Robbie Picard of Oil Sands Strong argues the Liberal government’s approval of the $12.2B Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion in 2019 was election-driven politicking, clashing with their "climate emergency" rhetoric and tanker ban. He dismisses critics like Sephora Berman—who served on Alberta’s Oil Sands Advisory Committee under Rachel Notley’s NDP but opposed the pipeline—as lacking integrity, framing opposition as ideological rather than climate-focused. Picard warns delays could trigger economic collapse, job losses, or even Alberta separation, while criticizing climate bills C-69 and C-48 for stifling energy growth. He calls for a public inquiry into foreign funding against Alberta’s oil sector, halted by Justin Trudeau after Stephen Harper’s efforts, and insists pipelines are vital for national prosperity despite global green energy failures. [Automatically generated summary]
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Kinner Morgan's Trans Mountain Pipeline Project has been approved one more time, but the Liberals also say we're in a climate emergency and they've instituted an oil tanker ban.
I think the Liberals are pushing and pulling to try to stave off the conservatives in the 2019 federal election.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
How have these concerns environmentally changed your own behavior?
Okay, well, first of all, like I've always used tap water.
I've always thought bottle water was sort of stupid.
So that's a tough sign.
But if I could just respond to a little bit of what she says, I come from a community that has been attacked over and over again because of the oil sands.
The word tar sands, which is used all the time in a derogatory way, dirty oil, blood oil.
And I watch a lot of these environmentalists not practice what they preach.
In other words, flying over the world.
One environmentalist that I know has been to Europe 13 times and that's just Europe and bragging about how she's saving the world but done absolutely nothing herself.
I'm very concerned.
I was actually watching about the Green New Deal and I saw Ariel Duranger in, but she's one of the people who helped write the Green New Deal and she says that there's tons of holes in it and this is coming from somebody.
The Green New Deal terrifies me because there's all this fear and this war on fossil fuels I think is stupid.
It doesn't matter what type of energy you're doing.
Okay, but we are having a debate here and I think we like, I think you both made very good points about the pipeline and about some of the policies that are in place.
But I do want to hear from you guys just about your daily lives because we have voters out there.
You got the tap water.
That was CBC completely underestimating my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sands Strong.
They did it in real time by putting him on a Sunday panel with the CBC's experts on climate change and Canadian oil and gas policy.
One of CBC's experts is a musician based in Toronto who started off the show by describing herself as being the same age as the climate crisis and who compassionately musiciansplained to us Albertans that the rest of the country, like her Torontonian cohorts, can just help us get off the fossil fuels the way they have, I guess.
And the other fellow on the panel was a student in Halifax who looks like he probably needed to do a load of laundry and says that he tries to recycle because smarter environmentalists than him told him to.
The whole interview is 11 minutes long.
It's on the CBC website if you want to see the whole thing, and I recommend that you do.
It's sort of fun to watch Robbie Picard roll those two know-nothings up in a rug and toss them in the ditch.
But if you are an empathetic person, you'll start to feel bad for them about halfway through the interview.
That is, until you remember, like I did, how these two want all of us unemployed or working on the wind farms of the future.
So that's a fun little bit, but there's a lot going on in energy politics in Canada right now.
Jason Kenney has announced the war room to debunk some of the misinformation floating around out there about Canada's ethical oil and gas industry.
But Canada's Environment Minister, old yeller, Catherine McKenna, has shrieked her way into convincing the House of Commons that Canada is in some sort of climate emergency.
And Justin Trudeau has approved the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project one more time, just in time to try to save his ass in advance of the next federal election.
So joining me today is the only knowledgeable person on that CBC Sunday panel, my friend Robbie Picard, in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon.
So joining me now to talk about all the new developments, good and bad, on the energy and energy politics front is my friend Robbie Picard in Fort McMurray.
Hey, Robbie, thanks for joining me.
Thanks for having me as always.
Now, I wanted to talk about something that was a little bit exciting for you personally and me peripherally because I was excited for you.
And that was that you introduced the Jason Kenney Energy War Room.
Can you give us a brief synopsis of what that was like for you and what exactly the war room is supposed to do?
So it was a great honor to be asked to open for our premiere.
I quite enjoy doing it.
I wanted to be authentic and also direct.
