Joe Biden’s presidency could slash Alberta’s oil exports by killing Keystone XL, while Sheila Gunn-Reed warns of $6B+ energy sector losses and 20%+ electricity price hikes from carbon taxes and anti-fossil fuel policies. Dr. Jay Lair argues Biden’s Paris Accord return and Iran nuclear deal revival will fuel Republican gains in 2022, comparing radical environmentalism to Soviet-era energy control, predicting California-style blackouts from EV mandates and renewable reliance. Both agree the Green New Deal’s push for EVs—luxury car subsidies with cold-weather failures—is economically reckless, risking backlash that may cripple Democratic ambitions rather than advancing climate goals. [Automatically generated summary]
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What will a Biden presidency mean for the energy sector and the price of energy in the United States?
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
It's looking more and more every day like Joe Biden will be the President of the United States.
Now, Joe Biden has said that he is not for the Green New Deal, but then he had the Green New Deal listed on his website.
I think Joe Biden will do whatever the puppet masters behind him tell him to do.
But his VP choice says a lot about his intentions.
Kamala Harris is a radical environmentalist who is an avowed supporter of the Green New Deal.
She's anti-oil and gas.
She's anti-fossil fuel.
And I suspect our American friends are looking down the barrel of a brand new carbon tax.
But that's all just speculation.
What I do know as a Canadian and as an Albertan is that Joe Biden has said that he's against the Keystone XL pipeline, which makes my problems with a Biden-Harris administration a little bit personal because that is Alberta's only hope for an export pipeline to Tidewater.
Now, joining me tonight to discuss all these issues and more is Dr. Jay Lair.
He's a senior policy analyst with the International Climate Science Coalition.
He's a former science director of the Heartland Institute.
And unlike a lot of people having these discussions, he's also an actual scientist.
So joining me now in an interview we recorded earlier is Dr. Jay Lair.
Joining me now from his home in Ohio is Jay Lair.
Jay is the senior policy analyst with the International Climate Science Coalition, and he's the former science director of the Heartland Institute.
And unlike a lot of the people opining on climate change these days, he's actually an internationally renowned scientist, speaker, and author who has testified before Congress.
Thank you so much for taking the time for this interview today, Jay.
Now, I wanted to have you on because you have written a very compelling article at America Out Loud is where people can find most of your work, most of your written articles, not most of your work.
I suspect you're working hard every single day fighting for freedom and dispelling myths about climate change.
But you have a very compelling article titled Joe Biden's Multi-Trillion Dollar Clean Energy Revolution Joke.
Biden, throughout his campaign, sort of denied his links to AOC's Green New Deal, but it was right on his website the whole time, if anyone was interested in looking.
Yes, Sheila, he definitely is tied into the Green New Deal.
But the Green New Deal is ridiculous.
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It can never happen.
And it has everybody up in arms that the Biden administration, we don't even know whose administration it is.
They're puppet masters behind him and Kamala Harris.
And it doesn't matter whether he's president or she's president.
The point is their presidency, a socialist administration.
But it really doesn't worry me because, you know, there's an expression, give him enough rope to hang himself.
Sheila, that's exactly what's going to happen in the next two years.
The Democrat Socialist Party is going to have all the rope in the world to hang themselves.
And the rank and file of people in America who sadly may have voted for Biden, although surely at least 10 million of them were voting because they hate Trump, they will find out very quickly that nothing, the candidate they voted for, nothing good will come of it.
Everything he does will be an absolute disaster.
He can't, in my opinion, in two years, that group cannot do enough damage.
They'll do more damage to their party.
And in the 2022 election, the United States will clearly elect a majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives.
So he's not going to have the House of Representatives after two years.
He's not going to have the Senate from the beginning, the election in Georgia on January 5th and 6th, that there are two candidates up.
He can't possibly win both.
So the Republicans will keep a slim majority of 5149 or 5248, which will block what he can do.
The kind of things a president can do is he'll rejoin the Paris Accord and give them billions of dollars.
That's going to make people mad.
He might rejoin the Iran nuclear deal, and that's going to get people mad.
He'll open the borders to Mexico, and a couple million people in the next two years will come in.
And most of them, if they're allowed to vote, would vote Democratic.
But there really isn't enough that's going to alter the United States, and they can't put a Green New Deal in place.
The Green New Deal says, oh, no more fossil fuel, no coal, no natural gas, no oil, have electric cars.
These are fine things to write about and talk about, but they take years to accomplish.
If you read all the things they write, they say what's going to be done by 2025, by 2030, by 2035.
They're going to be long gone by then.
So it's very limited of what they can do.
His plan is indeed a joke, as Tom Harris and I said on America Out Loud.
