Tommy Robinson’s release from HMP Belmarsh on September 13 after 66 days under civil contempt—while 29 convicted rapists faced no disruption—exposes double standards, with his £47.50/week privileges starkly contrasting violent offenders’ freedoms. Allegations of media bias, like the Daily Mirror’s false claims, and "counter-terrorism" mail censorship fueled outrage, revealing systemic harassment tied to his anti-"Islamification" reporting, including 84% British South Asian Muslim-linked grooming cases. His defiance persists: despite an upcoming October 18 football ban trial and three more court dates, Robinson vows to expose establishment complicity in Rape of Britain, a documentary delayed by past imprisonments, proving his fight against perceived judicial politicization—like Assange’s or Huntley’s—will continue unbroken. [Automatically generated summary]
It's September 13th, and this is the Ezra Levance Show.
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing that is because it's my bloody right to do so.
I'm coming to you from outside the prison in London, England, where Tommy Robinson has been incarcerated these past 66 days.
The prison is called HMP Belmarsh, but it's been nicknamed Britain's Guantanamo Bay.
This is where the unlawful enemy combatants, as terrorists are now called, were housed in the wake of 9-11.
In fact, there are many terrorists in here to this day, including one of the murderers of Lee Rigby, Michael Adabaleijo.
Some of the most notorious mass murderers are in here, and also a civil prisoner, our friend and former employee, Tommy Robinson.
Tommy was not convicted of a crime to put him in this place amongst the murderers and the terrorists.
He was found in civil contempt of court, a much lower standard and not a crime at all, actually.
I know you'll find this hard to believe, but he was found in contempt for merely standing outside the courthouse of a mass rape gang trial in Leeds a year and a half ago and simply asking the rape suspects as they walked into court on Judgment Day, asking them, quote, how do you feel about your trial today?
How do you feel about your case today?
He asked them this about three or four different suspects as they came in.
There were 29 people on trial that day.
All of them were convicted.
The trial was over.
The jury was rendering his verdict.
Tommy didn't swear at them.
He didn't block them.
He didn't threaten them.
He simply asked them, how do you feel about your trial today?
And for that, I was there at the Old Bailey prison.
Dame Vera Scott, the head of the Queen's Bench here in the UK, shockingly, laughingly, absurdly declared that to be contempt of court because it impeded and prejudiced the trial.
I'm not sure how that's possible, given that the trial was over and he did not impede anyone.
But unfortunately, that's the state of the UK these days.
So for that journalistic act, Tommy Robinson was put in this prison for 66 days.
Now we here at The Rebel are interested in Tommy for several reasons.
First of all, he's a personal friend.
And this came about because he was a former journalist with us who worked for us for about a year before he went out on his own.
But it's not just the personal ties, it's the fact that Tommy stands for two things that we stand for.
Number one, he reports on the Islamification of the United Kingdom, especially this terrible phenomenon of rape gangs that Majid Nawaz, a progressive Muslim reformist at the Quilliam Foundation himself admits, are overwhelmingly Muslim men.
Here's Majid Nawaz saying what is hard for a non-Muslim to say, but I suppose it's hard for Muslims to say.
Here he is saying it.
Why are we still, despite the years of evidence mounting up on this issue, why are we still so uncomfortable talking about this issue and accepting the fact that there is a hugely disproportionate number of British South Asian Muslim men involved in what can only be described, described as a despicable crime.
The fact is that since 2011, these sorts of crimes have occurred in cities up and down the country.
They are spreading.
They have occurred in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax and Newcastle.
And in only two of those cases I've just listed from all of those cities were there men not of British South Asian Muslim heritage.
All of the victims in all of those cities that I just listed, the list was very long.
All of the victims except three were white teenage girls.
And so the fact that this pattern, that the fact that 84% of these cases involve British South Asian Muslim men must beg the question why.
Martin Noise is very interesting besides talking about the fact that 80 plus percent of these rapists are Pakistani Muslim men even though they make up a sliver of a fraction of the British population.
He also says that the reason Tommy Robinson has grown so large and this perplexes the British establishment is precisely because the British establishment itself is AWOL, is absent when discussing this controversial matter.
Take a look at this.
For too long in this country, we, media, the establishment, society, the chattering classes, the liberal elite, whatever term you want to use, have ignored the issue of grooming gangs of young vulnerable teenage girls who have been victimized, drugged and raped and abused.
Whether it's the Rotherham case or all the other cases that were replicated across the country, it is both the conclusion of the prosecutor in the Rotherham case, British Pakistani Muslim Nazir Afzal, or indeed the official inquiry into why it took so long for these young, vulnerable, underage girls to get justice.
Both of those concluded that fears of racism prevented us from coming to the defense of vulnerable underage girls.
Fears of racism meaning that the state was scared that it would be accused of being racist if it rightly arrested and prosecuted British Pakistani, largely, British Pakistani Muslim men in their abuse of underage white teenage girls.
And so from fear of appearing racist, there was a silence across the country as multiple cases of grooming gangs emerged up and down the country as evidenced now due to multiple prosecutions, successful prosecutions, but sadly and unfortunately too late.
If we hadn't all been silent, if we had all addressed this issue head-on when it needed to be addressed, when it was time to address it, then the void would not have emerged for the populist agitators to fill that gap and become popular actually as a result of addressing what is a legitimate issue.
