Bernard Hancock, aka Bernard the Roughneck, recounts a pipeline protest in Regina’s -30°C winter, where union workers like Evraz plant employees—despite leadership backing for opposing parties—prioritized jobs over anti-oil policies. He praises Premier Scott Moe’s composure amid disruption and criticizes Justin Trudeau’s selective support for Western Canada’s energy sector, tied only to election cycles. Hancock warns that fringe rhetoric (Soros, treason, UN) risks alienating allies like unions and liberals, while his nonpartisan Roughneck Nation pushes for limited government, low taxes, and infrastructure fixes, ignoring ideological distractions. The movement’s focus on tangible issues—like Grand Prairie’s 40% oilfield job losses—could mirror the Yellow Vests’ fundraising success without resorting to violence. [Automatically generated summary]
The pro pipeline convoys have spread to Regina and I'm talking to someone today who was on the ground to see it all firsthand.
Joining me today is Rebel fan favorite Bernard Hancock and he is firing on all cylinders.
I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
As you know, over Christmas break and leading up to the Christmas break, I was covering the Pro Pipeline truckers convoys across Alberta.
And I was also covering the yellow vest protests that popped up in support of those convoys.
I spoke to truckers.
I spoke to protesters.
I froze in the cold.
But more importantly, I was there to tell the other side of the story.
And yesterday, one of these convoys converged on the legislature in Regina.
And then I saw that a familiar face was going to be there.
Now, you might know him as Bernard the Roughneck from some viral Rebel videos, but his real name is Bernard Hancock.
He famously took apart the anti-oil and gas rhetoric at a protest in Vancouver a few years ago.
And then he hand-delivered nearly 35,000 signatures in support of oil and gas exploration and pipelines in the form of an e-petition to the House of Commons.
And he did it all in his coveralls.
When I saw Bernard was going to be at that protest in Regina, I wanted to hear how it went from him.
And I wanted to pick Bernard's brain about a thousand other things that are happening in the news right now with regard to politics, with regard to oil and gas, to protests, to convoys.
Bernard's got a lot to say, and I'm giving him a place to say it.
So joining me tonight in an interview we recorded yesterday from somewhere on the road between Regina and Kindersley is Bernard Hancock.
So joining me now is somebody that I think we are all big, big fans of.
You might know him as Bernard the Roughneck.
He's joining me on the road from Saskatchewan.
Bernard, how are you doing and what were you up to today?
We were at the Saskatchewan legislature.
We had a rally in support of pipelines and it was attended actually by quite a few Saskatchewan politicians and I heard it was going down and I just had to be there.
I had never been to the legislature in Regina so we had a good rally.
Yeah, happened this morning.
You know, I'm really excited to hear that our two provinces are fighting the federal government's pipeline prohibition together.
Over the Christmas break, I was at a pipeline convoy in Lloyd Minster and it was purposeful.
They started it in Saskatchewan.
They drove it over to Alberta and they drove it back and it was to symbolize that despite what Alberta's government has to say about fighting the feds, the people are fighting against the federal government and for pipelines and I thought that was really great.
Why don't you tell us a little bit about what went down at the rally today?
Well, no, I think what you just made a mention of, that's a really important point because the problems we're dealing with getting our resources to market are political problems, but it's not politics that's going to solve the problem.
I think it's working people like you, me, and all the people watching right now at home getting involved in these things.
But yeah, it was an eventful rally, to say the least.
Unfortunately, I wasn't even able to say what I wanted to say because there was one protester there and she got really ugly and she was just screaming in people's faces.
But I like that guy, Scott Moe.
It was almost like he'd put some imaginary earplugs in and he just totally ignored her and gave an excellent speech.
But me, Sheila, I can't walk and shoot gum at the same time.
And if someone's screaming into my ear, it's very difficult to organize my thoughts to speak to the people.
But it was a good rally.
And you know, something that really warmed my heart was I seen both the Ironworkers Union and the United Steelworkers Union.
They showed up.
And that's something amazing because it's not just riggers that are showing up, you know, in support of these things.
It's not just oilfield trucking.
It's all Canadians.
Like right now I'm driving.
We just drove past Lumsden, Saskatchewan, and outside of Regina is the Evraz plant where the United Steelworkers have a lot of guys working.
That's where all the pipe for Trans Mountain is going to be manufactured, right?
