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Nov. 29, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 29, 2013, Friday, Hour #3
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Hey, great to be with you.
Happy Black Friday, America's anchor man is away, but Rush will return live on Tuesday.
Mark Belling uh will be here on Monday to start the week at the Excellence in Broadcasting Network, and this is your undocumented anchor man Mark Stein sitting in and honored to be here.
we have been covering all kinds of stories in the previous two hours, but health care, Healthcare continues to exercise the finest minds in the nation.
President Obama will be uh appearing with Barbara Walters later tonight uh and uh and the president says, quote, uh that he has nowhere to go but up after the healthcare.gov debacle.
I think he's talking about the new mandatory prostate exams that have to be part of every plan, is that right?
Anyway, he says he's got he's yes, you know, when you're a president, you've got uh your numbers go up and down, up and down, but right now uh they're at a low point and they've got nowhere to go but up.
Uh the president will tell that to Barbara Walters tonight.
That's also the interview in which uh Mrs. Obama, Michelle Obama, the first lady says that she doesn't want to get into his ear because he's got so many people in his ear.
The fascinating thing about this president is that there's nobody in his ear.
Um he doesn't know about anything.
He heard about even though the IRS Commissioner was visiting uh the White House a hundred and fifty-eight times more than the previous IRS Commissioner under Bush, who made just one visit, just one visit.
Uh this guy was in there 158 times.
He knew nothing, nothing about this IRS targeting of Tea Party groups and other conservative groups until Lois Lerner uh gave it away in her speech.
He knew nothing.
He knew nothing about Benghazi.
He knew nothing.
He didn't speak to anyone about Benghazi.
He knew uh nothing about the Obamacare website.
He said uh the other day, do you think I would be so stupid as to go around saying it's going to work like Travelosity and Amazon if I'd known it was just gonna be a heap of stinking rubbish?
Do you think I'm that stupid to go out there and say it's gonna work like Travelosity and Amazon uh if I'd uh if I knew that it wasn't?
No, that's not the thing.
Do you think the guys who run Amazon and Travelosity would be going out and pitching for their website if they had no idea, if they took no interest whatsoever in what it was going to be like.
Uh so this is what the uh the president will be Yeah, I think.
Yeah, well, I think you're you're right.
You're right, Mr. Snowley.
You you uh you you ask about these things once in a while.
I certainly I certainly would.
I don't know uh I uh i it is astonishing to me.
That th th th this is by the way, what happens when you hire someone who believes uh he doesn't really believe in the power of words.
He believes in the power of his own words, Obama.
And and and in a sense, he thinks that simply by uh saying something, uh then that's the beginning and end of it.
And that's usually work for him.
That's how he got to be president.
That's how he got wafted up uh from the Ivy League to community organizer to State Senate, uh to the biggest waft of all into the White House.
No, no, I think he's he's he's I think he thinks he can create his own reality here.
This is what it is, Mr. Sniley, is that he thinks and he's done very well like this.
If you think if you think about that event out in San Francisco where they have these these fake Obamacare hecklers, these designated hecklers to make him look like a guy who can wander off prompter and respond to the guy heckling him in the crowd.
That that for Ob Obama has defined his own reality.
Uh if you if you look at his if you read his books, I mean he's written all these autobiographies full of composite girlfriends and all the rest of it.
If you can create a composite girlfriend who bears no relation to girls you actually dated, uh it's only a mere difference of degree to then create a composite government policy uh that is full of fine sounding phrases about a health care system that ought to work, uh but in fact doesn't.
I mean this is this is this is the thing.
He's got to where he is by defining who he is.
By the way, this belief in the power of words, again, because he's been insulated from it.
There's not a lot of evidence he can actually persuade people who disagree with him.
I mentioned that business with uh Alec Baldwin an hour ago.
And I'm simple.
What no, that Mr. Surly, the Sabelius is actually that's what government is.
Again, this is the difference.
This is the gulf between when you have a cool president, right?
We all agree Obama uh Mr. Snowley mentioned Jay-Z.
Jay-Z hangs with Obama.
That's how cool he is.
Beyonce hangs with Obama.
That's how cool he is.
Uh Mr. Snodley mentioned while we were off air that the last president, in fact, sitting president to visit Gettysburg was Rutherford B. Hayes.
Rutherford B. Hayes was totally uncool.
Beyoncé wouldn't be seen dead next to Rutherford B. Hayes.
Jay-Z would not want to hang with Rutherford B. Hayes.
