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May 28, 2015 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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May 28, 2015, Thursday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 podcast.
Now, folks, I think it's only fair to warn you, another one of these distracting, distracting mornings.
And sometimes those lead to actually very good programs.
Today's distraction, I don't even want to bother you with, but I'm just telling you my mind is 50% devoted to fixing it, even as we start the program.
However, I'm going to use the complete, utter, utmost professionalism and sweep it aside.
And greetings, great to have you here.
The telephone number is 800-282-2882.
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I told you, folks, you know, it just, I hate to come here with this know-it-all attitude.
I don't mean to portray that.
But I mean, this is it.
It's a giant yin yin yin.
See, I told you so.
And it's not something difficult to predict.
All it took was the courage to do so.
And in fact, the first time I made this prediction goes all the way back to Hillary care.
Back in 1993, 1994, I made the prediction, a prediction, based on what the whole purpose, the real long-term purpose of Hillary care was.
And then I made the same prediction again once Obamacare surfaced.
And the prediction, by the way, many, it's not singular to me.
Anybody with a modicum of understanding of liberalism and history could have easily made the same prediction, or maybe thought the same thing, might not have gone out on the limb to make the prediction, but it was and is that all of this is a smokescreen for the real coup degras.
The real purpose of Hillary care, the real ultimate goal, the end point is single-payer, government-run, cradle-to-grave, no insurance company, no insurance industry healthcare.
That has been the objective from day one, 50 years ago, when the left first began talking about health care.
That's where they ultimately want to go.
And all of this chaos that is part of Obamacare is part of the design.
All of the rampid cost increases, the inability of average ordinary people to afford it, the inability of average ordinary people to even find out what it is and to get the best policy for them,
the increasing difficulty in getting treatment, the increasing difficulty in actually having health care, much less health insurance, is all part of the grand design to get to total government control of health care.
Call it whatever you want, single payer.
I don't like that term because the low information crowd thinks, hey, single payer, government pay for, oh, wow, cool, that makes sense.
That's not cool.
It doesn't make sense, but it, you know, single payer sounds simple, which is why I don't like the term.
It's misleading.
Socialized medicine, government-run medicine to me, government-run healthcare is the preferred term.
And we've just taken a dramatic step closer to it, again by design.
And right here it is in the Associated Press.
New York Assembly votes for universal health coverage.
Now, we're not there yet, but this is the next step.
This is the next phase.
And in a liberal mecca like New York, it's practically, You can't miss it.
I mean, they're just being very open about it now.
The New York Assembly voted 89 to 47 yesterday for legislation to establish publicly funded universal health coverage in a so-called single-payer system.
It's an AP story.
Now, for those of you who don't know, the New York Assembly is the lower house of the bicameral legislature, and it is heavily Democrat.
The New York Senate is the other half, the upper house, if you will, of the New York legislature, and it has just become majority Republican.
But that fact no longer guarantees that the Senate will kill the bill.
It wasn't that long ago that the Republicans existed to kill ideas like this.
Democrats come along and propose a massive expansion of government.
The Republicans would move right in to stop it.
But now, because it's healthcare, because Obamacare's tentacles are now woven deep like a huge web of deceit, Republicans everywhere, New York, Washington are feeling scared to death at the prospect.
Oh, no, we don't have to take anything away from you.
Oh, my God, they'll hate us.
If Christine is taking away a benefit or an entitlement, and that's part of the plan, too.
Just don't care how it operates.
Don't care whether it works.
Just implement it.
Obamacare, just start.
It doesn't matter if it works or not.
In fact, the more it doesn't work, the better for the long-term goal.
My only point, just because the Republicans run the upper house in New York State does not automatically mean that they are going to stop this.
And of course, we have a governor, a New York Democrat, the son of Mario the Pious, the late, Mario the late pious.
I know New York can't afford to do it.
Nobody can afford to do it, but it's not stopping anybody.
It's not stopping us from anything that we want to do.
It's not stopping anybody in Washington from doing anything they want to do.
The fact that we don't have the money for it.
So here's the, the Senate is poised to kill the bill in New York, but if you read to the end of the story, what you find out is that the Republicans in the New York Senate are working on their own version of the bill, not killing it.
They're working on their own version.
