Ezra Levant Show (May 9, 2018)—David Menzies questions Doug Ford’s free speech pledge after he abandoned Tanya Granic-Allen, a conservative PC candidate, for her Islamophobic and homophobic remarks, while leniently accepting Andrew Lawton’s apology. Ford’s team also sidelined loyalists like Joe Warmington’s target, Meredith Cartwright, who faced scrutiny for liberal-aligned tweets and hired actors in debates. Replacement Natalia Kusandova, a nurse criticizing Ontario’s healthcare wait times, risks dismissal over her past as a Toronto Sun "Sunshine Girl." Ford’s instability—marked by elite appeasement and policy flip-flops—threatens conservative gains, turning Ontario politics into a chaotic spectacle. [Automatically generated summary]
The Ontario election campaign kicks off today, but come election day, I will not be voting for the PC party.
I'll tell you why.
It's May 9th.
I'm David Menzies, and this is The Ezra Levent Show.
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I'm David Menzies in for Ezra Levent tonight.
Well, say hello to Doug Ford, Ontario's new and improved free speech champion.
Oh, it's true, it's true.
The Ontario Progressive Conservative leader says that if he becomes Premier, he'll tie post-secondary funding to free speech.
And as casual viewers of our campus on mass segments know full well, free speech is increasingly under attack on campus by censor-happy leftist loonies.
Now, Ford's pledge is a boon for free speech advocates, to be sure.
Just think of Wilfrid Laurier TA Lindsay Shepard, who dared to show a clip of Jordan Peterson to her students.
That's all it took for the faculty to attempt to crucify her upon the altar of political correctness.
And while universities seem immune to criticism, they do care very deeply about that almighty buck.
So the threat of cutting provincial funding will indeed get their attention.
So three cheers for Doug Ford, a free speech crusader at last.
But wait a second, is this not the very same Doug Ford who just a few days prior to his new incarnation as a free speech advocate politically assassinated his own kingmaker for once upon a time exercising her free speech?
Yes, I speak of Tanya Granick Allen, a woman whose supporters put Ford over the top at the PC leadership convention in March by the slimmest of margins.
Without Tanya and her supporters, this party would now be headed up by Christine Elliott.
Tanya, of course, is a social conservative who has voiced her opposition to gay marriage and the Ontario sex ed curriculum.
And when the media party trained their sights on Tanya for making comments in the past that they deemed to be homophobic and Islamophobic, well, Doug was faced with a choice.
He could stand up to the criticism or he could capitulate.
And what did Mr. Free Speech do?
Well, think of what happens to a cheap lawn chair when someone who's circus fat decides to take a seat.
Tanya was cast aside like a leper merely for voicing a contrarian opinion.
And in a news release, Doug Free Speech Ford had this to say.
The Progressive Conservatives are, quote, a party comprised of people with diverse views that if expressed responsibly, we would respect, end quote.
Oh, really?
So when or when will Mr. Ford turf the PC candidate for Carlton, Goldie Gumeri?
Gumeri has allegedly gone by the alias the Persian cat in the past.
She's a recent convert to conservatism, being a lifelong liberal supporter, so much so that she once labeled Stephen Harper as a national embarrassment.
Oh, but wait, there's more.
How about this pole cat who has written on social media that Christianity is gay and that Jesus is worm food?
Are those diverse views the kind that you respect, Doug, that Christianity is gay and that Jesus is worm food?
If those aren't views that you respect, then why was Granick Allen thrown under the big blue PC bus while the odious Persian cat is embraced?
Look, I'm not saying that Granick Allen phrased her opinions in the best way possible, but how can the PC party give Gameri a pass under their diverse views logic?
And now Doug Ford reinvents himself as a free speech champion?
Oh, come on, give me a break.
And how do we even know he'll make good on this free speech promise as opposed to capitulating to the elites and the media party?
Remember how Doug told us he was all about grassroots nominations, only to appoint 11 candidates?
Some of them hardcore liberals, some of them being appointed for no other reason than nepotism.
Just like Doug promised he'd develop a portion of the green belt only to do such a stunning backflip on that pledge it would make a cirque de soy performer green with envy.
Quite frankly, I'm experiencing Ford fatigue.
I thought Doug was the new champion of Ford Nation, not the boy who cried wolf.