The Green New Deal is a joke.
It can't be done.
You cannot run either our economy in the United States or yours in Canada on wind and solar.
It can't be done.
And everybody little by little will realize what a joke it is.
You know, Jay, I appreciate so much your optimism there because you and I were talking off camera and you said, well, you had a completely different opinion of what the future would bring because of Biden than I. Because as in Alberton, which I describe to you as Canada's Texas, our anti-oil prime minister, Justin Trudeau, I mean,
he likes to position himself as the leader of the global anti-Trump cabal, really.
He has put a lot of regulations and roadblocks in place to the development of Western Canadian oil and gas.
He's basically landlocked us.
And so for a lot of us in Alberta, including the small town that is the terminus of the Keystone XL pipeline, we were really rooting for Donald Trump, despite what the media will tell you about how Canadians are so anti-Trump.
That's not the case here because he is a pro-energy and pro-energy independence president, and he didn't leave us behind in that.
But for us, it was very scary because Biden said, and he campaigned on it, that he will cancel the Keystone XL pipeline.
And for us right now, that's really our only export pipeline to Tidewater.
But you take a completely different position.
So I'm very happy to hear that.
Well, Trudeau has had a few years advantage in making life difficult for the fossil fuel industry in Canada.
It's clear that Biden will attempt to do all the kinds of things that Trudeau has done.
And the oil and gas industry will certainly hate him for two years.
And they will throw, there are obstacles that will be thrown in their way.
So there will be some damage, but it's just not going to be permanent damage.
You know, you're pointing out the Keystone pipeline.
That could be one of the worst things he does.
But again, he can just hold it up for a year or two.
When he loses the House, which he will, there's no chance.
Think about the fact that the Democrats said they were going to pick up a dozen seats in the House.
They didn't pick up one.
They lost a dozen.
Their majority is very slim.
I'll bet all the tea in China that the Republicans will take back the House in 2022.
And they will keep the Senate now and they'll keep it in 2022.
Even if they lost the Senate, they'd get it back in 22.
Because everything this administration does is going to be impeding the economy, just as Trudeau is doing the same thing in Canada.
So he will not do a single thing that will make anybody happy in this country.
So 10 million people that voted for him because they hated Trump will gravitate right back to the right side, get their heads straight.
And the question is that all the people that say, oh, I'm overly optimistic, I'm crazy, it's going to be terrible.
It isn't going to be good.
But the amount of damage he can do in two years, and I only give him two years because once he loses the House, he doesn't have a House in the Senate.
He's really limited in the damage.
I think it's minimal.
I think he'll do more damage to the Democrat Socialist Party than he will do to the country.
I think he might destroy the party.
In four years, they'll lose by a landslide.
Could you tell me a single thing he might do that's going to make the people in the United States happy?
Now, forget about the 40% liberal radicals that want to live under socialism.
The 60% that do not are not going to be happy with anything he does.
Well, and I do appreciate your perspective because you are in Ohio.
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You're in coal country.
You're in fracking country.
And so you do sort of have your finger on the pulse of these issues.
Now, another thing I wanted to talk to you about is one of your other more recent articles over at America Out Loud.
And it details, I suppose, the hubris of humanity, doesn't it?
That, you know, the article is titled Human Puppeteers Calling the Shots for Mother Nature.
And, you know, it is about this hubris that we think that we can control this thing that we live on just like every other creature on the face of the earth.
Yes, it really is absolutely absurd.
The choice of man-caused global warming as the fraud they launched to take over the government of the world was a strange one in my eyes because it's so absolutely ridiculous.
But when you own the media and everything people read and hear and see is about it and they have little science training, they actually think man has the ability to control the thermostat of the earth.
We have zero capacity to do that.
And the whole idea of blaming everything on man's carbon dioxide, which makes up like a tenth of a percent of the entire atmosphere, was intended to control all energy, to control the number of children you have, because that's we exhale carbon dioxide.
So energy controls the world.
And if you blame it all on carbon dioxide, you need the UN to be in charge of everything.
One country doesn't make much difference.
So the whole world has to be in sync.
You have a more powerful UN and ultimately a one world government.
That's what they're looking at.
But one of the things about them is they're really not dumb.
The leaders of the whole program know we cannot run our economy on wind and solar.
In fact, they know well if we get rid of fossil fuel, energy will have to be rationed.
That's exactly what they want.
If you ration energy to the entire country, to all industries, to all people, you absolutely control society.
So that is really their goal.
It's evil, Sheila.
There's nothing, no other way to call it.
They are evil.
They know what they're doing.
And sadly, the rank and file population of both our countries don't understand the science.
You can imagine it drives me crazier than the average person.