And it mirrors the Republicans in Washington who are making these public claims of opposition to Obamacare threats or promises to repeal it and so forth.
But in truth, they're scared to death of this upcoming Supreme Court decision.
So it's not axiomatic that we have a Republican Party that wants to ditch Obamacare.
And it's not assumable axiomatic in New York State that Republicans in the Senate there would kill universal health care in New York State.
Back to the AP story.
All New Yorkers could enroll.
Backers said that it would extend coverage to the uninsured, and it would reduce rising costs by taking insurance companies and their costs out of the mix.
Yes, exactly according to plan from decades ago.
Except, ladies and gentlemen, Obamacare already theoretically did all of this.
Everybody was supposed to be able to enroll.
Backers said that it would extend coverage to the uninsured, which it did.
But now we learn the uninsured can't afford to use it because they now have insurance, but they can't afford the deductibles.
So it's, for all intents and purposes, they don't have it because they can't use it.
And we were going to get rid of the evil insurance companies.
Remember how that was a big part of the sales pitcher in Obama?
Because they had, after all these years of attacking capitalism in corporate America, the Democrats had succeeded in convincing many Americans, the insurance companies were thieves.
And of course, some insurance companies convinced people of that on their own.
They're not totally innocent here.
But the Democrats certainly piled on.
But all of this has already happened.
Obamacare already did all of this, and there hasn't been any reduction in cost, and there hasn't been any broad-based sign up.
I mean, we're not better off in Obamacare.
It's an absolute disaster.
And here come the people in New York to fix it, part of the plan, by saying, you know what?
You know what?
Let's just scrap everything.
Let's just simplify everything.
Let's just sign up everybody.
If you've got a social security number, you're signed up.
And we're going to cover you from the state.
And that's it.
Single payer, go to the doctor whenever you want.
And that's it.
Let's just cut to the chase.
That's what they're saying here.
But folks, Medicare and Medicaid were built on the same premise.
Obamacare was built on the same premise.
But nevertheless, everybody saw this coming.
This is why.
This is why they were so hell-bent on passing Obamacare without any concern for what it actually ended up being because that wasn't the point.
Just get the entitlement going.
Just get the benefits being paid out.
That's all they cared about because they realized, the Democrats, that once that started, it's going to be next to impossible.
Despite all this talk from the Republicans about repealing it, there hasn't ever been an entitlement repealed except for one little change to Medicare that the seasoned citizens nearly scalped Rostinkowski over back in the 80s.
Outside of that, there has not been one that died.
Has not been one that's been repealed.
They didn't want the glitches ironed out.
The glitches were there on purpose to create the chaos so as to establish the scenario where a benevolent governor or a president or any other politicians, you know what?
Let's just get rid of all this complicated stuff.
Let's just go single payer.
Isn't it easy?
And the masses are supposed to go, yay.
And that's, I'm just telling you, New York is the proving ground or the test case.
Listen to this next from the AP on this.
With no patient premiums.
Oh, wow.
What a panacea.
No premiums?
Are you kidding me?
No deductibles?
Wow.
You mean there are no deductibles?
No, there aren't.
And no co-payments for hospital and doctor visits or testing or drugs or other care?
New York Health would pay providers through collectively negotiated rates with no patient premiums, no deductibles, no co-payments for hospital or doctor visits, testing, drugs, New York Health, that's the single payer system as it's been titled here.
New York Health would pay providers through collectively negotiated rates.
It would be funded through a progressive payroll tax paid 80% by employers and 20% by employees.
There's no mention here what the tax rate's going to be.
Now, that's a little detail that they'll hit you with later.
So while you're thinking, wow, no patient premiums, no deductibles?
Yeah, wait till you see the new payroll tax.
Somebody's going to pay for that, and it's always going to be us.
No matter how many times they say the word free, no matter how many times they concoct misleading names like single payer, universal health care, whatever, you are going to pay for it.
One word, did you see the way the FCC did today?
Or maybe it was yesterday.
Tom Wheeler, FCC, right on clockwork, right on schedule, said we need emergency funding for people in rural areas who do not have broadband internet.
We need emergency funding for people in the sticks who are not able to log on to the World Wide Web.
Well, look, why don't we take the confiscated tax revenue that's been taken from every phone customer for the last 75 years to pay for phone service for people in the sticks and just take that and move it over to internet?
