All Episodes
Previous Next
April 11, 2016 - Rush Limbaugh Program
32:32
April 11, 2016, Monday, Hour #3
| Copy link to current segment

Time Text
We are back and we are having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
I'm Rush Limbaugh here at the Limboy Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
Telephone number 800 282-2882, the email address, L Rushbo at EIB net.com.
This hour dedicated to those of you say you're never again going to listen to the program.
I want to grab this guy, Nick.
Nick's on the phone from South Haven, Mississippi.
He's been holding for a while.
And it um uh his call relates to something we were just talking about here.
Uh what happened in Colorado with Cruz uh securing all of the delegates without there having been an actual primary.
Hey, Nick, great to have you on the program.
How are you doing?
I'm doing good, Rush.
Thank you.
How are you?
How am I doing?
I'm I'm always good.
I'm fine.
If I'm if I'm not good, nobody would listen anyway.
So I I'm always good.
I I just wanted to share an idea with you, and that is that I don't think that uh Cruz won anything beyond the delegates in Colorado.
He will never now become president.
And the reason he won't become president is because the supporters of Donald Trump are not Republican supporters, they're Trump supporters.
And they have a long time before this uh before this nomination process even started, like you said, have for seven years been scheming over the way things are.
And they view Trump as the only person who can turn things around.
And now they're definitely concerned that Trump will not get the nomination.
Let me tell you something, Nick uh Nick, you're you're you're closer to something here than you may even realize, and I'm sure you realize how right you are.
I heard from a number of ardent cruise supporters last night, who were very, very concerned how I was going to deal with this today, because they know that Cruz isn't cheating, but the way the media, the drive-bys,
and and certain conservative blogs and websites are reporting it, they are they're deathly afraid that people are going to be convinced that Cruz has cheated to make this happen, and therefore there's going to be so much anger, and you couple that with Trump running around with the lion Ted, Lion Ted.
They're worried that that has stuck.
So you got Lion Ted and now Ted being accused of cheating.
Um their point was that this is it could be very bad for us if if people are not disabused of the notion that Cruz has cheated here.
And he hasn't cheated.
There hasn't been any cheating going on.
And if you want to say there has been, you've got to get mad at the GOP in Colorado for changing their procedure out there and then not telling anybody.
But of course, they did.
It's been known since October.
But nevertheless, you're talking about perceptions.
And perceptions will trump reality every time.
Well, I think it goes further than that.
I think it goes to the reality that people never really understood how the nomination process goes in either the Republican or Democratic parties.
And for the first time they're realizing it.
And they don't like what they see.
They view the parties as as much corrupt as the national government is.
Well, they are the national government.
Well, that's true.
Uh I've been to China three times, and this more resembles what the Chinese Communist Party does in terms of electing its people.
Well, but look, this is the point.
You gotta be wait a minute.
We're not the Chikoms.
You've got to be real careful.
All that's going on here, it's not complicated.
You have a bunch of wealthy, powerful interests who are not going to sit idly by and let a bunch of people they consider idiot outsiders come in and just take over.
The ChICOM leaders are not going to let that happen with a guy standing in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square, and the Republicans are not going to let Donald Trump do it if they can stop it.
But you're right.
You're right that people are seeing how this all works.
It looks rigged, it looks as no, it's it call it rigged.
This is just people who are in charge of something wielding their power.
Well, I think This is the first time people have realized that they honestly don't live in a republic and they don't necessarily see their vote as being part of the democratic process.
Well, what yeah, I think what they see is that there's nothing democratic about this nomination process.
You know, Trump's out there.
He said this is we don't have a democracy.
He's right.
We never have been a democracy.
We've been in a republic.
Now that that may this not be may not be the time to go into that with Trump, but this is a clear illustration of it.
He's he's he thinks democracy has been denied in Colorado.
We don't have a democracy.
We have a representative republic and the powers that be, you know, we elect people to represent us.
We do not have a direct democracy.
And all Colorado has done is you know what?
We're going to elect the people's representatives, but not use the people to do it.
But they clearly announced it up front.
They said so.
Your theory is that because it's widely known now, with everything else that's happened, people are realizing that this whole primary system may not be anything like what it appears to be.
It may be an entirely, for lack of a better word, rigged process, so that the powers at B end up getting what they want when it's over, right?
That's that's part one.
Part two is, as I mentioned, is that there are people who support Trump who believe that Trump is the only one that can bring the country back to the period of greatness it once had.
