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	Indeed, Buck Sexton here on the EIB.
	Very much a joy, a pleasure to be here in the big seat in for uh El Rushbow himself today.
	Phone lines open 800-282-2882 because we are in open line Friday status, because it's Friday, obviously.
	Want to talk to you a bit about sanctuary cities now.
	Oh yes.
	Sanctuary cities.
	The first one has caved.
	Although the mayor of my uh the Miami Dade mayor is saying, was it Carlos Jimenez has ordered the county jail to comply with federal immigration detention requests, but they're saying that they don't claim to be a sanctuary city at the same time.
	So someone's gonna have to make sense of that one for me here.
	I was like, wait a second, what?
	Hold on a minute.
	Just so we're all on the same page, some facts and figures, because I like data.
	I'm a data guy.
	You know, I I like to I like to crunch the false, actually, I'm bad at numbers, but I do like to use them when I can.
	The data on sanctuary counties is a better way to put it.
	Interesting breakdown here in the Washington Post, so take that for what it's worth, that 69 sanctuary counties there are 168 counties where a majority of the eleven million illegal immigrants live.
	That's the official number that's used all the time, 11 million illegal immigrants.
	Uh illegal aliens.
	And of those 168 counties, 69 of them decline federal requests to hold arrestees in jail due to their immigration status, according to the post here.
	Ninety-nine counties accept federal requests to hold arrestees in jail to their immigration status.
	So there are almost 70 of these counties where they say, you know what?
	Sorry, federal government.
	We know that you want this person that we have in custody for non-immigration offenses, it should be noted.
	This is a very important distinction.
	Sanctuary cities are not saying, hey, look, uh, we have we got crime problems, whether we're talking about Chicago or St. Louis or Detroit or Baltimore, we got a lot of problems here.
	We can't also be the immigration police.
	We're trying to clean up our streets.
	That's not the issue.
	Very important.
	You don't want a left to conflate this stuff.
	What sanctuary cities do is when they have, or I should say, the ones that we're designating here and talking about, the ones that are problematic, when they have someone in custody for a criminal offense unrelated to their immigration status,
	and then they figure out that the person they have is in illegal, and they run it by immigration and customs enforcement because the fingerprints are taken and sent to the FBI, which sends them to ICE, immigration and customs enforcement.
	And U.S. law requires this sharing between local and federal law enforcement.
	But some of these counties, when they after that information has been shared, and I says, okay, hold them, we'll come and get them, they're like, nope, back out on the streets.
	See you later.
	That's just reckless.
	That's just flouting the law.
	That is colluding to do end runs on federal statute.
	And it's gonna stop, according to the Trump team, according to President Trump.
	They're gonna stop.
	Because now cities or counties that still play that game are going to see federal funding pulled.
	I should say right off the bat, there are going to be those who say, well, discretionary spending, what are we talking about?
	Is it count is it federal counterterrorism funds?
	What kind of money are they going to pull away?
	Keep in mind that the left, the smarmy oh so smug left, was silent, silent as a church mouse.
	Had nothing to say at all.
	When President Obama threatened to pull funding from was it North or South Carolina with the transgender bathroom rule?
	North Carolina, thank you, Mr. Snerdley.
	North Carolina threatened to pull school funding unless Jimmy and Susie are using the same bathroom.
	Or Jimmy who thinks he's Susie can use the bathroom that the other Susies is whatever.
	Threaten to pull school funding.
	The Department of Education.
	And now we're going to talk about coercion of the states.
	Now we're going to talk about an overreaching federal government.
	No, no, no, no.
	Very important distinction.
	If we had moderate man from before back on the line now, this is the one I would make for him.
	What the Trump administration has done so far with his executive orders, and maybe there will be overreach, and maybe there will be things that they do that I feel like are usurping the prerogative of the legislative branch that are allowing the president to pretend to be the Congress himself, a Congress of one.
	That's scary stuff.
	We don't want that.
	We have a separation of powers for a reason.
	But Obama would decide on a policy.
	I want this to happen, and so I'm just going to sign a piece of paper that says I'm the president, it's going to happen.
	The immigration orders that Trump is signing are this is the law, and I am the head of the executive branch, and so to the extent possible to the extent permissible.
	I want us to actually enforce the law.
	That's a very different thing.
	We cannot line these up.
	You're going to see a lot of smoke screens, a lot of obfuscation.
