Alex Newman, a skeptical journalist from The New American, challenges mainstream media narratives like CNN’s portrayal of Florida as a "coronavirus wasteland," citing low hospitalization rates under DeSantis despite expanded testing. He argues antibody misreporting fuels hysteria and compares Florida’s approach to Sweden’s, questioning lockdown efficacy. The episode also critiques progressive movements—Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and the Sunrise Movement—for Marxist ties and funding from Soros and Rockefeller, while exposing conservative shifts toward climate policies and gender ideology. Gunn-Reed highlights Canada’s racism training and Planned Parenthood’s eugenics history, urging listeners to bypass media bias through independent research. Both stress self-sufficiency amid growing government overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
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Is everybody dead in Florida and everybody just skipping, singing, dancing, and completely cured of the coronavirus in New York State?
Well, if you listen to CNN, you might get that impression.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
Stream media seems to think or want you to believe that Florida is a coronavirus zombie wasteland.
If you Google Florida coronavirus, you're going to see story after story about how that conservative state didn't go into full lockdown and made a huge mistake by not going into full lockdown.
And you're going to hear about the surge in positive coronavirus test results.
But testing positive is not the same as being hospitalized or dying of that Chinese disease.
For example, just a few days ago, the statewide deaths in Florida of the coronavirus were about 4,300.
New York State, 23,000.
And for context, the state of Florida has about 2 million more people than the state of New York.
Florida's problem, though, as I mentioned earlier, is that they're conservative and they didn't go into lockdown.
So they're not going to get fair treatment from the Karens at CNN, MSNBC, or CBC here in Canada.
But I've got a friend in Florida who's going to come on the show today to tell us the other side of the story about the coronavirus pandemic in Florida.
Joining me tonight in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon is Alex Newman from the New American magazine to talk about the coronavirus, how dumbing down our education system with this social justice nonsense only serves to benefit China, the Christian roots of American independence, and what Alex really thinks is behind the rioting in the United States.
Joining me now from his home in Florida is Alex Newman.
He's the foreign correspondent with the New American magazine, but he also hosts a show on the New American called Behind the Deep State, which I think is fantastic.
Alex, thanks for joining me.
Now, you're in Florida, and we didn't, I didn't say I was going to ask you about this off-air, but I want to ask you about this because Don Lemon on CNN told me that everyone in Florida is dead because of Ron DeSantis and how he hi how he handled the coronavirus.
But apparently you're still alive.
Please tell us how that works.
Yeah, to quote Mark Twain, the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated.
In fact, Florida is pretty much operating as normal.
You know, I was at church on Sunday and it was packed and the pastor was preaching about, oh my goodness, everybody in the church needs to not worry about dying from coronavirus.
You know, and the media is absolutely, you know, this better than anybody.
The media in America and in Canada are an absolute disgrace.
They're heckling our governor now, trying to shame him into locking down the state.
But no, I mean, everything's fine here.
We still don't know anybody with coronavirus.
I mean, you know, we're not dropping like flies, I can assure you.
Yeah, it's funny how Ron DeSantis is treated versus Governor Cuomo.
You know, and Governor Cuomo, for, you know, all measurable factors, he's been a disaster handling this.
Floridians, your lives seem to be kind of unaffected.
And, you know, sure, you're seeing more people test positive, but that's because you're testing more people.
And really, it's not reflected in your hospitalization and death rates way.
That's right.
Our death rates are actually way down.
You know, there's a lot of fishy stuff going on with the testing.
There's different testing companies.
There's different methodologies.
Some of them are testing for antibodies.
So, you know, it might have been somebody that had it in March and just now they're showing the antibodies.
They're like, oh, my goodness, a new case.
No, it's not a new case.
That person had it in March.
So, you know, it's a lot of hysteria.
I think one of the big goals is to lock the economy down again.
It almost feels like psychological terrorism.
You know, one of the things that some of the more brutal governments do to terrorize people and torture people is completely isolate them.
So don't see anybody.
And, you know, if you don't have a big family like me or nice neighbors and a nice church, you can imagine a single old lady at home just totally isolated, feels like she can't go out.