Are you one of those people?
I certainly am.
Okay.
What happens to your movement and everybody in it, playing a little hypothetical game here.
If Trump doesn't get 1237, doesn't get the nomination, what happens to let's say you mean you're you're you're half of the electorate here.
You're at least you're at least 35 or 40 percent of the electorate on the Republican side.
What what do you all what do you see?
I my point is, Nick, I think you guys are bigger than Trump.
I think I think Trump is obviously the receptacle, and he has it, he has a deep connection with people, he's very charismatic, but you're gonna survive long after Trump doesn't, right?
If that's the case.
Well, I think what's going to happen is again, the emphasis is upon Trump.
He is the beginning of a movement.
And that unless Trump goes out on his own beyond the Republican Party, all that you're going to have is simmering resentment within the pop within the within the democratic process.
And we're going to be much worse off than we have been under Obama, and the president who gets elected is not going to have the support of the people.
Because they believe, and I believe that we're on a track track that will lead us to ultimately the decline and fall of the United States.
You have the Soviet Union, you have China, you have the immigration process and the advoc the advocacy of ISIS.
No, no, I get all that.
What I'm asking you is, right now, Trump is the vehicle for people supporting him to get started on taking back the country.
If Trump doesn't win, what happens to you all?
What do you do next?
You need somebody unless a new leader arises, they're simply not going to be interested in what goes on.
They're going to look at it as being totally lost.
There will be no recovering of the country.
We will be totally lost to our future.
We will be a substandard um second-race.
So you wait a minute.
So you're you're you're saying that the the Trump, for lack of a better word, the Trump movement will die.
And all wait a minute, and all you'll be is a bunch of disgruntled people sitting idly by angry at what's happening.
That won't be a death.
What it'll be is when you get to a point where people do not believe there is a solution to a problem, depression sets in.
Not depression in an economic sense, but in an emotional sense.
They get to the point where they say to themselves, there is nothing that we can do to bring this country back to where it was.
Everything is lost.
The future is lost.
And that was it that may well evolve into something more dangerous.
Oh, you don't want to go there.
I see what you're saying.
I know, you're you're tiptoeing up, you're talking revolution.
Number nine Beatles, 1960, whatever it was.
That's what you're talking.
He doesn't want to say it.
And my my my look, I should preface the question here.
We got Pat Buchanan, who's written two or three times now, that this movement is alive and for real, and it survives Trump.
That it is going to be growing.
It is going to be demanding things.
It's not going away.
The people who support Trump will not just vanish if Trump doesn't win.
And Doug Schon has written a piece today, basically the same thing that Trump has disrupted politics and shown that outsiders can make inroads, and maybe one day one of them can win, even though they don't know anything about governing, he writes, that one day they might be able to win.
Well, that presumes that the Trump movement and all of the people that make it up are survive Trump if he doesn't win this.
That's my only question.
Because you people have been out there long before Trump came along.
You've been angry at trade deals long before last July.
You've been upset at NAFTA since 1992, 94, whatever it was.
Trans Pacific Partnership.
I mean, the the people that support Trump from wherever they come have been out there long before Trump came along.
Trump has mobilized them.
It's the question of what's be what becomes of them if there isn't a leader.
Now, the Schoen's point is that another leader will pop up, that another outsider will see.
Hey, you know what?
If we do this differently, do that differently, like let's not insult this person, let's not insult that person, let's uh maybe we'll win the next time.
My point let me get to the establishment is scared to death that this is not going to go away.
I think there's another will Trump go away.
Let me ask you this.
Again, we're speaking hypothetically, and I'm not predicting anything, just anticipating.
Let's say that Trump does not win the nomination, but he is aware.
He knows how many millions of people are behind him, he knows how many millions of people support him, he knows how many millions of people invested, uh, their hopes and their dreams in him.
What does he do?
Does he go back to sitting high atop Trump Tower, building hotels and buildings and dealing with the Chicoms and the Mexicans?
Or does he attempt to mobilize and grow this political movement that he now leads and heads up.
And I think a lot of establishment people, a lot of Republicans think that Trump will take his marbles and go home if he doesn't win.
And I think they might be misjudging things.
I think if if Trump's gonna be hard-pressed to let go of this in the event that he doesn't win the nomination, because there's a movement there, and it's serious and it's large, and it has the potential to grow.
It's only gonna grow.
If the Democrats win, it's only gonna grow.
It may be idly sitting by frustrated and angry, but it's only gonna grow.
