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Aug. 14, 2014 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 14, 2014, Thursday, Hour #2
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I had not heard the real reason Obama did the press conference today.
And I was wrong about the real reason he did the press conference.
Well, I was not I was not totally wrong.
I mean the tweet from last night, the the the press release, good time had by all.
While the country is burning and while the world is burning, it didn't go over well, and it was retweeted all over the place, and that that was a factor.
But I only had a chance to hear what Obama said about St. Louis.
The real reason he did this is what he was saying when we were still in program content time and I was not able to listen.
He came out and he did a victory dance over the trapped Yazidi in Iraq, that we don't need to mount a rescue mission.
It's not as bad as we thought.
He was a great commander-in-chief.
That's why he did this.
We dropped a bunch of food and water in there, and we helped these people able to escape ISIS on their own for the most part, without us having to mount a military escape uh plan for them operation.
And he came out to beat his chest about what a great commander-in-chief, what a what a great uh what a great uh operation it was.
That was the first thing he said, and I didn't hear that because we were still on the air in the program here, and he got to St. Louis second, and and that was when we were commercial breaking what I was uh what I was able to hear.
And in that, again, he just said that that the cops need to be transparent uh in their investigation, and that the uh uh we were all one American family, and that we uh we need to unify and come together, and that and that we can do it.
And it was Cyanara.
I don't think he took any any questions.
The governor of Missouri Jay Nixon, uh before Obama came out, did his own town hall meeting type of event in Ferguson.
Here's a portion of what he said.
This community which has been torn apart by this horrific and bad occurrence over the last week.
So we need that safety.
But we also need to allow folks who want to express their energy in an appropriate way to have the absolute right to do that because we will not get the healing that we all need if the only response from the public is y'all just be quiet.
Right.
There is a certain level of emotion that must be expressed in order for us to reach a higher plane.
Now, folks, this goes exactly to the point that I made to our first caller today from Ferguson.
Our first caller, if you didn't hear it in the last hour, said that he was very happy that the cops are doing what they're doing, protecting property, that they are being not tolerant at all of people engaging in further unlawful activity.
If they spot it, they're shutting it down, they're stopping people, if need be, they are arresting them.
He said that people who live in neighborhoods nearby where the rioting and looting is taken place are scared, and that he's very happy and that and and somewhat comforted by the fact that the cops are taking a hard line against any more of this lawless behavior, and he wanted us to know that he supported the cops in this regard.
He also made the point that the McDonald's where these reporters were sitting working is boarded up because it was vandalized, which was a little bit conflicting with the reporters themselves, who said they were in there and buying stuff from McDonald's.
But I want to go back because the governor here just said something.
I I I want to restate what I said to this caller, and I know this is true.
I know it's true because I've had emails from people who uh say it, but even I didn't I don't need emails.
I know people so well.
I know the kind I I just do.
What triggered all of this?
What appears to be a really bad mistake, a police officer in Ferguson shooting an unarmed black teenager.
No excuse.
Bad.
Very bad.
That's horrible.
There are some people who believe that the cops need to admit to people outside of a formal investigation.
They need to show people that they realize that this was a very bad thing, that their fellow officer did.
And that one of the ways they can do that is to, you know, sometimes look the other way when vandalism is taking place.
And understand that people are going to have these reactions.
And if you let them do a little looting, if you let them engage in some questionable civil unrest.
And if you let them get it out of their system that you'll end up having peaceful circumstances prevail much sooner than if the cops act like hard-line East German Stasi officers.
In light of that, here came the governor of the state of Missouri, who said, so we need that safety, but we also need to allow people who want to express their energy in an appropriate way to have the absolute right to do that.
Now he's not advocating lawbreaking, and I don't want anybody misquoting me on this.
Not my point, but he is in a very predictable way.
He is, he is, he's suggesting or advocating that some kind of behavior here in reaction to an unwarranted, uncalled for, maybe discriminatory act needs to be understood.
You do understand the rage.
I mean, the cops once again shot a black kid.
And if people are going to be fit to be tied over this, they're tired of it, and if they go loot, if they go do this, well, just let it happen and back off.
You know, give them a couple days, get it out of their system, and then start clamping down.
Now he did let them blow off some steam.