I mean, imagine the psychological damage that does to people.
And we are seeing that reflected.
I mean, we're seeing a massive increase in suicides, drug overdoses, people drinking themselves to death.
You know, the psychological effects of this are going to be horrendous.
The economic effects are going to be a cataclysm if we're lucky.
And, you know, this is not going well.
We just saw, of course, the governor of California re-shut down all sorts of things, you know, churches, movie theaters, restaurants, bars, schools.
So it's a crazy, crazy time, Sheila.
I know you guys are dealing with it up in Canada too, but the damage being done by these lockdowns, I think, is going to make the coronavirus actually look very mild in comparison.
Yeah, I've been lucky.
My premier here in Alberta, he's a conservative.
Although our conservatives are never quite as conservative as your conservatives, but he's been pretty adamant about reopening the economy.
And so we're reopening a lot faster than the rest of the country.
And again, just trying to stave off some of that economic and psychological damage to the country.
And my concern is the longer this goes on, the more the new normal just becomes the normal, this relying on the government for a paycheck, for survival, for sustenance.
This is being normalized when it was something that, you know, was a last ditch resort.
We have like 30% in some instances of the population relying on the government right now just to keep a roof over their head.
Yeah.
And, you know, the situation is similar in the United States.
We've had 50 million people lose their jobs over the last few months as a result of these lockdowns and the government stepping in and making up their full paycheck plus a little bonus on top.
So it kind of masking the economic cataclysm that's bubbling up under the surface.
But at some point, reality is going to set in.
These trillions of dollars they've been printing are going to cause massive damage.
I mean, we are facing some very serious problems.
And, you know, as far as I'm concerned, there's really no upside to this.
I think several of the times that I've been on your show, Sheila, I've been in Sweden.
You know, that's one of our homes.
I've spent many, many years living there.
And they get almost everything wrong.
You know, God bless the Swedes.
But on this thing, they finally got something right.
They said, no, we're not going to go through lockdowns.
We're not having social distancing.
We're not going to shut down our economy.
Kids can still go to school.
I mean, you walk through downtown Stockholm and it's like nothing's going on.
And guess what?
They're doing fine.
In fact, they're doing a lot better than a lot of the countries that locked everything down.
So the idea that we're going to, and also it's interesting, you know, when this first started, oh, we just got to flatten the curve so that we don't overload the hospitals just to be two weeks.
That's right.
And then two weeks came and went, oh, no, you know, forget about flattening the curve.
Now we just have to make sure nobody ever gets it.
It's so silly.
And you know how we can know that we're being deceived here, Sheila.
I think what we saw with the George Floyd death was just a perfect giveaway.
You know, one moment they're telling you literally on CNN, Don Lemon and some of these others, you're a murderer if you leave your house for any non-essential purpose.
How dare you go to church?
That makes you a murderer.
You don't care about granny.
And then like, I mean, it was just like they flipped a switch.
The next hour it was, oh my goodness, systemic racism.
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You are a racist if you don't go out and protest with thousands of other people.
Silence is violence as their new terms.
You have to be a protester.
I mean, it went from you're a murderer for being outside to if you don't go outside, you're a racist.
And a lot of the sheep, I guess 6% of the people still believe the media were like, oh, okay.
It's crazy, Sheila.
Yeah, we're seeing the same thing here.
I mean, we have our prominent politicians scolding people for going to the beach when just, you know, a couple of weeks ago, their people from their own party were speaking in crowds of 15,000 people in the capital city.
But, you know, heaven forbid those normal conservative voters from the central part of the province that they go to the closest thing we have to a nice beach around here.
It's, it's really, it's like we live in two different worlds.
Now, you mentioned the riots, and I wanted to talk to you about that because you have a really great article on the New American.
I cannot recommend it enough.
And you sort of go into what's really behind the riots.
It's not really what they say it is.
You're right, Sheila.
It's not.
Thank you for mentioning that.
It's our latest cover story in the New American magazine.
So subscribers would have gotten that over the last week or so, but the article is also online if people want to read it there.
And we kind of do a deep dive into what's going on here.
So we look at some of the groups that are involved.