	People are going to talk about the number of Obama executive orders.
	I don't care how many executive orders there were.
	I care what the executive orders were.
	And on immigration on sanctuary cities, this is one of the prime examples of the lawlessness of the left when it comes to illegal aliens in this country.
	And we get it.
	It is a built-in constituency for big government, for statism, for authoritarianism from D.C. We understand that.
	They're going to need greater amounts of assistance, and it will be in their interest to vote for the party that has already started to say, and this did not get nearly enough coverage when Hillary Clinton was running.
	Hillary Clinton wanted illegals to get Obamacare.
	People forget this.
	You could have gone on her campaign page.
	It was there.
	Oh, she wanted illegals to have access to, regardless of immigration status, have access to Obamacare.
	Subsidized health care by the taxpayer.
	And in many cases it just means Medicaid, but giving free health care to people who aren't supposed to be in the country.
	We are spending ourselves into oblivion, something the Trump team is going to have to deal with at some point.
	I'm wondering when that will come up.
	But for now, one thing at a time, one step at a time.
	These sanctuary cities, though, back on track here, Buck.
	These sanctuary cities are deciding that they have the right to override federal law.
	They're deciding that they don't want to comply.
	And people say that, well, it's it's a function of discretion for them to turn to hold to continue to detain people that keep in mind, these are those that immigrations and customs enforcement are like, well, we need to get that guy out of here.
	These aren't just your run of the this isn't the hardworking immigrant story of, oh, just came here, he's you know, working three jobs, feeding his wife and his five kids, and it no.
	ICE isn't going to say, well, we need to get that guy out of here right away because there are priorities in the deportation process.
	There are limited resources when it comes to access to the courts and how quickly law enforcement can in fact deport.
	I'm assuming that as Trump is talking about soon putting a halt on visas from terror prone countries, we also may revisit the fact that it is federal law right now that any foreign country that does not take back its foreign nationals who are here and we deport has their visas cut off.
	Dunzo, Fini, no more.
	That's just the law right now.
	This is what everyone needs to understand.
	When the Trump team brings that up, the left's gonna say, oh, this is this is destroying our relations with foreign countries, and Trump is a rogue elephant, and this is insane.
	No, it's the law right now, just like there's a law to build the wall, just like there's a law that there's sharing of information between counties and the federal government when it comes to immigration.
	By tackling the issue of illegal aliens in this country across the board, the Trump administration is dealing first and foremost with lawlessness.
	So when he gets up and he talks about how we're gonna be a country of law and order and we're gonna deal with crime and criminality, that includes bureaucracies and municipalities and counties that take it upon themselves to play the humanitarian, benevolent, wonderful people that won't in fact do what is necessary and do what is required of them to protect the rest of the American people.
	Because they're so kind and wonderful and thoughtful.
	Because it's easy for them, because they don't necessarily live in neighborhoods where they'll have to deal with the large numbers of illegal aliens who also have a disproportionate impact on criminality and also city services.
	English as a second language is not something that people across the country should be paying for in public schools.
	Full stop.
	The Trump administration no longer has an has a Spanish language website or a section of it that's all in an Espanol.
	They don't have that because they don't want to, because they shouldn't.
	That this is in any way revolutionary thinking, that this is supposed to shock people, tells us all much more about the state right now of enforcement in this country and the willingness to engage in shenanigans.
	Play games with this than anything else.
	And I also want to know to you that the disc that the discussion on this, I think, will change quite quickly when we see that Trump is going to publicize the crimes of legal aliens in sanctuary cities.
	We have I shouldn't say all of us, many of us familiar with Kate Steinley's case in San Francisco.
	She was killed by an illegal alien who shot off a gun.
	It looked like it was a stupid, reckless thing, but he it's still it's negligent homicide.
	And he had been deported, I think was it five times, Mr. Snyder?
	Five times, right?
	Five times.
	In and out, in and out.
	Seven time convicted, felon, deported five times from the country, but we're supposed to think that no, we've got this whole border thing on lock.
	It's fine.
	We know what we're doing.
	We've got this under control.
	Well, we have the data loving left.
	They pretend to love data, but they actually hate data.
	Ask them to show you the climate change data and their heads will explode.
	Oh my gosh.
	The data loving left is going to get a dose of their own medicine here because President Trump, according to the New York Post, is going to publish a weekly list of crimes committed by illegal immigrants in New York City and all other sanctuary cities that do not cooperate with federal authorities.
