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Nov. 11, 2015 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 11, 2015, Wednesday, Hour #3
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Happy to have you here.
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So just to review very quickly the whole series of hoaxes.
At the University of Missouri, what really got it going was Obamacare.
Regulations requiring graduate students no longer be furnished health care on American college campaign.
And the University of Missouri enforcing that.
A graduate student named Butler, who comes from a railroad family.
Father earned $8.4 million last year, went on a hunger strike, thinking the university was racist, sexist, bigoted, and homophobic, or whatever else it was because he didn't get his precious little health care.
And it turns out that it was all Obamacare's fault.
And that led to all other hoaxes.
The uh the poop swastika that nobody can prove ever existed.
The KKK chapter on campus that has now been admitted to as a lie.
Um evidence, yet allegations of people downtown and on campus shouting the in-word at these fragile and very delicate University of Missouri children.
And then of course, the the incomprehensibly painful, tortuous reality of having to see the Confederate flag.
Decals on cars in town.
There's no evidence for that.
No evidence for any of this stuff.
Two people of uh well, three people are out of work, including this this latest mass communications studies professor, what have you.
All the hoax.
Now let's go to the audio sound bites on the debate, because there's some doozies here, and we've been talking about this.
We may as well listen to some of things actually said.
Let's get started here.
Um actually, before we get the debate sound bites, a couple of setup pieces.
Let's start with Stephanie Ramos.
This is good morning America.
No, I'm sorry, this is America this morning.
This is long before good morning America.
Uh and she is a correspondent reporting about last night's Republican primary debate.
The moderators for the most part sticking to policy, which has some analysts saying that shift led to a boring debate.
Yes.
See, this this debate was a disaster for the drive-by's because there was nothing happened here they can tar and feather and destroy and ruin Republicans with, other than to say, hey, you know it was boring.
Well, I'm gonna tell you what, drive-by's, it was boring for me too.
I've kind of enjoyed liking getting used to seeing our guys take you people in the media out.
And I missed that last night.
That kind of cuts both ways.
Talking to Ted Cruz after the debate, Neil Cavuto happened to uh mention me.
You're at Russ Limbaugh, and we've never built monuments to moderates, right?
Let me put it this way.
If you define as a Reaganite, anyone who was with Ronald Reagan in the primary in 1980, do you know Republicans have never once nominated Reaganite for president after 1984?
Every Republican nominee from 84 on opposed Reagan in 1980.
I'm 44 years old.
I have never once been able to go and vote for a Reaganite for president.
And if you look at why we're losing, if you look at the numbers, the most striking difference between 04, the last race we won in 08 and 12, is the millions of conservatives who stayed home in 08 and 12.
And if we want to win, we got to bring them back.
Which takes us to David Axelrod, who was on Anderson Cooper 360 last night, who um offered this opinion.
This is interesting because this it seems to me is the debate that the Republican Party has to have.
Each election, the Republican Party has nominated a center-right kind of establishment Republican at the end of the day, and they've lost uh the popular vote five out of the last Six elections.
You hear conservatives like Ted Cruz say we need a real conservative.
Maybe you guys have to run the experiment.
Well, what do you think of that?
What do you I mean, these guys generally tell us what they're most afraid of.
But here's Axelrod.
Is this a rare moment of candor, or does Axelod think he's tricking us?
Yeah, you might say it's a rare moment of candor because you want to believe that he means it.
You desperately want to mean you desperately want to believe he means it because you desperately want to believe that a Democrat can see us fairly.
And so you're looking at Axelod.
He by the way, he's right about this.
We keep nominating these moderate little linguini spine guys, and they do keep losing.
He says, you know, maybe it's time to run the experiment and actually run a conservative.
I mean, that is the last time you guys won.
I mean, it might not have actually been one, but you said he was said he was, and people believed it.
Here's Axel Rod answering question about Jeb Bush from Anderson Cooper.
He said there were times when it seemed like Jeb was quibbling about not having enough time on the last debate.
Did uh how did Jeb seem to you, David?
Did he seem strong enough?
Is it possible that he's just not good at this?
And I don't know that he's ever going to be good at this.
I actually think what happened in this debate is that John Kasich came in very energetically.