Why a new bunch of money?
Why not take the money we're already spending on phone service?
Because they don't need it anymore.
Everybody's got phone service one way or the other.
We don't need to be subsidizing phones for farmers.
We don't need to be subsidizing phones for people that live out in the sticks.
They've taken care of that.
But now we've got a new reason to keep the program alive.
For some reason, they're just a bunch of poor people and rural people and hayseeds and so forth that do not have the internet.
And by God, we can't expect them to pay for it.
Why would we?
That'd be mean spirited.
So we have to come up with a plan to, they're just going to be asking for more money left and right on the basis the poor don't have enough, they can't get enough, rich have too much, middle class has too much.
So here comes the first putsch for socialized medicine right on schedule, happening in the state of New York.
One more little tidbit here says, waivers would be sought.
So federal money now received for New Yorkers in Medicare, Medicaid, and Child Health Plus would apply.
Well, hello, complication.
This is a simple little accounting thing that these two bureaucracies, the governments in New York State and Washington, will totally screw up and make an even bigger mess.
And this money will all go missing someday.
But here is Assemblyman Richard Gottfried.
Ready for this?
Employees, I'm sorry, employers are shifting more and more health care costs to workers or they're dropping it entirely.
The only ones who benefit are the insurance companies.
And so because these employers are not playing ball, we're going to have to fix them.
And all of this is exactly what Obamacare was designed to make them do.
And by the way, this notion here, the new payroll tax, where the employer pays 80% and you pay 20%, no, you pay 100% of the payroll tax.
I mean, you may think that the employer is paying half today and you pay.
You may think that the payroll tax is you being taxed and your employer matches it.
You may think that's what's happening, but it's not.
You are paying 100% of your payroll tax.
And I'd be glad to explain that again if anybody needs it.
In the meantime, I got to take a quick time out here.
Sit tight, my friends.
Table set.
Back with much more after this.
Don't go away.
Yeah, just like clockwork.
Here come the emails.
You don't know what you're talking about, Rush.
What do you mean, employers?
Employees pay 100% of the payroll tax.
It's just silly.
It's another one of these things that you say.
It makes it sound good, but it's just not true.
You shouldn't lie to people like this.
Okay.
All right.
Let me go through this again.
And it's useful, my friends, only in the sense that it will help you understand how you're being taxed.
And the purpose of that, of course, long term, is to have as many people educated to the fact that we're all overtaxed right now.
We do not have an under-taxation problem in this country.
We are overtaxed.
The government has no spending discipline whatsoever.
They always come back to us for more money and blame us in either direct or indirect ways.
But I'm going to use the payroll tax.
I'm not going to use the existing percentages because they're convoluted.
I'm just going to use a payroll tax at 10%.
In this example, you believe, and payrolls, by the way, is FICA on your pay stub, if you even see one of those anymore.
But the popular belief is, is that FICA is for Social Security.
It's your money, your Social Security, and that you are taxed a certain amount up to $120,000, your first $120,000 earned every year.
And the employer, in his benevolence, matches your contribution to your own Social Security plan.
When in truth, these are mandated taxes, no different than the income tax, no different than any other tax.
They are mandated.
But the fact is, you are paying all of it.
The idea that the employer is matching your 5% for a total of 10 is simply PR to make you think that you're not paying all of it.
Because one of the jobs of government is to somehow keep people from understanding just how overtaxed they are.
The way to understand this is, I'm going to use another number that may not be all that applicable.
Let's say you make $100,000 a year.
That's your negotiated salary.
That is your take-home pay.
And you are taxed on that gross amount.
And at the end of the year, you'll take home, again, an arbitrary number, but close, $75,000, let's say $70,000.
You never see, because it's deducted before you ever, you never see the $30,000 that you've also been paid.
It's just taken off the top and sent to the government first.
All you see is your net.
But it's actually costing the employer not $100,000 to hire you, but probably depending on your health care package and your Social Security, it might be costing that employer $115,000 to $20,000 a year to hire you.
But you only see $70,000 of it.
Think about that as we take a brief pause.
Be right back.
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All right.
So you work for a place and they're paying you $100,000 a year.
And let's change the tax.