Uh but Obama is the coolest president ever anywhere.
And so if and and he's surfing uh the the groove of the zeitgeist when he's uh inviting all these cool people around him to the White House.
So naturally, when he announces that there's going to be an Obama healthcare system, it's gonna be as cool as he is.
That's the whole idea of it.
It's gonna be the coolest president ever is now creating the super coolest healthcare experience you're ever gonna have.
It is it is gonna be the ultimate in healthcare experiences.
And the fact is that Kathleen Sibelius is just some plodding uh government mediocrity and all the other people under her.
Likewise, it's a it's a hard, slow uh government bureaucracy with all the features of government bureaucracy.
And I'm not one of these people who says, Oh, you know, it's gonna be healthcare like the DMV.
I love my DMV here.
I go to the DMV in uh Twin Mountain, New Hampshire.
Uh little it's like a little uh basically just a little shack off the side of the road, the tiniest thing, and you go in there, and yes, it's got that look that government buildings have where they're all a bit tatty and down at heel and the poster uh is starting to curl on the wall and all the rest of it.
But uh I had to go in there for something a few weeks ago, boom, the guy couldn't have been nicer, was in there with my daughter, we were in there, out, nothing flat, and she said, What a nice gentleman he was.
That's the DMV in Twin Mountain, New Hampshire.
Couldn't have been nicer.
So when people say, Oh, Obamacare's gonna be like the DMV, there's actually they're actually insulting the DMV, because the DMV at its best works perfectly fine.
But but if you try and do the DMV for 300 million people's health care, uh and you've got uh at the pinnacle of this thing, you've got the coolest, groovyest, happeningest president, funkiest president of all time on the top of it saying,
Well, look, I hang out with the guy who owns Amazon, and I hang out with the guys who run Apple, and so simply because I socialize with them, simply because they and I share the same vibe, uh it's gonna be a terrific health care experience.
It's the gap between no, in the end, you take off the the cool supervenir, and what's left is just a big sclerotic, incompetent, paperwork ridden dump of a bureaucracy, uh, in which there's not even any payment processing thing.
This th when when Obamacare goes to work, you won't even be able to pay.
You know, you'll sign up for it uh and you'll think your health care's all set now.
You got your plan it's supposed to kick in on January the first.
But they've got to send you a piece of paper saying you're officially accepted and enrolled, and then you send them a check back in the mail, and then they send you a confirmation back uh saying that uh your check has been accepted and you now got health coverage.
And this all has to happen between now and January the first.
There's nothing cool or groovy.
Do you think Jeff uh what's his name at uh at Amazon would waste time?
Do you imagine that?
You say, Oh, I went to buy the new Jay-Z.
I went to download the new Jay-Z uh uh song on on on Amazon.
Yeah, the new album.
What's it called?
What's it called, Mike?
The Pyramid album.
Thank you.
All my pop culture references are forty years out of date.
I was gonna go with the Partridge family.
But let's say you go to Amazon, right?
And you buy the Jay-Z.
Uh you download the Jay-Z thing, or the Magna Carta song.
That's right, because he and I are both into Magna Carta.
Uh, although I think he has a different take on it from me.
But uh you go there and it's like the ninety-nine cent download and you think, wow, that's great.
I've just gone to Amazon and downloaded the ninety-nine cent download of Jay-Z singing about Magna Carta and the Barons and King John in twelve fifteen.
Fascinating stuff.
So uh so then uh you go there to click play and listen to your download, and uh nothing happens.
But a week later you get a letter from Amazon saying that your application for a download has been accepted, and now all you have to do is send a check for ninety-nine cents.
Uh pre preferably if you don't want to wait for the check to clear, you might want to go and get a cashiers check or a bank draft for ninety-nine cents and mail it to Amazon.com, wherever they are, and then they'll send back your download in the mail.
That is how the Obamacare experience was designed.
That's not a flaw.
That's how it's designed to work when it's working.
That's how cool Obama is.
There's nothing cool about that.
Where's the cool in that?
Where's the c where's the cool and and that's the point.
That's the point.
In the end, in the end, uh Christopher Hitchens used to have a thing saying, uh the late late Christopher Hitchens like to say that politics is showbiz for ugly people.
And even the coolest people in politics uh are not really cool.
They're not they're not Beyoncé cool.
They're not Jay-Z cool.
And in the end, they're just government functionaries.
And you want them to be dull, boring people who can get you through the Republic of paperwork in a dreary, uncool, unhip, ungroovy, unfunky way with the minimum of fuss.