Now his views may not appeal to the base of the Republican Party.
He's going for independence in New Hampshire, but I think he completely shoved Jeb out of the main frame here and became the main advocate for that point of view.
You know, it's amazing.
If you look at one of the reasons I think this debate was good last night, is because there is not unanimity of opinion on anybody.
I mean, you can find people who think that Kasich was good last night and aced Jeb out.
You can find people who think Jeb stopped the bleeding last night.
I mean, there's a lot of people, and I'm talking about analysts on our side now, because I don't care about the lift.
In this instance, andless on our side, yep, Jeff uh might not have helped himself, but he certainly didn't hurt himself anymore.
Yeah, Jeb might have stopped the bleeding.
Jeb might have uh made the donors feel a little bit better tonight.
Yeah, Jeb started off really strong and then it kind of tapered off toward the end of the debate.
But there's a lot of consensus that Jeb did well.
Most of the consensus is that Kasich bombed, but here's Axelrod.
Kasich, hey, pretty smart guy.
He's going for New Hampshire, he's going for the moderate independence here, and uh I think he aced Jeb out.
Here's Chris Steyrwalt, the political director at Fox News with Megan Kelly, who said Carson and Trump don't want to lose their standing, but they also want to grow their share of the electorate, their neck and neck, Carson and Trump.
But they need more.
They need to collect some of the votes of those under guys so that they will get out, and they can then run away with it.
I can tell you, having seen John Kasich's performance, that stage is going to get smaller still.
That was a dire performance that he gave.
He scolded his own party from pen to post.
He gave an answer on bank bailouts that was flabbergasting.
And I could not believe it was so much in the mold of John Huntsman.
It was so much in the mold of the Republican who's running against his own party.
It's like, dude, you are in the wrong town.
Yeah, I can see that.
Uh dire performance, scolded his own party.
A number of people have observed that.
That uh it didn't come off well because basically Kasich was telling everybody in his own party that they're stupid and don't get it.
Um, so that's Chris Steyrwald at Fox.
Now let's go to the actual audio sound bites from the debate.
This is Trump and Kasich going at it over immigration.
For the 11 million people, come on, folks, we all know you can't pick them up and ship them across back across the border.
It's a silly argument.
It's not an adult argument.
It makes no sense.
All I can say is you're lucky in Ohio that you struck oil.
That's for one thing.
Let me just tell you that Dwight Eisenhower, good president, great president.
People liked him.
I like Ike, right?
The expression, I like Ike.
Moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country.
Dwight Eisenhower.
You don't get nicer, you don't get friendlier.
They moved a million and a half people out.
We have no choice.
And Harry Truman even more.
The combination of Truman and Eisenhower, we deported 6.4 million illegal immigrants.
We either deported them or they left on their own in advance of being deported.
But the numbers are a little over 2 million for Eisenhower.
And in the three and a half to four million range for Harry Truman.
And these deportations happened at a point in American history where we were not permitting any immigration of any kind.
You know, I still shock people when I tell them this, if they don't know it, that there was no immigration in America from 1924 to 1965.
There was none.
People don't believe it.
And then when I explain why it makes sense.
Well, because we had all of this immigration in years prior, we had to assimilate these new immigrants.
They wanted to be Americans.
We had to assimilate them.
They can't believe there was never any, but there were people trying to get in.
There were illegals, but they were deported.
That was the point that Trump was making.
Now, Kasich, however, was having very little of it.
He continued.
And Trump eventually gets tired of being lectured.
Jerry Gerald, it was just what happened to my question.
You're not going to have my back.
I'm going to have my back.
First of all, you should let Jeb speak.
We have grown in the world.
No, it's unfortunate.
The fact is, all I'm suggesting, we can't ship 11 million people out of this country.
Children would be terrified in the wilderness work.
Built an unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars.
I don't have to hear from this.
I don't know what it's got to do with anything.
I had built an unbelievable company with billions and billions of dollars.
I don't have to hear this.
Yes.
And Jeb finally gets in on the action here.
And he advocates for the Democrat position on amnesty.
Listen to this.
Thank you, Donald, for allowing me to speak at the debate.
That's really nice of you.
Really appreciate that.
What a generous man you are.