I wanted to kind of echo the sentiment that's been going on in Fort McMurray and in my community.
At the same time, as far as what it is, I still don't know.
I'm not part of the war room at this moment.
And I don't know anything other than what I've experienced there.
And what I experienced there was a mass amount of people that were part of different organizations that we all shared the common goal and the same frustration about what's been happening to our energy sector.
And that was really nice to see.
And it wasn't, I mean, there was some corporate stuff there, but it was a lot of really grassroots organizations like myself that have been fighting and fighting and fighting.
So considering I'm kind of like the OG in that, it felt good.
And we felt hope for the first time in a very long time.
It wasn't like, it wasn't a negative feeling.
It was like, wow, finally, we can actually get somewhere in regards to this battle that we're fighting.
Now, from what I understand, the energy war room, a lot of what they are going to do will involve debunking some of the, I wouldn't even say they're common misconceptions, but the more pervasive misconceptions that people who oppose pipelines and energy development hold, you know, with regard to what happens on the ground in Fort McMurray and what happens when you build a pipeline and what happens on a drilling rig.
I think it'll be a battleground of information to deal with some of the disinformation on the other side.
Sephora Berman Controversy00:09:27
I think this is good and long overdue, but you got a lot of blowback for the tone you took when you announced Jason Kenney.
And I think it is completely undeserved.
So yeah, I did.
I got a little bit of blowback because I held up a poster with Sephora Berman's face on it and it said Sephora Berman enemy of the oil sands.
But I was actually kind of thinking about that after and Shadowing Magazine said that she was the biggest enemy of oil.
So I mean, like, this is not nothing new for Sephora Berman to be called enemy of oil and gas.
I mean, that's kind of how she's made her substantial living over the past 15, how many years?
So, no, I think...
Let me just interrupt you there.
I think she would probably describe herself as that.
Yeah, well, that's it.
It wasn't that much of a stretch.
My point of talk, she's a public figure.
She was on the Oil Sands Advisory Committee.
And other than, I think her and that Karen lady, they were very, yeah, they were very actively against the pipeline while they were on the Oil Sands Advisory Committee.
And that to me, you know, I know a lot of people on that committee and I don't agree with all of them, but you've never seen me attack them because, you know, they did their job and I think they did it with integrity.
I questioned Berman's integrity on that and many other issues.
Yeah, I mean, Sephora Berman was sitting on the oil sands advisory group, you know, sitting there to decide the fate of the oil sands, including an emissions cap that would essentially act as leave it in the ground legislation while simultaneously organizing against Trans Mountain on the ground in British Columbia.
So she's being paid by Alberta and organizing against us in British Columbia.
And I think you're right to call her out.
I think part of the problem, or I shouldn't say problem, but I think some of the blowback you got, and you didn't get blowback from normal people, anybody concerned with Alberta's economy, you got blowback from activists and activist journalist types.
I think some of that is because they made the connection between Berman sitting on the oil sands advisory group and the fact that Rachel Notley hired her to sit on the oil sands advisory group.
And they saw that as an attack on Rachel Notley, someone that a lot of these people are still very loyal to.
So I don't think it was about you.
You didn't say anything wrong.
You didn't do anything wrong.
What you did was absolutely the truth of the matter.
But I think those people who were upset for you making that point, it's because it really had nothing to do with you.
I think it had a lot to do with the fact that Berman really was a proxy for Rachel Notley's energy policy for four years.
So what I find I find this kind of funny because there's people that when Notley was premier, I was very nonpartisan and I took a lot of heat on my pages.
When Notley did something that I thought was in support of oil sands or oil and gas, I shared it and I still do.
So my message to them is real simple is that if you want to be angry at someone, be angry at Sephora Berman.
I mean, she, in my opinion, betrayed them.
And if you wanted to play that argument, like, I mean, what did she Notley asked for a few small things from the environmentalists like Micadema and Sephora Berman, and they didn't give an inch.
And, you know, and everyone said they'll never give an inch.
They'll never give an inch.
no such thing as social license and Berman proved that to be accurate.
I mean, Notley put her in a position that she never would have got ever in the history of Alberta and she couldn't just let us have one pipeline.
So that tells you something.
So their anger is definitely misdirected.