This is too important to people, their kids and their grandkids.
People are just people are fed up, and you you don't sit idly by and just let it happen when you're not earning any more money, when you're not able to keep your job, you don't just sit idly by and let it happen.
So I think there's much more going on here than uh maybe some in the establishment think.
I think they think they can vanquish this by denying the Trumpists the nomination, and I think they are woefully misunderstanding if that is indeed what they think.
Now let me ask you another question, folks.
We're doing think pieces today.
Let me ask you another question.
Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh program here on the EIB network.
How many of you, let me proper way to phrase this, um Let's look at Colorado.
Colorado last August announces a change in the way they are going to apportion their delegates.
They say, they announce, everybody's known this since last August.
Well, it hasn't been reported in public, so you and me, we didn't know it, didn't see any news on it, but the party has known it.
Everybody at the party has known it.
And that means that every candidate should have known what Colorado was going to do.
It's part of the nomination process, part of the campaign, part of the delegate selection process.
So how is it that Trump isn't even there?
Contesting against Cruz for delegates this past weekend.
Did Trump not know?
Did nobody in the Trump campaign know?
Or when they found about this last August or whenever the Trump campaign found out of it, I'm assuming the Trump campaign knew.
That's part of my hypothetical.
I'm assuming they knew.
So if they knew, why didn't they contest?
Why didn't they send anybody out there to whine and dine and do whatever you do to get delegates in Colorado?
Why did Cruz have the whole playing field of himself?
Was it because the Trump campaign thought Colorado wasn't going to matter?
That they were going to wipe this up long ago, wrap this up long ago.
Why not go?
I'm just asking.
Why not be in Louisiana and some of these other states, Tennessee, recently, where Cruz operatives have been all over the place trying to secure delegates.
Now I can partially answer this.
Well, Cruz got no choice, man.
He he there's no way he gets 1237.
So Cruz has got to, he's got to get going on ballot too right now.
He has got to get those okay.
Does the Trump team know that?
And if the Trump team knows what the Cruz team is doing, why are they not contesting at the point of attack?
I'm just asking.
Not claiming to have the answer.
I am just asking.
Let me put it another way.
Does it really make sense?
I'm asking you, Trumpists.
Is it really the case that the Trump campaign didn't know what was going to happen in Colorado?
And then actively chose not to participate.
Or did they really not know what was the procedure in Colorado?
and they didn't know that they should send people, how do you not know?
You're running for the Republican nomination.
Just asking, I'm just asking the questions out there.
In relation to our last caller, Nick, the Trumpist, who said that the worst thing could happen for Cruz happened, wins Colorado.
Now everybody is mad at him thinking that he's cheating.
And I mentioned I had some Cruz feeler worried about that.
Cruz is not cheating.
There was no cheating in Colorado.
But the way the media is portraying it is that Trump's voters are disenfranchised and got all these delegates chosen, but nobody voted and all this, these headlines.
So they're genuinely concerned that the perception of Ted as lying Ted and now cheating will stick.
And there's this from Reuters, exclusive, it says here.
Blocking Trump could Hurt Republicans in election.
It's a poll, the Reuters Ipsos poll.
A third of Republican voters who support Trump could turn their backs on the party in November's election if he is denied the nomination in a contested convention, according to the Reuters poll.
These results are bad news for Trump's rivals as well as party elites opposed to Trump, suggesting that an alternative Republican nominee would have a tougher road against the Democrats.
Donald Green, expert in election turnout at Columbia University.
What a an expert in election turnout?
What is there to it?
There is or either is or isn't.
What is an election turnout expert at Columbia?
What does he know that we don't?
Well, he knows the demographics, Rush.
He knows the trends, he knows what time they show up, he knows what they had for breakfast on the day they show up, and he knows if they don't have that, they're not showing up.
What is there to know?
Anyway, this guy, Donald Green says if it's a close election, this is devastating news for the Republicans to deny Trump.
Okay, fine.
But we know what the drive-bys want by looking at the Boston Globe.
So Reuters is no different to Boston Globe.
So it would seem the Democrats want the Republicans to lose.
The drive-bys want Republicans to lose.
In their minds, that would be nominating Trump.
The plot just continues to thicken out there, folks, and we are the ones to unravel it for you.
Don't go away.
Now, you know, folks, I should have mentioned this.
This is my bad.
This is important.
There was somebody at the Colorado GOP after everything went down over the weekend that tweeted the following.
