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Jan. 28, 2016 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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January 28, 2016, Thursday, Hour #2
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And greetings, my friends, and welcome back.
It's great to have you, Rush Limbaugh, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
Despite everything, I wouldn't trade a moment of it.
Happy to be here, folks.
Fighting the battles each and every day behind the golden EIB microphone.
Grab audio soundbite number 27.
We're bleeding over into the sports world again today.
Here's the phone number if you want to be on the program 800-282-2882 and the email address lrushbo at EIBnet.com.
Do you remember way back, there was a time way back where I worked at ESPN for five weeks?
You remember that.
I was a participant on the Sunday morning pregame show.
And then an episode occurred where the discussion took place over the quarterback at the time of the Philadelphia Eagles, Donovan McNabb.
And two days, two days after that show aired on a particular Sunday, the Philadelphia sports media blew up.
And I ended up resigning from ESPN for a whole host of reasons.
And again, there was an example where something I was said was totally distorted and taken out of context.
Well, it wasn't taken out of context.
It was just purposely misunderstood, purposely misreported.
Have you heard of Cam Newton?
The name Cam Newton ring a bell.
Who is he?
All right.
Cam Newton's a quarterback for the Carolina Panthers.
Do you know what Cam Newton did yesterday?
Cam Newton came out and said, the reason people are afraid of him is that he's a black quarterback.
He's doing what he's doing.
People don't like all the he did, all the endless celebrations, all the constant happiness, redefining the way the position is played, whatever.
It's because he's a black quarterback and people still just not comfortable with it.
And people still don't quite get it.
Now, I wasn't aware anybody was having a problem with Cam Newton.
I hadn't the slightest idea that Cam Newton was being criticized by anybody for anything.
All I've ever seen is endless praise for the guy, deservingly so.
Drafted in 2011, here we are winning the NFC championship five years later and going to the Super Bowl.
So I was kind of shocked when he said this, but I said, okay, been there, done that.
Doesn't involve what I'm doing now, so I'll leave it aside.
Well, it turns out, even when I leave it aside, ESPN doesn't.
This afternoon, on a program on ESPN2 called His and Hers, during a discussion about Cam Newton's remarks, that what he said, Mr. Sterdley, what he really said, he scares people because he's African-American.
That's what he said.
The reason people are afraid of him, which is news to me.
I didn't know anybody was afraid, unless the guy's about to run over you and you have to tackle him.
I can understand being a little fearful, but I didn't know that there was an ongoing fear of Cam Newton.
But he says there is, and it's because he's black.
So the title of this program at ESPN, His and Hers, and they were talking about Cam Newton and his remarks that he scares people because he's an African-American quarterback and people have nothing to compare him to.
So people are scared.
People, they don't know what to make of Cam Newton because he's African-American and there's nobody to compare him to.
So Michael Smith, who is one of the co-hosts, had a comment.
And this is it.
I'm not going to appeal to the least common denominator when it comes to the conversation about Cam.
I'll do it today because he went there.
But to me, and I'll shout on my inner Rush Limbaugh here, are the media so desirous, so hungry for a storyline, for a lightning rod, for a polarizing figure that we're actually inventing one?
There's nothing new under the sun here.
Let's not get so caught up in the moment where we forget that he's not the first quarterback.
Let's just talk black quarterbacks.
He's not the first black quarterback to dance.
All right.
You heard it?
You heard it?
Yes, yes.
Oh, yeah, that's the point.
This guy, Michael Smith, who's been at ESPN for a while, knew from the get-go what I said.
Knew from the get-go that I was being critical of the media.
And this guy even admits he's channeling his inner Rush Limbaugh.
The media so desirous, so hungry for a storyline, for a lightning rod, for a polarizing figure, we're inventing one.
That's the exact thing, or very close to it, that I said that was intolerable at ESPN.
I was accused of violating some mythical promise I had never made not to inject politics in the show while everybody else around me on that show was.
My, my, my, how times have changed.
Now, the very thing that I accused the media of doing, another ESPN reporter comes close.
Well, he's not coming close, he is accusing them of the same thing, inventing something that doesn't exist.
Fascinating.
What were those two ESPNs?
Was it 2005?
The years run together, and I don't, 2005 seems like yesterday to me, so I don't know what my year at ESPN was.
It might have been 2002.
At any rate, we're back, and I just had to share that with you, folks, because it's just, it's unbelievable.
I don't channel my inner Rush Limbaugh here and say, are we in the media so desirous?