They ended up hijacking what should have been the concern of every right-minded citizen in this country.
So Tommy speaks out against these things.
I encourage you to read his autobiography.
It's called Enemy of the State.
It's really quite amazing.
It was the KGB that said, I think it was Laurenti Berria, the predecessor of the KGB, I think it was him who said, show me the man, I'll find you the crime.
And that's how it's been with regards to Tommy Robinson.
When you throw enough resources at any human being, if you scrutinize every single aspect of their public and private lives, you'll probably find something to get them on.
And so it is with Tommy Robinson.
I note that next month, Tommy is on trial again.
They're trying to ban him from attending football games.
That's what they call soccer over here.
It's just an absurd, punitive, trivial lawsuit, but that's the point.
Take up his time and money and stress and just harass him.
If he's busy defending stupid lawsuits, he's spending less time politicking.
The entire British establishment is against Tommy Robinson, and I'm sometimes asked, what about politicians?
Well, just as I was getting revved up there, Tommy Robinson came out of the prison.
So I rushed over to live stream what that looked like.
Well, I went to Going Roman.
Very insistent that I nod.
Hey, Tommy.
Thanks for how you doing, mate.
I'm doing great.
Look at you.
I know, man.
First up, hairdressers.
Yeah, I know.
Have your fun with your memes.
Tommy, it's great to see you.
It's good to be seeing you.
You're in better health than you were last time.
We visited you a few times.
Say a few words to your supporters who have been rooting for you these past 66 days.
Yep, I'd say it's been.
I've enjoyed reading the support and hearing the support.
For me, the main thing for this would be an embarrassment to the British government, an embarrassment to the judiciary.
In the judge's words, so let's pretend I did commit contempt to court, which I didn't.
In her words, it was unintentional.
So something that was unintentional, something that was unintentional that had zero effect on a trial, would result in a man, a journalist, being put in prison, spending two and a half months in surgical confinement in Omley.
And this is the crazy thing.
I've walked into Belmarsh prison and walked out without seeing another prisoner.
What's your message to the media?
I have to say the mainstream media, the Daily Mirror's here, they were here early.
You read their lies.
I'll turn you around to get you to the back.
No, you can't show them the prison mirror.
You read their lies.
You've read their lies.
The Daily Mirror lied saying I was attacked.
The Daily Mirror lied saying I was attacked in this prison.
You lied.
You lied to the public.
You made up an entire story or you're part of the propaganda that's pushed out.
My only message to them is you're a disgrace and embarrassment because if this happened to a journalist in Hong Kong, if what's happened to me happened to a journalist in Russia, in China, you'd all be up in arms.
But because I talk about Islam, you're all silent.
You're all complicit in the attack on free speech that we're witnessing.
You're all complicit on what's happened to our country.
All of the media are.
Well, to any point, right now there's Venezuela.
I was found guilty by an appointed judge.
By an appointed judge to go.
No, not by jury.
Common law, English common law, says that if you can face over six months in prison, you get a jury.
I was not given a jury.
Do you think you'd be not guilty if it was a journey?
No one would have got found not guilty and so do they.
It's the only offence in the whole entire country that you can get taken to jet prison for up to two years without a jury.
Well that was interesting, but as I said, we needed to get that lad to, well, if he wanted a quarter pounder, he had been watching ads for quarter pounders for 66 days.
The lad wanted his McDonald's and then boy, did he need a barber.
we did that well we picked him up a prison we got him a haircut he had a hot meal And now, Tommy Robinson sits down with me.
What a pleasure to see you outside of prison and free again.
It's good to be seen.
This time it's a lot different than your incarceration in HMP only.
I would describe that as torture, physical and psychological.
How was it this time?
So I was in Belmarsh, obviously, and the governor of Belmarsh made a complete effort to make sure that my rights were recognised.
I was in for a civil offence, it's not a criminal offence.
As a civil prisoner, you're entitled to more money.
So my big thing in the world.
As in to spend more of your own.
£47.50 a week I could spend, which meant I could buy as much tinned food as I wanted to.
And basically, and fruit and things like that.
In Only last year, £10 a week I had.
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So I could buy six tins of junior.
That's it.
And you couldn't eat the prison cafeteria food because, of course, it was made by the prison Muslim gangs.
How was it in Belmarsh?
Did you feel comfortable eating their prepared food?
So from when I was I went into Belmarsh prison and come out of Belmarsh Prison without seeing a prisoner.
The only prisoner I saw on two separate occasions was Julian Assange.
Now that's amazing to a lot of people that because I don't know enough about Julian Assange to come to a firm conclusion, but some people call him a political prisoner.
He's certainly not a violent man.
You are definitely a political prisoner.
For the two of you to wind up in the same prison, the same unit, that's quite something.
Maybe it was inevitable, I don't know.
So he's in healthcare, which so basically where I was was it's a prison within the prison, so essentially no one goes to this section bit, say you've got a corridor, you've got a corridor along here, and there's no windows in the corridor.
So there's a corridor, there's a door at this end and a door at this end.
And on this strip, there'll be four rooms.
A prison officer's room where the staff will sit, two members of staff, then an empty cell, and then my cell, and then the next cell, which is another empty cell with an exercise bike in it.
And at the end, you'll have, then at the end, there's a shower.
