Robbie Picard, a Métis activist from Fort McMurray, challenges the framing of pipeline opponents as victims of sexism after six new legal appeals delayed Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain expansion ahead of Canada’s September 11th election. He dismisses Sappora Berman’s "Mordor" remark as irrelevant to his advocacy against foreign-funded activists—like Berman, who received $2M from the U.S.’s Climate Breakthrough Project—while criticizing Amnesty International for prioritizing anti-oil campaigns over human rights abuses in oil-producing nations. Picard argues Alberta’s economic survival depends on pipeline approval and calls for a national push on energy sovereignty, urging listeners to support his work at oilsoundstrong.com. [Automatically generated summary]
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Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion is on hold yet again for more legal wrangling.
What does this mean for the federal election that was just called today?
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
We're seeing an alarming trend these days.
It's pretty recent, and it's built on the tried and true template of calling anyone to the right of Chairman Mao a racist or alt-right with no evidence whatsoever.
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It's just assumed.
Now, this new trend is this: if you oppose the carbon tax or radical environmentalism or the foreign funding of these radical environmentalists, you are now sexist and against human rights.
Just yesterday, when Jason Kenney, the Premier of Alberta, announced the details of his new inquiry into the foreign funding attacking Alberta's oil patch, Amnesty International came out and said that tracing money back to foreign billionaires would somehow violate the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Bizarre, right?
Gets worse.
I've seen a spate of articles lately detailing the trials and tribulations of female environmentalists.
And the articles have tried to blame Donald Trump, Premier Jason Kenney, and my guest tonight for any manner of inconveniences, real or imagined, or abuse, real or imagined, directed at these women.
Robbie Picard held up a sign at the unveiling of Premier Jason Kenney's Energy War Room that called the founder of Forest Ethics and Stand Earth the enemy of the oil sands.
And given that she's dedicated most of her life to shutting down the oil sands, I think that's a pretty fair assessment of Sappora Berman.
And yet the media is painting that event as some sort of misogynistic attack from Robbie, who happens to be gay and Metis and from the place Berman called Mordor.
He's from Fort McMurray.
So my friend Robbie joins me tonight to discuss these new shutuppery tactics and the cancellation of the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline one more time and how he took the fight to a documentary film crew that came up to Fort McMurray.
Stay tuned for the interview we recorded yesterday afternoon, coming up next.
Joining me now from his home in Fort McMurray is Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong.
Hey, Robbie, thanks for joining me.
There's a heck of a lot to talk about right now.
But first, I want to talk about you because you fought back when a documentary film crew came to Fort McMurray and you decided that these people aren't going to come to your town, tell lies about your town without any sort of opposition or pushback from the locals.
And you led the charge, didn't you?
Yeah, you know, I wasn't entirely sure what I guess what they were trying to do.
It was definitely an interesting thing.
So I organized a small group of people to kind of just say, like, I can't even count.
Like, apparently there's another four documentaries about Fort McMurray being filmed right now.
But I just wanted to say, like, look, why are you guys constantly flying here and, you know, asking questions about Taylor's Pond, wanting to tell our story or wanting to tell us to tell you our stories at the same time?
I mean, are you going to tell it from a center point of view and kind of just kind of be factual?
Are you going to put a slant on it?
And also, I said, like, you know, it kind of gets old after a while because it's constantly happening.
There's always a group here.
It's always the same story.
It's sort of like a 51st dates or whatever.
Like it never stops going around and around.
And I wanted to, I wanted to kind of talk about it.
And it was, it was, it was definitely interesting.
So they came.
I'll give credit where credit's due.
Like Jamie, the CBC reporter here, she did a story right after and it was very fair and very like on point.
And I respected that.
And but the interesting part was that when we were in the, we were, I tried really hard to make this little town hall work and it was raining and I was real busy with my marketing company.
And one of the things I'm doing right now is like, I'm just, I never stop working.