And huh?
2003, 13 years ago, unbelievable.
13 years ago, 13 years later, Michael Smith at ESPN decides to reprise Rush Limbaugh.
Now, back to what our last caller said.
I'm not trying to slough that under the rug.
It's a really good point, and we talked about it yesterday.
And that is that on the CNBC debate, after a half hour of just inane, insulting questions, Ted Cruz puts a stop to it.
The important thing to remember here is that the CNBC people, the moderators, they loved the fact that they had become the story.
Don't kid yourself, the media loves it when they become the story.
And don't forget something else.
When we're talking about mainstream media drive-by media, they want to select the Republican nominee.
They want to be the focus and they want to have that power.
They want whoever the nominee is to have to go through them.
And so the RNC stood up and said, you know what?
We've got a future debate on NBC, but we're going to cancel it.
Your moderator's behavior was so egregious and so insulting and so puerile and so infantile, focusing on things that nobody cares about.
We are not, this is what the RNC essentially said.
We are not going to give you the chance to make fun of us, to impugn us to whatever you tried to do in this debate.
We're not going to give you the chance to do it again.
So our caller wanted to know how is that any different than what Trump is doing?
And in the broad sense, there isn't any difference, which is my whole point yesterday.
But when the RNC does it, see, in favor of a whole group, all the candidates, people stood up and cheered.
Because this is the kind of behavior and backbone Republican voters have wanted to see from the Republican establishment.
If the truth be known, this is the kind of behavior that the Republican establishment has not been willing to engage in that we have wanted them to.
Just show some backbone, not some linguini spine.
Show some backbone.
Stand up.
Don't take it.
You don't have to take it just because they're the media and you're Republicans.
Who says the game has to be played that way?
So they backed out of it.
We're not going to give you a chance to insult us that way again, where we just have to sit there and take it.
So here comes Trump.
The difference here is Fox is not consumed or assumed to be part of the mainstream media.
Fox is, by definition and by acclamation, Fox is different and apart from the mainstream media, and it's only one guy pulling out, not the entire field.
But it's still a good question.
If it was okay for the RNC to pull out en masse from a future NBC debate, then why is it so bad that Trump is pulling out?
Because of the way he thinks, and this is what he says, by the way.
I think there's so much more going on here than we know.
I don't think it's, he's not afraid of Megan Kelly.
And he's not, he might be personally insulted over the way he was treated and doesn't want to give them a chance to do it again.
By the way, let's ask ourselves a question.
Let's say Trump is scheduled to be at the debate tonight and is going to show up.
None of anything that's happened here has happened.
He's not pulled out and decided to go.
Let's just play a game here.
Hypothetically, none of this happened.
The debate is tonight, and it's going to be the second time Trump and Megan Kelly encounter each other.
What do you think?
Did you think about this before any of this other stuff happened?
Did you ask yourself, what does Megan Kelly have to do tonight to maintain, say, credibility or whatever?
What pressures is she, in other words, pressured to not back down, to not be perceived as backing down at all?
In other words, is Megan Kelly telling herself she's got to come at Trump hard again or people are going to not take her seriously.
And what's Trump thinking?
How does he behave?
The way he behaved last time, people didn't like it, were a little critical.
Does he tone it down and behave a little bit differently?
These are all questions that people, that's what we would be talking about right now if Trump hadn't pulled out and other things too.
But if Trump hadn't pulled out, what everybody would be, I guarantee you, the focus, what's Megan Kelly going to ask tonight?
How's Megan Kelly going to ask her question?
Is Megan Kelly going to get the first question of Trump?
How's Fox going to deal with this?
That's what everybody would be talking about right now.
So Trump's pulled out, and people are still talking about Trump, but even while he's not there.
But I maintain that there's not a whole lot of difference in the RNC telling NBC, sorry, treat us that way once, and that's the only time.
We're not coming back.
By the way, don't forget the RNC also told National Review, you know what?
We don't want you helping us moderate any future debates.
We're canceling your co-moderator status because of your anti-Trump issue.
Trump is our frontrunner, and you've just run a whole issue on why he ought not be, why we ought to do everything we can to defeat Trump.
We're not going to have you here moderating the debate.
National Review said, okay, well, we kind of expected that.
So it's okay for the RNC to broom National Review.
It's okay for the RNC to tell C and NBC, sorry, we're not giving you another chance to hit us.
Trump pulls out for arguably the same reasons.