Let's say you're taking home $75,000.
I'm just going to make the numbers up to get close.
So you see of what you think you're being paid, $75,000.
You know that federal taxes are what they are.
And so you understand that there's deductions and this and that happens.
You know that when you are paid $100,000, that's not what you get.
You get $70,000.
But you're actually being paid a lot more than that.
Don't know it because they're lying to you about how it's all categorized.
Let's take your health care package or any that and whatever other benefits that you have where you work.
You think that you're being paid 100 grand, but the truth is it probably costs, in my example, $120,000 to employ you.
And out of that $120,000, the employer has to pay.
I mean, it's not his either.
You just never see it.
Out of the $120,000 it costs the boss to hire you, you see $75,000 of it.
Now, the health care benefit is not entirely free anymore.
There are costs to you, but it still costs the employer whatever it is that he's been able to negotiate with his insurance health rates or what have you, or however you now get your health insurance.
Maybe you don't get it at work anymore, but in the days when you did, it worked this way.
Now, let's go to FICA.
You believe that you are paying 5%, in my example, and the employer is paying and matching 5%.
The fact that you're paying all of it because that's what it costs the employer to hire you.
You just never see it.
You're paying every bit.
So when New York comes along and says the way we're going to fund our new single-payer health plan is with a new payroll tax, where the employer will pay 80% and the employee will only pay 20%, you're going to pay 100% of it, folks.
It's going to cost the employer that much more to keep you employed.
It's money being paid to keep you on the payroll.
A lot of money being paid, but not to you.
It's going straight to the state of New York in this example.
All the money that all Americans are paid that they never see that first goes to taxation.
And then the government comes along and tells you little fibs about, well, yeah, you have Social Security, but that's your insurance account.
That's your retirement account, which you now know is not true either.
And the employer, we are going to make the employer match your contribution.
There's no matching.
There's a total FICA payment due, and all of it is deducted from what it costs to hire you.
And my only point here is: what if you figured out you're being paid $100 and say $25,000 or $30,000 a year when you think you're being paid $100,000?
Would you rather have all of that yourself and be responsible for your health care and for your Social Security?
Or are you content to let $30,000, $40,000 be taken away from you before you ever see it for all of these government-run programs, which have been demonstrated to be totally inefficient and they don't work.
And now, I just saw this the other day, too.
This is starting to percolate again.
That is, more and more unions and more and more private sector companies are announcing that they are not going to be able to meet their pension requirements.
And this is another dirty little secret.
Underfunded pensions all over this country are in the trillions of dollars, but there still is a lot of money in those accounts being managed by somebody.
And governments, state, local, and federal, have their eyes on that pension money and they just can't wait to get their hands on it.
And one of the ways that'll happen is if either the company you work for, the industry you're in, the union you're a member of, will finally say in frustration, we just can't, we can't continue this because we are underfunded.
We're going to have to offload the pension plan here because we can't guarantee everybody is going to get what they were promised when they retire.
And the federal government's going to come, oh, well, we'll take it.
We'll gladly take it.
And then they'll tell you that you're going to get 50 cents on the dollar for it when you retire.
There's no end to government grabbing your money, money that you're working for and money that you are earning.
Now you add to all this the 93 million Americans who are not working, but who are all living off of all of these others who are somehow producing wealth and income that is being taxed and redistributed by the government.
When you stop to think how much of what you really earn is being taken from you before you ever see it and before you even have a chance to decide how it's spent, in fact, it really isn't yours except for tax purposes, and then of course it is.
You pay taxes on all this money you never see, including FICA, including Medicare, which is own separate department now, just like FICA is.
It's its own separate deduction.
So just maybe a little long and drawn out here, but when I saw that the way they're going to pay for single-payer in New York is with a new payroll tax, and the employer is going to pay 80% and the employee only 20%, and I stop and think of how many employees are going to be duped and thinking, wow, what a cool deal.
I'm going to get universal health care for only 20% more payroll tax.
You might lose your job if the employer is required to pick up 80% of the new payroll tax on everybody.
He might not be able to afford that.
The odds are he won't be able to afford it.
And 20% of nothing is 20.
Or is rather nothing.
20% of nothing is zero.
But the left continues to act like this, just a bottomless pit.