So, and then my ex, so for me to have it, so the idea is that you're contained on here, no one sees you, no one knows you're there.
They call it a suite, don't they?
They call it this suite.
For anyone who stayed in a suite in a hotel, it's not a suite.
It's basically three cells.
But, so at nine in the morning, so they'd come, my door would be opened at nine in the morning, quarter to nine.
And then when my door's open, then the officers then sit in their room, and then I have till quarter past eleven to shower, use the bike.
So you're on your own, but I'll go on the bike for an hour.
The bike was a godsend.
The first day I saw the bike, I was like, because they said you've got your own gym.
So I said, I want to go to the gym.
You've got your own gym.
When I was coming in the reception room, I saw the bike at first in the gym.
Is that all it is?
Yeah, it was actually good.
No, no, no.
And so then I'd do an hour on the bike.
I'd pace up and down to cool down a bit before I had a shower.
And then I'd have a shower and then I'd go on an exercise yard, which is a contained exercise.
So the exercise yard backed onto where my window is.
And it's like you see from the visit room, it's four-story high.
But there's all windows looking on this exercise yard.
So it's a square courtyard.
It's a courtyard.
But there's no cells that look onto it.
There's no cells around here.
This part of the prison, this is all offices.
But then at the top, there's four cells from healthcare.
So if you've had an operation, if you're in a hospital wing, there's four windows that looked onto this courtyard.
Julian Assange's was the second window in.
So you could holler up to him and he could holler down to you.
Yeah, so two days, where are we now?
Two, three days ago, I spent 30 minutes when I could see him then because, again, he's not having a good time.
He's been in the form of detention for many years.
Yeah, as he says, the isolation is getting to him.
Or got to him.
I don't want to pry into any confidences, although I don't think I'd call it a confidence.
Obviously, every word he said to you and vice versa was tracked by the prison and probably various intelligence agencies.
I don't think there's a private word spoken in those contingency suites.
I know when I visited you, there was a camera at the ceiling.
There's cameras at the camera.
Are you at liberty to discuss what you talked about with him?
Yeah, I wouldn't be aware.
That's why I wouldn't be aware of it if he didn't want me to.
So for a mutual friend that we're speaking to.
You know what?
No problem.
I just was curious.
But the fact that you spoke with him was interesting.
I don't want to put him.
I spoke to him about a mutual friend we spoke about this moment, so I only think, I said if I can.
No problem.
I was just curious because I know our viewers will be tantalized.
Now when I visited you on one of those occasions, I heard some moaning or some shouting.
Obviously not from Assange.
There's another prisoner.
Was there a murderer in the wing as well?
So they're on healthcare as well, so there's a prisoner who...
So in the first week I was speaking to him, because I couldn't see him, so I haven't seen him, but he can shout out the window and you can speak to the person.
There's four windows there, but there's one lad there who was feeling sorry for him the first week.
He's having a terrible sentence.
It's 10 years in, but they're not 10 years in isolation.
No, so he's not in isolation.
so he's in hell yeah for his door to open has to be for for security wearing full right gear every time oh my god he must be a monster well Or maybe not.
Maybe not.
They could say that about you.
No, he is.
So the crime he told me he's in there for, I checked out because I didn't want to be talking to him.
I want to know what he's in there for.
He told me he's in there for murdering his mate.
He's not in there for murdering his mate.
He's in there for murder and raping a 16-year-old girlfriend or an RFI.
So he's having a bad tenure.
And when I found out, I thought it was good that he's having such a bad sentence.
i hope he has another 15 years of hell in there but um that's the only and and and so anyone who's been in prison it's the hustle and bustle of being in prison It's the noises of being in prison, the environment of being in prison.
But this wasn't like being in a prison because, as I said, the only person I saw briefly, which was once, so, and again, so when I got in there, I expected the same as last time.
23 and a half hour bang up.
Them to block.
And they blocked.
Like last time, the only time they'd get me out was at lunchtime for my shower.
And that's when I could use the phone.
And my wife at the time was working actually in the school, not now, but she was working in the school.
And my kids were at school.
So I couldn't speak to my family.
And they'd purposely done everything.
So I expected the same.
And I was probably quite rude in the first day.
I remember when the governor came down to see me.
I just said, shut the door.
Because I expected the same.
But then I knew quite quickly it wasn't the same.
But essentially, that governor is in a position where I've landed in this prison, which is why I haven't got a bad word to say about Belmarsh.
I'm annoyed and angered and frustrated at what they've been allowed to do again by putting me at the old Bailey.
know that sends me to Belmarsh.
Belmarsh houses the worst terrorists in the worst.
It's like Guantanamo Bay.
Yeah, it's the worst offenders and when the worst offenders in the UK are sent to Belmarsh, Salman Abadi's brothers, I believe, in there now.
The man who attacked the police officer, the British order, he came in there.
So it's terrorists and murders.
And you, and a civil offender.
So Ross Kemp, that's what, because Ross Kemp's doing a documentary.
He's a British journalist.
Yeah, he's doing it.
And he came down.
That's what he came down after a couple of days.
I think he came down after a couple of days saying, how'd you feel?
And you're not a threat here.
And he's right.
And there was at no time in that sentence after the first couple of days did I feel in danger.
No, which is very different to my last sentence.
And then, as I said, the office, the governor, once I'm in his jail, he's got a duty of care to keep me safe.