And if Obamacare had worked, if Obamacare had been uncool, ungroovy, unhip, unfunky, if it had been totally Squaresville daddy o, but it had just worked, there would have been no problems.
This o Obamacare is basically the gulf between Obama's so-called cool uh and his uh and his reality.
Uh by the way, notwithstanding the fact that today is the official uh post Thanksgiving uh day off, it is still a regular week.
Uh Obama has not decreed that the days of the week shall be changed the way uh the President of Turkmenistan did when he named renamed Tuesday after his mother.
So it is the end of the week and you know what that means.
Live from Ice Station EIB, it's open line Friday.
Yes indeed.
100-282-2882 open line Black Friday.
And uh we will take all your calls on anything.
If you do think the President is cool, if you have leftover turkey points from the Democratic National Committee official designated Obamacare Turkey points to berate your family with at Thanksgiving, do feel free to call up and inflict them on us.
We will take your calls on anything that is on your mind straight after these messages.
Mark Stein in Farush on the EIB network, great to be with you.
I hope you had a terrific Thanksgiving.
Let's go to Beth in Schenectady in the great state of New York.
My pleasure, Beth.
Well, um I have a a conundrum because my income swings quite a bit.
And I thought I would, you know, I had looked at the the insurance thing because you have to do it, and I thought, well, they uh the price that I they came up for me sounded really great.
Um but I'm a skeptic.
And um and I asked them, I said, Well, you know, my income swings quite a bit.
Um it's this year it's actually under the fifteen five, but off usually it's around twenty thousand.
What's what's gonna happen?
I said, well, I I'll even pay the amount for the twenty thousand.
But what's gonna happen if I actually make the Medicaid level?
How is the insurance insurance companies gonna want to get paid?
But if I make what I made this year, which is like thirteen thousand, it's a really bad year.
There's no money for the you know, that's a little bit that I pay them is only a fraction.
The rest is supposed to come from tax credits, which I won't be eligible for because I'm not gonna make twenty thousand.
Or on the reverse, what happens if I sign up for Medicaid, which I'm eligible according to my income right now, but I make which I'm hoping to make like twenty thousand.
I know the m I know the New York State's gonna want me to give that Medicaid money back.
I'm not gonna you know, so I just decided that I'm gonna do nothing.
And um and I'm just so thrilled, you know that I may end up all of if I work as hard as I like to work, then I end up owing a fine.
But I tell you, I'm not both signing up for insurance and paying a fine, or worse, owing New York State money for Medicaid, because I've you know, once I had I hate to say this, but I got an overpayment for unemployment, and you bet they want that money back.
Right, right.
They're very they're very oh I I know how the New York State bureaucracy can be, because uh I was uh the the Bureau of Compliance informed me I was in noncompliance with the Bureau of Compliance and fine me twelve thousand dollars or whatever it was.
So they take these this stuff seriously.
But I'd be inter I'm interested to know, Beth, what did the Obamacare Navigator or whatever they call them now this week what did the Obamacare navigator what was the answer to to your problem?
She was very nice, but I don't I don't trust it.
She said, Well, of course, Beth, you're not gonna owe the she didn't say Beth, but I'm saying Beth.
She told me I wouldn't um I wouldn't owe I wouldn't owe money.
I said, Well what happens I said the Medicaid thing.
I said, what if um I end up making under fifteen five?
She says, Well then you won't owe the insurance company.
But I don't believe that because they're a business.
And if I sign up and they're expecting to get paid, they're expecting to get paid.
So I just she was really nice, and so I didn't want to be rude to her.
She was extremely nice, but I thought I that can't be correct.
Because you're also hoping to get the equivalent of the tax credit to make up the difference.
Yeah, and you're you're in the situ uh the the whole premise of the Obamacare thing now is you can get people can get these deals, so-called deals.
It's like it's like when you uh to use the Obamacare analogy of travelosity or whatever.
It's like when you're on a plane and there's like uh eight people all around you and everyone's paid a different fare.
And that the government now gives you subsidies according to whatever your income is.
And if they suddenly yank those subsidies out from underneath you, then the insurance company will collect from who they think they can collect from, which is you, or they'll cancel your policy.
And this is the this is actually the problem that the that lady, the single mom that Obama was trumpeting as the first successful enrollee in in Obamacare, uh the the the hardworking single mom who thought they'd offered her a great deal and then they re-ran the numbers uh and the deal was suddenly uh far more than she can afford.
You'd be in that situation.