And candidly, some of the, like, I mean, the way they, some of them were attacking me, it blew me away because when Notley was premier, they were praising me for saying the same thing.
I went after Sephora Berman for months.
I went after Sepora Berman while I was standing on the legislature with the NDP on my right and the conservatives on my left.
So candidly, I mean, I'm not sure what their issue is, but I am getting tired of a lot of people in Alberta who are against oil and gas, but somehow still make a fortune talking about it.
Isn't that the truth?
I wonder what Sephora Berman's speaking fees are these days.
Now, I wanted to ask you about some other energy news.
Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline project has been approved one more time.
I think this is the second time.
I wonder if it'll take three times before there actually ends up a shovel in the ground.
Now, the Liberals say that they should be breaking ground this summer, but they said we should be breaking ground a couple summers ago.
Give me your honest assessment.
Do you think this pipeline will get built under the liberals or was this reannouncement of the Trans Mountain Pipeline approval just politicking in the lead up to an election when the Liberals are behind in the polls?
Did I stomp you?
No, but I need to actually think about what I'm going to say because I'm finding myself in such an interesting position right now because, look, we need this pipeline.
This is not, this is bigger than a temporary time in our political history because politics will constantly change.
This is a nation-building thing.
And it's honestly, it's our last shot.
So if we don't get this pipeline, well, then you'll see a whole new Canada.
And from what I'm hearing from people that, business people here in Alberta that I know, no one's happy.
And there's people talking about separating.
There's people talking about joining the states.
And I hope and I'm praying that we all put our differences aside and just get this pipeline built.
It's twinning an existing pipeline that will benefit all of us.
And I think once the pipeline's built, I think once it actually builds and starts flowing oil, I think you'll see a lot of Canadians like, oh, that wasn't a big deal.
And then you'll see commerce come back.
I can't, I mean, my activism has been very nonpartisan and not like, I'm not perfect at it.
I mean, I can't stand Elizabeth May or the new NDP leader guy.
And I'll go after them.
But for the most part, I've been very, very good at being a partisan.
So I'm so, I'm just a pipeline advocate and I want to see this pipeline get built and I'm willing to work with anyone.
So I hope that it was more than just for the votes.
I'm blown away that we can't see eye to eye on this on this project.
So I'm hoping that it gets built and I'm hoping that the rest of Canada wakes up to that.
Here's why I think it's just shameless politicking.
And I think it's really egregious that the liberals, in my opinion, are selling hundreds of thousands of people on false hope just for elections purposes.
I guess it has to do with just a couple days before they declare a climate emergency.
And then a couple days after, the founder of Equitaire, so a Tides-funded anti-oil sands lobbyist, was nominated as a liberal candidate in Quebec.
So I think while there's a lot of talk happening, I think the Liberals' actions speak a lot louder than their words.
And at the end of the day, I feel like this is probably just going to get tied up in court again.
At that end, the next thing I wanted to talk to you about was, you know, one of the reasons I don't think the Liberals are all too serious about actually building Trans Mountain is that then they also passed Bill C69 and C48.
So that's the tanker ban and basically turfing the NEB in favor of some sort of social justice rules for pipelines.
Sorry, depressing.
I know.
I know.
So I'm hopeful of one small thing.
And I've been thinking about this a lot, how to approach it, what to do, what not to do, what to say.
I'm hoping that once the Trans Mountain pipeline gets built, that they will have a change of heart and they'll understand that they need the revenue from that pipeline.
And they reverse those two decisions.
I think, you know, if you look at the code to access pipeline, and I mean, like, you want to talk about plastic pollution.
I mean, look at the sewer those environmentalists left over there.
I mean, it was plastic, garbage, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And, but fast forward, the garbage has been cleaned up by oil workers.
Plastic Pollution and Pipeline Paradox00:05:23
And the pipeline, it's beautiful.
It's flowing oil and they're making money.
And I would argue that pipelines have very low climate impact.
Technology is getting better all the time for less emissions.
There is no green energy.
Every form of energy has a cost and a consequence from windmills to solar.
Solar in particular, I mean, all these environmentalists and human rights activists don't care about little children that are mining earth metals trying to build batteries for their cars and stuff.
So, I mean, I really hope we collectively grow up.