Now, Ford's apologists will say that he's essentially being held captive by advisors who are acolytes for Christine Elliott and Princess Caroline and even the disgraceful backstabbing weakling that was Patrick Brown.
So the question arises, is Ford frustrated by his own handlers or is he experiencing Stockholm syndrome?
Me thinks it's high time for Doug Ford to stop being Patty Hearst and to start espousing the philosophy of President Truman.
You know, the buck stops here.
You are the leader of the PC party, Mr. Ford, albeit by the grace of Tanya Granick Allen, who you so cruelly jettisoned last weekend.
Can you not rid yourself of your insidious inner circle?
After all, your real supporters, the province's beleaguered taxpayers, want Ford Nation, not Doug and the slugs.
Personally speaking, until I see Tanya Granick Allen reinstated, I'm done with this hijacking of Ford Nation.
I wonder how many other PC supporters feel the same way.
The PCs should be cruising to victory right now.
Instead, I fear they have opened up the door for the NDP to win by way of default.
Am I and other conservatives cutting off our noses in spite of our faces by withdrawing our support?
Well, perhaps, but I think of a 1987 film with a very forgettable plot, but an incredibly memorable title, Death Before Dishonor.
Imagine that.
Honor being so important to someone that even death is preferable to losing face.
But with the Ford PCs these days, it's not death that makes them blink.
It's merely the specter of bad publicity from the liberal elitists and the media party.
How odd.
A few weeks ago, Premier Kathleen Wynne, in a move that smacked of political desperation, compared Doug Ford to Donald Trump.
Oh, if only.
It has been estimated that about 90% of media coverage regarding President Trump has been negative, and yet his popularity continues to increase.
You think Trump cares about the nattering nabobs of negativity?
Not when new jobs are being created every day and the unemployment rate continues to plummet.
Doug Ford is no Donald Trump.
In fact, Doug Ford isn't Rob Ford, someone who would have had nothing to do with this ongoing betrayal of Ford Nation.
Come June 7th, looks like I'll be declining my ballot.
And really, what other choice do I have?
Well, there you have it, folks.
The reasons why, as it stands now, I just can't vote for the PC party on June 7th.
I just can't.
But most Conservatives in Ontario feel anybody but Wynn is indeed the approach to go.
And joining me now to, I guess, try to change my mind is Catherine Swift, a representative for working Canadians.
Welcome to the show, Catherine.
Thank you, David.
Well, you heard what I had to say.
You know, I am a big booster of Ford Nation.
I've been a big backer of the Fords.
But I'm sorry, Catherine.
I've seen one promise after another broken even before Doug Ford gets into office.
And then I saw, quite frankly, the betrayal of the woman, Tanya Granick Allen, that put him in the office.
Without her, it's Christine Elliott, who's the leader of the PC party.
I just can't support a party that's doing these kind of backflips even before it gets elected.
I understand what you're saying for sure.
I guess I've been in this sort of small P political business.
They're not so much partisan as public policy and whatnot for many decades now.
And frankly, we all have to compromise, unfortunately.
And I think it's a matter of sort of looking at the ledger.
Where's the cost?
Where's the benefits?
You know, where's the positives?
Where's the negatives?
I think there's no question Ford has made his mistakes.
I guess at this stage of the game, however, frankly, David, I would vote for my dog before I would vote for either Wynne or Horvath.
I just feel at least my dog would do no harm.
And both of them with their platforms, it kills me how the Liberals and the NDP, and not just in Ontario, as we know, they have all these ideas about how to redistribute wealth.
They haven't a clue how to generate it in the first place.
And of course, the Ontario Liberal and NDP platforms are full of that kind of philosophy.
But so I mean, there's no question there's been backtracking and so on.
I think part of it is Ford's personality.
He is a bull in a china shop.
And maybe the bull needs a few smacks upside the head to make him realize he can't just wing it off the cuff.
In the case of Tanya Granick Allen, I think that maybe they should have done more work.
She did say some pretty appalling things a number of years ago.
And these days, as you know, something you said 20 years ago can easily come back to haunt you, given technology and everything else.
So I guess my question is, maybe she shouldn't have been a candidate in the first place, not given the, you know, appointed as the nominee and then later had to retrench that decision.
But you know, Catherine, you raised an interesting point.
When it comes to the vetting of candidates, how far back do we go?
I mean, for goodness sakes, do we go back to somebody's comments in a yearbook, for example?