Now, he didn't say that because he said uh in an appropriate way, but still the the attitude of the mindset is uh is there.
Now people have the absolute right to do that because he said we will not get the healing that we all need if the only response is y'all just be quiet and just keep arresting people at breaking the law.
Just keep giving really strict enforcement of the law.
Uh, because there's a certain level of emotion that must be expressed in order for us to reach a higher plane.
That means we gotta let some of these people get out of their system.
Now, again, don't anybody misunderstand.
I'm not suggesting that the governor is telling the cops to look the other way when people break the law.
Not at all, and don't anybody misquote me.
But the the mindset here is the same, minus the law breaking.
And it is the reason I'm pointing this out is because I know when that caller called and he said that he was happy and proud what the cops are doing, he's tired of vandalism and he feels very secure that the cops are protecting people in the neighborhood.
I know that there are much people listening to this program, people in the audience who were shouting at that guy.
Well, yeah, easy for you to say the cop didn't kill your kid.
I'm just telling you that there are a lot of people when the police are supported in the aftermath of one of these circumstances, there are a lot of people who don't like it.
And they think that the police should know that.
They think the police should be aware that everybody hates them after an event like this, and it just, you know, kind of don't clamp down so hard on people.
And when if you don't do that, if you just let it let them blow off steam, then we'll get to peace a lot sooner than if you guys continue to just be hard asses about this.
I know that that's a a popular thought with a lot of people, because I know you fill in a blank.
I know them, folks.
I know how the thought process goes.
I know what conflict resolution 101 is.
I know that they believe that two wrongs sometimes do make a right.
Because one the second wrong is the payback.
Hey, if somebody's gonna commit a wrong, we better allow the people who are victimized by it to commit their own version of the wrong ending were even.
A lot of people think that way.
The governor was essentially saying, hey, people gotta blow off steam, and maybe if we let them do that, not so strictly enforced things.
He didn't say let people break the law.
Don't anybody misquote me.
I know that's gonna happen, but I'm saying this over and over so that you listening know that I'm not saying I'm not putting words in the governor's mouth, but the mindset is two wrongs to do make a right sometimes.
At any rate, uh let's see Oh, one more.
Remember General General Honore from uh Katrina?
Russell Honore, he's not retired, he was on CNN this morning.
Carol Costello spoke with him.
She said, General Honore, I went to New Orleans when you were there, and one of your guys pointed a gun at the crowd, and you yelled at him.
You said, Do not point your weapon, put it down.
And I was impressed by that, General.
I was impressed that you would tell your guy not to point his weapon at people.
I was kind of taken aback by it same time.
And here's what General Honore said.
Anytime we have policemen pointing weapons at American citizens, uh, they need to go through retraining.
And I think we're about 24 hours too late that the governor should have stood in here and brought in a state police and pull that police force off the line, they are gonna have a hard time re-establish credibility to protect and serve on those streets after this type of infraction has occurred.
That is why the the governor, uh, I think should come in with the state police, not National Guard.
State police.
So what he's saying is once the cops screwed up here and shot the black kid, their credibility should get them out of there.
They're never gonna be able to keep peace.
They're never gonna be able to have any credibility.
They can't get away with telling anybody not to break the law because what'd they just do?
So sweep them out of there and bring in the state police.
The state police in this case would be uh unbiased.
They would be unaffected, not involved, therefore untainted.
Bring them in, let them police, not the guard, not the military, the state police, the troopers.
And well, but General Honore is saying the cops lost their credibility with this incident.
This infraction.
They lost credibility and they don't have time to reestablish it.
So bring in the state police, and let them handle it till this situation is resolved.
And I guess what he then put the Ferguson police back on the street.
And his, well, that's I'm just I'm just playing the soundbite for it.
That's just what General Honore said.
Don't look at me.
Back to the phones we go, John and once again in St. Louis.
Welcome, sir.
Great to have you on the program.
Hi.
Hi, Rush.
Uh first time caller, long time listener.
Great to have you here.
You thank you, sir.
Yeah, I'm a retired physician who lives in North County in St. Louis, about two miles from all the demonstrations that are going on.
And from my perspective, we've been here for over 30 years.
I'm glad the police are stepping up and do this.
Well, a lot of us are concerned about the violence in you.