We do a deep dive into Antifa, Black Lives Matter, the Sunrise Movement, which is kind of organizing the children, right, the middle school and the high school kids to come out.
And then we look at the funding sources for some of these organizations.
And surprise, it's the same old names we keep seeing again.
The Rockefeller Family Foundation, for example, is the largest financier of the Sunrise Movement, which was organizing a defund the police campaign long before George Floyd's death happened.
We've got George Soros.
Even before Black Lives Matter was an actual organization, we have hacked documents from 2015 from his Open Societies Foundations showing that they loved this idea.
They were actually putting $615,000 into training up leaders for this Black Lives Matter movement that they were planning.
And now we have the leaders of this organization openly coming out and telling us they're Marxists.
Patrice Couluar, one of the co-founders, she was on the Real News Network and she said, oh, yeah, we're highly trained Marxists and we're super well versed in ideological theories.
They're telling us to our faces that they're Marxist.
They want to dismantle the nuclear family.
And then if you disagree with them, oh, you don't think Black Lives Matter.
It's such a ridiculous trick that you'd have to be, you know, at a kindergarten level, not to be able to see through that or maybe working at CNN.
But that's where we are today.
It's crazy.
You know, that's a very sort of Greta Thunberg trick.
You know, they say, oh, you know, if you disagree with Greta Thunberg, somehow you have to be against, you know, kids and you have to be mean to kids.
It's the same sort of scam.
And, you know, there is this weird, bizarre focus on kids.
And at the New American, you have a really great interview that you did with Bruce Dietrich that talks about how basically American school children are being dumbed down.
And for me, as someone who focuses on China's imperialist goals, I think it's a terrible idea to be dumbing down future generations while China is excessively educating their kids in an attempt to take over the world.
You just hit the nail on the head, Sheila.
This is literally suicidal.
I mean, no nation in human history has ever been able to dumb down its population with a rising superpower where the top generals literally say they're going to nuke hundreds of our cities if we obey our treaty obligations and step in to help Taiwan.
And then meanwhile, in Seattle, our politicians are saying, oh, math is racist.
Math is a product of white supremacy.
You're like, okay, wait a minute here.
How in the world are we going to build bridges?
How are we going to build weapons?
How are we going to keep our military up if math is racist?
Right.
We're going to have to hire Chinese to come and do it because they actually learned math in school.
It is beyond insane.
It would be like a parody, a cartoon if the implications weren't so deadly serious.
Yeah, that reminds me of an email I got today from someone who works for the government agency of Statistics Canada, and they are being forced to undergo racism training, how to be a better ally.
And I'm like, you guys just count things.
Like that's what you do.
You count things.
How are the numbers racist?
And even if you were a racist working for Statistics Canada, which I can't imagine there are any.
I mean, the supply of racists doesn't really meet the demand these days.
But even if you were a racist working for Statistics Canada, how does that affect your work?
Like why do you have to undergo all this like extra training?
How would anybody know that you were sitting there just like thinking racist thoughts in your mind while you're crunching numbers?
It's not going to make a difference.
I mean, you're going to go to your training program and poof, no more racists, right?
It's crazy.
And actually, you know, in America, we have a similar situation, Sheila.
I mean, the actual problem, like, you know, we have some issues.
Planned Parenthood, for example, the largest killer of children in this country was founded by a lady who, by her own admission, wanted to get Negroes out of the gene pool, who thought colored people were like human weeds, who thought the most merciful thing a large family could do to one of its children was to kill it.
I mean, this is a psychopath.
She used to go give speeches to the KKK.
She inspired Adolf Hitler.
And here we are giving him $600 million a year, just at the federal level, to slaughter babies.
And they're setting up shop in the minority neighborhoods, you know, killing minorities all out of proportion of their numbers.
We have the Democrat Party.
You know, if we really want to dismantle systemic racism, there really isn't much except the Democrat Party.
It has a history from the start of supporting slavery, racism, racial terrorism.
I mean, Democrats founded the KKK, and yet they want to take down statues of people who fought in the Civil War to free slaves, right?
It's so obviously contrived that you really would have to be an ignoramus.