And that's not really an abstract example.
People were pointing out what was in Bill Murnau's yearbook commentary.
And I'm no Bill Murnau fan, but I wouldn't hold that again.
I mean, come on, we were all goofs in high school.
And so the idea that you said something 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago, and perhaps even in jest, and perhaps even being an entertaining broadcaster, if you will, in the case of Andrew Lawton, are you supposed to wear that forever and that kills your political career before it even begins?
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Well, it's a very good question.
And it's true, it isn't fair.
But as we know, life isn't fair.
And also, as we well know, conservatives are held to a way higher standard than liberals ever have been.
And we've seen all kinds of appalling behavior over the years.
Lately, it's the whole Me Too movement.
And we've seen people in every party nailed with that.
And yet, it seems when it happens to be a conservative, it occupies the headlines for a lot longer than even more egregious acts committed by, say, liberals or NDP or whoever.
So it isn't fair, but it does seem to be the way of the world.
And if you want to be elected in this day and age, I think you have to be careful.
I'm sure Andrew Lawton's coming out relatively recently was a preemptive strike because he undoubtedly realized there was some stuff on the record that wouldn't necessarily look too good.
But yeah, it's not fair.
It's not fair, David.
But again, in our world where we all get nitpicked to death for every little perceived slight, even if it isn't really a slight, I just think if you want to be in public office, you got to play by the wacky rules that are there.
But you know, and speaking of Andrew Lawton, Catherine, I mean, Andrew Lawrence's a good man.
I consider him a friend.
He used to be with rebel media.
And yet, I think in a way it was a disservice what he did when he was basically putting a blanket condemnation on comments he made over an eight-year period, subscribing it to the mental illness struggles that he was going through, which were legitimate, by the way.
But it was almost like he's giving a gift to the opposition and the media party that, hey, if you have conservative values, you know what?
These are symptoms of mental illness.
Well, frankly, given the importance of the whole mental illness issue and the priority it's been deservedly given more recently than it has in the past and by all political parties, I think they'd have a real hard time doing that because they would look like hypocrites, on the one hand, saying you shouldn't be ashamed of having a bout of mental illness, on the other hand, saying it's despicable if you do.
But again, this is the world we live in.
And we can deny it.
We can say it's unfair.
And it is.
But to pretend it doesn't exist is foolishness.
And again, as a conservative, you've got to know the microscope is going to be focused on you much more closely.
And I think in Doug Ford's case, I mean, what I hope, because I do believe personally, and I haven't always voted conservative, just for the record.
I've been in a few different places over the years.
But I do believe under the current circumstances that the Conservative Party is the best choice for Ontario.
It's not just a Doug Ford party.
Let's not forget about that.
Why Not Conservative?00:04:59
Christine Elliott is the candidate in my riding, actually.
And I've been out canvassing with Christine a few times in the last couple of weeks.
And she's a solid, pragmatic, very lovely lady, has a lot of good policy ideas.
So I think, again, that, you know, people looking at this shouldn't just see it as the Doug Ford show.
They should see it as a bunch of fairly, you know, a bunch of quite experienced people and some newbies as well, naturally, who have a pretty decent track record in opposition and deserve to be given a chance in government.
And I mean, I don't know who you're going to vote for, David, if you say you don't think you can vote for the Conservatives.
Is there a Rhino party running in Ontario?
I'm not aware of that.
Well, for the second time in my life, I might have to indeed decline my ballot.
But you know, I don't think I'm the statistical anomaly.
Just today, Catherine, an Ipsos poll came out and get a little bit.
74% of Ontarians say they wish there were different party leaders than the ones currently on the ballot.
What does that tell you?
Well, I've said for some time, and by no means just pertaining to Ontario, where are the leaders in politics around the world?
I see the U.S. Obama was a fiasco.
I'm not a Trump fan, although his tax reduction policy I think will bear fruit for the U.S. Around the world.
We look at Mr. Thug Putin electing himself, frankly, for his fourth term.
We see weak or tyrannical or both leaders in so many places.
And this is, you know, our political leaders are super important.
I mean, our national leader is a laughing stock in many, many ways here in Canada.
And it's a great question.
I don't know the answer to it.
But why aren't really quality people coming out for politics in so many, you know, so many situations?
Maybe it just seems perhaps it's the attacks they face by the media party, especially in this day and age where your past, every element of your past is being dredged up and you're being crucified on it.