Twelve million illegal immigrants to send them back, 500,000 a month is just not possible.
And it's not embracing American values.
And it would tear communities apart.
And it would send a signal that we're not the kind of country that I know America is.
And even having this conversation sends a powerful signal.
They're doing high fives in the Clinton campaign right now when they hear this.
That's the problem with this.
Right.
And you heard some applause there from that was the donors in the audience.
Chamber of Commerce was there.
And I mean, Bush has got his supporters.
And they believe this.
I mean, when he says, by the way, who says 500,000 a month?
Who says that you've got to do this inside of a year?
Who's put a time frame on this?
You know, once you start doing it, it's going to speed up.
This is dynamic.
It's not static.
If this were to ever begin.
But it's not embracing American.
What?
American values that are ignore the law.
American values, what about the American worker?
What about what about the issue of the economic impact of all this?
These people look at this as a compassion, civil rights issue.
Here's Ted Cruz to uh clean it all up.
What was said was right.
The Democrats are laughing.
Because if Republicans join Democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose.
The politics of it would be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the Rio Grande.
Or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press.
Then we would see stories about the economic calamity that is befalling our nation.
And I will say for those of us who believe people ought to come to this country legally and we should enforce the law.
We're tired of being told it's anti immigrant.
It's offensive.
That was the moment of the debate for me, because this is the issue.
And Cruz framed it.
You know, I opened the program today saying this is this is one of these things that's so obvious that I I've I've been remiss not mentioning it because it's something that's so obvious, I just figure everybody on our side understands.
I too am tired of being called anti-immigrant and racist and all this stuff, but it is, it's an economic issue.
And it the idea that the left and the moderates in our ring try to sell this as as a civil rights issue and it's a compassion issue.
And I addressed it last week.
This is what's wrong with that is well w wh these are not even Americans.
Why are we bending over backwards to satisfy police people who are not even Americans at the expense of people who are?
The American people have expressed it in so many ways, election after election, poll after poll.
They do not want people to be able to violate our immigration law.
They want the law to stand for something and they want it to be enforced.
And they're ignored, and they're called names.
Anti-immigrant, racist, bigot, whatever it is.
So Cruz cleans this all up by saying none of that's true.
We're not opposed to legal immigration, and then tying it into the fact that there's a dire economic consequence to all of this for actual Americans.
It's depressing wages, it's hurting employment overall.
It's one of the reasons that 94 million Americans are not working.
Anyway, up next, when we get back, we're going to still some of your phone calls to get in, but Kasich and uh Rubio and others weigh in on the hypothetical question of whether or not to bail out a big bank if it gets in trouble.
Hey, did you like did you like Rubio's line last night that welders make more than philosophers?
He's going on, what's wrong with vocational schools?
What's this notion everybody's got to go to college for?
What the hell?
Vocational schools used to be big.
Welders make more than philosophers.
And they do.
They do.
It's a great point.
Back to the phones, James in Houston.
Thank you for calling, sir.
Great to have you here.
Hi.
Hey, Rush.
Happy Veterans Day.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Same to you, sir.
Rush, um, going back to the Missouri incident and um no pun intended.
This thing is kind of smelled from the start.
Rush, I I grew up in New Orleans and uh ended up migrating up to Northeast Kansas where I played college football.
And numerous, numerous teammates were from Missouri.
And I can tell you that back in the early to mid-80s, you know, my my brother and I were just struck by the racial tolerance that existed in that part of the country.
And when all this started coming about, you know, in the last week or so, um, I had just happened to see the ESPN 30 for 30 special on Coach Bill McCartney from Colorado.
And they interviewed several of the black players that played for Coach McCartney in the 80s and 90s.
And Rush, I gotta tell you, I think part of this hoax is we've been victimed by a Biden, and that this is all plagiarized.
When you listen to what these kids from Colorado were saying, it's word for word the uh Missouri kids, players and and the students were saying.
I mean, almost word for word.
And it it struck me that you know, they couldn't even be creative here and come up with their own set of issues and grievances.
They just plagiarize these Colorado kids.
Well, it's you know what?
It's an excellent point, but it isn't plagiarizing.
It's the playbook for the left.
I mean, the left runs these things, the radical left runs these things.