	He is going to now force people to reckon with the reality of what it means to have large illegal alien populations in these cities.
	Anne Colder did a lot of research on this for her book Adios America, and one of the most stunning conclusions she came to was how hard it was to just find information on illegal alien criminality.
	They don't keep they don't keep the records.
	They don't keep lists.
	The government knows a ton about all of us, but they don't want to know how many legals are really in the country.
	They don't want to know how many legals are committing crimes in the country.
	They don't want to know what the cost to the taxpayer is of all of that.
	And that includes our million legal immigrants a year, it should be noted, who are paying taxes and who are trying to live the American dream and who went about this the right way, from all corners of the globe, all over the world.
	We have a million a year becoming permanent residents, either citizens or green card holders, year in and year out.
	That's about the number.
	We are taking inormous numbers of people from all over each year, but through the legal system.
	And we're supposed to just forget about the lawlessness and criminality that comes from the illegal population all this time.
	We're gonna let Bill de Blasio here in New York City or the mayor of Los Angeles.
	I was gonna say the mayor of Miami, but he's like, okay, actually, you know what?
	My bad.
	We're gonna act we're gonna do this right.
	We'll we'll comply.
	We will comply.
	Don't take away those discretionary federal funds.
	Like I said, it's all about tackling lawlessness head on.
	And when you have a president who has to sign executive orders saying that we will now enforce laws that are already On the books, and that there are many who think that is some sort of affront to the Republic and evidence of creeping fascism.
	It tells you a lot, both about the duplicitousness of our Congress and the state of enforcement of laws in this country as it is.
	It's all about politics, not about the law.
	That's not okay.
	And hopefully President Trump is beginning to change that.
	I hope.
	We'll have to see.
	Buck in for rush.
	We're going to talk about uh illegal voting in just a few.
	Be right back.
	Buck Sexton here in for Rush on the EIB.
	We're joined by Catherine Engelbrecht.
	She is the founder and president of TrueTheVote.
	Catherine, thanks for making some time for us today.
	Absolutely, Bud.
	Thanks for having me on.
	All right, so your organization looks into issues of voting and voter fraud.
	What can you tell us?
	What do you have to offer in terms of either perspective or hard and fast numbers on the claim that Donald Trump has made that three point three to five million people voted illegally in the last election?
	The media is in a tizzy about this.
	Well, you know, I am certain that the President of the United States has access to information that uh is uh far, far, far above my pay pay grade.
	But what I can tell you is that there is very real reason to be concerned, and I am so thankful that after eight years of being silenced, that we now have an opportunity just to put all the cards on the table.
	The data exists, the technology to do matching exists.
	So let's just let's just answer the question.
	Let's resolve for identity, residency, and citizen citizenship, and answer the question.
	So how what do we need to do to answer the question?
	If the Trump administration says, you know what, we're just let's put all this to rest.
	Let's get to the bottom of this.
	Right.
	If it's so necessary to look into Russian hacking for the sake of democracy, one would think that actual voting would be worth looking into, or illegal voting would be worth looking into as well.
	Well, one might think, and and and here's the challenge, and this is really important.
	The fraud has been institutionalized.
	And so while there are some basic matching techniques that you can use by pulling up the voter rolls and then bouncing that against the Social Security Death Index to see who's dead and voting, those are those are some basic searches that certainly need to be done.
	But the real fraud is going to be found baked much more deeply into the system.
	We have uh issues through Motor Voter right now that that require that supported services like uh getting your driver's license and the DMV records and applying online through healthcare.gov.
	Those federal formats get pushed straight into the state and they do not verify for citizenship.
	Those are the kinds of that's the kind of depth that we're going to have to get into to realize what's being put into our state roles and the accuracy of that, and then from that point, clean the roles up, and hopefully from this develop some solutions that will protect our roles moving forward.
	Catherine, I know you're a friend of the uh motor voter, the National Voter Registration Act of 1993.
	Anyone who goes in the DMV now and can get a driver's license, which we know includes uh illegals in some states, and we know includes people who are non-citizens.
	Uh anyone who can do that can also very quickly find themselves registering to vote.