And sometimes like you're, you're literally like that more, well, that morning I was buying an antique blender because I found a really good garage sale.
So that was my excuse to running behind.
It was really great.
As she was from 1974, it was really great.
Anyway, so I was obsessed with buying this blender.
And so then I went.
And then I was going to document it too.
So I had one of my camera guys there.
We were going to film it.
And before my camera even got out, the host, who was nice, put the camera in my face and started asking about my lesbian post.
First time that has ever happened in person, ever, ever in person.
It's happened.
It happens all the time.
Anyone wants to take a slot at me?
They bring it up.
Anyway, frankly, I don't care.
But I handled it.
And then I said to her, I said, you know, this was the interesting part.
I said, you flew over here, we flew over here.
And instead of saying, well, you're a hypocrite because you're taking a plane, I said, what is the harm if that oil in that plane or the fuel, the diesel, whatever, the jet fuel, what's the harm that that came from our great, wonderful community of Fort McMurray?
And it kind of was like, she's no, you're kind of right.
And at the end of it, they were kind of defending, hey, you guys have a right to produce oil.
So it was definitely an interesting encounter that honestly could have went many different ways.
But from now on, when they come, I want them to understand that, like, I get it.
You know, she's like, Robbie, all you, you made that lesbian post.
All you care about media and how dare you criticize media?
Or don't you think it's hypocritical that you're criticizing media?
And I'm like, well, I'm not saying that media can't cover stories.
What I want you guys to do is understand that this has an impact on us.
Like, I mean, every time we turn around, there's, I mean, there's some sort of documentary film crew here.
Some do, some have an amazing time and they do good work and it's a good story.
Some are huge, like, and they have big press.
Some completely backfire, like Jane Fonda.
But there's always someone coming here to kind of talk about us.
And I have given like myself for the past five years, like when they come, I give them the best tour possible.
I try my best.
I mean, I had a strange one where this one girl, she went and played the violin at an abandoned oil sand site.
You know, she came in from New York City to play a violin.
Whatever, whatever floats you're going to.
Oh, God.
But it was the first time I think, I think we're kind of like, I think we're at that point now.
We're going to say, okay, why are you here?
What's the premise of your story?
Are you coming here with an open mind?
Are you simply just going to fly over the tailings ponds and then take your video?
And if so, well, then we're going to at least stand up and say, look, like there are people here with lives that this is their community and they care about it.
And honestly, like, we're just trying to get about our business.
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Like, we're trying to get a pipeline approved.
We're trying to figure out what we're doing about our low housing prices.
Like, I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's definitely an interesting world we're in, but I'm happy that there was a little bit of bite back.
Yeah, I'm really pleased.
And I think you're probably the, here's the thing.
You're an oil sands activist.
You do this out of really the goodness of your heart.
You're really not getting paid to confront these activists that come into your town.
But you're the only one who organized the pushback.
And that's disappointing to me because you have an MLA, you have an MP and a mayor who they're getting paid to defend your community.
And yet you are organizing the opposition.
And I hope after seeing what you were able to do on really a moment's notice, that they sort of take up the reins and do what they were elected to do.
And that's defend the best interests of Fort McMurray.
I do hope, like, I want more, like, I'd like to see more support at these events that we try to put on.
I agree with you there.
Like, if this was Calgary, you'd have a lot more people.
And, you know, I agree with that.
Yeah.
Now, next thing I wanted to talk to you about, of course, is the Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion that has once again been put on hold so that it can go through more legal wrangling.
Apparently, six new appeals are going to be heard.
And the main criticism, at least from me, is that the last time the pipeline was delayed, the court laid out, now, agree or disagree with the court.
Normally I tend to disagree with these appeals courts decisions on pipelines, but they very clearly laid out to the liberals what they needed to do to meet the criteria to avoid the pipeline being delayed again.
And it sounds like they didn't do any of that.
And they also didn't make any arguments for or against the pipeline.