And the reactions are much different.
When you can find commonality through each and every decision that we are talking about.
Anyway, sit tight, folks.
We'll come back and continue.
People on the phones here with increasingly penetrating questions and comments.
Don't go away.
Mike Huckabee has announced he's going to show up at Trump tonight at Trump's pro-veteran event that he's doing at the same time the Republican debates on Fox.
CNN will be carrying the Trump event.
Huckabee says he's going to go.
You know, are you a little curious that some of the other Republican candidates have not taken the occasion to also cancel their appearance at the debate tonight?
Since it's obviously a way to make news.
Let's say you're, pick anyone you want.
Say you're Kasich.
No, Kasich's too much of a rules guy.
I guess there's none that would.
They're all their conformists to follow rule.
Let's say Jeb, just make it up here.
Say Jeb does, you know what?
I'm Jeb Bush, and I, too, I'm not going to, but Trump not there, the entire field is not going to be heard.
This is not the way the voters of Iowa should be.
We shouldn't allow the man who's not at the debate to capitalize all of the attention by virtue of the fact that he's not there.
So I, too, am not going to go.
It sounds like a stretch.
When I was thinking about it, I thought it might make sense.
But now that I voice it, nah, it doesn't.
Here's Bruce Muskegon, Michigan.
Great to have you on the EIB network.
Hello.
Thanks, Russ, for taking my call.
You bet, sir.
I agree with you that Trump is, what Trump has been saying for the last six months has been appealing to all of us frustrated Americans, or at least most of us frustrated Americans.
His appeal, and I'll give him credit for it, has been that, you know, I can get things done.
But that doesn't necessarily make him a strong conservative, conservative, or a person with strong moral values, which I think we need in the next president.
But having said all that, I think there's one flaw, fatal flaw, which I don't think you're recognizing, or at least I haven't heard you talk about it on the radio.
And that flaw, I think, is the same flaw that we've seen in President Obama.
Both of these men, I'm convinced, have narcissistic personalities.
I mean, a person has an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration, a lack of empathy for others, and behind this mask of altered confidence, they have a low self-esteem and are very vulnerable to criticism.
And this characteristics, which I'm convinced Trump has, is one of many flaws we've been witnessing for the last eight years in President Obama.
And we just don't need another narcissist in the White House.
And I just wanted you to comment on that.
I think Bill Clinton was in that list of people that you have just described as well.
Well, that's true, but just to take this case last day before yesterday.
He gets picked on, or he can't take a comment from Kelly on Fox News, Megan Kelly, so he picks up his toys and goes home.
Do you really think?
Let me take the occasion of your call to put something out on the table.
Do you really think that's what's going on?
Do you really think Trump's deciding not to go because of what Megan Kelly says about him or because of a fairly significant?
Well, no, no, no, no, no.
But no, you're right.
I've been listening to you the last couple of days, and you're right.
He's got everybody's attention.
But there, again, that's a narcissistic characteristic.
He has to be in the spotlight.
I agree with you.
He's controlling the media.
He's controlling the situation.
But when he can't control it, and this is the flaw that our President Obama has had, we've seen it in Obama for the last eight years.
He just can't be wrong.
He just can't take criticism.
He's just, I'm convinced he has self-love esteem.
And he just, I just, I'm just so frustrated and seeing what's this characteristic in Obama, and I'm afraid that's exactly what Trump has.
Okay, so who out there does not have these characteristics, but yet satisfies you on issues that you think is I would vote for Carly.
I would vote for Carson.
I'd vote for Rubio or even Cruz, any one of those four.
What do you mean, even Cruz?
Well, Cruz, I think, is, I like Cruz.
Okay, maybe I should have said even Cruz.
Cruz, I think, is a very good candidate.
I think he's very, very to the right.
I'm very conservative.
And I would certainly vote for him.
I'm hoping, I don't think he could pull maybe as many independents in as Carly could.
Carly would be very good.
Carson would be good.
I mean, Carson is a man that he just thinks he's great, but of course, he doesn't get the press.
Well, he is.
He doesn't get the press.
I mean, there's no finer man walking the planet than Dr. Carson.
But we need a strong conservative with moral values, Rush, and we need one who, again, who, again, we don't need a narcissist in the White House.
And that's what we've had for eight years, and I'm convinced that that's what Trump is.
Is that what bothers you about Obama?
That he's a narcissist?
No, no, no.
All his policies.
I mean, it's a legit.
No, no, no.