So he's fulfilling his duty of care to keep me safe.
But the argument, what I was saying to Ross Kemp is, in the last 12 months, I'm a journalist.
I work as a journalist.
Whether the media like it or not, whether Geoffrey Cox or the British government or any of them like it, I've become the most watched journalist in the UK.
They don't like that.
Now, they don't like the stories I tell.
Now, the judges summing up, let's pretend for a second I did commit contempt of court, which I didn't.
Let's pretend I did.
Then in the judges summing up when she sent to me, because I had a way out here, which I went, I read to Russ Kemp, I said, listen to what she says.
My offence was unintentional.
So she's not saying I intended to break law.
So what she's saying is, I committed an accident, an error, whilst working.
And for that, for that error that had no effect at all on the trial, they see this as a fit punishment.
I've done, in the last 12 months, I spent two and a half months, three months nearly, on solitary confinement in awful conditions in H ⁇ P Only with them messing with everything they couldn't mess with.
This sentence was very different in the sense that the staff were great.
When I saw them, you know what I mean?
I only see them for talk two hours when my cell opens and then because of the unit, because of this unit that I'm on, I believe the unit was built for Ian Huntley.
Ian Huntley murdered two young children, two young girls, Reggie killed them.
So Ian Huntley's on it, there was another, Abu Hamza, I believe, has been on it.
Marcoela Belago has been on it.
So it's an isolation unit.
But there's two free cells.
So sometimes when they've got some people on, they might have a few of them on there.
But essentially when I was on this, it's just me on there.
And so I said, I'm on this isolation unit for a civil offence.
And for me, I said, where I'm feeling sorry for myself, I said, this is just bullshit.
For the whole world to see.
And it sends out a bad, I think, a terrible image of this country that a journalist can get locked up.
And it's not just locked up.
It's not like prison's prison.
I've been to prison multiple times, as people know.
And I've had in 2014, even when I was violently battered, I still had an all-right sentence.
I was on the wing, I was working.
So people understand what your prison system is.
Even the terrorists.
So the terrorists in Woods, the terrorists in Belmarsh, H ⁇ P Belmarsh, on the terrorist wing, they get out of their cell at 8 in the morning, they then get locked up at 12.
They then get out at 2 and they're locked up at 6.
They're out all day.
They can work, they can have education, they can play pool, they can play snoop.
The prisoners have football pitches, you have all these things that keep you occupied and keep you busy.
So essentially your day is like you're at work and then you're locked up at night, basically.
So that's why I said, I'm a single offender.
I'm the least offence in this whole entire prison.
But I'm locked up the most out of anyone in this prison.
It doesn't make any sense.
But I'm not having a go again because I'll stress that I'm not saying anything about Belmarsh or because there's nothing else that governor could have done once again.
The prison governor was sent to you.
So what could he do but do what he did?
Well I did I asked when I got in there to be located in a I didn't ask for isolation again.
So I didn't go in and say I need protection, you need to isolate me.
They didn't even ask a question this time.
It was straight on your going down.
Well, but they said, so I said, why can't I be sent to a DCAT prison?
Which is what I think.
Casual prison, like a low-risk prison.
Yeah, where you go home on weekends.
You know, you don't get locked up.
In fact, my offence is a DCAT offence.
So I said, how can I walk out of maximum security jail for contemptible?
In a maximum security jail?
Do you ever get an answer to that?
And then it's like, yeah, so I said, and then even the location.
So if they'd have moved me to Exeter prison, I'd have been fine.
They'd moved me in a prison with low Muslim population, I'd be fine.
You know, this morning when you came out of prison, I think there was only one other group of journalists there.
There might have been a second, but the Daily Mirror was there.
And it was remarkable to me.
The reporter from the Daily Mirror was not just, I mean, I like a reporter that asks a tough question.
That's the only interesting kind of reporter there is.
But he wasn't asking you a question.
He was prosecuting you.
He was telling you why you were wrong and why the system was right.
When he doesn't know.
I mean, he's not well briefed in the facts, but that's fine.
A lot of journalists are ignorant.
Maybe I shouldn't be shocked anymore, but he was saying, no, this is excellent.
You specifically said if this happened in Russia or Venezuela, we'd be shocked.
He said, no, this is exactly.
I couldn't believe a journalist was exuberant about your censorship and they're not, they're not, he's not, they're activists rather than journalists.
But I haven't seen one journalist in the entire United Kingdom, other than a couple of guys at Breitbart.
Not one at the Telegraph, at the Times, at the Mirror, at the Mail, at the Sun, not one.
Well, my frustrating thing is you said he was from the Mirror, The Mirror, whilst I was in prison, the Mirror Runner story.
Which actually the governor, come in with Ross Kemp with the newspaper for SAY, and it's front page of the newspaper, and there was this story put out in the Daily Mirror.
So he had the audacity of that journalist to come from the same paper which absolutely made up a story.
They, they said that you were knocked out in one punch by a 70 year old pensioner in the in the showers.
I got that news in Canada.
It was front page news in the in the Daily Express, I think the Mirror picked it up in the STAR, THE Mirror, the Radio STAR, that's the Daily STAR.
And I thought to myself and you were in Communicator, I mean, I thought that can't be right, but maybe it was if it's on the front page of the STAR, front page mass.