And I did an interview on CBC the other day.
And I was just going to ask you about that.
Oh, God.
You know, it was an axe murdering and it wasn't fair putting you on the panel with those kids.
Anyways, go on.
Okay.
So what I learned from that, though, and I mean, yes, I was expecting, I was expecting to go someone like Sapor Berman, and I didn't.
And that's fine.
But what I was blown away is like the young guy that I was talking to.
And I'm going to blame our generation for something.
So I'm not going to say millennials, but I'm going to say like I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'm up there.
So 20 years younger than me.
I'm 41 years old.
So 20 years younger than me.
And people that my age had kids kind of in their younger time, we really screwed up our kids in a lot of ways.
Because when he said, like, well, you know, I'm not doing enough and I need to do more and I'm thinking of giving up bottled water.
It made me really think, like, you don't know what it's like to go.
Like, you actually think going to Costco and buying a case of water is normal.
And we raise that, our kids this way.
Like that there was no, like, I mean, bottled water, I think you were telling me this too.
That was for rich people.
You know what I mean?
And I don't drink bottled water often.
I'm not going to say like I'm at an event.
I don't, but I don't buy it.
I drink tap water with a lot of lemon.
I am guilty of like, I like bubble water.
So like I will buy like, you know, Perrier or whatever.
But as a rule, I don't buy heaps of bottled water.
Me that is such a waste.
You can filter it, you can put a lemon in it and it comes from the same source.
But we have these, this generation now, that they're kind of clueless about everything.
They think that they don't understand how food comes, they don't understand there's an impact to everything.
So, like you, they have this notion that they can somehow fix all the problems by boycotting this and boycotting that.
But when it comes to the things about survival, like steel and you need plastic, no matter what, plastic is never going to go away um, and I would argue, the plastic in the, in the ocean, it's not from us.
I mean, I just did.
I've been doing all these videos on pipeline videos because they're so scary.
And I go to these pipelines and the other day I was at a pipeline and I found one piece of plastic one, and I was even scared of pan, oh no.
And and you go to these other countries that don't have fossil fuels, don't have natural gas, don't have a stable energy source from fossil fuels, and the garbage is pouring into their waterways.
They, so they're not.
This, this plastic problem is not.
I mean, i'm not saying that we don't contribute to it, but it's so easy to solve by people changing their behavior.
And I I i'm, I really think we like, if we don't all grow up soon and learn that we have to figure out how to work together, we're going to destroy what we have and and society right now is pretty good, is pretty good life that we live, all of us as bad as we think we have it.
That kid at Halifax University I mean he's his biggest scare in life is like, oh, do I drink bottled water or do I have to go for tap water?
I mean the fact that that's a problem.
I mean there's countries that don't have any access to clean water at all.
There's countries that have to have bottled water to survive because there's so much pollution, because they don't have proper sewage.
I mean I, I was just reading too about like um, if you throw a little bit of sewage in the ocean, it's not the end of the world.
But uh Victoria, they don't, I don't think they have a water filtration system and they dump all of their raw sewage in the ocean over and over again.
That is massive amount of impact of all kinds of disease, like birth control and and shit and all the other stuff that goes in there and we're, we're.
We have potential to really solve each other's problems if we work together and we're fighting over something that really doesn't make a difference.
You could shut off Canada's oil and gas tomorrow and it would make no dint.
No dint in what happens to the rest of the world, because China and India and the United States' emissions are so much more than ours.
But what it would do is it will destroy our economy, it'll destroy our democracy and yes, it's really great when governments are running deficits and they temporarily boost the economies, but eventually that catches up.
So this generation that doesn't understand that water comes out of a tap is going to really pay a price if we don't treat all of our energy with some urgency and importance that it deserves.
Canada's Economic Dilemma00:11:58
Sorry no, that's great.
Um yeah, going back to that um comically, I mean, it was the panel was comical for sure.
At one point, though, when I was watching that panel that you were on on the CBC, I did have to stop it because I felt like it was going too poorly for the people that were on the panel with you.
I felt a little bad.
But then I remembered that they want to put my family out of work, your family out of work.
They want to shutter Fort McMurray.
And then I didn't feel so bad.