It's a legitimate question.
I understand that there are personal characteristic traits that drive people crazy.
I have my own that I can't handle.
I can't stand all liars.
I can't.
I have no tolerance for people who are pathological liars, to my face, who think that they are fooling me.
I cannot help it.
I expose them.
I let them know, and that makes them dangerous.
They become very dangerous.
One of my pet peeves, Obama, there's no question he's a narcissist.
He's a single, what is he called?
Only child syndrome.
He's been told how wonderful and great he is his whole life.
But that alone is not problematic.
You add that to his arrogance attached to the superior attitudes he has about his ideology.
And it's a bad package.
I have to agree with you.
Your guiding light, Rush Limbaugh.
Talent on loan from God.
Happy to have you with us, folks.
The telephone number, if you want to be on the program, is 800-282-2882.
And the email address, Elrushbow at EIBNet.com.
Let's grab audio soundbite 15.
I found some soundbites that are not about me.
You know, I'm rethinking this whole rush soundbite thing.
And Cookie isn't going to like this.
But I'm thinking about putting a ban on soundbites using me where they get it wrong.
What is the incentive for these people to get it right if I continue to give them all kinds of attention?
You've had 27 years of them getting it wrong.
What's the point of regaling it every day?
Hey, folks, here's the media's latest example of making it up about me or lying or getting it wrong about me.
Isn't this funny?
Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck.
Instead, we'll play soundbites when they get it right.
Soundbites, when they talk about me and get it right, that's when we'll use them.
It's entertaining to hear me react when they get it wrong.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But we do have some soundbites.
Cookie just sent me some that are not about me.
And I'm looking at, well, I thought so.
Megan Kelly giving an interview to Better Hair.
Oh, yeah, O'Reilly begging Trump.
Did you see that?
O'Reilly begging Trump.
O'Reilly begging to Trump to do the.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Grab soundbites 17 and 18.
Trump did show up on Fox last night at 17, 18, and 19.
Previously agreed to appearance.
This was long ago scheduled.
And Trump had a, Trump established a, I don't know, requirement.
He told O'Reilly, I'm only going to do this if you don't ask me about this debate that I pulled out of.
Don't ask me about that, and we'll be cool.
But don't ask me about the debate.
If you do, we have a problem.
And O'Reilly did.
And he did more than that.
So let's just go to the audio soundbites here.
We'll start here with number 17.
It's the O'Reilly factor last night.
O'Reilly says, look, in your Christian faith, there's a very significant tenet, and that's the tenet of forgiveness.
And I think you should forgive not only journalists who come at you in ways you don't like, but I think you should be the bigger man and say, you know what?
I didn't like it, and you should make the case all day long, but I'm not going to take any action against it.
You know, don't you think that's the right thing to do?
So, O'Reilly, not my question is, did somebody tell O'Reilly, look, you've got to get him back.
You got to go beg him.
You've got to make sure we get Trump in this debate.
You've got to do what it takes.
Or is O'Reilly doing this on his own for the sake of the network?
Folks, there's so much internal politics going on.
You can't possibly imagine what all is going on.
I know it, but you can't possibly imagine what's going on here.
Anyway, this is what was reported as O'Reilly begging Trump to forgive Megan Kelly.
Here is the soundbite.
It probably is, but, you know, it's called an eye for an eye, I guess, also.
You can look at it that way.
No, no, no.
That's all testimony.
Bill, no, no, no, no.
You are taking the Christian.
The eye for the eye goes out.
Here's what it is.
Turn in the middle.
Let me tell you, you're taking this much more seriously than I am.
I'm not taking it seriously.
I'm going to have a wonderful time tomorrow night at 9 o'clock at Drake University.
But you're depriving the people of seeing you a forum they need to see you in.
No, a lot of press will be there and everybody.
We're going to help a lot of veterans, whereas Fox is not giving anything to the veterans.
I'm giving 100% to the veterans.
Right.
So that was followed with O'Reilly saying, you know, Putin's going to come at you.
The mullahs are going to come at you.
Certainly the terrorists are going to come at you.
And it's going to be personal.
They're going to do everything they can to diminish you.
And as a president, you have to rise above that and do what's best for the country.
And this exposition we're talking about today, people are going to say, you know, Trump, he's just too self-absorbed to be president.
He needs to look at the bigger picture.
There's got to be something because you set the all-time record in cable history, and so did CNN.
And so they want to know you, Bill.
They want to know you.