I've spent my life in the science and they're launching lie after lie after lie.
So that's what I do.
I work seven days a week writing articles, publishing in numbers of places, explaining to people in different ways that man has zero impact on the temperature of our plan.
You know, there's a line in, or two or three lines in a paragraph that you've written here, and it reads, radical environmentalists are not interested in taking over a single country or even many.
Ruling the whole world is their only goal.
So an all-powerful United Nations and completely a one-world government is their path to success.
Practically no vehicle other than climate change has a chance at achieving this.
After all, the climate is everywhere on Earth.
And for the environmental communist movement to succeed, everywhere on Earth must be controlled.
And, you know, when I read that, it reminded me of, you know, East Germany.
And you had to capture everybody because communism doesn't work if people can leave.
And so you can't confine people to their countries anymore, but we are all confined to the Earth.
So naturally, the next step, if you want communism, you've got to control everything, the entire face of the earth.
And as you rightly point out, the only existential threat the left wants us to believe is truly out there.
It's global warming.
It's perfect for them.
Your analogy to East Germany is absolutely excellent.
That is what they want is total control.
And actually, environmentalism is the new communism.
When the wall came down in East Germany and when the Soviet Union failed, Mr. Gorbachev left power in the Soviet Union and started a new environmental organization.
And he was smart enough to realize that if you put the environment ahead of mankind and you create falsehoods of bad things happening to the environment and tell people it's just immoral to treat the environment badly, you get the control that you just described, Sheila.
So environmentalism, radical environmentalism, is truly the new communism.
It saved communism, and that's really what they're after.
And Gorbachev knew that when he left office.
Now, certainly there are good people working to protect the environment.
I have a PhD basically in environmental science and I have worked to protect our environment.
I helped write the seven safety net bills in the United States back in the 70s that protect our air, our water, our soil, our waste disposal, our agriculture, and so on.
We're really all positive environmentalists, but the leadership of the radical organizations really are communists at heart, and they want world domination.
And you said it correctly, they have to control all people.
There can't be people allowed to go their own way.
And the novel 1984 and Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, they are evil.
We're in a battle of good versus evil, and we know which side we're on.
It truly is.
And you cannot have, I mean, this is the one way that they capture everybody.
You can't bleed off non-believers if we're all trapped on the same earth.
It's actually quite clever of the environmental left.
And I say the environmental left, but they are just the radical left.
Environmentalism is the veneer that they put over it so that everybody finds it benign, like they're saving the planet.
Now, I wanted to talk to you about another article that you've written.
It's a little while back, November 11th.
And you suggested under a Biden administration, get ready for nationwide blackouts.
I guess when we vote, and when I say we, I mean not even Canadians, of course, we can't vote in your elections, but when society votes for people who want to replicate what's happening in California, environmentally speaking through regulations, of course, you're going to get California-style rolling brownouts.
No question about it.
California is way ahead of the rest of the country.
They're the model of terribleness for energy in the United States.
And they're down to one nuclear power plant.
They're going to shut down in 2024.
They're eliminating all coal-fired plants.
And they're making life difficult for natural gas.
And they're requiring wind and solar as part of every electrical supply system in the country.
They're even not buying energy.
They're way short of energy.
They have to import a lot of it.
And they won't even buy energy that's produced across their border by coal.
So they're making life more and more difficult for their citizens.
And they are already having rolling brownouts and blackouts.
And they are the model of what will happen to the rest of the country if we were to follow suit.
And that's what Biden's plan clearly ultimately is to get rid of all fossil fuels and revert to wind and solar.
He's not smart enough to know it's a failure, but the people behind him are smart enough to know you cannot do it, but they want it done because they want to take control and ration energy in every way in the United States.
So we're really, I'm very happy that California is doing what they're doing because anybody with half a brain will see if they follow California's plan, they'll be in the same shape.
Well, Biden wants the whole thing to happen in the United States.
And again, I go back to the fact that he will not have enough time in office or the people that are pulling the strings on his puppet are not going to have enough time to really make an inroad into our whole energy system.
They're going to hurt the economy, but it won't really be a disaster.
I expect gasoline prices to go up 50 cents as he promotes electric cars and so on.
But again, I just look at things very practically, and you're limited in how much damage you can do in a short period of time.
Yeah, I think Americans might want to hunker down for an expensive carbon tax because we got one here when we had our radical environmentalist leader take control of our country.
And now we're getting another one and they're calling it the clean fuel standard because we don't know that that's just not code for carbon tax 2.0.
Now, you've written another article that this is something that is on my radar quite a bit because I think it is so ridiculous for governments and normal people because governments don't actually have any of their own money.