These guys have an interest in it too.
There were many people there and it was 30 below.
So all those cosplay anarchists, hippie dorks, they're all home in their mom's basement.
They didn't have time to show up today because it was too cold.
There was one person that showed up, but she was extremely loud and extremely rude.
And unfortunately, I think the media is probably going to make her the center of the story.
You know, you raise a very interesting point.
The United Steelworkers were there in force because I think the union leadership very seldom represents the blue-collar guys who are actually working in the factories to build that pipe.
The union leadership often supports anti-resource development attitudes and parties, whereas the guys on the ground that flies directly in the face of what they're trying to do.
So like you, it warms my heart to see those guys there.
When I was in NISCU at the truck convoy, I also saw a pretty heavy union contingent there supporting the truckers.
So, you know, it's great to see these guys turn out.
Definitely.
And I mean, like, that's why guys got to go to CLAC, the scab union, because if they go to their legitimate union, there just isn't the work on the board, you know?
And then when they see someone like, say, Gil McGowan who goes before the National Energy Board submitting things in opposition to pipelines.
But of course, now that Ms. Notley's in support of pipelines, that guy changes his tune, man.
They're not fooling anyone.
But the workers on the ground, they're feeling it just like everyone else.
Pipe hitters, steam fitters, electricians, boilermakers, cladders, millwrights, plumbers, all these guys.
They want to work same as us.
And oil and gas is what runs Canada and in particular Western Canada.
So yeah, I was really impressed that such a strong union contingent showed out.
And that's going to be key for working class people to retake our spot and make sure that politicians are working for us and not the other way around like it currently stands.
You know, it's funny.
Now that you're talking about the union guys showing up, it sort of reminds me of what we saw with the election of Donald Trump, where those union-heavy states, the blue-collar union-heavy states where Hillary Clinton didn't campaign because she thought she had those votes in the bag, they shifted over to Trump because blue-collar people vote for jobs.
Doesn't matter what union they belong to.
Now, I wanted to ask you about this one random screamer and yeller that you're telling us about at the rally.
She was basically trying to deplatform people by being obnoxious, is that right?
Yeah, it was, I don't know, it was just so rude.
And I said, and it was funny because I said, like, I just looked at her and I was like, you're like school on a Sunday, no class.
And I just like shook my, that's actually, I said that during the speech.
And Trent Wetherspoon from the NDP is like, hey, come on, hey.
And he actually stood up for this lady and interrupted me when I was trying to talk.
And I wasn't able to speak because I was so mad.
She flustered me.
And like I said, I can't speak when someone's screaming in my ear.
And the other thing is the reason why she's so mad is Premier Mo, I guess, is signing agreements with the chief of her band to the potash industry to open up development where she is.
And I guess that was her big concern.
But if it wasn't potash, if it wasn't pipelines, it would be something else.
These are people who want to tear things down and break stuff and complain.
They don't build things because it's a lot easier to bitch and complain about something than it is to come up with a better idea or offer a better path for us to pursue or actually even enter into a discussion where both sides could come to some sort of a compromise.
So I think the best way to deal with those people is just to ignore them and do whatever measures you can take to prevent them from trying to hijack it like they did today.
But it wasn't hijacked because I think a lot of people were able to get off good things.
Denise Batters was there.
I love her.
Senator Denise.
Oh, yeah, she's a beauty.
She was talking.
You know, it was really good.
I was proud that people are willing to come out when it's 30 below out and stand there in the Colt Brandt.
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Man, you know, the guys who have all the heavy equipment, Brandt?
They were there.
They showed out.
Yeah, it was really good.
I got to meet some good people.
I love Flatlanders.
You know me.
I worked a little bit in Saskatchewan, you know, where the cows are fatter and the land is flatter.
But I like coming out to Saskatchewan.
And it's been so long since I've been here.
So, yeah, I'm really happy I came, even though it was kind of a gong show.
And yeah, it's just about building momentum at this point for the convoy going to Ottawa, the pipeline convoy going to Ottawa next month.
Now, I wanted to ask you a little bit about that.
Do you think that bringing that pipeline to Ottawa is going to change anything?
Or does that matter?
I mean, even if Justin Trudeau, for me, even if Justin Trudeau doesn't change his mind about this sort of stuff and take action, at least we stood up and tried to do something.