We did it.
This is after Trump got skunked.
Somebody in the Colorado GOP tweeted out, we did it.
That tweet has been deleted.
The tweeter cla the Twitter, the Twitterer, the twitster, claims they didn't post it.
It's probable that people have it cashed.
We did it.
We did what?
It's clear why they set these rules back in August.
There's no doubt what they were trying to do here.
The reason they took the vote away from the people.
There's no doubt in my mind, it's the party.
They run the show here.
Back in August, that's the beginnings are right at the at the head point here of Trump mania.
And the party can't, they're just, they're just starting to realize here.
Remember what had gone on?
Trump had said four things by then that was supposed to have doomed him.
His numbers are racing to the top.
Massive crowds.
Panic sets in.
There's no question that the party changed their procedure here to take it away from people and do the vote within the party, the delegate selection of the party.
But it's their party, they can do it.
There wasn't any cheating here.
You might say that the people in Colorado decided not to leave it up to the voters.
But Ted Cruz had nothing to do with that.
I had another question for you, since we're doing think peace questions.
Look at it as homework from the Limbaugh Institute.
Another question.
What would happen if the process in Colorado was the process in all 50 states?
What happened if there were no primaries anymore?
Only Republican Party officials gathering at state conventions and choosing delegates for what candidates?
Candidates will still have to announce that they're running.
I mean, candidates are going to have to present themselves to the public.
So you would assume there'd be campaigns and maybe people voting, but what if every state did what Colorado did?
Well, do you know that's the way it used to be?
Do you know that's the way the conventions used to be?
Do You know that's how they used to constitute the Senate.
The Senate was picked from elites because it was assumed that the low information population would blow it.
Because the Senate was supposed to be our version of House of Lords.
The House of Representatives was where low information common people were.
And the Senate was supposed to be where the smart people slowed down and brought to a screeching halt the passions of the farmers, which we were in agrarian society.
We were supposed to slow down the passions of the House.
It was a brilliantly conceived plan, by the way, it was but senators being elected relatively new, like last hundred and fifty years, I think.
Anyway, just things to ponder.
Here is Sean Spicer.
He is the RNC, the Republican National Committee Chief Strategirist and Communications Director, PR guy, essentially.
And he was on CNN this afternoon.
And he was asked about what went on in Colorado.
Trump calling it a rigged vote, other people calling it a rigged vote.
Trump's newly hired strategist Paul Manafort, uh, calling Cruz's tactics Gestapo tactics.
And so they put this question to Spicer.
What do you what what did happen to Colorado?
What's going on out of it what are you people of the party trying to do?
All of these states and territories submitted plans last year.
Those plans were made available to every campaign starting last year.
So candidates in campaigns shouldn't be surprised.
It's up to them to both win a state and then go in and fight to have their slate or their delegates get elected.
In Colorado, they've talked about having a convention since last year.
Everyone's known that.
The process by which our party's engaging in right now is something that we've been engaging in for over a century in terms of each state deciding how they're going to select their delegates.
That's true.
The delegate selection process is not determined.
The actual delegates, who they are, the human beings is not determined by the primary vote.
The party figures that out.
In some cases, you run for election as a delegate.
It's a big honor to be chosen as delegate and go to convention.
Big deal.
It's also a hassle because it's a pain in the butt sitting out there 4,000 people at conventional company.
But it's still it's it's an honor for people who are really into this stuff.
In other instances, the big whigs will call your.
So we'd love for you to be a delegate.
I know people have had that happen.
It's but the party controls it, is how that all can happen.
And whoever, you know, whoever wins in the primary doesn't determine who the delegates are.
That's why it's entirely possible State A overwhelmingly votes for Trump in the primary, but the delegates could be 75% for Cruz.
First ballot, they gotta vote for Trump the way the people voted.
Second ballot, do whatever they want.
You can wine them, you can dine them, you can take them to the Clinton private island and Panama, whatever you want to do to try to get them on your side.
Here's uh here's Laura Littleton, Colorado.
Great to have you on the program.
Hi.
Hey.
Well, I'm a disenfranchised Colorado voter who attended the non caucus caucus.
Yeah, how was it?
Um it was a sham.
There were a few people there, all Republican office people who uh who wouldn't even tell you who they were going to vote for as your delegate.
So you had no idea...
Wait, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Yes.
We had to vote on delegates, but they would not announce who they were going to vote for.
As the So you were you were choosing delegates who would not tell you for whom they were going to support a convention.