	People that I've talked to about this who are immigration experts and specialists say a lot of any illegal voting that goes on may be inadvertent or not not inadvertent, but unintentional, in the sense that there may be a lot of non-citizen permanent residents, even who think that they're allowed to vote because they're being given a registration card of the DMV, and they're just voting because they think they're supposed to vote.
	That's exactly right.
	And and we, you know, we take no issue with that.
	I mean, let's just get the answers.
	For eight years, we haven't been able to get to the answers because we haven't been allowed to ask the questions.
	And we we only got about a minute, Catherine, but I wanted to ask your group uh became very well known first because it was one that was targeted by the IRS, by Lois Learners weaponization of the Internal Revenue Service.
	There's been some court action on that recently.
	Can you just give us about a 45-second update on where that stands?
	Well, we are we're continuing to press on, but I have to tell you, I feel like we've already won.
	I feel like that it is there's a new day dawning, and that the transparencies that this administration is going to begin to introduce across a whole host of issues, puts us in a position that hopefully we're very soon gonna be able to put that behind us and get back to the focus of of what this was all about to begin with, which is free and fair elections, and it's an issue that should unite us, and we need to be united.
	Catherine Engelbrecht is the founder and president of True the Vote.
	Well, what's your website, Catherine?
	TrueTheVote.org.
	There we go.
	True the vote.org.
	Great to have you, Catherine.
	Thank you so much.
	Appreciate it.
	Buck sex in and for Rush.
	Oh, we've got a lot more show.
	Gonna talk more about immigration and maybe some State Department firings that they pretended were walkouts.
	Oh, yeah, be right back.
	Buck Sexton in for Rush today on the EIB.
	Uh the data is what we want here.
	It's what we need when we're talking about trying to find whether there were a lot or just a few illegal votes cast in the last election.
	The the the left is always the the Yeah, the the they don't show data, and also if you ask them for their climate change data, they're like, no, it's a secret club.
	And you say, but why would I trust data that I can't that you won't show me or that you change after you show it to me, and they go, you just don't understand.
	You just don't pay enough attention to I don't know, Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson, the progressive leftist scientists that people who know nothing about science point to and say, see?
	And he knows a lot about gun policy too.
	It's like, no, he doesn't actually at all.
	Neither of them do.
	Side note.
	But no, nope, Neil deGrasse Tyson on on I love what he writes things like, I just wish that reason would guide all of our policies.
	Yeah, because everybody who disagrees with him on things doesn't understand reason and facts and logic.
	There is a weird fetishization that occurs among the left when it comes to science, because what they mean by science isn't actually cause and effect and constant questioning and looking at having a a hypothesis that you test and retest.
	You know, it's like I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Einstein here right now.
	It doesn't matter what the consensus is, it only takes one person to prove me wrong.
	Very important.
	That's the way scientists should approach everything.
	I don't care if you have 99 scientists in a room.
	They need to be able to prove one scientist who disagrees with them wrong.
	Prove it, not say, well, there's 99 of us.
	Consensus is not science.
	Mic drop.
	I can't actually drop the mic in here because it's attached, but I I thought I thought about that for a second, yeah, for sure.
	Uh so but the all back on onto the data for a second.
	The three to five million number, that seems a little high to me.
	When you look at how many non-citizens there are non-citizen permanent residents there are in the country, though, many, many millions.
	And they're being told they're being handed registration forms because of the 1993 Bill Clinton uh signed National Voter Registration Act, the motor voter law.
	I'm sure a lot of them think, well, I'm a I'm allowed to live here forever and they're giving me this voting thing.
	Why can't I vote?
	And a lot of those individuals are probably gonna vote Democrat, which may be why the Democrats don't want to poke into this too much.
	Uh but the left will also tell you that there's nothing to see here because there's no such thing as voter fraud.
	And then you'll use something called the Google, and you'll find instances of prosecutions or voter fraud, and you'll show it to them, and then they'll say, okay, what I meant by that is there's not a lot of voter fraud, but a week later they'll go back to there's no such thing as voter fraud.
	So th this is that's how the propaganda mill works.
	It just keeps telling you things that are untrue, and when it's proven wrong, they just sort of wait and then they they come back again.
	It's like a zombie it's like a zombie lie.
	Like you think it's gone, but then it comes back.
	You think it's gone, but then it comes back.
	Um where was I on all of this?
	Oh, yes, and also the that Trump is lying about the number, which is what the media is saying, uh, that Trump is lying about this.