They just let the activists run the show.
And whether or not you agree with the pipeline, certainly it's the government's role to protect the taxpayer investment in that pipeline.
And they didn't do any of it.
What do you think?
I think that it's very rude to call an election on September 11th.
Yeah.
I have honestly no response for this.
We have an election coming up and I'm going to stay nonpartisan like I always have.
But what I will say is that this pipeline is in our national interest.
And you, when you elect people to office and they take roles of like energy minister, attorney general or whatever, and they get in those positions.
And I understand that for a time period when you're running for elections, like partisan politics is just insane.
But you want to know that those people have the best interests of the country at heart.
And you really want to believe that they didn't just spend $7.10 billion on, I don't know if they paid for it.
I mean, you hear different numbers, but it's 4.5 to start.
To start.
So, okay, so 4.5 to start, but I think they're projecting close to $7 billion.
$4.5 billion, which is a lot of money, which is, You know, which we need this pipeline.
It's in the national interest.
And you would think that after paying that pipeline and taking China or Kinder Morgan out of the equation, that this would be a priority and you would have your best lawyers on it.
You would not be dropping the ball.
There would not be a single T not crossed or an I not dotted.
And I'm concerned.
When you have such, like we need this pipeline, there's this isn't the want.
If we don't get this pipeline, what's going to happen is you're going to see Alberta like kind of collapse in time.
Maybe not right away, but it will.
It'll slowly start to fizzle.
You're going to see more investment leave.
You're going to see a lot of very, very angry Albertans.
And I understand that parts of Canada are doing good economically.
Well, that's really easy when you have a government borrowing money to prop it up.
But we in Alberta need this pipeline.
And long term, I would say four or five years from now, the rest of Canada will realize the importance of Alberta.
I hope that if we don't get this pipeline and they try to do something, say in a few years, it'll be too little, too late.
So now it boils down to which party can, I suppose, get a pipeline.
And I'm completely sad that this isn't a priority.
This has not been taken seriously.
I don't know what's happening.
I don't, you know, I'm 41 years old.
That's not my grinder age.
And I'm blown away at the fact that this is not a priority.
You know, and we've been fighting this for quite a while and mostly on our own dimes.
We don't have some U.S. whatever organization, trust fund babies, whatever, giving us a check for $2 million so we can continue to do this.
I mean, I'm doing the best I can with what I have, trying to keep my business going, advocacy in my spare time.
And I'm terrified.
I don't have an answer to this.
But once again, when you have a government that's been elected, you hope that no matter what happens, that they have the best interests of our country at heart.
And that pipeline is a big deal.
You know, when you think about it, what the liberals were willing to do for SNC Lavalin, they were willing to literally break the law to do, you know, a solid for a corrupt Quebec-based company, an engineering firm called SNC Lavillin, an engineering firm that once bought hookers for Mu Mar Qaddafi's son and routinely brought him over to Canada to work on his English.
They were willing to break the law.
And yet, when it comes to something that's in Alberta's best interest, but like you point out, in the best interest of the entire country, they couldn't even present a sound legal argument for or against to protect their investment.
And they do have the ability to say that this is in the national interest and just build a pipeline, but they aren't.
And I think that says a lot about how this liberal government feels about Alberta and the West.
You alluded to a $2 million handout to an environmental activist.
And that indeed happened.
It was given to a woman who fancies herself to be the nemesis of Robbie Picard, Sephora Berman, a former Rachel Notley employee.
She just got a $2 million U.S. climate award from an American environmental group called the Climate Breakthrough Project.
And she's supposed to take that money to develop a strategic approach to limiting new oil and gas development globally to align with the UN-Paris Agreement goals of a safe climate, at least according to the news release about the award.
Now, the point I want to make is that if this were Russian money flowing into the country for any reason, but if it were flowing into, let's say, promote oil and gas, which the Russians would never do, they'd love to block our oil and gas, especially our gas.