The golden goose is just continuing to produce money and wealth no matter how many assaults on the goose, no matter how many attacks on the goose, no matter how much money is taken away from the goose, the goose is still always going to be golden and plentiful.
And it isn't.
They're in the process of wiping it out.
So I just keep a sharp eye.
Now, they tried single payer in Vermont, you might recall, and they gave it up after three months.
Governor abandons single-payer health care plan this December 17th of last year, calling it the biggest disappointment of his career.
Governor Peter Shumlin said Wednesday he was abandoning plans to make Vermont the first state in the country with a universal publicly funded health care system.
Going forward with a project four years in the making would require tax increases too big for the state to absorb.
Shumlin said, What do you mean, tax increases too big for the state?
What he means is the people.
His citizens don't have the money to pay in taxes what the single-payer health system would cost, and yet it's all being presented to everybody as a way to cut costs, a way to finally drive down that cost curve.
That's the new lingo.
Yeah, we got to get that cost curve going in a different direction.
We've got to get that cost curve pointing down.
When has it ever when health care is involved?
Health care and government equals costs going down.
When have you ever seen that?
You haven't and you won't.
But it doesn't mean New York is going to give it up and stop trying to.
It doesn't mean that Obama and the Democrat Party, because remember, it is the utopia panacea that they see for it.
Now, Mrs. Clinton, much as I try to relegate Mrs. Clinton to the outer regions of this program, it's becoming more and more difficult because she just keeps forcing her way.
I mean, she does things that we just can't ignore.
Things happen with Hillary and Bill Clinton that we in good conscience just can't ignore.
One of the latest is we've learned that the Clinton Crime Family Foundation has been paying Sidney Blumenthal $10,000 a month to go out and do their dirty work.
And it's in and of itself, it's not a big deal, but you add it to all of the other things that we are learning about the Clinton Crime Family Foundation.
Now we got Paula Jones out trying to warn everybody, don't let Bill Clinton back in the White House.
Women are not safe there.
And Hillary knew it.
God bless her.
I mean, she's just trying to alert everybody to what happens to women when Bill Clinton's around.
And the left, supposedly the group that cares more about women than anybody in the world is just not interested.
When Bill Clinton's doing the abusing, it's not a problem.
And Hillary Clinton knew it.
And Paula Jones is saying, do not let him back in the White House.
He is a disaster waiting to happen for any woman he runs into.
And Hillary knew about it.
Hillary knows about it.
And she did.
She ran the bimbo eruptions.
Now, I mentioned to you some time ago, back in just a week or so ago, that I was observing that the drive-bys were actually getting worried about Hillary and her performance or lack of performance and just everything.
And I think there's evidence now to suggest my prediction may be coming true.
I'll show you what I'm talking about.
We come back.
Don't go away.
Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair.
Here is the prediction I made, or the observation I made back on Friday last week, May 22nd, about the media and Hillary Clinton.
I think there's a Clinton obsession going on now.
And I think they're scared to death, if you want to know the truth.
I think they're worried silly over Mrs. Clinton's chances.
They can remember what happened in 2008.
And despite what they're writing, this is too much, folks.
All of this overboard on Hillary's greatness and Hillary's competence and the cover-ups of her obvious incompetence and her obvious detachment and her obvious personality flaws.
All that stuff never gets mentioned.
We just hear about how wonderful and smart and brilliant and effective and all this.
And I think it's betraying the fact that they're worried.
Yes, indeed.
And I think they've been worried for a while.
It's all of these things that are eating at them.
And they're worried that they're not going to be able to cover up for all of it.
And they are worried that Mrs. Clinton herself is not going to be able to overcome it, no matter how much assistance that she is given.
Now, as a brief little example, John King, CNN New Day Today, he's their chief national correspondent.
And he was talking about a new CNN poll on the Democrat presidential race.
If you're Hillary Clinton, you're not nervous here.
You've gone from 60 down to 57.
I do think it's interesting that Bernie Sanders has nearly doubled his numbers here.
Now, again, he's been getting a lot of media attention.
He just officially got in the race last month, had his big rally this past week.
You know, I'm not worried if I'm Hillary Clinton, but I'm going to watch that a little bit.
He is moving.
Well, if you're not worried if you're Hillary Clinton, why talk about it?
They're worried.