You would have to have been dumbed down for 12 years in a government school to be able to fall for this kind of stuff.
Yeah, it's just like Canada, where we have a man who did blackface at least three times, but he's really lost count lecturing the rest of us on systemic racism.
A lot of it is projection, I think.
Now, let's talk about something that you have an interview about, again, on the New American, with British film producer Mark Sutherland.
And it's about the state of conservatism in the UK.
And for me, as a Canadian, this really rang true for me because we have this sort of conservative party that, in a lot of instances, is conservative in name only.
They hold these ideals now that if you dial back just, you know, five, six, maybe 10 years ago, no conservative would adopt.
And you would accuse the liberals who held those beliefs of being absolute crazy people.
And yet, and yet that's the state of conservatism in much of the Commonwealth.
Yeah, and unfortunately, it's the same thing here.
We're just not quite as far advanced.
But I mean, you look at people like John F. Kennedy, who was a liberal in his day, JFK.
You know, he was a liberal.
Everybody knew he was a liberal.
He was a Democrat, a liberal Democrat.
And yet you go back and you look at the things he was saying.
Today, the media would say, oh my goodness, he's a right-wing fringe extremist kook.
We've got to stop him at all costs.
That's how fast these progressions are coming.
And you're right.
Even things that just a few years ago would have been outlandish liberal ideas are now slowly being adopted by the conservatives.
In America, you even have some Republicans who are starting to cave on the global warming scam.
So this has been an ongoing process over multiple generations.
And conservatives aren't actually conserving anything, right?
They're just moving along further and further.
We just keep moving the goalposts.
We see it in the UK.
We see it in Canada.
We see it in the United States.
We see it all over the West.
We see it in pretty much the entire world.
And obviously, this is being orchestrated.
It's not that just people wake up one day and they're more liberal.
Obviously, something is going on here behind the scenes that is moving the population in that direction.
It's a combination of, as Trump pointed out in his recent Independence Day speech at Mount Rushmore, the indoctrination taking place in our public schools.
He hit the nail on the head.
And the fake news.
They were gradually moving the population more and more toward, and not even liberalism.
I mean, it's totalitarian craziness.
These people want to teach kindergartners that they can start taking hormones and mutilate their genitals if they feel like they might have been born in the wrong body.
I mean, just two years ago, a liberal saying that would have been absolutely ridiculed.
People would have been disgusted.
And today it's kind of being normalized.
It's sick.
Well, yeah.
And if you said that in Canada, you'd be dragged before a human rights commission and your conservative party who claims to conserve things would be utterly silent on the issue.
Yeah, it's funny that The coronavirus, it could have gone two different ways, right?
Like it could have been like this is our chance to take back self-sufficiency, you know, that we don't, we can rely on a network of friends and family.
So we should probably learn how to grow our own food and we shouldn't live in cities right on top of each other, that people do best with a little space in between us.
Could have gone that way.
And I was sort of hoping that it would go that way because those that's really the solution to the, if this thing, if another pandemic ever comes our way, that's the way to prevent it from spreading and tearing through our society and causing it to shut down again if it tears through our society.
The shutdown will naturally come because that's what they want to do.
But in fact, it's going the other way, isn't it?
It's going towards more government control.
It's going towards more government reliance and more government meddling in your family.
And that makes me really sad because I feel like this might have been our moment in time.
Yeah, you're absolutely right, Sheila.
And there's a few silver linings that I see coming out of this.
One of the big ones is that in some districts, half of parents are considering pulling their children out of public school and just homeschooling them.
That would be an incredible boon to freedom and to the family and to the churches.
It would just be incredible.
But you're right.
And we are seeing a migration now out of the cities in the United States, especially after this rioting and the lockdowns.
People are trapped in like little broom closets masquerading as apartments.
Like, no, I'm not doing it anymore.
I want a house in the suburbs at least, maybe even a little farm.
And so that's encouraging.
But the reality is with this pandemic, they've been wargaming this for a very long time, Sheila.
I mean, the Rockefeller Foundation put out a report in 2010 where they talked about a hypothetical pandemic that might pop out of China.