But I mean, they, these young, I mean, it really is the younger generation, but they have been led astray by our generation.
That, I mean, they hear things like the Green New Deal and immediately adopt it as a good idea because it has a good title.
But as you evidenced in that panel discussion that you did with the CBC, a lot of these people have never even read it.
And I think that's one of the great things about our side of the pipeline debate: look, we're reading our material, we're reading the facts, we're reading their stuff too, and they aren't really reading anything.
Well, you know, and that surprised me because I wanted to delve into that because I've been studying the Green New Deal and I watch all of their Facebook lives that they do.
And there's so many holes in it.
They're infighting amongst each other.
It's based on this, based on this system that they don't agree on.
And it's full of holes and flaws.
And one guy's like, you know what?
I only want to work three days a week.
I don't want to have an overproductive lifestyle.
And that's why I support the Green New Deal.
And you know what?
Hats off to you, buddy.
If you, if you like, and I'm not totally against that.
If you want to find a cheap way to live, if you want to find a cheap way to live and you don't need to hustle, like I have to hustle.
I work every day.
When I take days off, it's when I burn out and I literally can't move that happens.
So, but that's my choice.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, and that's what I love about our society.
Like, I mean, realistically, if you don't want to work a whole time, you really don't have to.
And if you want to work a lot, you can have a lot.
And what it really is, it's not, I don't think it has anything to do with climate change.
It has to, it's this way to push this bizarre type of socialism.
And I don't think people understand what that means.
Like, they think everyone's going to have free everything for a bit, sure.
But what happens is the smarter people and not even smarter, people that are more privileged, like trust fund babies, people that get put in these positions and so on, they'll end up being in control and they live really good lives and everyone else sort of becomes their worker bee and it's a trap.
And so, like, I mean, the Green New Deal to me is not about tons and tons of solar pounds, but boring a ton of money to reconfigure the whole country for socialism.
And if you look at AOC, and I mean, and I'll give her some credit.
She's got some good sound bites.
But if you, if you watch a whole, if you watch a whole interview with her, I think she'll be a really good politician when she grows up 10 or 15 years from now.
But I don't think she really knows very much about anything.
And it's scary to me that that's the role models because I don't remember like when I was younger, I always try to find role models that are far more intelligent than me, successful, not some glorified person that has very little experience.
And I'm not going to knock her experience as a cocktail waitress or a bartender.
Yes, you can be a cocktail waitress or a bartender and become prime minister or a part-time substitute teacher.
It's been done.
But is that the right choice?
Let's compare Justin Trudeau to Mark Garneau.
I met both of them, okay?
Mark Garneau, educated, astronaut, experience, wealth, Trudeau, wealth, trust fund, good looking, famous name.
Now, if it boiled right down to figuring out what, like, I mean, it's it sucks because dynamic people tend to get elected.
Like, I mean, Stephen Harper, one of the greatest prime ministers in my lifetime.
I also think John Kretchan was a great prime minister, and I like Paul Martin.
It's too bad the infighting of Paul Martin and John Kretchan destroyed them.
But that being said, Stephen Harper, I mean, he's not, even his new Prager videos, I mean, they're great, but he lacks a lot of charisma.
You know what I mean?
But what's up here?
What's the mind that determines how policy should work for everybody that understands that an emotional intelligence is great, but that doesn't build the systems that we require for society to be equal and to have prosperity for everybody.
So these kids that looking at this Green New Deal, they really got to like step back a little bit and realize that this is not the answer.
Second of all, you know, this so-called green energy, I mean, it's destroying a lot of countries.
A lot of countries are going back to coal.
Like, there's a lot, it's not really working overall.
It works in some situations, but don't rip apart.
We are honestly, if we actually grew up in Canada, and I'm confident, we have a lot of great ideas and we're more polite than the states.
But if we could grow up, what, 36 million people, the most resources, second largest country in the world with land mass.
And for the most part, we all get along.
If we could just say, hey, you know what?
There's enough for everybody.
Let's stop fighting all the time and build an amazing country.
We'd have more money than anyone else.
But we just don't, I don't know what it is.
Sorry, in regards to the war room, I do think we need a public inquiry.
Sorry, what?
No, no, no.
I think that's great.