You gotta remember the protesters have a right to protest as long as it's peaceful.
But around five or four thirty, five o'clock every night, it turns violent.
And I personally would like to see the police step it up even further to crack down on this lawlessness and vandalism that's going on here in St. Louis.
This is it's pathetic to see what's happening here to allow these people to break the law consistently.
Their uh so-called collective indignation is is not uh appropriate.
A year ago, last fourth of July, as a retired physician, I'm out here with my family, had a young black man who is a future collegiate basketball player was shot in the head and in the chest uh for nothing but standing up for his cousin because the derogatory statements are being seen by a bunch of young thugs on the street.
Now, I didn't see any marching, any indicating.
Now, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I miss it.
Who shot this?
There was a bunch of Afro-American kids.
Okay, so it was a gang shooting.
It was a gang, and they shot this innocent young man who was bound for college.
He's a college basketball player.
Anybody know why they shot him?
Yeah, because he stood up for his cousin.
Because they were making derogatory comments about her.
he was dis he dissed these guys uh while defending his cousin and that's uh tolerable so yeah and they pulled out a gun and shot him and he had now he's stabilized him until the paramedics got there you got to remember Rush that the people that are coming in after the peace peaceful demonstration are not even in Ferguson or from Ferguson.
They're from other parts of the area they're coming in to cause problems and uh those of us who are taxpayers here we'll set up with this.
Well they're I mean consistently uh gunshots I mean there's twice a week we hear five to six gunshots going off in the community up here and I really think I'm behind the police.
Now, I'm not, you know, for shooting an innocent individual.
I don't care, white, black, what have you.
And that needs to be evaluated and looked in an appropriate way.
But what's happening here in Ferguson is nothing but thuggery.
These people, especially after the sun goes down around here, they're just causing problems.
You know, they're throwing things, objects, the vulgar language.
And then there's been actual recordings of gunshots being shot at the police.
And to allow this to go on, I thought we were all, you know, a country of laws.
I'm ex-military, and I don't believe in this.
I think something needs to be done to stop this and to allow this to go on like this idiot governor we have.
I think this is pathetic, Rush.
Well, I'll tell you, I think that there's a lot of frustration over lawlessness in the country.
It's everywhere.
And I think also police departments are fed.
human they're citizens too and they're human beings look at the immigration laws we have the government of this country actively suing states which attempt to enforce existing immigration law immigration law counts for nothing anymore.
We have a president who is bragging about executive orders and executive actions.
And if Congress won't act, he will.
And I submit to you that all of this sends a message, a subtle signal that the law, if it doesn't apply to some people, it doesn't apply to anybody.
If people can get an exemption from it, if the president doesn't have to obey the law, if the immigration laws don't have to be obeyed, you throw in every other societal aspect that results in our culture.
ending up crumbling and rotting you have it's a very slow process it has taken years.
This just I don't think happened overnight but you have a general frustration on the part of everybody that there doesn't seem to be any glue holding anything together.
The honor system doesn't seem to even work and the rule of law which and in the rule of law combined with the honor system is what has kept for example elected officials and law enforcement officials honest it all seems to be breaking down and I actually think that in many places I don't know about Ferguson but I do know that in New Jersey Lee went a cop the other day who said he trashed Obama and he was fired.
And it was all about hey if this guy can break the law why can't we?
I think this attitude is is effervescing out there all over this country.
And when lawlessness happens to be celebrated by the media and laughed at because whoever's breaking the law gets away with it and wins politically in the process, I don't think it can help but send a signal to people.
And and in the uh you go to Chicago.
Has anybody been convicted or even tried for the wanton murders that are committed there every weekend, it seems.
So there's uh I think uh I don't know how to describe it.
It's it's uh it's a slowly evolving reality that people think nothing is holding anything together anymore.
And I t I I think cops are every bit as susceptible to this as any other citizen is.
And I think they're as frustrated by it as anybody else is.
They're as frustrated by lawbreakers that get away with it.
They're as frustrated as maybe even more so.
How hard they work to bring people to justice and then technicalities get people thrown out.
It's been going on for a long, long time.
And at some point, a tipping point is reached.
So I understand you and our previous caller from St. Louis basically saying the same things.
So I appreciate your time.
I'm glad you took the time.