A lot of people don't know me.
You're not giving them the opportunity to know them.
I was pushing it like I'm not walking away.
That's really productive.
Notice the two questions here so far.
The two questions are: look, you got to be the bigger man.
You have to forgive Megan Kelly.
You have to turn the other cheek.
You have to be bigger than Fox News's.
You have to do it, Donald.
You're running for me.
You have to do it.
And then the second question was, this is the way the rules of the game are.
This is the way it all hands comes down.
Hey, hey, you know what?
You got to deal with Putin.
You got to deal with the Ayatollahs.
Terrorists are going to come at you.
What are you afraid of?
A little journalist?
You can't do that.
You've got to face these people.
And I have always been suspicious of that analogy.
I've always, it's nothing more than the media Using subterfuge to get their way because I don't think any of this is about fear, and I don't think it's about narcissism.
I don't think Trump is afraid of Fox News, and I don't think he's afraid of Megan Kelly, and I don't think he's afraid of the Ayatollah's, and I don't think he's afraid, not of what they would say.
I don't think Trump's afraid of anything anybody would say here.
I think this is that there's far more depth to this.
There are far greater, but see, nobody can look beyond the way we've all been trained to look at it formulaically.
And the formula here, the rules of the game are: you've got to go, you've got to do it to me, you've got to answer their questions, no matter how infantile, no matter how insulting, no matter how puerile, you have to.
That's part of being president.
You've got to put yourself through that.
You have to subject yourself to whatever indignities there are.
That's the rule.
That's the game.
And if you don't do that, you're not proving you can take it.
And we have somebody here who says, you know, I don't want to do that.
I'm going to try to get elected without having to go that route.
Why should I?
Why should I sit down and knowingly allow people to insult me, lie about whatever they're going to say?
Why should I say, and why do I have to take it?
What does that say about me?
How does that make me a bigger person to sit there?
Because all presidents must have humility.
We're not talking about humility here.
You're talking stupidity.
You want me to purposely sit there and let somebody insult me or treat me in an inane way, and I got to sit there and take it and swallow it because that's just what you do.
Sorry, I have better things to do.
And folks, I'm telling you again, if none of this had happened, and do not doubt me on this, if none of this had happened, if this debate were scheduled and Trump was going to appear, what do you think the only thing they would have been talking about on cable news last night was?
What do you think it was?
It would have been Megan Kelly.
What kind of question is she going to ask?
What kind of attitude is she going to have?
What's Trump going to do?
How's Trump preparing for it?
And they would be interviewing all these experts.
What do you think the best way for Megan Kelly to come at Trump in debate number two?
Following what happened in debate when they replay the soundbites of Megan Kelly asking a question and Trump answering it.
Now we've got debate number two.
We've got face-off number two, cage match number one, however they set it up.
What do you think Megan Kelly?
You'd have been so sick and tired of hearing it by now, you might not have watched the debate because that would have been the focus.
And on the other hand, same focus on Trump.
How's he going to deal with whatever Megan Kelly, and not just Megan Kelly?
You're going to have who else?
You're going to have Chris Wallace and Brett Baer.
You know, and they might not have been happy the way Megan Kelly was treated after the first.
So maybe they're going to come in and load it for beer.
And again, if you follow me, what would therefore the focus of the second debate be?
The media and how they are going to behave.
What will their strategy be?
The objective, as you know, in many places in the media is to take people out.
That is how, in certain areas of the drive-by media, you climb the ladder.
You take somebody, you destroy their career, you expose them as a fraud, whatever.
You take them out.
That's how you climb the ladder.
Good, good takedown, they will say.
Don't let that braggart get away.
Don't let that narcissist, don't let that big-headed egomania get away.
A way to cut them down to size and so forth.
And people would react: come on, you know, I just want to hear what these guys think about X. I just want to hear what they think about the Keystone pipeline.
Can you stop?
And truth is, people want to see the beatdown.
People want to see the cage match.
People want to see all this stuff.
That gets reducto ad absurdum, as I so cleverly pointed out.
Yes, anyway, Trump's, I just, I don't want to go there.
I'm not afraid of anybody.
I just, well, you can't be afraid of the Ayatollah.
I don't think fear is a factor here.
The real question is: is this strategic?
Or is Trump just acting on impulse?
Did he decide just two days ago?
You know what?
I don't want to do this debate.
Or has he known for weeks he wasn't going to do it and has been waiting for the right time to make the announcement?