Well, I think the bigger issue is because, you know, all those rallies that happened, NISCU, Grand Prairie, Lloyd, Lethbridge, Red Deer, Calgary, Edmonton, Cold Lake, Bonneville, Bonneville, Slave Lake last Sunday, they don't care out east.
Maybe like the biggest one on NISCU maybe makes like 10 to 15 seconds in the Toronto news.
Yeah.
But if you come to Toronto and you shut down the 401, you'll get five minutes of national airtime.
If you go to Ottawa and you stand a rig on Parliament Hill, that will make national news.
And I think it's really important because I think, I mean, not saying that they're bought and paid off, but at the same time, you know, like you have to bring it right to their doorstep and make it so they have to report on you.
And Trudeau, he doesn't care about oil and the oil and gas industry.
And really, nothing's going to make him change his mind other than the prospect of losing an election.
And for us, the key is to go to all Canadians because we're all Canadian.
We all believe that people have the right to dignity of a job to go to that pays them a decent wage.
Everyone wants to work hard and you know, improve their lives.
So I think people in, like you say, in Ontario, in Manitoba, and in Quebec, and in the Maritimes need to see that this is a crisis.
And it actually, it's an existential issue for this country and for Confederation.
So I just, it will make a difference.
I think it'll turn people against Mr. Trudeau, and I hope they can see how callous and I think what a mendacious fop he is because it's just unacceptable.
And, you know, I respect his father in a way.
His father was very bad for Western Canada.
When his father said he was going to do something, he did it.
And his father didn't hide his feelings for Western Canada.
Remember the salmon arm salute, giving the middle finger to people at Salmon Arm Bc.
At least Pierre had the guts to give us a middle finger, whereas Justin comes out and smiles in our face while he drives a knife deeper into our back.
But I want to tell everyone, when we go out to Ottawa we also have to remember that Ottawa is an Alberta and we have to represent ourselves in a very legitimate manner and be respectful and be well-spoken and kind of mitigate the people in the fringes that could hijack this and make it about other things.
Like for real, I care about borders.
I care about, you know, our relationship with the UN.
Like, these are important issues.
But that's not the time or the place, Sheila.
This is about pipelines.
And we have to get people who might even be liberal, who might even be union guys who normally vote NDP, who are waking up, who are going to vote conservative parties or parties that give them a job to go to, you know?
But if we bring and we represent ourselves as a bunch of coops or a bunch of rednecks, they will never listen to us.
So we really need to be careful when we go out there and represent ourselves right.
You know, I do agree that there does be a need to be a unified message.
I'm just always cognizant of doing the mainstream media and the liberals work for them by discrediting good people.
And I know there are a lot of good people who are both in the yellow vest movement and of course with Canada Action and Rally for Resources.
And I do think they need to be one message when they show up on Ottawa's doorstep.
But I'm always resistant to painting, using the fringe to taint the whole.
I really, I just reject that as much as I possibly can.
And you made a really good point.
This isn't about the people in Quebec or the people in Ontario or the people in the East.
I generally think the people are with us.
They, like you pointed out, they know the dignity of a job and what the people in Alberta are really being robbed of by federal government inaction.
It's really a stonewall that's coming out of Ottawa.
And I think that dividing us from our friends in the rest of the country really serves no purpose whatsoever.
It actually plays right into the liberal hands.
No, but Sheila, I mean, you're speaking to the rebels' audience, right?
Yeah.
But like, we're talking about an audience of people who believe the mainstream media.
And that's like, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Absolutely.
The other thing is, like, why don't we wear coveralls instead of a yellow vest?
We don't wear yellow vests in the oil patch.
And I just wish they would come up with a better symbol.
They wouldn't just steal the symbol from the Gilets Jean and totally misrepresent what that's about.
Because if people from France came here and seen the type of people wearing yellow vests, they wouldn't be down with that.
And there's always people who want to piggyback on something people like myself have worked very hard for.
Like, I get it.
The issues yellow vests are bringing up are important, but the most important issue is the pipeline.
And we can't risk that by talking about Soros or talking about treason or talking about the UN.
Like, it has to be focused.
And we tried to deal with the yellow vests, but these people, they're just so singular-minded and they won't listen.
They just won't listen.
So, like, I get it.
There's nothing wrong with the yellow vest.
Wear the yellow vest if you like that, but it'd be a lot more cool if you could come up with your own original symbol, like a hard hat or like, you know, a pair of coveralls.