But if Russian money were dumping into the country to support things that conservatives cared about, everybody would be absolutely losing their marbles over this.
Berman gets money from the Americans, and nobody's talking about foreign collusion at all.
Oh.
You know, I've had a lot of time to think about Sappho Berman lately, and I'm not surprised that she's going to get this money.
And honestly, we know who's funding the anti-oil sands, anti-Canadian movement, anti-Canadian energy movement.
And now that Vivian Krause, you know, like she's done her research and we're going to have the inquiry, we're going to find out more.
But truthfully, what they're going to do is they're just going to change how they give the money.
It's going to be done differently.
And I think you're going to see more of this type of way of doing it.
And I'm honestly, I'm disgusted that more people aren't concerned about what has happened here.
And there's not more outrage to this.
We all like, I mean, that $2 million is just part of what she, that's just what we know about.
That's not the rest of it we don't may or may not know about, in addition to her wage and all of the, the rest of the money that they have a we as Canadians I'm not even gonna blame the government why we need to say, look, this is our future and we have to get off this delusional notion that somehow that we are going to eradicate fossil fuels in the next 20 years.
And frankly, if Canada stopped all oil production tomorrow, it would make no dent in the world's carbon pollution period.
So my my friend Sippora um, I don't, I'm trying candidly, I'm trying to figure out what to how to respond to her.
So after, you know, I opened the war room and I held up that sign that said Sappho Berman, enemy of the oil sands.
Um, you know, she's uh constantly, you know, bringing up about that.
She got attacked apparently um, some guy tried to assault her at an airport.
Now, that was pre for the record, pre.
Um, that happened two years prior to the warm it.
You know what I, what I want to.
I want to talk about that.
So before we skip ahead.
Actually, I had, I actually brought up the article on my computer because it is so unbelievable in that I literally do not believe it happened the way she described.
It's part of an article From the National Observer called The Campaign to Silence Sappora Berman.
And she points out, or she alleges, that after she was appointed to the oil sands advisory group, so before Jason Kenney even announced that he's going to run for the leadership of the PCs, then win the leadership of the PCs, then unite the parties, and then run for the leadership of that party and then win as premier.
She alleges that somehow Jason Kenney and Donald Trump, who also at the time wasn't president yet, are somehow, due to their rhetoric, responsible for an alleged assault that happened to her in one of the most surveilled buildings in the entire country.
And I can't even believe journalists are letting her get away with saying that.
This.
She says that she was at the Edmonton International Airport.
And these are her words.
So I imagine this is on the departure side through security.
So she says, she was assaulted at the Edmonton airport.
A huge man came toward me yelling at me.
And then he grabbed me, started shaking me, and there was spit flying into my face.
I was scared.
I twisted away from him and ran into the women's bathroom and hid in a stall for a long time.
She ventured out in time to board her flight.
The man had gone.
I absolutely, I'm saying it right now.
I don't think this happened.
Airports are watched and surveilled in real time.
There are literally people sitting watching monitors.
She wants us to believe a ginormous spittle-faced monster, big foot of a man, grabbed her in the Edmonton airport, throttled her until she writhed and twisted away and then ran off sobbing and hid in a bathroom.
And this man just sauntered off and got on a plane.
It's unbelievable.
And yet the media just lets her say these kinds of things.
We see it all the time.
We're seeing it again with Catherine McKenna in an attempt to silence everybody who's critical of the carbon tax.
She's saying, well, this rhetoric, this being critical of me, is somehow morphing into super misogyny.
And this is just the sh it's the new shut up.
They used to call us racist.
Now we're sexist because we don't like the carbon tax.
And anything goes, any manner of story that they just say without proof apropos of nothing, everybody just believes it like it's the gospel of Mark.
I don't get it.
Okay, so sorry, I was on quite a tangent there.
No, no, and I'm going to actually, I got a good response for this, okay?
So I'm going to leave Catherine McKinna's one.