	Uh well, how can they know he's lying if they don't have the numbers themselves?
	They do they don't know.
	They can't look into this.
	You can say it is an allegation that has yet to be substantiated, but then let's substantiate it.
	One way or the other.
	You're gonna notice the left doesn't want to look into this one.
	They don't want to look under the hood on this.
	They don't want to peek in under the hood of the motor voter situation.
	They don't want any of that.
	They want to just keep it all going.
	And you know, they want Hillary and her and her uh Democrat colleagues to be pushing for Obamacare for illegals, and it's just a obvious, obvious benefit to the Democratic Party from to keep this stuff up.
	All right, it is openline Friday, which means we should let some other people talk.
	Jeff in Jacksonville, Florida, you're on the Rush show.
	You're speaking to Buck.
	Thank you, Ryan Buck.
	Thank you.
	I have two comments related directly to the wall.
	One, we're always told from the left that these are the valedictorians, the dreamers that are all coming over.
	Wouldn't it be beneficial for Mexico to build the wall to keep those great people in their country to make Mexico great for once?
	And then my second point is none of these newscasters, including the guy from ABC who had the first interview, have read Trump's plan.
	It's only two to three pages long of how Mesco will pay for the wall.
	So again, it'll be beneficial for Mexico to come and negotiate because they're gonna pay for the wall whether they like it or not.
	The wall will we paid for through taxes on Western unions from the United States to Mexico.
	Interest interesting you bring that up.
	That's the because the Trump team, Jeff, has walked back a little bit the uh and they say that they were floating it out there, and I leave that to to all of you to decide if you think they were floating it or if they realize it wasn't a good idea.
	But a twenty percent tariff on on imports, uh, which means the end, which means the end of NAFTA.
	NAFTA, I should note, is an old uh is an old trade agreement that should be updated and and renegotiated.
	What is it from the early nineties?
	Uh, isn't it?
	Or is it yeah, I'm forgetting what the day, the original date of NAFTA was.
	Um But people I know who are very free trade even admit, yeah, we should probably take a look at NAFTA and and and at least update it.
	They don't necessarily want to throw it out entirely.
	Uh but the the you mentioned Western Union, the remittances that come untaxed remittances that come from the United States to Mexico via wire transfer services, the estimates on that that I've seen are in the 10 to 20 billion dollar range, and that's just U.S. cash flowing south in Mexico to subsidize their economy.
	That is those are untaxed dollars.
	And by the way, if you started sending money around to people that was never taxed, uh the IRS would come looking for you.
	But if you're an illegal, well, you know, again, different set of rules seems to apply.
	But when the ro if you look at the remittances, that's where you might have even more leverage.
	I don't really care, Jeff, how the wall gets paid for, because in the grand scheme of things from a federal budget perspective, ten or twelve billion dollars is not a make or break situation, and you look at the costs of continued illegal ill illegal immigration, and it dwarfs uh anything that we're gonna spend on this wall over the long term.
	But I I do understand that Trump sees the optics of this a certain way.
	He wants Mexico to have to make good on things here.
	He wants Mexico to start to be forced to do what's what he says is do what's right.
	Uh by the way, there were there was a meeting that was gonna happen, it's not happening, and the latest I see here is President Peña Nieto spent an hour on the phone with Trump.
	They were talking about things.
	Everyone's already jumping to trade war and uh how we're gonna collapse the Mexican economy and we haven't done anything yet.
	This is the this is a negotiation phase.
	This is an unfinished, an unfinished exchange of ideas.
	Jeff, what do you think?
	Oh, I think I think that maybe we should take some of this money that they're gonna be withholding from these sanctuary cities that are gonna hold out, and maybe that could pay for the blueprints for the wall or the first batch of concrete.
	Yeah, uh well, they'll find a way somehow.
	Um I I do think they're gonna build sections of they're not gonna build a wall uh uh continuously and all at once.
	It's gonna be in in pieces, a very, very big it's gonna be a very big barrier wall, fence, all of the above.
	But it does seem to me like the administration wants to get it done.
	This was a central promise of the campaign.
	A lot of, and thank you for calling in, Jeff, a lot of uh never Trump conservatives said that this was the first place you'd see that Trump was all all uh all flash, no substance, that he would back off on the wall, and so signing this executive order makes it appear at least that he plans to follow through with this.
	And for him to back out of this point would be particularly difficult.