Yeah.
Like, come up with your own symbol.
Don't bite other people's styles.
You know, but yeah, no, I get what you're saying.
Don't, don't just like play the media's game.
Like, I'm not, they're not racist.
I'm not saying they're racist.
I'm saying they're people who are in terms politically, they're green.
They don't understand, and they're going to be the foil that Justin Trudeau needs to justify himself.
Whereas, if we don't allow our movement to be tainted by people who are going to say offensive things or like represent themselves in extreme ways to turn off Canadians, then Justin Trudeau has, because he says he supports the pipelines, right?
So I get it, Sheila.
It's not fair, but I don't care about what's fair because my buddy Brad the Roughneck, he only has worked six days in the last seven weeks.
So I don't care about Soros right now.
We need pipelines and we need people to turn against Justin Trudeau and elect a competent government.
And so I'm sorry I got to be a dick, but like I don't want yellow vest stuck.
This is pipelines.
This is the work that we've done for two or three years now.
You know, that we just, I normally wade into these protests to talk to the yellow vest people just to see what they have to say.
And I think it's really important for you to be saying these things because I think people need to see the balance.
And that's what we try to do here at the Rebel is take it.
You know, if you want to talk to us and tell us your point of view, we're more than happy to listen.
And I'd gladly give a platform to anybody who's willing to articulately express exactly what they want to say.
So I'm glad that you clarified that for me.
Now, I just heard that you moved to Grand Prairie.
What's it like in Grand Prairie?
It's been hit pretty hard, hey?
Oh, it's brutal.
Yeah.
Like I work on service rigs and you know, on that's probably the type of industry that's been hit the hardest because oil companies, they don't want to spend money to bring big iron out there.
They'd rather get a swab rig or coil tubing rig or a rod rig or something smaller that's cheaper with less guys.
And then if the scope of the job changes, get something else.
It's really bad.
And it's even worse than it was in 2016 because what seemed to have happened in Grand Prairie 2016 was bad.
So everyone left Alberta, went home wherever they came from.
Then we had a labor shortage when things picked up a little bit in 2017 and they were crying for guys, but the oil companies and CAODC wouldn't raise our rates.
So I was making like, you know, six, seven dollars less than I was making in 2014.
So they couldn't find enough people to come back.
Finally, they raised the rates.
Guys start coming back.
And then all this stuff with the differential and the political issues and Trans Mountain basically being a dog's breakfast that happened.
And now all these guys have come back and the work's gone.
And Grand Prairie, we need political representation that's going to stick up first and foremost for people who are working class people in the field.
Not the guys who are like in the office, in the boardroom, the people who are getting dividends off their shares.
We need people, number one, putting guys in the field, the forgotten man, guys like me.
We need representatives who stand up for those people first and foremost.
You know, and Grand Prairie is getting it coming and going because not only, you know, do they serve as a service hub for oil and gas in Alberta, but they also provide services to northern BC.
And they are having such a battle right now to get their LNG off the ground there.
It's really outside of the office towers in Calgary, I think these small towns and service hubs all across the prairies are really getting forgotten about.
Yeah, I'd say that's definitely true.
And this is like, you know, why it's so galling when I see Miss Notley on Twitter bragging about how she's made however many jobs, you know, like, sure, you can have a statistic that says you made these jobs, but if last month 10 fractors lost their jobs, guys who make $100,000 a year, and this month you gave 10 new jobs to new Canadians at Walmart, you're still on balance, way better off, or pardon me, way worse off.
You know, just because one job replaces another.
Well, what type of job was it?
What economic sector is it?
How much tax revenue is that contributing to the treasury?
You know, like, are these good jobs that are career jobs?
Are these, you know, jobs that people move on for?
They're for, say, young people, seniors, part-time work.
Like, and just politicians in general, even the ones that are fighting for us, those guys still make six figures, and those guys still get a fat check every two weeks and full benefits.
And it's just like, I don't know, it's extremely frustrating because, like, like I said earlier, like, the problem is politics, but the solution is not politics.
And politicians, I even think they're using this issue in a way to get votes.
I mean, both sides do it.
I mean, that's natural for politics.
But people are hurting, Sheila.
They're really hurting.
And especially in the small towns.
And we don't have the media to cover it.
So that's why I like coming on talking to you guys.