The students, no matter how energetic and enthused they get, are the pawns.
They're kids for crying out loud.
They get walked into it, walked into it, talked into it, roped into it.
Um, and they get juiced on the power they claim to have, or they're told that they have in doing these kind of things.
But there is a playbook for this kind of uh community organizing and social upheaval, and I'm glad you noticed it.
You know, there you the uh you're not telling people what the nature of the problem was the University of Colorado back in the days when McCartney was coached there.
Uh but there were all kinds.
There was in it in addition to the racial problems, man, there was all kinds.
I mean, they were cheerleaders were taking recruits out on sex parties.
Uh and maybe not even cheerleaders, but uh it was it was it was well, it was pretty encompassing, uh, shall we say.
But you're right to notice that the technique and the words and the phrases, they're timeless.
Obama used them.
Ask you a question.
Touched on it a couple of times today.
Let me see how up to speed you are.
Why did the students and the teacher not want the media amongst them?
Remember that media studies for the mass media called for muscle.
You can't come in here, she said to the photographer.
You can't come in here.
We want the media here, you can't come in here.
Why?
This doesn't make any sense.
Why did the protesters not want their buddies?
I mean, they're best buddies of the media.
The media's on their side, the media's making her case.
Why wouldn't they want them?
There's an answer to this.
Why wouldn't they want the media there?
Well, I think the answer to the question is that the same people who raised Helen Ferguson are raising hell in in Columbia, and they didn't want the media to see up close and personal that the same people they saw in Ferguson are here in Columbia.
I I that's part of it.
I I think I think there's an element also of distrust.
They've got their narrative, and they don't want the media attaching their own narrative to it.
So they've got their own narrative and they want to hold on tight to it, and they want their buddies in the media come screwing it up.
But I also think that they wanted to make like Mizzou was independent and not tied to any other protest movement, when in fact it's directly linked to Ferguson and Black Lives Matter and all these malcontents that have bust in from Oakland, California that were in Ferguson raising hell there.
Uh let's see.
Here's here's James in Rochester.
One more call back to the audio soundbites of the debate.
Hi, James, I'm glad you called, sir.
Hello.
Hello, Rush.
Uh I'm calling because at one point I got really aggravated with the moderators during the debate last night.
It was during the climate change question, they went to Rand Paul.
And when Rand Paul got done with his answer, I heard Ted Cruz start speaking up.
I thought, this is going to be great.
We're finally going to hear our viewpoint on this thing.
And instead, they cut him off and went to Jeff Bush.
And the exact same thing happened in the first debate.
You know, I didn't know I didn't draw that connection, but I did notice that there were a bunch of questions asked that I wish every one of them would have answered.
You're right, Rand Paul's the only guy that got to weigh in on climate change.
And it's a sitting duck for our side.
There's all kinds of I would I frankly I want to hear what Trump thinks about that.
Yeah, me too.
He was just uh Well, it tells you a lot.
I'm telling you, it'll tell you a lot about people when you get them to opine on climate change.
Because if they in any way sign on for it, you've got to be dubious.
I don't care who they are.
There was another question that only Marco Rubio got.
And Marie Barcheromo, Maria Barcherromo, the moderator, the money honey, got booed by the audience when she started reciting Hillary Clinton's resume as though it was impeccable.
And she then asked Rubio, why are you better than this?
And I thought that was a I mean a hanging curveball.
That right over The middle of the plate.
And I think he was so shocked by the question.
He said, Well, let me begin by uh beginning.
And I wish other people, I mean, that's the whole reason they're there.
I thought it was a great question.
I don't care that the money, honey, got booed, and I don't think it was fair that she did, but it's irrelevant.
She doesn't care.
It's a great question.
That resume is just made to be blown up, sliced and diced.
And I gotta tell you, I don't think Rubio did it.
He got the last half of his answer scored well on that.
But I think for some reason, uh, you know, you go in, you're prepared to hit Hillary in the tab, but but the way she asked them to do it, oh, here's her resume.
I mean, it's what everybody thinks.
The resume that was presented, this is what the media thinks is what the Hillary supporters think.
It's a great resume.
This, that, more qualified, all these travel, Secretary of State, first lady, first female, blah.
More experience than any of you guys got.