The fact.
The upsetting thing for me is that I ring home and my kids have been sent, so my kids think I'm being attacked in jail, which it, which isn't true.
But the other thing is that that paper, that story's, gone out.
No, they didn't even ring the prison.
It's completely and what?
That the purpose for that?
If you read the story there's two pages in the, in the paper as well.
If you read that story, it paints an image of who I am.
It says that I come into prison thinking I'm the big man yeah, they said he walked in with a swagger and I bully.
It said I was in trying to intimidate an old age pensioner and then it said, so, that is the image that they're portraying.
Another story went out whilst I was in there, saying I bought drugs in the gym and I, um and I was.
I bought drugs in the gym and I was rushed to hospital for taking the detergent or something and this was published.
These are all published yeah, and they're just completely made up.
You know, and obviously they had.
They didn't even pick up the phone to check.
No, because I asked the governor.
He's like, because when he bought the paper and he goes, this isn't good, it's not good for our jail.
I said it's not gonna do me.
I said what you?
I read one of these a month but and I said, did they ring you?
He goes, no, they meant you.
They didn't ring us at all, they meant you.
And then he so he says because someone one of my supporters had gone into the reception of the prison that morning when it came out are saying, well, there'll be hundreds of us coming back here like, so it put, he said.
He actually said it puts my staff in danger well, and it makes the prison look like a place with no discipline and with red violence.
You know what it was?
Maybe it is, but no, it wasn't in these cases.
Well, from what I saw of it, it was um, it had complete discipline and the governor.
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So in that first week when I first come into the jail, I thought, 23 and a half hour look, everything's going to be, I'm not going to get in the gym.
So, and there was a protest outside, obviously planned, which I wanted.
And then I know that then people, some people on the outside, for the best intentions, I know Shazia Hobbes was contacting my wife and I'm on a prison phone that's constantly monitored so I can't say things on the phone.
I cannot be sitting in a prison cell on a phone organizing protests or things.
That's right.
So I know there's a protest happening, Which I want to happen, because I wanted to be in a position, as such, to bargain with the governor, which the governor then came and saw me and said, Look, this is disruptive to the jail.
We can't have this.
I said, All I want is my rights recognised.
I'll make sure no one comes near this prison.
And I know, I know at the time there was a lot of suspicion.
I know Shazia, for all of the right intentions, was thinking that a protest outside the jail would upset all the other inmates, which would be problematic for me.
But not knowing that I know that I'm inside the prison and no one's seeing me anyway.
So there was, yeah.
Isn't that interesting?
Well, did you have your rights respected?
I remember, I think in my second visit to you, you said you had not received mail for a month.
I made a fuss shortly thereafter you got it.
That upset me that you didn't get your mail.
Did you finally get everything?
I finally got them out.
So essentially, the number I don't complain about much.
And once I saw all I said to the governor, I'm going to come in, I just want to use the gym.
Just get me in the gym.
And he did.
On a Tuesday morning and a Thursday morning before the staff started work.
So some of the staff would come in early to walk me through to the gym.
To the real gym.
To the actual gym, you know, for some weight.
So I'd be in the gym on my own.
Then look, just a little.
So that's half seven, them in the gate yard.
So this is little things that were just absolutely crazy.
So the half seven I'm in a gateway, and then some so it might be a Thursday morning.
I'm sitting there at half seven thinking this is the only time I'm getting off of this thing anyway, so I want to do it.
And then I'm going to turn up.
So there was about four times when they didn't turn up, which then I was thinking when they opened the door, I'm going to kill someone.
I just want to get in the gym.
I remember in Arnley, they cancelled one of your lawyers' meetings and they.
Yeah, this wasn't.
I would say that nothing, even when you people were late, I would say that, in fact, after meeting the governor, they'd done everything.
So nothing untowards.
With regards to, and my phone calls, with regards to the mail, what they said is your mail's up here, and it has to be read.
It has to go through counter-terrorism.
I think that counter-terrorism could have a lot more better time if they stopped looking at the list.
There's 23,000 jihadis that tracked me.
I'm reading letters from my mum and my supporters who are the average age is a 60-year-old female.
And actually, look at some Islamic journeys, but counter-terrorism has to go through my mail.
So everything has to be censored.
So that's what they said.
But to be honest, once I made the point and pushed the point to the governor, instantly he met they were in on overtime doing my mail.
And I read anyone who sent me a letter, I read every one of them.
Now, your first time in Arnold, you had, I think, six big duffel bags of mail.
How many do you have this time?
We'll check out, I think, about 14.
And I mean, for me, it's emotional and fulfilling to read people's stories of their difficulties in supporting me, to read their difficulties at work.
What is apparent is that everyone feels silenced and to read what they've gone through to show support for me and to read how much they care.
So I'm reading all these stories and to read the you know on my campaign, in my MEP campaign, I was going the working class to work with the working class.
Judging by my mail, it's a very different mix-up of support, which and a lot of these supporters are supporters that can't come out.
They tell me their work, their jobs.
I feel like there's so many people I know now because some people message me daily.
Certain people just speak to you.
I know your whole life.
I hope you enjoy dancing.
So I'd spend my day, I'd spend five hours a day reading.
Well, I guess that keeps you company, especially if you don't have human company.
Now, in Arnley, you didn't have any voices other than the shouting if you, because they didn't give you a TV, did you give a TV this time?