And like you said before, you talk to anyone.
I'll talk to anyone.
And say if I got some great job, I'm not going to say, oh, I'm embarrassed to come on the radio on the Rebel now.
You know, I used you guys when I needed you to get people behind me.
But now that I'm like running in the general election, I don't want to talk to you.
Like, man, come on.
You know, I love you for that.
Bernard, I wanted to ask you, what's Roughneck Nation and how do I become a citizen?
Oh, that's in the works.
First of all, it's hashtag R-U-F-F.
The real spelling was already taken, but R-U-F-F neck nation, roughneck nation.
And I got the idea kind of from Rob Ford, who's probably the man I hold in the highest esteem of any sort of politician I've ever known.
Because this is a guy who's a populist.
And this is the guy, his strongest voter demographic is low-income people in social housing in inner-city Toronto.
These are people who normally vote NDP liberal.
Why did they vote for Rob Ford?
Who you would classify as populist, center-right, conservative?
Because he gave a damn about them.
Because he returned their calls, because he fought for the issues like cleaning up drug dealers in the neighborhood or making sure garbage collection was done, like pedestrian issues that matter.
Like, and so that's why I want to, I want to take kind of that non-partisan, like, yes, it's conservative at its base, but I want, I also want something for people who, because guys on the rigs, man, they don't care about, they get home from work if their kids are still up.
They want to play with their kids.
Yeah.
They want to kiss their wife and sit down and talk with their wife about how their day went.
You know, like they don't want to get on the internet or on Twitter like political nerds like you and me.
You know, they're not political people.
So you have to give them a reason to buy in and want to get politically involved.
And if you can create a massive movement of people where they can be directed to either vote for or against certain issues and advocate for things, you can make a lot of effective change.
Because if I say conservative nation, well, immediately you've lost 60% of the people you could possibly appeal to.
Like I take an issue like in Grand Prairie, photo radar.
How many people in Alberta like photo radar?
I don't care if you're a communist.
Everyone hates photo radar.
And I remember Angela Pitt, who's the MLA for Airdrie when she was shadow justice critic there.
They wanted to table legislation that amended how Alberta regulated photo radar and municipalities, right?
Because it's being abused.
I want to see if she still wants to table that when, you know, the UCP forms government in a few months.
Because, I mean, we're broke.
We're going to need revenue somewhere.
But it's not fair to gouge people when you say, oh, it's about safety.
But it's not about safety.
It's about gouging people.
Well, this is an issue.
If you have a political network of people that can really push politicians and put pressure on them, then maybe we can do something about this.
You know what I mean?
But if you just trust what a politician's gonna tell you when they're appealing to their base, not when they're actually in power or when they need to win the general election, you're not gonna get anywhere.
So that's what I wanna do with Roughneck Nation.
I'm gonna get, I'm right, building a website right now.
I just sent my order off for my hard hat stickers.
We're gonna make t-shirts.
I'm gonna start up a YouTube channel.
I'm gonna write blog posts.
We're gonna have pictures from the rigs that people can share and from the oil patch so people can show what they're proud of.
What they do crazy stuff when they're working on the rigs.
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You know, like I want people.
It's like I go home to my family in Vancouver and I say, hey, like, yeah, someone's like, hey, what do you do at work?
What is rigging?
Have you ever tried explaining what a service rig does to someone in Vancouver?
Like, I'd like to get some respect because people who work in the oil and gas industry, we're the 21st century cowboys.
We're hard as nails and we're the salt of the earth.
And yet no one pays attention to us and we get soaked by the government.
So I want to create a movement where, you know what?
I don't care if you're a conservative.
You're not going to do what we say.
We're going to vote for someone else and we're going to kick you out of office because that's the only way politicians change is when they're worried about losing their job or they're desperate for your vote.
And I'll tell you something, me, if I ever do get into politics, one day they'll make lots of accusations about me and some of them might even be true.
You know, I'm a little rough around the edges.
But the one thing they'll never be able to say about me is I'm corrupt or that I need your vote.
I don't need any, I don't need anything from anyone.
I just have things that I want and things that I think would make our society a better place with limited government, low taxes, responsive public service, good healthcare, good schools, good roads.
But man, it's like if you vote NDP, it's big unions.
And if you vote UCP, it's big corporate boardrooms.
It institutes production cuts during a really bad recession.