One last question, Catherine.
The whole, whether we're talking about Doug Ford or the Progressive Conservative Party in general, there's been so many flip-flops.
You know, Doug flip-flopped on partial development of the greenbelt issue.
He promised grassroots nominations.
He did 11 appointees and some of those appointees out of nepotism and some of those appointees, hardcore liberals.
Then he got rid of Tanya Granick Allen and so on and so forth.
I just think that you are, of course, a fiscal conservative, but how can one believe they're going to go through with the fiscal promises if this is the track record?
I hearken back to Paul Martin, who was a pretty good finance minister, but once he became prime minister, his flip-flopping earned him the nickname Mr. Dithers.
And once you have that as a nickname, it's over.
Time will tell.
Obviously, my crystal ball is no clearer than anyone else's.
But I tend to try to look at facts.
And the facts would suggest to me that a re-election of this Liberal government would be a total fiasco for the province in every respect, fiscally, socially, and humanly, because people are not thriving under the Liberal government by a long stretch, except for liberal insiders, naturally.
And when I look at that NDP platform and think of other NDP governments over the years in Canada, I can't go that way either.
So I think, again, you're right, nobody's perfect.
There are flip-flops, unfortunately.
I think it's a rare person in politics that has zero flip-flops.
I certainly can't think of any.
But naturally, you would try to strive for that.
Again, I don't know how we can do any worse.
My dog isn't running at the moment, although I've tried to encourage her.
And so it's a best option among a number of imperfect ones and some horrific ones.
Well, Catherine, we'll have to wrap it there.
For now, I kind of get a vibe of 1990.
As you know, that's when the NDP went up the middle and formed the government.
And to this day, I still haven't met one person who admits to voting for the NDP in 1990.
Neither have I.
But thank you so much for weighing in.
Much appreciated.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And folks, after the break, Joe Warmington, the scrawler from the Toronto Sun, he drops by to take on the fake conservatives who are weaseling their way into this PC party.
Stay tuned.
Welcome back.
I'm David Menzies, Infor Ezra Levant.
Well, it's been an exciting lead up to the Ontario election, especially for the PC party.
But with all the drama, I'm not so sure with some of the candidates who got through.
Take Meredith Cartwright, for example.
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She's the candidate that was appointed for Toronto Center.
But hang on a second.
Let's rewind to 2007, where she ran against Bob Ray for a liberal candidate in Toronto Center.
Well, Cartwright made news for all the wrong reasons when it came out that she actually hired actors to rally at the Ontario leaders debate on Monday.
But there's more to Cartwright's past than that.
And joining me now to discuss this is Toronto Sun columnist Joe Warmington, the scrawler.
Joe, Ezra.
Oh, hopefully.
If only.
If they'd told me Menzoid was doing a show, I wouldn't have come.
Story of my life.
As you know, Joe, you've been covering the leadership campaigns and as we go into the Ontario election now.
Doug Ford has said time and time and time again that unlike the dark Patrick Brown days, we would be holding to grassroots nominations.
And then last month he did 11 appointees.
I think that was the insult.
The insult to injury is that some of those appointees are there, as far as I can tell, by way of nepotism.
And some are hardcore liberals that make absolutely no sense that they're on the PC ballot.
Meredith Cartwright is exhibit A. What is she doing running as a PC candidate, Joe?
Well, she showed what she's doing.
She did her first dirty trick, if you will, whether it was on purpose or not.
I mean, you know, you couldn't pay someone to do something more damning to a campaign than to go and hire people and pretend, you know, make sure everyone knows, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
This is a secret, but here it is out on social media.
So that's what she's there to do.
And that's what others are there to do.
So if I remember what you're saying, you think she's a fifth columnist then?
Well, you know, I don't know whether she is or she isn't because, you know, we don't want to end up, she's a lawyer, I think, and she has lots of lawyer friends.
And we don't want to end up spending the rest of our days having to have that name Cartwright coming in on your email, do you?
But I will say this, that I did reach out to her to hear her side of it.
And she can certainly come on the show with you.
It'd be fun because she's running with Doug Ford.
But what I'm seeing so far is just either somebody that's so naive or somebody that just, you know, I personally think someone behind it, I'm not saying her, was playing a really treaty game.
I did get to interview her outside the City TV studios on Monday, and I was astonished actually, you know, political partner, you know, political affiliation aside, how shallow this woman was.