Is it part of a long-term objective has Trump has with somebody at Fox, the network at large, the media at large, and how he is going to be responding to them?
The media needs access.
They crave it.
They demand it.
They want it.
One thing you're watching here, you're watching Donald Trump negotiate in public.
This is a negotiation.
And I know he's got the veterans thing tonight that he's doing, and Huckabee has announced that he's going to show up over there.
Would you be surprised, any of you, if Trump actually shows up at the debate tonight?
You would or wouldn't.
You'd both be surprised.
Would you be surprised if Trump walks in around halfway into the debate in a commercial break, walks in and tries to assume his place, even though there won't be one,
tries to assume his place on stage, deciding after watching the first hour of it that it's so boring and the show needs him so badly that he's decided to put aside his feelings for Megan Kelly and help Fox save their show?
You can't see that happening.
You cannot see that happening.
Do you think that at some point down the road, Trump will do his own response to the debate?
For example, since he wasn't there, other Republicans on the stage are going to be asked questions.
Do you think Trump might, at one of his appearances scheduled for, say, next week in New Hampshire, decide to plan one as my response to the Fox debate and structure his appearance so that everything he talks about, or most of it, is answering the questions that were asked of the other candidates in his own.
You would be surprised if he did that.
Okay.
Well, yes, yes, yes.
I'm just throwing out possibilities.
I'm just, I don't, no idea what's going to happen.
I'm just trying to get the temperature people and find out what it is that they think might happen because until it starts without him there, there are some people that aren't going to believe any of this is real.
If the whole thing is a stunt, we'll be back.
Don't call.
This is funny.
Cookie found three soundbites today where they get it right.
Three sound bites.
Three out of a soundbite roster of over 20.
Okay.
Let's see.
Betty in Fort Myers, I'm going to do, you will save these Huckabee soundbites.
They're not about me.
It's about Huckabee joining Trump.
He's trying to twist the screws on Cruz here, I think.
I guess what the huckster's doing.
But we'll get to that in a minute.
Here's Betty in Fort Myers.
It's great to have you.
Hi.
Well, I'm a long time dittohead.
I've listened to you since 1988, my husband and I. Well, you're a lifer.
Thank you so much.
I really love you.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
I'm honored to be able to finally call in to say that we've watched Fox News since it came on the air, and we loved it.
And I loved Megan Kelly.
But now Megan Kelly has become the queen of Fox News.
And the things that she's done on all her shows have been, you know, not as nice as we used to think she was.
She doesn't like you.
Her eyes go up.
Her rudeness is there.
And she's become very, if I was her, I would have said, let me stand aside.
Let me, let me.
Let me, Betty, if I may, give you a couple of things here in reaction.
And tell me what you think.
I'm not trying to change your mind.
I'm not telling you you're wrong or any of that.
I just want to get your thoughts on another way of maybe looking at this.
Megan Kelly is.
Would you agree that she's a beautiful woman?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, would you also agree that that may not be an asset when it comes to perceptions of talent and professionalism and competence that people might be sidetracked by that?
And so she might feel the need to do things that would cement and convey that she's not just a pretty face, that she's far more substantive and deeper than just her appearance.
And in that sense, remember her first show, when she got this 9 o'clock show, her first guest was Ted Cruz.
And Ted Cruz opened.
by congratulating her, and she wanted none of it.
She didn't want to, no chumminess, no great.
She asked him her first question, what's it like to be the most hated man in America?
And he was just trying to be nice.
And people mentioned that.
And I said, I think she's just trying to establish it.
She's serious here.
She's not just a pretty face on television that's going to go buddy-buddy and chummy-chummy getting along.
She's serious.
She wants to be taken seriously.
And given that, you might see her do or say certain things that rub you wrong, but it may just be her effort to cut through noise and be taken seriously as a journalist, as a professional, rather than a pretty face occupying a chair.
Well, you know, yes, I can see where that would be because she is very lovely.
But I think that she's been very disrespectful of Trump.
And I think Trump is really outgoing and outsmarts them all.
And I think that the rudeness that she's had, when she keeps saying, I'm going to be there.
I'm going to be there.
All right.
Well, that's, unfortunately, I'm up against the constraints of the programming.
I'm out of time.
But Betty, we will continue with this.
We'll talk.
No, I don't think Trump's going to make a surprise appearance on Fox.
I think Trump is going to try to cream Fox by outrating them on CNN.
That's what I think is going to happen.
But we shall see.
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