	Um let's take uh Sal in upstate New York.
	Sal, you're on the rush show, you're speaking of Buck.
	Thanks, Buck.
	I find it comical like this morning on CNN, they ask a Republican House member, how dare you ask the American and I'm paraphrasing, ask the American taxpayer to put the bill for this wall.
	As if it's some cylinder type port expenditure.
	Um this is something that secured your border, and I just feel you never if if you can't agree with someone that a secure border is better than not a secure border, if you stop ten percent of the Kate Steinley murders, that's ten out of a hundred murders are stopped with this twelve to twenty billion.
	It's ridiculous to talk about it as if the American taxpayer has to put that bill.
	I'm happy to put that bill, put it under uh homeland security or military.
	And then secondly, and you touched on this, the illegals that are here, and I have worked with them and I have hired them.
	Not proud to say that, but I have a business that at times you are forced to hire the most qualified at that time.
	I speak to these people.
	They want to be on the books, and if we just collected federal income taxes from these guys and gals, we would be able to pay for that wall.
	They would be happy to pay federal income taxes as long as they're problems.
	Hey, if I come to the surface and I go on the books, I'm not going to be deported.
	And that's another thing.
	When they get deported, they only get deported because they want to get deported because they need to go home.
	They'll get deported.
	And then this is a question I have for you, and that is what happens to the entire underworld of the human trafficking portion like that's not just gonna go away.
	These mafia type individuals that bring these people here, how do you you're gonna take their livelihood away from them?
	How do they make up for that?
	And and that's just another question I have, but those are three points I wanted to make, and thanks for listening.
	Yeah, of course.
	Uh thank you very much for calling in, Sal and sharing your thoughts and experiences on that.
	In in terms of where the I think you're referring mostly to the smuggling operations and cartels.
	Uh what will they do if there's a wall, it's gonna make their lives harder.
	A wall is not a panacea.
	Wall doesn't cure everything.
	Wall doesn't make all the problems go away.
	A wall is one very visible and important manifestation of a broader policy to secure the border.
	Now part of border security is also going to be interior enforcement.
	As anybody who studies the issue and understands it will tell you, we've got about a half a million for the last year we have complete data.
	Visa overstays in this country.
	You overstay your visa, guess what?
	You can't come back in legally for quite a while, which means that most of those half million visa overstays are probably never planning to leave.
	Means they came here on a legal visa, they overstayed, and they are now illegal aliens living in this country.
	That's why you need to deal with the wall, then you need e-verify interior enforcement at workplaces, then you can also there are cascading effects of this too.
	You can look at ports of entry, you look at your airports, and you begin to tighten biometrics and other ways of looking at who's coming into the country, knowing who's here, tracking who's here, and understanding uh who's coming and going.
	This is all a series of decisions and policies and processes, and they're putting some of them into play right now.
	But it's going it's going to take some time.
	With the Obama administration, what you got was a massive head fake.
	Oh, yeah, I'm deporting all these people.
	I'm totally about border security.
	Let's get a huge amnesty bill through, because I'm really into border security.
	And then the border and then the amnesty bill doesn't happen.
	He's like, Okay, well, I can stop pretending to care about border security now.
	Forget it.
	No ketchup and release, no more deportations unless you're r running around uh killing people or selling drugs to school children or something.
	You know, that's that was the Obama policy after a while.
	And I know actually you can kill people and not necessarily get deported.
	There are people who are I don't know.
	It's insane.
	It is it is insane.
	And people have had enough, and that's this all leads to like the how we get President Trump thing.
	Buck Sexton and for Rush.
	Uh, we're gonna talk about more about immigration, more of your calls, and also some follow-up to that State Department story from yesterday.
	The walkout that was not more coming.
	Buck Sexton in for Rush on the EIB.
	Open line Friday, which means calls, calls, and more calls.
	Jim in Texas, you are speaking to Buck.
	You're on the EIB.
	What's up?
	Hi, Buck, great, great to hear you.
	You're my uh favorite replacement host for Rush.
	Thank you so much.
	Um back in the late 70s, early eighties, I was a uh uh border officer along the east-west German border in the US Army.
	And uh East Germany and Czechoslovakia not only had one fence, they had two fences, which had shotgun mines along them.
	The uh area between them had minefields, they had vicious guard dogs, they had machine gun towers, and they'd kill you if you tried to cross.