I mean, for example, she is a human rights lawyer.
And I asked her her opinion on the human rights commissions and tribunals, and she said she had no opinion.
And I liken that to a fisherman having no opinion about Chicago.
I'm going to get one of the actors to prepare some lines.
I would have had him.
And then interview them about human rights.
That's pretty funny.
Yeah, I don't know what to say.
Look, she shouldn't be there.
This one's on Doug and on Dean French, Corey Tanike.
People like that, they know better.
They're not fooling us that, you know, they knew that she wasn't a conservative.
I mean, if only they would treat the conservatives as well as they're treating the liberals.
You know, under Patrick Brown, it was like that.
And under Doug Ford, it seems to be like that.
And, you know, Tanya Granic-Allen will back me up on that.
Yeah, and, you know, before we get to Tanya, I mean, she has now, this is Cartwright, deleted her Twitter account, Joe, but not before we were able to save it.
And it's very revealing.
Here's one of her tweets from 2015.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper never bugged me as much as bug most of you until Ford Fest last night.
So glad I never voted for him.
So it's a knock against Stephen Harper and a knock against Ford.
Then she tweets out her support for Caroline Mulroney and the PC leadership campaign.
So in other words, one of the candidates that wanted Doug Ford's job.
And then there's various lefty tweets here, like she retweeted a tweet from Hillary Clinton trying to paint Trump as a racist.
David, she has tweets that go directly after Rob Ford, who is.
You pointed that out, yeah.
Yeah, and so she called him a ball of goo and different things like that.
But you mentioned Carolyn Mulroney, because that's what the game is for some people.
I'm not saying for her, but for some people, is that they want Doug to fail in this election.
They want a minority government situation.
And then they want Carolyn Mulroney to emerge as the leader.
And that's what all this sort of fifth column stuff is.
And I'm glad to report it.
And it's not just me saying that.
I did my own research on it.
I talked to some people, including right inside of Doug Ford's camp, and he's now aware of it.
So watch out, guys, because he's on to you.
And you saw a little bit of that.
I know it's too late for you, Menzoid, because that's how it is with you.
I'm going to give him a little more time.
Doug is a good man, and we'll give him a chance to kind of catch up to this.
Don't forget, it's a daunting task to take over a mess of a party and then go on this sort of, you're the face of it.
You've got to run it.
And you've got people that are kind of playing a double agent game behind your back.
It's not easy for them.
You know, Joe, I'm on the same wavelength as you.
And I know a lot of detractors will say, oh, here we go into conspiracyville.
But I'm sorry.
We saw how fast this party turned on Patrick Brown.
Well, they're liberals.
It's the only way they can beat them.
I mean, I don't blame the names I mentioned before.
I mean, I don't believe that Corey and people like that are in on it, but they have to be smarter because the liberal people that will do this, they have to do it.
And so don't forget that what's happened here, if you look at that after the first debate, what happened was that all the support that would normally go to Cal Then Wynn went where?
It went over to the NDP and Andrea Horwath.
Well, Andrea Horwath did nothing in that debate but try to get into the debate.
And yet everybody says that.
So what the plan is, and you can roll this back later, the plan is within seven to ten days, they're going to drop another bombshell on Doug.
It could be sooner, but it ended around the sweet spot when they do it.
And then they're hoping that that will be the knockout punch and that support will be test-driven on Andrea, who has no real platform.
It's not realistic, like what, free manicures and pedicures and free massages and it goes on and on and on.
I don't know what the hell she's talking about.
And then I'll go back over to Kathleen Wynn, who the media party will pomp up.
And so Doug's got to really watch that if he wants to win this thing.
The last week was a disaster in terms of the flip-flops.
I mean, we were teasing in the newsroom calling him Fosbury from the Fosbury flop.
Now, I don't blame him for it.
I mean, he's ultimately responsible.
But he's onto it now.
But I mean, a lot of stuff was happening.
And luckily, he's caught on.
And when you say flip-flops, for example, one of the most recent ones was the partial development of the Greenbelt, which he did an immediate flip-flop on.
But Joey, that was a panic.
See, that was a panic.
I want to talk about that.
We have time to talk about Greenbelt.
You know what?
We probably don't, but the thing is, in addition to the flip-flops, it's the double standards.
And I want to bring this back to Tanya Granny-Allen.