I didn't really.
I turned the TV on in the evening, if I watch it, because as I said during the day, I've done an hour on that bike every morning.
Well, that's great.
So, you got those emails from emailaprisoner.com, those were coming through.
Yeah, and then I got on my, so I've got, I'll show you after this, we'll have a quick look.
The cards I've got from all over the world.
Just, yeah, it was amazing.
Do you know what I mean?
And it was also quite satisfying to think, to read the stories, and many of them now would be from people who only started following me in the last 12 months.
And many of them would start saying I'm a law-abiding citizen, I never broke the law.
I've always had trust in our system in judiciary.
I cannot believe what I've just witnessed over the last 12 months.
Waking Up To Corruption00:04:31
So, in the sense, I think if whatever your objective was within this prison sentence, which I generally believe each time would be to try and just break me, is you're actually waking more people up.
You're enlightening more people to the corruption of the media, the corruption.
I'm actually Boris Johnson.
I'm quite happy to see the same government as I actually like Boris Johnson.
I think he's shown himself as a very strong leader.
But Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General, who's still an Attorney General, I think that government now knows what it's like when you get a politicised decision from a court.
You've now got a politicised decision from the Court of Scotland, and now you know how it feels, because my decision at the Old Bay was politicised.
Anyone who just tried to prosecute me, I got out of jail.
We went before the head judge of the old Bailey, he kicked down.
What they then done is just replaced the head judge of the old Bailey and put me back in.
Well, that's the thing, they'll keep trying.
If they don't try this, they'll try that.
I mean, I read your book, Enemy of the State, and you know, the secret police have a saying, show us the man, we'll find the crime.
Like, if you investigate a guy enough, you'll find something on him, even if it's an overdue library book.
And I sense that that's the approach they're taking with you, to waste your money, to waste your time, to stress you out, to stress out your family, to fatigue your supporters.
I think that they are turning the process into the punishment.
66 days in prison is a punishment too, but that's actually a lot shorter.
I mean, you've been fighting this stupid condemned court thing for 16 months.
So, yeah, even when I think when I was in there, because I was getting anxious and worrying about coming out because I've generally thinking, what next?
What next?
Because what's coming next?
And I don't know if I was, and essentially I don't know if I was worrying more because I'm on isolation and that makes you worry or because I'm getting older, but I was thinking, Jesus, man, what is coming next from their point of view?
What are they going to do next?
Well, let me ask you this, and again, if this is something confidential, just say so and I'll move on.
Before you went in on an American TV show, Infowars, you said you were interested in asylum in America.
And that was an interesting talking point, but my point of view is if you're interested in asylum, apply for asylum.
You can say as a pass if you don't want to.
I am 100% interested in my wife and children being safe.
And that was a good thing.
In a former country?
In the United States of America, I love it.
with regards to myself there's a there's a fight going on in this country and i want to be part of i can't imagine you in any i mean taking tommy out of the uk it's like taking de gaulle out of france There's no such thing as de Gaulle outside of France.
I don't even know if you could exist outside the UK.
So again, times change and things change.
And my worry again was when I was in jail that something could happen at the house was like, you know what I mean?
When I'm not there.
So all of those things play in just about.
Was it easier on your family this time because they had the phone calls and the visits?
It was easier on them.
And we know we have the support.
So yeah, my son had a little better.
My youngest didn't as much.
But yeah.
I think because we knew it was happening and I think, I don't know if it's because, because I mean, because I'm in jail and I know, so when I was in prison last time, I felt fine.
When I was walking out, I thought it looked great.
And then everyone's like, Jesus, Christ, probably.
But then I realised I wasn't right from that time in jail.
So then I don't know.
I was shocked when I saw you.
I didn't even want to tell you what you looked like.
Don't worry, someone found it.
Yeah, but I thought, so then this time I think that was conscious on the back of my head as well, because then I think, oh, this is going to happen again.
I'm Saturday again, and then when I get out again, I'll have all the same problems I had last time.
All right, now, we got you out of prison in the morning, had a quick stop by McDonald's.
I've been watching the Double Corporate advertisement TV.
I know that they stop him on the 24th of September, so I was thinking got you a haircut, you went home, had a shower, etc.
Your kids, let's check the time here.
Kids are almost out of school, so I want to let you go.
But there are two questions I have for you before we go.
And maybe these are just of interest to me, but I think some of your viewers want to know too.
Nigel Farage's Media Battles00:02:40
We have a new Prime Minister in the UK who's a little bit eccentric in some ways, who's a little bit a free speech.
He has shown himself to be a free speecher in the past.
I remember once he wrote a great column in the paper in defence of gutter journalism.
He says, gutter journalism keeps the gutters clean.
He said, I don't care how nasty it is, free speech.
I was impressed with that.
I don't know if he's that way today.
What's your feelings about Boris Johnson's government, Nigel Farage's influence?
Do you have any hope that the essential systemic problems in the UK will be fixed or not even?
The opportunity is there hugely for Boris Johnson.
I think it's a cabinet as well.
I think Pretty Patel was brilliant.
Watched her for years.
She's home secretary.
I think they're dealing with the problems caused.
I think that the clear out of the 21, the purging of the people who are Romainers and who aren't actually conservative in their views in many ways.
I don't know, you can be hopeful, but they're not going to let him, are they?