When a dork like Bernie Sanders can move in there and take points away from Hillary, they're worried.
Martin O'Malley is lurking out there with his abs and his pecs all flexed and ready to go.
And Elizabeth Warren is out there on the warpath, too.
Don't doubt me that they're worried.
And it's going to flavor the way they do things with her.
And it's important, folks, because they thought, maybe better say, they hoped that it was going to be smooth sailing after 2008.
They hoped it was going to be a slam dunk.
They hoped it would be regal like coronation.
They thought that they had done enough damage to all the Republicans that it just wouldn't matter what they did.
And now this rollout is not happening.
She doesn't look good.
This yesterday, where was she?
We've got the tape coming.
South Carolina, North Carolina, somewhere, where she just started again with this, I ain't no way tart, except she didn't do a black southern accent.
She just tried to do a southern accent while talking about the fact that she does know about coloring her hair.
And it's just stiff as she tries to make women think that she's just one of them.
She's just like every soccer mom out there.
She's just like every other woman.
She can't pull that off.
She told a joke and she needed it written down on cue cards.
And it was a lame joke at that, but she needed the cue card to consult.
Today's show.
This is a portion of Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington, talking about Mrs. Clinton's wealth.
Hillary and Bill Clinton are being trailed by questions over money, including foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation and their own finances after raking in $25 million in paid speeches since the beginning of 2014.
Fueling the controversy, recent revelations from the AP that Bill Clinton had a shell company, WJC LLC, in which money could pass unreported.
With the election still more than a year away, Hillary Clinton is trying to avoid making her wealth a liability, like Mitt Romney in 2012.
Oh, no, they didn't do that, did they?
Oh, no, no, no, that's not supposed to.
You're not supposed to say Mitt Romney in the same sentence with Hillary Clinton when you're talking about the same thing, wealth.
When you're talking about pass-through corporations, unreported income, schemes, and money, you're not supposed to be linked to any Republican like Andrea Mitchell just, specifically Mitt Romney, who, aside from the Koch brothers, may be the meanest and most vicious rich guy in America, according to the Drive-By Media campaign in 2012.
I mean, this is a guy that routinely risked his dog's life by putting it on the top of the family station wagon.
And this is the guy who looked along, looked idly by with no interest at all while an employee of his wife died of cancer.
I mean, that's the picture they painted of Mitt Romney.
And Dingy Harry, saying a good friend of his, told him that Mitt Romney hadn't paid his taxes in 10 years.
So they ginned up all of this hatred for Mitt Romney because of his wealth.
And now here comes Andrea Mitchell, Anne Washington, linking Hillary and her husband to wealth and problems in the same way.
They talk about Romney.
And she wasn't the only one.
Back to the Today Show.
Savannah Guthrie talking with F. Chuck Todd, who moderates Meet the Press.
She said, you made the argument that potentially the Clintons' wealth and their complex finances, this shell company that Bill Clinton has, latest example, it's a potential liability along the lines that Mitt Romney faced up back.
Oh, no.
Now Andrea Mitchell mentions Romney and now Savannah Guthrie asks F. Chuck to comment on it.
About 2011, the Barack Obama campaign did everything they could to make Mitt Romney seem like other.
Us versus them.
He's one of them.
He's not one of us.
And his wealth constantly throughout 2011 and then 2012, whatever they could find, how he paid his taxes, would he release his tax returns, everything, all of it was designed to make it look like he wasn't about them.
And that's what's going on right now with the Clintons.
All of a sudden, they're the wealthiest candidate running for president, but Hillary Clinton is, wealthier than even Jeb Bush.
Oh, now you might say, Rush, they're just getting this out of the way early so they can say down the line, down the road, they've already covered this.
But there's more, they're worried.
My only point here, I don't know how it's going to manifest itself.
I'm not making a long-term prediction.
I don't know if it's going to mean, I'm just telling you that in the moment, they are worried.
They're worried they're not going to be able to pull her out of these coals.
Fire.
They're worried and that she can't do it herself.
And when they start linking her and thinking of her the way they think of Romney, don't doubt me.
That's not good for her in their mind.
Would you believe it if I told you the majority of women arrested and imprisoned in San Francisco are black?
Would you believe me?
And that it's not even close?
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