Like I said, no Tenya Granite Allen, no Doug Ford as leader of the PC party.
It's Christine Elliott, which the elites would rather have had.
You have a candidate in Carleton, as I mentioned in my monologue, Goldie Gumeri, aka the Persian cat, who has stated Stephen Harper is a national embarrassment.
Christianity is gay.
Jesus is worm food.
Where is Dean French?
Where are all the handlers that are firing certain candidates?
She is this golden child that can't be touched.
And what she said, I think, is far more insidious than what Tanya Granick Allen said years ago.
And same with Andrew Lawton, too.
I mean, all of a sudden, now we're into mental illness and we're feeling sorry for what he said.
Look, you know, you should be allowed to say something.
I mean, I just can't wait for people to say, well, you went on the Rebel.
What's that going on, The Rebel?
I was invited to go in the big show.
And then, you know, all these people like Jonathan Goldsby and that are tweeting out about that's the shun and shame game.
And so if you're going to cower to that, or your bosses are going to cower to that, then we're going to have no freedom of speech.
And that's why Doug should have stuck up for Tanya Granick Allen and shout down some of these people that we saw during Patrick Brown's era that really don't belong there, that are liberals or whatever.
It's not putting them down as people, but Tanya's a good lady, and Andrew Lawton's a good lady.
I don't know the Persian cash.
He's a good man, you mean, unless he's identified.
I don't know.
But again, that might even never help.
It might even help.
But my point is that we've got to get real here about stuff and sort of call it for what it is.
Well, let's call it for what it is, Joe.
And how about this?
Why can't Doug Ford grow a spine?
South of the border, a recent study came out.
About 90% of the media coverage of Donald Trump is negative.
And yet, what do we see?
His popularity going up, jobs being created on a daily basis, unemployment at the end of the day.
North Korea blowing up is nuclear.
Yeah, so results.
Why can Donald Trump shrug off these nattering nabobs negativity and Doug Ford or his handlers or both feel that they are beholden to appeasing these people?
And no matter how much you appease them, they're never going to be on your side.
If they win the election, then basically they're going to say that they were right.
But winning the election for me is a majority government.
Anything short of that is a loss.
The reason why is they don't like Doug, A, and the people like Michelle Lanceman and people like, all they've got all the jobs.
The people that like Doug can't get a call back from Doug.
You get any calls back?
Nope.
I don't get calls back.
Ezra, I don't think so.
People who like Doug and have worked with Doug don't get calls back.
If you're a liberal or you hate Doug or you call his brother a bag of goo, you not only get a call back, but you get a nomination.
You may even get in cabinet and maybe set for life.
So I get it, what your point is.
And that is what party politics has become.
It's too bad.
That's not right.
And he should reject it because I'll tell you, last September, Doug Ford was in the studio right where you're sitting, Joe.
And after the taped interview, he looked around the studio and he said, you know what?
He says, this reminds me of the days of Sun News.
Remember we had that Ford Nation show?
How about we start that again?
I thought I was over the moon.
I told Ezra.
Ezra was delighted.
And so I was calling him every week, every two weeks, you know, we're ready to go, we're ready to go.
And finally, I got the answer.
He says, well, the team, this anonymous the team, is not so much into it.
And that's when I saw the screw together.
They want Melissa Cartwright, Doug.
Okay, Cartwright show.
When you're back on the show, instead of being premier, we'll roll back the tape.
Come on, man.
You want to be premier?
You got to be your own man.
And you got to weed out whoever shouldn't be there.
Keep the people who are there and talk directly to the people and say, look, I'm a small counselor from Ward Two.
My brother was the mayor.
We're going to go and help you.
We're not going to steal your money.
We'll get the smartest people to help you with all these different things.
But we're not going to have special interest groups running everything.
That's it.
And then he's the premier, and we get the province straightened around.
Joe, we could go on forever.
Last question.
I think the removal of Tanya Granite Allen was incredibly damaging in terms of 10%.
Well, I spoke to every social conservative on Monday outside that City TV studio was saying they're not voting PC anymore.
So I don't think I'm a statistical anomaly.
I don't know what the critical mass is.
I'm going to ask you, I know a month is an eternity in politics and we're almost a month away from June 7th.
But what do you see happening?
I'm kind of getting a 1990 vibe of the NDP going up the middle and grabbing maybe a minority government.