So the battle that's commencing is Boris Johnson eaten educated, representing the people.
There is a, I think he needs a pact or should do a pact with Nigel Farage so that the Brexit Party target Labour heartlands that simply the Tories can't go in and get the votes.
They've got the mining towns where there's such a disillusion or such a resentment against what is the Tory party.
The Brexit Party can generally feel that.
But I don't know, again, Nigel Farage, I think, threw a lot of people under the bus, but he has put pressure.
It was the European result, so you have to look at where it's gone.
It was probably the right move in everything he's done as well.
Even when he slammed us, it probably has been the right move to put pressure.
The Tory Party and Boris Johnson realising as he's coming in, if he doesn't deliver on Brexit, he knows the Tory Party finished.
If he doesn't deliver, but people don't want Theresa May's deal getting rid of the backstop.
That's not Brexit.
So time will tell.
But essentially, all of these things, it's interesting times.
It's interesting.
Last question.
Earlier you mentioned your identity as a journalist.
Sardi Java as well.
I thought he'd been great when I've been watching him.
I like your phrase that you're a journalist, whether the media likes her or not.
And it's true, journalism is an activity.
It's not like a DNA test.
It's not just a journalist, but what they hate is I'm the most watched journalist in the country.
And even today, all those tabloids, they were there because you get clicks.
They say they hate you, but they actually love talking about you, but they disparage you.
It's strange.
It's like Trump in a way.
It's and the lies, man.
Grateful Survivor's Story00:08:57
So essentially, I've got plans.
I'm just going to take my time, but I have got lots of plans for documentaries I want to make and ideas I've had whilst even sat in there.
Things I've been working on with regards to confronting their lives.
Can you give us some hints?
Is it, I know you're talking about the rape of the people.
So with the Rape of Britain, so people, just to get a few things out clear as well.
Before I went to prison, I showed a promo for a documentary called Shallot.
Jesus Christ, the usual old school BNP types, the usual people who want to use an excuse to attack, and I'm the Zionist.
Those usual people leapt on it, yeah.
Now, I knew I was going to jail.
Okay, I knew I was coming back to prison.
I want to start working on the Rape of Britain.
want to do this we've laid the foundations but I want to I also don't want to mess about When I sit down, when I go to those cities and start getting those young victims to tell their stories or their families, I know the consequence that's going to bring from Muslim gangs and from the police trying to shut it down.
So I know I'm going to jail.
If I'd have gone up and started those things and then got sent to jail for a year or two years, which I'm expecting, and leave those people in limbo, when I go and start that documentary, I will move into that city for four weeks and I will get every single thing on camera.
So before I'm going to jail, I thought I'm not going to disappear and live in a different town for four weeks.
I'm going to be with my wife and kids before I go to jail.
I got told, as I told you, that my case would be adjourned for pre-sentence reports.
I had a six to eight week gap where I thought, all right, I can fit in Shalom.
shalom was a documentary which we tried to work we were all trying to tell but kayden was we with the fallout of kayden they had they had ex they had rights signed by so people know israel shalom people think it's about israel and it's about and the word shalom israel Yisrael Shalom is the gentleman's name.
It was a bloke who'd become a friend of mine who was persecuted to death.
I'm telling his story.
So rather than just sit at home for eight weeks before my court, before going to prison, I thought I can fit in while seeing my family, I can fit in this documentary.
So my idea was to fit in this documentary, which we didn't get to fit in because they sent me straight to jail.
And then the Rape of Britain.
So even now, the Rape of Britain is going to be a risky documentary to tell and show because I'm going to find the groomers.
I know who some of them are already.
I know their businesses.
I want to walk into their businesses.
These sort of things are going to cause destruction, probably attacks against me.
So essentially now, and I need to move to the towns and cities.
I'm coming out of jail now.
I'm not about to move next week to another town and city and be away from my family for weeks on end.
So I'm going to put in my time period for starting that documentary.
I'm going to give myself a little bit of time.
That and I've got another documentary which I want to which I can work on easily as well.
But that's what I want to do is just tell the stories that people aren't telling, uncover and embarrass the people who deserve embarrassing, the people sitting enjoying their pensions who turned a blind eye and allowed the rape of our children.
I think everyone in the country needs to know their faces.
They need confronted.
And when I say confronted, confronted with a camera, they need to put in the limelight, spotlight needs to be on them for a little while.
That's what I want to do.
That's what I'm going to do.
But I just essentially I need to plan it while I do it in my time.
But that's, so yeah.
Well, Tommy, your kids are almost out of school, so I'll wrap up.
But I recall that it was exactly in this same pub that you and I met and chatted when you were released out of Only, the horrible prison in which you were tortured.
And I must say that physically, psychologically, mentally, emotionally, you are so much better now than you were shell-shocked back then.
It was like a detonation when I was shit.
I wasn't expecting to get released when I got released.
So I wasn't expecting to get released.
This time as well, even this morning, I was quite emotional this morning, but that's from being looked up.
No, it's not normal.
So yeah, and even I wasn't excited about getting out.
Which I should be shocking.
Isn't that interesting?
Well Tommy, I want to let you know because it sounds like you got a lot of mail, but we get an enormous amount of email and comments on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook.
And I think you know it, but I'll just tell you anyways, there are people not just in the United Kingdom, but around the world, who follow your story.