And again, it's guys in the patch that take it and get Rochambeau.
But you know what?
It's like that's coming to an end because working class people in this country, something's happening right now.
And that's why I just thought, like, I want something nonpartisan.
I want to bring people together.
And I don't care if you're NDP, if you're UCP, Alberta Party, you know, like even a federal liberal.
There's good liberals out there.
Look at Martha Hall Findlay.
Sure.
Yep.
So let's stop these labels and let's talk about what we're for rather than being like that irate protester screaming what you're against.
Let's be smart.
You know, I think that's that's fantastic.
And I think I've also probably taken up enough of your time on the road and I'm probably gonna nail you with a whopping phone bill for being on Skype.
No, I don't care.
I got 10 gigs.
As soon as they had that 10 gig deal come out for like 70 bucks, I was all over like all over that.
But we're just coming into Chamberlain, Saskatchewan.
I'm on my way back to on my way back to Medicine Hat and Brooks.
And then we're going back up through Edmonton and I'll be back in Grand Prairie at the end of the week.
But straight up, just keep your eyes open.
And I know you'll be there to help us out.
But I mean, Sheila, I'll talk to the, I've talked to the National Observer.
I've talked to BBC Canada, Global CTV, even like small bloggers.
I'll talk to anyone because this problem right now is so bad.
I don't care.
100% of the Rebels' audience is pro-oil.
And so I don't care if what people are going to say about me.
And that's what your audience needs to do.
Stop caring what they say about you.
Do what you know is right.
And yeah, keep your faith because I think things are going to get better.
I think things are on the up and ups.
They've just let a genie out of a bottle and they're not going to be able to get it back in.
You know what?
That is a fantastic spot to leave the interview.
But Bernard, promise me, the second your YouTube page is up, I want to be the first subscriber.
The second you have t-shirts available, I want the first t-shirt.
The second you have hard hat stickers, I want 100 of them.
Promise me right now.
Oh, you have my word.
I'll come down there.
I'll come down there and hook you up fat.
I'll get you hooked up with a swag.
You betcha.
Okay, Bernard, please take care of yourself.
And I'm going to check in with you periodically because I feel like you have found your passion.
And everybody here at the Rebel, and I know our viewers at home, we're just cheering for you.
So I want to thank you.
I want to say hi to my father.
My dad wants to be at the Rebel.
So my dad, Rick.
Hey, dad, how's it going down there in South Sur?
Okay, thanks, Bernard.
You have a great rest of your day and safe travels home.
You too, Sheila.
God bless.
Thanks.
You know, it's always such a pleasure to talk to Bernard.
He- He's so scrappy and honest and authentic, and he isn't afraid to tell it exactly the way he sees it.
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His passion is real, and he's taken a lot of punches and attacks from the left and the mainstream media to advocate for Canada's oil and gas sector.
Now, I'm one of those people who thinks that the Yellow Vest protesters should be able to take their concerns to Ottawa whenever they feel like.
It's a free country, at least for now.
And the way the Yellow Vests were able to fundraise so much money so fast only speaks to how much their issues are resonating with a large portion of Canadians, despite what the mainstream media is trying to say.
And let me be clear: if death threats against the prime minister are showing up on Yellow Vest Facebook pages, that's terrible, but it's only an indictment of the person who wrote it and not the other thousands of people involved in their movement.
Political violence, of course, is a form of tyranny.
I know.
I've experienced it firsthand.
Now, I see both sides of this dueling convoy issue, and I'm willing to give both sides of the debate fair treatment.
Tell me your issues.
Air your grievances.
I'm listening.
I'll talk to anybody who's willing to talk to me.
And I think normal people have a lot in common once they actually start talking to each other.
Now, I love what Bernard is trying to do to advocate for the forgotten man and to make conservatism, like he says, a little more pedestrian and main street.
All politics are local, as the saying goes.
And sometimes our side of the aisle doesn't do a very good job of articulating that.
We're not great at talking about public policy in a real and tangible way.
Are your taxes going up, but your potholes aren't being fixed?
Did your mayor give himself a big fat raise, but your garbage isn't being picked up on time?
And are these politicians really talking about your issues or theirs?
Now, I'm rooting for Bernard as he tries to shape the conversation around real world problems and dinner table issues all of our families face.
And I'm one of Bernard's biggest fans and a proud member of Roughneck Nation.
Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
I'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week.