I'm going to set that aside because that one I don't, I've never, I've never done a meme on Catherine.
I've never, I've never, I don't, I try to stay nonpartisan.
I've taken the odd shot at Trudeau when he, you know, dresses up as Mr. Dress Up when he goes on an India trip and the fact that we don't have a pipeline.
But what I will do is I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to take this to another level here and I'm actually going to include you in this.
So Sephora Berman, for instance, like if somebody, if somebody, here's my message to Sappora.
Okay.
So I completely get it, Sappora.
You and I don't agree like each other.
And I'm actually quite impressed that you got $2 million for your rackets.
I mean, you have made an amazing, amazing career, you know, trying to shut down the industry that we're trying to protect.
And I mean, you're ahead of us right now.
I mean, wow, $2 million to fantasize about how you're going to get rid of fossil fuels.
Good on you.
But if somebody grabs you at an airport, call security and get them arrested.
And I find it really funny how there's this outrage of something that no one saw happen.
I'm not saying it did or didn't.
I wasn't there, but you could probably actually, I mean, I imagine airports keep security footage for a very, very long time.
You probably can name the time and the date of your flight, and you could probably find the perpetrator who grabbed you and spit in your face and go from there.
And when it comes to people being physical, there needs to be not a double standard.
So I have a friend of mine who is a reporter who was at a women's rally and some guy physically tried to punch her, punched her camera and the camera hit her in the head.
It was all on tape.
And very few people on the left gave a sweet about it, even though she was clearly a female.
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And the entire video was quite passive.
Hey, what are you up to?
Why, you know, it wasn't even a typical thing.
And that was on tape.
And what did my friend do?
She did everything within her power to get the guy exposed.
So, Sappora, you have massive reach and you've got $2 million in the bank or you have access, you know, do something.
Call and find out who this guy was.
But at the same time, and this is where I'm struggling because I never want anyone to hurt Sapporo Berman.
No, Sepora Berman.
And frankly, my idea for calling her enemy the oil sands came from Shadowland magazine.
And Shadowlane Magazine did an article where they said she's the, how did Sepora Berman become the Olengas number one enemy?
Yeah, and they are that that's unreadable feminist garbage, Shadowline magazine.
So if it's okay for the feminists at Shadowline Magazine to say about her, then it's not sexist when you say it.
My gay Metis friend.
Am I being sexist by not fighting the same fight?
I don't, I don't care who my opponent is.
I'm fair.
I try to fight fair.
I try not to be too personal, but I'm also not scared to stand up to anybody.
And I've stood up to David Suzuki.
I've stood up to Mike Adema.
I've stood up to most of the Greenpeace crew.
Yes, DeleonardoCaprio, Neil Young.
I mean, it's not to me.
It doesn't matter if someone's a woman or not.
And frankly, I don't, most of my mentors, my business mentors, people in Fort McMurray are all females, business people, successful people.
And they're pretty easy to work with.
I recently actually had a really good conversation with the former energy minister Margaret McCraig Boyd.
Then I met with the current energy minister provincially.
I got posed with a post picture with both of them.
I'm, you know, I've worked with Rachel Notley to the best of my ability when she was premier.
I've tried to stay nonpartisan.
So, but I'm not going to be silenced.
And I think it's a very vicious thing to silence people by accusing them of doing things.
I'm like trying to imply that what am I supposed to do?
Like if someone's a woman, I'm supposed to take it like softer and not say the same things I'd say to a guy.
I don't think that's how it is.
I think if you, if you're, Sepora Berman is a public figure, she's very, very, I mean, it's hilarious.
She's like, she does a post on Twitter.
She's like, call to war, basically.
Like, I don't know what it was.
I can't remember.
Yeah.
She's like a sort of a war cry, warrior up, warrior up, right?
Okay, you're warrying up.
And then if someone calls you out and says, well, you're an enemy of the oil sands, all that's misogynistic.