I do think we need an examination into exactly what sorts of foreign monies have been funneled into Canada and then essentially used to target Alberta.
No one has, I won't, I don't want to say no one, because under the Harper Conservatives, they did try to examine these charities.
But Justin Trudeau squashed all those audits.
So it's nice to see that if indeed the war room is interested in looking at this, that they can sort of circumvent the feds on this and do our own inquiries and investigations and see if we can find exactly where that money's coming from and why.
Yeah.
So like my issue, like I we all know what's been done.
We know what happened with the Rockefeller Foundation.
And to me, because they're arguing about the amount of money that was spent recently and they're saying, well, they only spent a million last year.
I don't care if they spent 500 million or a million.
My point is, they came up with a very destructive plan called the campaign against the tar sands, which basically worked.
So we know that now.
It's really pathetic that it took us so many years to respond to it.
So I just want to know, like, even if it doesn't stop, at least we know what we're up against.
And that inquiry will bring all of that up.
So then you'll know and you'll question: well, wait a minute, this foundation is giving this person this much money.
And she's off to New York again to talk about financing.
I mean, one of the sad things is that I expose so much of them from their Facebook and social medias that they're posting less now.
But that's the arrogance that we were dealing with.
You know what I mean?
Like it was, it was insane.
Like the amount, like I've never seen anything like it.
It's like they fly off to, you know, well, we're fighting climate change in Paris.
Well, now we're in Australia.
Oh, we're in Athens.
Oh boy, they don't have bicycles here.
Okay, well, you flew on a plane to get there to that cat island.
Give your head a shake.
You're not a climate warrior.
You're an Instagram, Instagram diva.
Anyway, I'm trying to be more politically correct.
That being said, it's like, um, we that shouldn't, if it's if we can't stop it, then at least we should know about it.
You know, um, I mean, Sepora Berman being on the oil sands advisory committee be kind of like me being captain of the Rainbow Warrior.
Although that would be sort of appropriate, you know, because I'm gay and it says rainbow on it.
So is that like a big gay cruise ship?
I wonder, Robbie, um, how can people support you?
Because you do a lot of this activism that you do at Oil Sands Strong out of your own pocket.
What are some of the ways that people can find you, support you, maybe get one of those super cool t-shirts to help you do the work that you do on behalf of families like mine and hundreds of thousands of other Canadian families?
So go to oilsandstrock.com and order some shirts.
Order lots of shirts too, because when you order one shirt for 20 bucks, it ends up costing more to ship it.
So order like six shirts.
And then, and then watch what I'm doing on Facebook.
We've got, I'm going to be doing a new web series daily where I come on and I was calling it the Oil Sandstrong War Room, but now I think I'm going to change it.
But I'm working on that.
I think I'm going to start that next week.
And just yeah, just follow what we do or whatever.
And but right now it's t-shirt sales.
I might be doing like a Patreon or something in the near future.
It's hard because I run a marketing company too.
So I'm trying to, you know, trying to find everything, find ways to make it all happen.
But I am doing the best I can with what I have.
And going forward, if anything else, just share our post and understand too that my page has to be somewhat nonpartisan.
So when I post something that the other side does, don't lynch me.
Just take it, be a little bit be a little understanding that my main focus is to get the pipeline built.
And I do all I can to get the message out.
Great, Robbie.
Thank you so much for being generous with your time today.
And thank you for, like I said, going out there and just waging war for pipelines on behalf of families like mine because you do take a lot of heat for it.
And I don't think you deserve a lot of the hate that you get.
And you really do step into the fire every single day.
So, Robbie, thank you so much.
We'll have you back on the show.
As always, you're one of my favorite people on the entire face of the earth.
Thank you very much for having me on your show.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
Thanks, Robbie.
Now, I know some people might get a little uptight about Robbie going on the CBC.
We know how biased the CBC is, but I think Robbie should do CBC appearances every time they contact him.
He's out there fighting for us, but it's also important that he doesn't preach to the choir or try to waste his energy converting the already converted.
I like that he gets inside the CBC echo chamber and shakes it up.
And he shows everybody just how knowledgeable and smart and thoughtful our side of the oil and gas argument really is.
I think Robbie's a great ambassador for Alberta, even if it's on the CBC.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here at the same time in the same place next week.