
So it's just a social conditioning thing, you know, like you have to, once you see everyone with masks, you think it's normal.
But this was, that one was actually not big.
It's all true, my friend, with this world we're living, the world we're living in.
So that's the progressive Vince on Instagram.
His real, his real as you want to call it, is the Vince Dow on Instagram and Twitter.
And of course, Vince Dow on YouTube.
Thanks for joining me, Vince.
I will always support you.
So if you need anything ever, I got you up here from Canada.
Final words, last message to you?
I just want to say if you want to see some epic content, you guys should subscribe to my YouTube channel, Vince Dow.
And I'll see you there and hopefully get some Canadians, Canadians in this.