Thank you for waiting to get on.
And we will be back.
Don't go away.
Here's Joseph in Las Vegas as we stick with the phones.
Welcome, sir.
Great to have you on the EIB Network.
Hi.
Hey, Rush.
I've been listening to you since I was just a kid in the mid-90s driving around with my dad in his car.
So good to talk to you for the first time.
Appreciate that.
So most of the time I agree with everything that uh is on your show, everything that you say.
And you know, I I have plenty of friends that are actually in law enforcement, I support the police.
I also support them, you know, protecting the citizens against the riots and the looting and stuff, which is just terrible.
Uh but in the instance, uh, when you're talking about these reporters that were uh arrested at the McDonald's, I was a bit disturbed by it only because you know they were they're in the McDonald's, they they pay their customers, um, and it just appears that they weren't moving quickly enough for the those officers, and uh, that's why they were arrested, which is a bit disturbing.
And they obviously were released later because there really was no charges that would would stick filed against them.
Um but it it just was a bit disturbing that that that would happen only because there wasn't it seemed like a sense of emergency where they were.
So I you know, I don't know.
I don't I don't really agree with the actions of the police officers in that instance.
Nor do I. I I think it's a that's a tactical mistake to arrest the journalists, and that's why when they found out they were journalists, they let them go.
They weren't sure at the outset because when they were in their holding room with everybody else they had rounded up and arrested, some cop, according to the journalist themselves, some cop came in, who's media?
These guys raised their hands and the and the cop basically released him and kicked him out.
Um I I think the cops even know that they they shouldn't have arrested him.
My only and I did you hear me say that I supported the arresting of the journalists?
No, I think you were just more more I guess you were more talking about the the response that the journalists actually had to the to the incident.
And obviously the journalists, liberal media, they're gonna use that as a podium to, you know, do their whole spiel about why and why they're arrested or whatever else and have their own whole political slant for that, I guess.
No, the only thing I said was that uh, and I'm you might have misinterpreted this, depending on when you tuned in and what you'd heard prior to it.
I simply made the observation, these are very high wire, high tension situations.
The cops go into this place, apparently that's already been uh looted with damage done, and they order everybody out, and and uh what I said was if the journalists, if a cop tells you to get out right now and it takes you 30 seconds to move, you're in trouble.
When they order you, I it's like you drill sergeant wants 30 push-ups, you do them now.
You don't do them this afternoon, you move.
When the cops, when armed cops come in and tell you to do it, you do it.
Be polite, you do it, you get out of there.
And and if you don't act quickly enough, they're they're not gonna waste time.
Everybody here is at a fever pitch in this circumstance.
But there's nothing to be gained by arresting reporters, and they know that.
That's why they released them.
Well, then I guess we don't disagree.
No, no.
Uh not not about no, no, no, no.
No.
I'm glad you called.
I would hate to have you running around Vegas this afternoon.
You might have been so upset that you disagreed with me, you could have lost some money at the tables.
Exactly.
And I don't want that.
No, no, no.
I I just uh the only thing I said that might give you that impression was I did say that the reason they might have been arrested is they didn't act fast enough.
Yeah, and that's the only thing that I didn't, you know, it's like a little bit so like, you know, uh yeah, it's kind of subjective.
Not acting fast enough.
It's it's really a judgment call, you know, based on whatever the current situation or threat is.
Uh yeah, I th this is there's I don't think any justification.
The c the journalists weren't posing a threat uh in a in you know in a way the cops are not threatened here.
But just remember when they found out they were media, they were practically kicked out of a holding room.
And don't forget one reporter.
Don't forget this, Joseph.
The guy from the Huffing and Puffington Post, Riley, had a little guilt.
He had a little release guilt.
He said that he was double privileged.
A, he's white, and B, he's a journalist.
So he had special privileges.
And he was released before others were, and he felt a little guilty about that because of his double privilege dose.
So I said, well, then you you could have stayed.
You didn't have to leave, and the cops kick you out.
You you you could see the way he was writing this, it was almost as though he didn't think he was held long enough.
Because it's all about equality and fairness.
So forth.
Anyway, I appreciate the call and the uh and the opportunity to restore your faith and let you know that we don't disagree.
I have no idea how this is going to end.