They feel like they have a personal friendship with you.
And some of them do.
It's not just my journey, it's theirs.
Well, and the issues you talk about are so, they ring a bell for so many people.
And so a lot of people, I know if they could speak through me here, they would say, please keep it up, please be smart, please be careful, please make good choices, but please keep fighting.
Because as I've said before, I believe that you're the last lion.
And if they stop you, well, then who else could there possibly be?
So you've got to keep doing it.
Again, I was asked that this morning, will you be back?
Because there's a documentary being filmed in Belmarsh Prison.
Will you be back?
Back in prison is what they mean?
Will you be back?
Well, let's do our best to let that know.
Let's do our best.
Let's do our best.
But I said the same answer to him is the minute you start worrying about consequences, the minute you stop doing what you do.
Now, I'm going to continue to do what I do.
I don't intend to break any laws.
I'm not going to break any laws.
I will defend myself.
I need to defend myself at times.
But it's like I'm going to continue doing the work I do.
You've seen how much that's upset and angered them already.
So yeah, if I could, I'll just say a massive, I'm gonna, people will get a video from me in the next week talking about my experience as well and about how grateful I am.
But to everyone who wrote to me, everyone who mailed me, all the people who spent their money travelling, some of the distances, I'm reading your mails.
I'm reading the mails to some people and they're telling me the times they're getting on mega buses and they're transport down on their own against their family wishes and then I'm reading the full stories and it was such a, as I say, fulfilling, heartwarming to read their journeys that they've gone on themselves from being here to waking up to questioning to falling out with family to and I'll say the same thing to all of them.
I've been through that same experience and all the people who have turned against you, your friends that might be disagreeing with you and not understanding, there will come a time when they understand and then they'll realise that they're wrong and you'll see the same as I've seen.
So yeah, I'm grateful and as I said, I'm grateful to everyone for the support, man.
I know.
Well folks, I thank you for joining us today.
And I want to say thanks to the folks who have chipped in for the crowdfunding.
This is my third trip over during the period of your support.
I'm on your air miles, yeah?
Yeah, that's right.
And Jessica, the young reporter who visited you with a chaperone, I might add, because of the gossips out there, let me set that straight.
And I'm glad we did because you say the prison was exemplary and I take your word for it.
I said this morning, because I've got this documentary and they finished filming today.
And I said, would I have been treated fair if your cameras weren't here?
But then if I'm honest, I said, that might be a bit unfair because after meeting Rob Davis, who's the governor, and when I say meeting him, in this unit that I'm on, every single day someone has to come from healthcare, someone has to come, because you're in isolation, someone has to come, a governor has to come, whether it be duty governor, but they have to come and say, are you okay?
Now, I'd say that it's a bit unfair saying that.
I think that after meeting him, no matter what, he'd have treated me the same way I've been treated, he's completely fair bloke and he's doing a good job and a difficult job.
Well, I hope so, but I agree with your assessment.
You wouldn't know, but this is the first time, this is the first time they've treated me like that.
time i've been taken to the gym first time i think that this other british journalist him being there was important i think the four rebel visits we'll never know what it would have been like i'm glad we did it And I enjoyed visiting you.
No, when it got me, I said, so my day is 11.15, locked up, yeah?
And then until the next morning at 9 o'clock, that's a long day.
It's a long day, no matter what, because it's a long day.
So I said, on that shit, Blue Matt, you've seen him.
so i spent 22 hours a day sitting on that map but um so when you come at when you visit when i have a visit at two o'clock that's completely it weren't like a day it weren't for me that day's done Because then I think, they knock the door up at quarter past 11, they're open again at 2 o'clock, then they bang it back up at 4, and then friends is on.
Well, you had a range of visitors.
I was glad to be one.
And in one of my visits, it was your old friends from way back in the day.
And to see you just banter and have that laugh, it probably took you half an hour just to get into that.
conversational groove again because you can't live in silence and then just become sociable immediately.
That's what made me the happiest is it took like a half hour, an hour for you to normalise again and the jokes and you know the tiring of that.
Same thing when my kids come in, I felt exhausted after a visit because I want them to see me in the best, like that nothing's going wrong.
But yeah, even my mates, I said, I don't know if I said that earlier, I was going to buy the Muslim gown.
I was going to do it new, yeah.
And come walking into a visit.
That would be good.
I was going to do it coming out of jail.
Visitors and Laughter00:00:48
Because you can buy it £22, it was in the canteen.
Oh, that's so funny.
Well, Tommy, let's let you get back to your kids, folks.
Thanks for watching.
If you want to chip into the crowdfunding, go to prisonreports.com.
I'll be back in the UK.
Tommy has another trial.
I don't think it's a secret, I think I can make sure.
No, it's no secret.
I was going to do a video updating everyone on lots of stuff because I've got three more court dates in the next eight weeks.
Wow, well, I know only about one of them.
I'll be there for the football trial where they're trying to ban you from football.
That's in October.
So you can tell me about the football.
You know the Daily Mirror, Janet said earlier, like, I was at the old Bailey because I'm high profile.
Yeah?
No, I'm at Newton Court on October 18th.
Yeah, that Daily Mirror interaction was as weird as yet.
Let's get you out of here, my friend.
Thanks.
All right, from all of us here at the Rebel to you at home.