And oh my goodness, the Chinese communist tyranny, it works so well to keep everybody safe.
And those dumb Americans with all their freedoms and all their rights.
And because of that, they're all in big trouble.
And they brag about, oh, people will be begging for more centralized control and we'll have takeovers of businesses.
We'll have digital global ID cards for all citizens.
I mean, they were telling us openly.
Even last year, Bill Gates and the World Economic Forum and the Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins University, they held this event 201 where they wargamed a novel coronavirus.
They were going to have to censor social media.
They were going to have to shut down what they described as misinformation in the media.
I mean, we're seeing it all come to pass.
They've been planning for this.
And they always do this.
Exploit anything for advancing tyranny, globalism, less freedom for you, more power for them.
You know, those Rockefellers, they really are a bit of a plague upon society and free society and a free people.
They've been funding the opposition to Canadian energy independence for the better part of the last 15 years.
And the damage they've done to the economy here in Western Canada has been catastrophic.
While, you know, their interests in the United States, they're perfectly fine to develop oil and gas there.
They're hobbling the Canadian economy and funding opposition to pipelines here.
And yet, you know, they're so entrenched in the left that when they like that's the real foreign meddling conspiracy, isn't it?
That these Democrat donors and Democrat supporters can meddle in the entire Canadian economy and shut down the economy of in Alberta, 4 million people, but nobody bats an eye.
It's all Putin, Putin, Putin.
Yeah, and we're dealing with the same problem here with the Rockefellers.
And it's not just the Rockefellers.
They're just like the obvious candidate.
But yeah, they made their fortune in oil and then they're telling us, oh, we got to shut down all the fossil fuel industry because of climate change.
And what they really mean is give us more money, give us more power.
You know, they were probably the largest financiers of systematic racism in human history.
They were funding eugenics.
They were funding Planned Parenthood.
They were funding Nazi pseudoscience, masquerading as racial science.
They were funding Joseph Mengele for crying out loud.
And here they are bankrolling anti-racist protests.
I mean, does anybody really believe the Rockefellers suddenly grew a conscience and now they're upset about racism?
Come on.
I mean, come on, let's not be gullible, folks.
The Rockefellers are part of this international network.
I've actually got a really important book behind me called Tragedy and Hope.
It was written by Bill Clinton's mentor, believe it or not, Carol Quigley, a guy from Georgetown University, a history professor.
And he actually explains in the book, he agrees with what these people are doing.
He calls it an international anglophile network that seeks to really create a world system that they control.
And what he says is the network operates very much in the way that the radical right, which basically means conservatives, believe the Communist Act.
And by the way, this network has no aversion to cooperating with communists and frequently does so, right?
And so you wonder, how can the Rockefellers be funding communist revolutionaries in the street?
That doesn't make any sense.
Oh, it makes perfect sense if you understand what the objective is.
Yeah, I don't even think that they have a real ideology.
Their ideology is control, be it through carbon tax.
Yeah, and money, be it through carbon taxes, you know, through, you know, making it cost more to run your car, to go places, to buy food, to re-educate you through counter-racism training.
Really, it's all about centralizing control for themselves at the top, and the rest of us are just the worker bees and the drones.
That's exactly, Sheila.
That's exactly the way they see us.
And, you know, they have big plans for us.
They've been openly talking about giving us all global IDs and mandatory vaccines.
And they want to herd us all into cities.
I mean, they're backing all these UN plans.
And David Rockefeller, the recently deceased patriarch of the family, I love that they're so honest.
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He actually wrote an autobiography.
It's called Memoirs.
It was published in 2004.
And if you go to page 405, he tells you everything.
He says, some even, this is almost an exact quote.
I might get a word wrong or two here.
But he says, some even believe that we, the Rockefeller family, are part of an international cabal, secretly conspiring against the best interests of our own country to form political and economic structure.
Yeah, we believe that.
And then he says, if that's the charge, I stand guilty and I'm proud of it.
The guy is proud that, in his words, he's a conspirator, conspiring with a secret cabal against the best interests of his own country.
I mean, how many admissions do we need before somebody starts looking into these foundations and what they're doing?