And if someone's threatening you, Sepora, then call 911.
You know, take care, take care of that.
And if you're at an airport, I mean, that should be easy.
Don't run to the bathroom, pull the fire alarm, go get security, do what you need to do.
But don't scream.
Scream.
Say, get your hands off me.
Like, protect yourself, you know.
And I, and, and then, and I don't quite know what the angle there.
And I really hope that it's not, you know, just to silence us.
I mean, I think that I think that we're in a time where you're going to have a lot of people that are very upset about what's happening.
And it's great that Ontario and Quebec are doing decent because Alberta did decent for so long, but people are terrified.
And frankly, for all of your Sappho, for all of your environmental activism you've done, you haven't created one job in Alberta.
It's not like any of this, I mean, if you look at we have a free market system.
So if you had an energy source tomorrow, I don't believe, I mean, if suddenly, okay, all this energy source was going to replace oil tomorrow, you'd see it.
You're not.
When you're seeing windmills not work in Germany going back to coal, you see that they've spent trillions of dollars on this so-called green energy, which is horrible.
You see what's happened in Ontario with the power rates going up and people can barely feed themselves.
So it's a very interesting time.
And respectfully, I mean, I don't certainly don't want anyone to threaten her, but I'm not going to stop my advocacy out of fear because I'm not, I'm, I'm, she's my opponent on many, many issues.
I was trying to find common ground, like something we could agree on.
It's hard to agree with her.
It really truly is.
I watched every video she's ever done, and there's just not a lot, not a lot there to work with.
Now, the last thing I wanted to talk to you about today, since you're being generous, so generous with your time, I'm going to take up a little bit more.
Amnesty International today.
I remember when they used to care about people who were wrongly imprisoned, getting like the downtrodden out of like thought criminals, people who were political prisoners in the developing world, imprisoned by oligarchs, that sort of thing.
Today they are standing up in favor of foreign billionaires and their ability to dump millions of dollars into Canada at activists like Sappora Berman.
They say that Jason Kenney's inquest, let's call it, into foreign funding and foreign meddling in the Canadian economy and specifically in blocking Alberta's oil and gas development.
They've said that the energy war room is deeply concerning.
And they say these initiatives to protect Canada's economy somehow undermine and violate a range of Alberta's human rights obligations.
Standing up for foreign billionaires while Albertans lose their jobs, their homes, their families, and everything they ever worked for.
What happened to Amnesty International?
I'm going to blame Fort McMurray on this.
Whoa.
And here's what we failed to do.
I'll even take some of the responsibility.
Clearly, people at Amnesty International have this notion that there's something wrong happening in Fort McMurray.
They think that there's all these people that, for some reason, don't have good paying jobs or First Nations that own half a billion dollars of a Sun Corps tank farm.
They somehow think that this isn't a good thing.
They somehow think that what is going on in Fort McMurray is bad.
And we've done a really, really lousy job of articulating what we are to the world.
And as much as I'm trying my best and we are getting better at it constantly to put a better message out there, as Canadians, as Albertans and as people live in Fort McMurray, we need to really stop letting this happen and fight because our lives are comfortable.
They're not as comfortable as Sapporo Burmans, but they're pretty comfortable here.
And I think, but there's a lot of uncomfortable.
There's a lot of people losing their jobs.
There's a lot of poverty in Alberta right now.
If we don't get our message out there, I mean, we've allowed this Sappora Burman and Micadema and all of these people to paint this picture of who we are to the world.
And clearly, Amnesty International, I mean, they need to have their heads examined if they think it's a bad thing for our premier to actually give to care about the future of the province.
I respect a lot of what Rachel Notley did, but the one thing I strongly disagree with is this notion of social license.
So clearly, that's a big failure.
If we don't get a pipeline built, if we don't get market access, the United States will slowly, slowly become, well, they're only really our only customer, but they're going to become, they're going to buy our oil for cheaper.