What do you think?
No, because I think that they're trying to present that like they did with Molcair in Ottawa, that he's winning.
And the plan is to take Doug out and they'll do it internally, externally, and then have that support that was supposed to go to Andrea.
What you're saying is they're using the critical mass of Ford Nation to get him elected and then the knives come out later.
Is that what you're saying?
No, I'm saying that a lot of the support will go.
This is the plan they have to go back to Kathleen Wynne since Doug is really nothing more than a liberal anyway.
Plus he's got the latest bombshell that they've dropped on him, the dirty game, the only way they can really beat him.
And then assuming that Andrea Horwath doesn't show that she can be premier, she'll have the baton for a while and she'll be test driven and maybe she's good for it like Bob Ray was.
You know, Bob Ray had been around a long time in 1990.
I remember I covered that election.
I was in the Sioux Star in those days.
And I remember, you know, people like Bob Ray a lot.
Now, people like Andrea Horwath a lot.
So you never know.
Your theory might be right.
But if you look really at the NDP, I think in light of the fact that we had the Bob Ray government and we've been through that experiment and Alberta and other places, BC, have been through it.
So I think that it's really, for me, I believe, is between Doug and Kathleen Wynn.
If Doug can hang on, get rid of the people that don't want him to do it and talk directly to Ontario, he'll be the next Premier.
If he doesn't, he's going to be back on this show and maybe they'll do a Ford show right here.
Well, we're going to have to wrap it there.
All I'm going to say, Joe, is that given the economic damage these Wynn liberals have done to this province, it makes the Bob Ray New Democrats look like fiscal conservatives.
And I'm only half joking, but listen, thanks so much for having it.
I just want to say it's good to be here, and I haven't given up on Doug Ford.
I know that you have, but there is a month of the campaign to go.
And don't forget that in the fullness of that month, you've got to give him a chance, and you've got to give all the candidates a chance.
Well, didn't give a chance to Tanya Granic Allen, and Tanya Granick Allen is the reason he has a chance and loyalty.
That's why he's Ezra Levant right there.
That was a good comeback.
Anyways, thank you so much, Joe.
And up next, folks, who is replacing Tanya Granick Allen?
Natalia Kusandova's Closet00:03:03
And does she have any skeletons in her closet?
That's after the break.
Well, with Tanya Granik-Allen out as progressive conservative candidate for Mississauga Center, who is replacing her?
That would be runner-up Natalia Kusandova, who finished a distant second to Tanya at the nomination meeting.
But does Miss Kusandova have a skeleton in her closet too?
Well, I interviewed Kusandova at last month's nomination meeting in Mississauga.
She's a registered nurse who supposedly brings an insider's viewpoint to Ontario's sickly health care system.
So I asked her, how would she fix our broken health care system?
Well, as a registered nurse, I see every day the overcrowding, the hallway medicine, and the unacceptably long wait times in the emergency rooms.
And I think there are some solutions that a strong, progressive, conservative government can offer to Ontarians to solve these issues.
Those are not the standards of care we expect in our beautiful country of Canada.
You know, we are known around the world for our universal health care system.
But when we go to hospitals today, I'm not sure if that standard is reflected.
Regardless, we now seem to reside in an age in which any perceived sins of the past result in automatic disqualification in the present.
So, what about Kusundova's past?
Well, here's something.
Turns out she posed scantily clad in lingerie as a Toronto Sun Sunshine Girl.
Now, personally, I have absolutely no problem with Natalia's pin-up girl past.
But what about those nattering nabobs of political correctness on the left?
Will we again witness Doug Ford's inner circle of advisors displaying their usual strength of linguine that's been boiled for three hours capitulate and toss Natalya under the bus too?
Well, we'll see.
And if you think this is a stretch, folks, consider what happened to the NDP's Peter Cormos way back in 1991 when the virus of political correctness was still in its infancy.
Cormos posed as a Toronto Sun Sunshine Boy.
He was fully clothed, by the way, not clad in his underwear.
Premier Bob Ray asked for his resignation, and when Cormos refused, Ray fired him from cabinet.
Because apparently, whether you're a bimbo or a himbo, these are not values the left tends to embrace.
So, when the usual suspects come calling for Kusandova's head as they manufacture yet another so-called scandal, let's see how Doug Ford handles this file.
And to think people once said Ontario politics were boring?