Snerdley is asking me, do you think it's gonna fizzle out?
Do you think it's gonna end?
I have no idea.
I don't even have a feel for how this is going to turn out.
I th I've thought things are spinning out of control in this country from long before this happened, but this adds to it.
But now you've got there's certain things that happen here.
It's it now it's it's pile on the cops time now, so uh prepare yourself for that.
You've got you got Claire McCaskill who is saying we need to demilitarize the cops.
It's outrageous.
The cops don't need to be acting like the military.
Rand Paul is saying, we need to demilitarize the cops.
General Honore is saying we need to get rid of these cops, and we need to bring in the state cops.
Hot Air is reporting that the governor of Missouri has relieved the St. Louis County P. D. in Fergus, already getting rid of them, has not decided with whom he's going to replace them.
But Missouri Governor J. Nixon will announce the St. Louis County law enforcement will be relieved of duty in Ferguson, which has been roiled by protest, blah, blah, blah.
The source for this is uh uh Lacey Clay.
Representative William Lacey Clay.
Governor just called me on his way to St. Louis now to announce he's taken away the St. Louis County police out of the situation.
And he added that Nixon may ask for the FBI to step in.
Now the St. Louis County P I don't know if that's that's not the Ferguson Police Department itself, is it?
I don't know.
But anyway, that's that's what Lacey Clay, William Lacey Clay is saying.
The governor told him he's gonna relieve the St. Louis County P. D. So he did.
He did he didn't go there.
He didn't go there, but he's no, no, he didn't go there.
He said from Martha's Vineyard.
He just did.
Here.
I've got the soundbite.
He did tell everybody to stand down.
Where is it?
Let's grab soundbite.
Graham number 24.
This is this is Obama at the end of his remarks today about the B. The motions are raw right now in Ferguson, and there are certainly passionate differences about what has happened.
There are going to be different accounts of how this tragedy occurred.
There are going to be differences in terms of what needs to happen going forward.
That's part of our democracy.
But let's remember that we're all part of one American family.
We are united in common values, and that includes belief in equality under the law, a basic respect for public order, and the right to peaceful public protest, a reverence for the dignity of every single man, woman, and child among us, and uh the need for accountability when it comes to our government.
So now's the time for healing.
Now's the time for peace and calm on the streets of Ferguson.
So see, he did, Snerdley right there.
He said, now is the time for healing.
Now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of Ferguson.
What else do you want him to do?
You want him to go there and say that?
He can't.
He's on vacation.
He's already going to Washington on a Sunday, and nobody can figure out why.
He is returning to Washington on Sunday for a couple of days.
And last I heard, nobody knows why.
The only thing they do know is that it's not to sign any kind of executive order on amnesty.
He's not to do that.
But nobody knows why.
Some people think he's going there to meet Biden.
And the reason he's going there is because nobody on Martha's Vineyard wants Biden to come there.
And now they're calculating the cost of how much this is going to be to just go back to Washington for two or three days, something like, I don't know, two million bucks to make the trip from Martha's Vineyard to Washington.
The police chief in Ferguson, Missouri was uh was on TV moments ago and announced the following.
He had met with the representative of the NAALCP, the DOJ's community relations person and local clergy earlier today.
The result of the meeting is that in Ferguson they are going to open up the sidewalks for demonstrators to peacefully protest, but they are not going to open the streets, just the sidewalks.
Because they are opening the sidewalks for peaceful public protest, they are going to be putting up a bunch of porta potties along the sidewalks for the peaceful protesters to peacefully pee.
He also said that everybody needs to allow the protesters who are going to protest anyway to protest peacefully and to give them space, i.e., the sidewalks, where they're going to have porta potties when they need to pee in peace.
Or maybe P4Ps.
And also they're not removing their tactical methods, but they're going to work in a way to make the optics of the police operations appear to be less in your face.
But they will do what they need to do if the crowd gets violent.
Those are the steps that the governor, the police chief says he's going to take at Tom Jackson's name.
And after he met with the local representative of the NAALCP, the community relations person from the Justice Department and local clergy.
So they're going to open a sidewalks for peaceful protest, put up portapotties for peaceful protesters to pee in peace, or four peas.
And everybody needs to allow the protesters who are going to protest anyway.