It all comes from normal people.
Rich people, they can move their money around.
They can afford expensive tax attorneys.
But normal people like you and I, we can't do that.
And so I always watch how governments treat electric vehicles because it is the ultimate virtue signaling.
It is taking money from normal people to subsidize the luxury novelty vehicles of rich people.
And Joe Biden, like all the other far-leftist politicians before him, thinks that forcing taxpayers to pay for, what is it here?
It's some enormous amount of, oh my goodness, half a million new public charging outlets by the end of 2030.
So creating an entire, I guess, fuel station system for cars that nobody wants to buy unless you pay them to buy it.
Well, Sheila, I couldn't say it any better than you.
But again, you said a half a million charging systems by 2030.
He's going to be long gone before 2030.
They don't have time to do that.
Electric vehicles, the whole industry would shrink if they weren't working on so many government subsidies.
And that indeed is one of Biden's desires.
It's clearly the case in California.
They want to outlaw the internal combustion engine by 2035.
It isn't going to happen.
And people, electric car prices are not going to come down equal to normal car prices.
And a quarter of the population couldn't conceivably afford them.
And if you really start looking at the problems with a lot of electric cars, it means you're going to have a lot older, safer cars on the road because people aren't going to be able to trade their cars in for the electric vehicle.
So it's a terrible idea on all levels.
There's nothing wrong with an electric car if you can afford them and you have a charging station near.
And if they work in your climate, they don't work here.
They don't work too well in cold climates, right?
The mileage that you get, the fear of running out of power is a heck of a bigger problem in cold climates than in hot climates.
And, you know, Elon Musk has done an amazing sales job doing with Tesla.
The price of Tesla is like monopoly money.
It has no relation to reality.
So electric cars are another one of the crazy ideas linked to the Green New Deal.
And there again, my optimism is let him do all those things.
It's just going to end his term in office.
I think it's going to end the Democrat Socialist Party.
Oh, Jay, from your lips to God's ears.
Jay, I could take up all your time, but that is not the deal we agreed to when we had this interview.
Exciting Work Educating Public00:03:48
Jay, why don't you tell us where people can find some of the work that you do and support it, share it, spread the message?
Well, I work with Tom Harris, and we write an essay published on American Out Loud every single week of the year.
I do a lot of radio shows with them.
And Tom has a website.
Our website is International Climate Science Coalition.
A lot of stuff is there.
But I write independently as well on a website called CFACT.org, C-F-A-C-T, Committee for Constructive Tomorrow.
And I write essays every week.
And the neat thing in both places, all my work is archived.
If you went to cfact.org, I've written 100 articles in the last two years there on every subject you would be interested in relating to energy and climate.
And if you just go to find one of my articles and you click on my name, a string of everything I've written will come up.
You got to wait while they reload each page.
But one of the fun things I do when somebody asks me for something I've written, I send them everything.
Of course, they won't have to read it all.
Just find a title you like, click on it, and read it.
But the most exciting thing about my work the last two years, Sheila, is there is not a day goes by that I'm not published somewhere in the world.
And Tom Harris deserves most of the credit for that.
He knows how to work getting stuff out to the right people and finding it for me.
But I'm translated into German, Chinese, Spanish, Italian.
It's very exciting.
And I work, I'm 84 years old.
I'm an Ironman triathlete.
Still play all sports.
People don't believe that, but it's true.
I heat my house with wood.
But I work five hours a day, seven days a week.
And my goal is to educate the public.
And if every article I read, you know, lands on the head of three or four people who now realize what a fraud man-cause climate change is, that was a good day's work.
Well, that's quite inspirational that you're working so hard still when so many people are just enjoying their golden years.
Jay, thanks so much for coming on the show.
I'll have you back on again real soon.
And yeah, Tom Harris is a great friend of Rebel News, and so was Mark Murano over at CFACT.
So, you know, a good bunch of guys, including yourself, working hard to just tell the other side of the story.
We appreciate that so much.
Well, Sheila, you're doing as much as all of us.
Your program is great.
You bring the right people on and you really understand analyzing your questions are fabulous.
So your audience is getting their money.
It's worth watching your show.
It's fabulous.
Great.
Thanks, Jay.
Happy holidays.
Merry Christmas to you.
too.
I'm pleased with Dr. Lair's optimism going forward despite what I think is probably going to be at least two years of catastrophe in the United States energy sector.
And as a Canadian, I'm very worried too, because I think Justin Trudeau is going to be emboldened by having a Biden-Harris administration in the White House.
Only time will tell, but I suspect things are going to go from bad to worse, to worse than we could ever imagine in the Canadian energy sector.
And I hope that I am wrong for everybody's sake.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.