Why are you better than she?
I mean, it's made to order.
And I wish they'd all been given a chance to take a whack at it.
One more.
Maybe two more, but uh Jim in Minneapolis, you're next, and thank you for calling it over, sir.
Hey, thank you so much, Rush.
Um, regarding the University of Missouri protest, I'm getting some glee um regarding the fact that it's actually happening at a university.
It's sort of like these protesters are uh biting the hand that feeds them.
Yes, I understand this.
It's a little shaden Freud.
Here are these citadels of higher learning, the academy, these institutions of higher learning where all the brilliance in the world is located and concentrated.
And here it's being cast as a citadel of racism and bigotry and homophobia, and it's just a bunch of liberals.
You're exactly right.
And I it's a great way of putting it, too.
Um I've I think that it's what, in fact, uh this is what O'Reilly was saying, Mr. Snerdley.
He was saying he heard me say that uh I mean you can't expect much else than this if the professors are gonna poison the minds of the students with all of this rot gut about how horrible America is, how unjust, how unfair.
At some point you have to expect that they're gonna believe it.
And at some point you have to expect that they're gonna act on it.
You can't whip people into this kind of a frenzied rage and have them stay peaceful.
You're gonna make them mad.
And the professors have been teaching this garbage for decades now.
And it's erupting right in their classrooms and right on their precious campus.
And it is delightful.
That supposedly the purest places in America, citadels of higher learning, actually end up being nothing more than mass collections of racists and bigots and sexists and homophobes.
Back to the audio sound bites.
We're up to sound by 13, John Kasich.
This is the bailout uh question, and this is Kasich and Cruz uh going at it over what happens if Bank of America is a hypothetical question.
Bank of America looks like it isn't gonna make it, and they can't make it without a bailout.
What do you do?
Kasich up for When a bank is ready to go under and depositors are getting ready to lose their life savings.
You just don't say we believe in philosophical concerns.
Philosophy doesn't work when you run something.
What would you do if the bank was failing?
I would not let the people who put their money in there all go down.
As an executive, I would figure out how to separate those people who can afford it versus those people or the hardworking folks who put their money in those institutions.
I don't care that what you do, that is not conservative.
That's not conservatism.
And it's not informed.
When a bank is ready to go under and depositors are getting ready to lose their life savings, you don't just say we believe in philosophies.
You gotta believe in something.
Philosophy matters.
Core principles matter.
John Kasich made it clear that he's got a lot of philosophy and core principles, but they don't really matter when you really start governing.
Just boggles my mind.
The philosophy, yeah, you guys have all the philosophy you want.
You have all your beliefs you want.
But I've done it.
And when people are suffering, and when the families are hurting and people are losing everything, you gotta go in there and be able to broom all that philosophy.
You gotta go in there and be able to commiserate with people and tell them you feel for them and know how they're feeling, you gotta save them.
And your philosophy is workless.
Your philosophy and your core beliefs are what guide you here.
But then he compounded it by saying, I wouldn't let the people who put their money in there all go down.
As an executive, I would figure out how to separate those who can afford to lose everything versus those hard working folks who put their money in the institutions.
So he would means test losing everything.
And if he determined as an executive, abandoning philosophy, that some people could afford to lose everything.
By the way, how do you do that?
Who can afford to lose everything?
Snerdley.
You have everything defined as everything you want and need.
And some some bureaucrats gonna come along and say, you know what, you look like a guy, you can afford to lose everything.
But your neighbor over there really needs me.
The philosophy is going to do everything.
He needs me because I really feel his pain.
I really identify.
I can relate, I have compassion, I have a big heart, I know and I love people, and I'm gonna fix it, but you you can lose everything.
I can I can just determine it.
How do you make that determination?
You don't.
And then the second thing is, or actually the third thing here is that when a bank is ready to go under and depositors are getting ready to lose their life savings.
That no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
They're FDIC.
I must have at when this was happening.
I must have had emails from five friends of mine who are either bankers or retired bankers.
And the email is all just FDIC, FDIC, 250,000 per account, FDIC, F D I C. He didn't even know it.
He works for a banker did.
Or if he knew it, he forgot it, what have you.
I it may well have known.