We're going to sell it less and less, and we won't have a market.
So this is the war room.
I mean, if it does anything with the inquiry, it'll open up.
Okay, what is happening here?
We all know what's happening.
It'll just make it more black and white.
And I respect our premier for having the courage to actually try and do something.
It's not an easy thing to do, but like, you know, we all know what's wrong.
I mean, the people, the documentary people, they said it too.
We don't have a problem with your oil.
Now, whether they come out in the movie or whatever they're doing with it, I'm not entirely sure.
But I'm telling you right now, like, it's just we here in Alberta and in the rest of Canada, we really got to step up and not accept what's happening.
And it's hard because they come at you from every different angle.
They work on multiple strategies, multiple fronts.
I mean, it's, but it's not right.
And it'd be really nice to get a united message.
It'd be nice if all Canadians on this one topic about energy sovereignty agree and get the message out there.
So clearly, I mean, Amnesty International, for them to say that, they have a bad impression.
And that comes because we're not loud enough.
I mean, you have Naomi Klein today in New York with Greta Thunberg.
I mean, Greta is such a brilliant climate expert, you know, with all of her vast experience and knowledge.
I'm being very sarcastic.
You know, that's the picture they're getting.
Like, I mean, Naomi Klein's with Mayor Bill DeLasio.
She's painting this picture.
Well, Amnesty International, all those places, like they spend a lot of time in New York, and that's what they're hearing.
So, I mean, we need to say, we need to spend a lot of time, energy, educating the world on us quickly and simultaneously build a pipeline.
And whoever the government is in six weeks after this election, they need to put the pipelines, even two pipelines, as in the national interest, the same as the railroad.
And if that happens, and maybe we have a shot.
But if we don't get that and we continue this nonsense that we're doing now, I don't know.
And Amnesty International, I mean, we're the greatest country in the world for many reasons.
People talk about, like, I had a conversation the other day about all these people, you know, immigrants saying, well, you know, Canadians, they're not accepting as immigrants and all this stuff.
And I'm like, well, the way I look at it, the way I look at it is this.
If our country wasn't great, why are so many people trying to get into it?
Same with the States.
If America wasn't so great, why are people trying to get into it?
If Mexico is better than the States, why would they just stay there?
We're very lucky.
Canada and America for this time period are probably the greatest two countries in the world.
We still have a very good capitalist society.
And if you work hard, you can get ahead.
And if you screw up, there's social programs for you.
It's almost the perfect balance.
And if we don't protect it by protecting our economy and our future and our infrastructure to get our oils to market, we're going to be screwed.
And I don't know why they're trying to screw us so bad, but partially is because we're a very big country with a very small population.
And what we achieve, what we achieve with what we have is amazing, but we need to, we need to, never mind just explaining it to the world.
We need to believe it ourselves.
And we don't.
I think we need to explain it to some of our fellow Canadians.
Our fellow Canadians in British Columbia, our fellow Canadians in Quebec.
I think we haven't done a lot to educate them on how they benefit from a wealthy Alberta.
Now, Robbie, I want to give you a chance to tell everybody how they can find the work you do and support the work you do.
Because like I pointed out, most of this, most of the advocacy you do is out of pocket.
It's real simple.
Go to oilsoundstrong.com and buy two shirts and a hoodie and then make sure to wear it at your government, local government building like the Senate and get your picture taken.
That's fantastic.
Robbie, thank you so much for coming on the show and we'll talk again soon.
for having me premier jason kenney said it best when he responded to the busy bodies at amnesty international this way He said Amnesty International used to actually fight for releasing prisoners of conscience.
Now it's fighting to protect foreign-funded billionaires from transparency when they're funding a campaign to landlock Canadian energy.
Kenny also said Amnesty International should be more concerned about the world's use of oil from countries with poor human rights records like Saudi Arabia and Russia instead of Canada.
Well everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
I'll see you back here in the same time, in the same place next week.