He said, look, this is going to happen.
So we need to let them do it peacefully, give them space, the sidewalks.
But they are not going to remove any of their tactical methods of dealing with unrest.
But they are going to search for ways to make the optics of what the police do look to be less in your face.
But even having said that, they will do what they need to do if the crowd gets violent.
That's the police chief.
Yeah, we go back to St. Louis.
Jackie, great to have you.
Thank you for waiting.
You're next on the Rush Limbaugh program.
Hello.
Hello.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, here you're fine.
You won't be able to hear me, but I hear you.
Okay.
What I wanted to say to the to the man that called in from Ferguson saying that he's a resident.
What I wanted him to know that this type of thing is happening all over from St. Louis City to St. Louis County and it's a widespread.
Now I know it's probably an inconvenience for them out there, but this is uh who they pay their taxes to and their officers are the ones that did the killing and I think that this officer needs to be Jackie arrested actually.
And put in jail.
And when they speak of the crowd, it's like mob action and it raises the eyebrow because they say the Ku Club clan is a social group and they are bent on murder, killings, harassment, intimidation.
Now the looting part, hello, hold up, I'm talking.
Hold on.
The looting part, I I disagree with that.
I don't think anybody should have been looting.
And I think that those reporters should not have been harassed or touched.
And that some charges ought to be filed against the police department because they're out here to do a job and their job is to give coverage on both sides of what's going on.
And then by them acting in a manner as if they had something to hide.
So Jackie, when you say this is happening all over the city and the county, what is happening all over the city and county?
Um young people, and I'm not gonna say just black, of the minority race, because you have some whites that have been killed, but not as many as the minor have been.
So you mean the cops are shooting people all over the city and the county?
Pretty much, yes.
And these people do not even have a correct.
You can look at how many people have been released from jail.
Tons of 'em because of lies or tampered DNA evidence, and when it's retried again, these people have spent twenty, thirty years in jail, and they get out like you can't replace the time that you stole it, nor can you replace the light that you're taking.
Right.
So but I'm still stuck.
You say this is happening all over the city and the county.
It's more than just this one incident.
More than one incident.
Okay.
But why why is this the only one that we're hearing about?
Well, you know what?
This is the first time that there's been a stand made about it.
You know, um, I myself have lived in Ferguson.
First time I also have five.
And they were harassed and moved out of the county.
You think the police have a duty to cover both sides of it?
Right.
The reporters.
Oh, the reporters have a duty to cover both sides.
And for them to be harassed and arrested, that is crazy.
And they even say that they didn't know they were reporters, that's even more crazier.
And no, I disagree with them being arrested.
All right.
So you basically you don't believe the police in circumstances like this.
No, they got some good cops, but they also got some bad ones.
And they need to weed out the bad ones because just those ten, twenty, thirty of 'em make the whole forts look terrible.
They need to be held accountable for the wrong that they do.
And you think you think the Ferguson police department is uh protecting this cop that pulled the trigger.
That's a hard one to say because I'm not sure that they were doing it.
Do you think they're do you think that they're actively really investigating this to try to find out who did it and whether or not it was justified?
Or do you think they're trying to find a way to cover this up to protect the cop?
Um I think they were they might have would have had the one to cover it, but since they took it took this particular incident and turned it over to the FBI, it'll probably be a better thing of it because uh me myself, I want to talk to the civil rights leader and I am gonna go talk to him about different incidents in different areas that have not been taken care of.
And that's been a lot of that's uh that's some news there, folks.
If this is happening uh all over St. Louis.
Yes, it's all over.
Really?
For some strange reason it's uh all those other incidents are not getting the attention this one's getting.
The only reason this is getting a lot of attention because there was a lot of damage being caused and the people were out there and I guess they just had had it to the last time.
Okay, I guess so.
This one's getting attention because the victims had had enough and finally stood up and said something about.
Okay, Jackie, I appreciate the call.
Thank you.
Uh thanks very much.
I've got to say a brief time out here, folks, but we'll be back.
Don't go away.
No, no, I th I think I know what Jackie meant when she said it happens all the time, but we only hear about certain instances of it.
I know I know exactly what that means.
She's not talking about the cops.
She's just talking about the level of crime in uh in neighborhoods in general.
We'll be back.
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