That's correct.
Wow.
And who was in charge of that?
Ted Cruz?
I have no idea.
I'm just kidding.
I'm sorry, I'm just I'm just, I'm getting giddy here at the end of the I'm just I'm just I just made it up.
I take it back.
Who did do that?
Who was in charge of making that decision?
The Republican Party of Colorado.
They don't trust the voters.
Um last election we voted for Santorum, which they didn't like, and the election before that we voted for Romney.
You want to hear something interesting.
Folks, History.
Try this.
See if any of this seems familiar.
Mitt Romney, the 2012 nominee, did not quench the number of delegates he needed, which was 1,144 back in 2012.
He didn't get to that number until May 29th.
And that was with the establishment's vigorous assistance.
The establishment was all in for Romney, and he didn't get Santorum.
People have forgotten this.
Santorum was running away with this in the early stages.
And there were people, what is going on?
Rick Santorum.
Romney didn't nail it down until May 29th.
There's a political story about it.
Romney was always seen as the nominee in waiting, a cautious but inevitable frontrunner for the GOP nod, who was well positioned.
But he has always been viewed with deep skepticism by the grassroots.
So the establishment grassroots divide was blamed for Romney's slow process.
Meaning the establishment, they were all in for Romney from day one.
But it took him till May 29th.
That meant there was a divided party.
It looked like it was a divided party all the way through June, practically.
And the establishment blamed the grassroots for that for not going along with who they wanted.
Quick timeout.
We'll be back and continue in just a second.
It'd be Jeffy.
And it's a Rolling Stones, a combined 286 years old.
That's how old they all are.
Tom in Tampa, you're next.
Welcome to the EIB network, sir.
Hello.
Hey, Rush.
Hey.
Thanks for taking my call.
You bet, sir.
Um, I just wanted to uh mention at the very beginning of your program you talked about uh why are conservatives, what are they scared about with uh Trump?
And uh I've been able to do that.
That's not wait, wait, wait.
That's not exactly the I was talking about why there's so much energy opposing Trump when there isn't any opposing Obama and the Democrats.
But but go ahead and answer a question.
I just I want the audience to know I was not asking you want to answer the question, go ahead, but that's not the totality of what I was asking.
Oh, I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood.
No, no, but have at it since that's what you're my perspective is that I've never understood to me, Trump represents everything that I don't like about politics.
He is the typical power-hungry politician.
He doesn't really stand on principles.
He, you know, that would guide him.
He he is about he's not he's not concerned that the country's turning more socialist or that you know the government's more intrusive and that we want to decrease uh government.
He's more concerned with who's in the throne.
That he is not necessarily upset that Obama is grounds, just that he just doesn't like what Obama's doing, and he wants to be in charge.
Well, you're essentially saying in Obama that that Trump is not an ideologue, and I know that.
I I don't I don't disagree with that at all.
And I don't think Trump uh he he obviously somebody thinks government should be used for good.
I I don't think he believes that government is in its basic existence an impediment.
Uh so you're right, you're right about that.
Um but it's all encapsulated in the fact that Trump is not an ideologue, therefore he can't possibly be a conservative as conservatives define themselves.
Uh and I I know that a lot of people oppose him on that basis, that he's not a conservative, and the alternative is it crews is.
I mean, here we've got closest thing we're ever going to have to Ronaldo's Magnus, and seems to be an automatic selection for a lot of people it's not, so it's very frustrating.
Anyway, uh Tom, I appreciate the call.
But the point I was asked, I know why conservatives don't like Trump.
I myself was the one explained that.
My question early on was bouncing off this Boston Globe demand that the GOP stop Trump.
You know, where's the demand that Obama be stopped?
Where's the Demand that the Democrats be stopped, if I'm not mistaken.
The vast majority of the direct damage that's being done to this country is not coming from Donald Trump.
It's not coming from the Republicans.
It is coming from the Democrats.
The Republican problem is they're not doing anything to stop it.
And have it for seven years.
But I just want to see if all this energy in stopping Trump, that's wonderful.
But could we see it aimed at the people really responsible for this?
That's what I don't see.
And it's worrisome.
Sadly, folks, we're out of time here.
But that doesn't mean anything.
We're back here tomorrow in 21 hours.
We never really stop.
We just have extended uh timeouts every day, and this is one of them.
So thanks for being with us today, as always, and look forward to being right back here tomorrow.
▲
Export Selection