All that money, and he couldn't buy an original book title.
He just called it memoirs.
But, you know, I think they figured nobody's ever going to read it except their little buddies.
You know, and they know they've been using quackery in the schools.
Actually, Rockefeller, again, back in the early 1900s, they had a philanthropic organization called the General Education Board.
They put $3 million back when that was an insane amount of money into the pockets of a guy called John Dewey to set up an experimental school at the University of Chicago.
And they experimented again with this method of teaching reading.
We call it the whole word method.
And the kids who graduated from the school, including some of the Rockefeller kids, by the way, couldn't read or write when they got out.
Now, for the Rockefellers, that was okay because they could hire 10 secretaries who could do all their reading and writing.
But for us normal people, we kind of need to read to be able to get along in life.
And not that, you know, they saw that that happened and they didn't say, oh, that's terrible.
We should never do that again.
They said, that's perfect.
Let's spread that across the whole country.
And that's exactly what they did.
Holy sinister stuff.
Now, you have a great video that talks about the Christian roots of American independence.
And I think this is really phenomenal, especially now that you're talking about this, because we see so much of these Black Lives Matter protests.
They are anti-Christian.
It is churches being burned.
It's cathedrals being burned.
It's priests being attacked.
And nobody's really acknowledging that what they're trying to undo is America itself.
And to undo America itself, they really do.
have to attack its Christian roots.
They do.
And they're trying to systematically dismantle Christian civilization, which is really ironic because the reason humanity has progressed so far in terms of eradicating slavery, in terms of stopping racism, in terms of recognizing the fundamental, as our founding fathers called it, the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, that everyone is endowed by their creator with inalienable rights.
I mean, that's right in the Declaration of Independence for the United States.
The reason why slavery ended around the world was precisely because of the Christian principles that were enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.
Now, this history has been largely wiped out from the public school system.
Something like 80% of American children actually have this crazy idea that America invented slavery.
They don't realize that slavery has been ubiquitous from the time man has been on this planet.
The Chinese, the Romans, the Greeks, the Africans, the Arabs, they all practice slavery.
Almost every culture in human history has.
And then along come these American and British Christians relying on the Bible.
And they say, wait a minute here.
How could you enslave another person?
God says that enslaving a person is wrong and is evil.
And God doesn't talk about your inferiority.
I mean, that stuff actually came from Darwin.
If you read his book, The Origin of Species and the Survival of the Most Favored Races, that was really the pseudo-scientific foundation for racism.
And yet the Black Lives Matter people want to flip everything upside down.
They want to blame Christianity and America for racism and slavery when it's really exactly the opposite.
Yeah.
I mean, they really are overlooking the fact that Christians believe that all men are image bearers of Christ.
And so, you know, when they dismantle Christianity, they must ultimately dismantle that concept too.
And I don't think they're going to like how that works out for them.
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Alex, you've been very generous with your time.
How do people find the work that you do?
Because you do important work and you do sort of a bit of a, you have a bit of a rebel mission where you do tell the other side of the story.
Yeah, well, thank you so much for having me, Sheila.
It's always such a pleasure.
I love your show and I love your audience.
Best place to find my investigative articles is at thenewamerican.com.
Or, you know, if you want to subscribe to the print magazine, you can get that right at the website as well.
I do tons of other stuff as well.
I write for a lot of different publications, but the New American is where most of my work goes.
And then if people want to find more, you can just put my name into a search engine.
I write for Freedom Project, The Epoch Times, lots of different publications like that.
And thanks again for having me on the show, Sheila.
It's been wonderful, as always.
Oh, we're huge fans of the epoch times around here.
We love them.
Alex, thank you so much for coming on the show.
We'll talk again real soon.
Thanks so much, Sheila.
Today, the moral of the story is that we all need to do our own research.
The facts are out there.
Every journalist has their own bias and slant, including me, and of course, including Alex.
The difference is Alex and I admit it, but Rosie Barton at the CBC or Don Lemon or one of the other crones and scolds over at MSNBC, well, they want you to believe that they are completely, totally objective.
They aren't.
None of us are.
Some of us are just more honest about it than others.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.