I just think I I think what's going on here there was such New Hampshire.
Moderates, voters.
I think such a desire, such a uh uh maybe a strategy, an intense strategy to prove that he's compassionate, conservative, big hearted, understands the pain of living, and is willing to commiserate.
I think the strategy was to make that point above all else.
And once the idea of a bailout and a bank losing everything and customers that was made to order for a candidate to demonstrate how he cares and understands suffering.
And he would broom his philosophy.
He would broom everything philosophically, because he understands his suffering, and he would relate to and unite with and identify with the sufferers.
And he would determine who could afford to lose everything and who couldn't.
And here we go.
Another brief time out.
Sit tight.
We got more.
We always have more after this.
Now I'm getting ready.
I've got to interview my brother after the program today for the next issue of the limbaugh letter, the December issue.
He's got this new book out.
Just came out called the Emmaus Code.
E M M A U S. And it's his second book on Christianity.
I mentioned this a little yesterday.
He's uh I don't want to say devout, scholarly is the thing.
He's he's well, he is devout, he's devoted to God and to Christianity and becoming a scholar on it and has uh been doing so for the last 20 years.
This book, I I can imagine this book is going to, I don't know, shake people up.
I mean, it's you have the Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Old Testament is separate from the new.
The new is the birth of Christ on.
His contention is the old testament has evidence of.
The Old Testament drops hints.
The Old Testament indicates, if you know how to read it, the coming of Christ.
And he has written a book making this case.
And I don't know that anybody's ever tried to make that case.
And it's it's a challenging.
That's why I thought it would go great for our December issue, the uh Christmas issue.
The Emmaus Code.
So he's he worked harder than anything he's ever worked on in this book, other than when he was at the University of Missouri Law School overcoming racism there in order to uh graduate.
Yeah, so I mean I've had to do my own fair share of studying just to have decent questions for this interview.
So if you're out there I know you're all trooping to stores to pick up Rush Revere and the Star Spangled Banner, but to look for the Emmaus code while you're there the same same time.
Who do we have next?
Jennifer in St. Louis.
Hey Jennifer, I'm glad you called.
Great to have you with us on the program.
Hi.
Oh, I'm so glad I got on today.
I am an educator here in uh St. Louis, a suburb of St. Louis, south of St. Louis.
And uh What suburb?
Uh Fenton.
Fenton, yes.
I've driven through it countless times.
Yes.
And so I'm an elementary school teacher, and I was coming home from I got sick at school.
And um I have a daughter who is a freshman um at Mizzou who had to come home because she felt threatened.
Um she is a part of the Greeks uh the Greeks there at Mizzou, um, a sorority.
And there is oh man, I could have been on your show all day.
I have to.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
You have a daughter.
Wait, you have a daughter in a sorority who is not afraid of the men, she is afraid of the racist climate.
Oh, oh yeah.
Um what happened was, and this is straight out of a horse's mouth.
What happened was apparently there's some been some chatter on social media that um a select group of blacks in Columbia, I'm not saying that they're students, um, are going after the Greek system because those are the white privileged people.
Yeah.
I would totally believe that.
And she felt threatened by that.
That is not that is not language that my daughter would normally use, so I guess she got that off of social media.
Um she is home to.
I bet she's probably heard it being shouted on campus.
White privilege is the new uh phrase that used to justify every racial protest in the country today.
White privilege.
Even I've I've had stories on this program, Jennifer, of college male college students uh feeling guilty over the white privilege they've had.
They've come out, they've talked about it.
The professors are making them feel guilty at all their white privilege.
It's a seminal fundamental aspect of of college education these days.
Well, she um you know, and in a glimmer of hope at the end of your program today.
There are a lot of kids like my daughter who cannot believe the fact that the media is telling lies.
I mean, she is getting she's getting an education, all right.
It may not be the one we sent her there for.
Well, you know what?
Jennifer, I'm out of time here, but you you've got to tell her something.
Tell her not to forget this, and tell her it's this way every day in the media about other things too, in politics, not just what's going on at Mizzou.
Make sure this is a learning teachable moment that she doesn't forget.
Fastest three hours in media, they're gone for today.
But what a rock'em sock'em rock on program it was.
And tomorrow we'll be as well as they all are.
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