	And people still came across.
	In fact, uh, in our area, we had one family that uh made a hot air balloon out of cloth and flew it across the border, just as one example as to the desperation and you know how eager they were to uh get across.
	My point is that that we're treating symptoms with offense, and we're not going after the actual problem.
	The problem is we have companies here in America that are hiring these people, or they wouldn't be coming over.
	And we're allowing them to send money back home.
	If if we uh we have to turn off the magnet.
	That's I totally agree with that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And and until until we do that, I mean, you you've seen the same pictures I've seen, where there are people with ladders and they're literally mobs climbing across what fences we have in place right now.
	Well, uh, a few things.
	First of all, your experience is uh is fascinating to me.
	I appreciate you sharing that with all of us.
	I I think though that the the for you mentioned the family that built a hot air balloon out of cloth, uh those who are trying to get from from east to west Berlin, that's more and we're willing to brave the the attack dogs, the machine guns, the razor wire.
	That's really more a commentary on the desperation of people living under communism and behind the iron curtain than I think it is on the efficacy of walls per se.
	Uh but also there's no such thing, and this makes me uh go into my former counter-terrorism officer toolkit.
	There's no one thing that that makes the problem go away entirely.
	And I know you know that.
	You're saying we need to deal with workplace enforcement, you deal with remittances.
	Uh, but the wall is a i is a foundational piece of all those other things that need to be done.
	And the uh ultimately you also come back to the reality of we can't have open borders in a welfare state, and we do, not open open borders, but something pretty close to it.
	You've got uh at least eleven million illegal aliens in the country.
	And we got twenty trillion in debt.
	Thanks, Obama.
	And the notion that we're not going to secure our borders and we're not going to be dealing with the it continued inflow of individuals who disproportionately will be accessing federal benefits that my generation is probably never even gonna get in the terms of the of the long-term uh Medicare, uh uh Medicare and Social Security benefits.
	So these are all you know, it's n the world is not fair.
	Some people are born in America, some people are born in North Korea.
	I we also have to start from that proposition, and it doesn't make me feel good to say it, but that's just reality.
	Uh and I think that building uh a fence, while it does make it seem like we're more closed to the world, uh a lot first of all, a lot of countries are building fences or borders.
	Israel's done so with tremendous uh tremendous success in terms of its security.
	Uh other countries, I believe the Saudis are building one on their border with Yemen.
	Uh I think there might be one in Western Sahara where they're thinking about it between Algeria and Morocco, obviously North and South Korea, which is more akin to the wall between East and West Berlin in terms of the militarization.
	Uh so walls do work, but walls are not perfect.
	Is that I think that's a fair way to say it, Jim.
	What do you think?
	They do.
	But what you've got to keep in mind about a lot of those countries is they're more than willing to shoot people who are trying to cross, and America will never do that, nor would I want them to.
	I wouldn't either, of course.
	Um I'm I'm just saying that uh you need a holistic report or or something.
	Yes, but but also it people who are fleeing Mexico are not fleeing jackbooted tyranny on the throat.
	I mean, I know the cartels are pretty terrible, but generally they're coming here for economic opportunity or they're coming here for benefits.
	They're not they're not necessarily fleeing a totalitarian society where there's there's you know no no music, no joy, nothing good.
	I mean, Mexico's actually a pretty nice place.
	It's uh it's not it Mexico's not North Korea, nor is it East Berlin, right?
	So I think that's another important uh point to keep this all in perspective.
	But Jim from Texas, great call.
	Thank you very much for uh giving us a ring here on the EIB.
	Great call.
	Lots of great calls today.
	Lots of great calls.
	All right, buck in for rush.
	We'll be right back.
	Buck in for rush flying by today on the EIB.
	Uh next hour we're gonna talk uh about game-changing Trump approaches to regulation.
	We're gonna be joined by Kim Strassel of the Wall Street Journal to talk a bit about that.
	I'll give you that follow-up to the State Department walk out.
	We're losing all of our talented diplomats.
	No.
	No, actually, that's not true, but I'll give you the full the full update there.
	Also looking to see if that executive order on uh a pause on refugees gets signed.
	We will be taking your calls too, because it's open line Friday, so 800 282-2882.
	Oh, just wanted to note since we're talking about immigration in Mexico.
	Um under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony punishable after two years in prison.
	If you come back, it's ten years.

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