You'd effectively be signed for uh uh uh an insurance policy at a certain level, and then if the if the uh i uh uh if your income fluctuates, they'll be demanding uh that y they'll be demanding additional money from you.
So in fact there is no price.
You can't get in your situation, you can't get stable health insurance at a price that remains stable, Beth.
That's basically it, isn't it?
Right.
Well that's crazy.
It is.
That's a nutso system.
No, it is, and I I used to be a I can't stress this enough.
I'm a f I'm actually a far left liberal, but I and I I dumped the Democratic Party years ago.
And these things to me just don't seem like uh something that I can relate to the Democratic Party at all.
But in the end, you know, I'm scraping by and there are people in a lot worse situations than me that may live in a hu a large city and they're paying a couple thousand dollars a month for rent.
They don't have any money for any of this this bull.
They have no money left over.
No, this is what I hope I don't pay a fine.
Well, as Rush was saying, Beth, and this is important to remember, by the way, uh they they have, for reasons one can be conspiratorial about, structured the so-called Obamacare fine so that if you take relatively elementary steps, as Rush said, if you don't uh if if you structure your taxes so that they owe you, they don't owe you on April the fifteenth.
Uh in other words, so you haven't got they can only collect the fine out of the refund.
It's by the way, this is actually a very interesting point about this, because the IRS has extraordinary powers, powers beyond uh revenue agencies in most other free societies, where they can at the drop of a hat, they can take out a lien on your home, or they can garnish your wages, or they can freeze your bank accounts, or they can freeze your kids' bank account.
You have a kid might have a savings account with twenty-seven bucks in there and the IRS can freeze that because uh the the connection between you and the kid, or the connection between you and uh the guy who Lives three doors away if they think he's mixed up in it too.
They can do almost anything they want, except with the Obamacare fine, where they have structured the Obamacare fine so that the IRS can't do all the things it does routinely for any other kind of delinquency.
So the fine the fine is the fine is as mysterious and fictitious as so many of the other features on uh of Obamacare, as Rush was explaining just the other day.
And the question the question about that is, did they do that deliberately?
Is it just an oversight?
It's a very strange oversight.
And if they did it deliberately, why did they do it deliberately?
Uh you don't want to get too paranoid about these things, but you'd always you'd almost think the whole purpose of this was that Obamacare was designed to collapse at the in the first year, year and a half, and then we move uh to the next phase of quote comprehensive health reform, unquote.
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Jacob Sullen in Reason writes the New York City Council is considering a ban on the use of electronic cigarettes in bars, restaurants, and public places uh uh because they look too much like real cigarettes.
You know these things, uh the these fake uh electronic cigarettes that give you the air of so you look like the Marlborough man circa 1962, but it's just like some fake uh fake thing.
HR, I think, has them uh occasionally uh you you see him strolling around with them.
Um but Councilman James Gennaro, who is sponsoring the ban, tells the New York Times that we see these cigarettes really starting to proliferate, and it's unacceptable.
It's unacceptable.
New York City Councilman James Gennaro says it is now unacceptable for the citizenry even to have fake cigarettes.
Uh when I was a kid, they used to have candy cigarettes.
I don't know, I don't suppose you can still get them now.
They've probably been banned as uh dangerous.
But we we we used to have candy cigarettes, and like the boys would get a candy cigarette and you'd steal like seven or eight, and you'd stick the candy cigarette in your mouth.
And you weren't allowed to have those.
They've gone now.
Now they have people who uh are giving up smoking and finding it difficult.
They're gonna tell you, they're gonna tell you that you can't have a fake cigarette on health grounds in bars, restaurants, and public places in New York.
This is, by the way, exactly the same kind of moronic zero tolerance that you have in the uh school districts of America, where a kid a lot of these stories for some reason come out of Pennsylvania in my memory.
I think the the the time I was talking about this, uh it was a Pennsylvania story, where kids take uh th they're told it's show and tell, it's show and tell days.
You've got to bring something to school, and they take a plastic fireman's axe.
And that's regarded as a weapon.
So the school goes into lockdown and they kick the kid, they expel the kid from school, and it's on his record that he brought a weapon to school because he made the mistake at show and tell of taking a plastic fireman's axe uh to uh the school.
And by the way, it isn't a weapon, it's a tool.
And and it's the tool used by people who built this country, who hack their way into the world, like in my corner, New Hampshire.
They hack their way up the Connecticut River, and uh they chop down the trees with the axe.
Before people started to use axes uh for axe murderers, it was a tool, and they chopped down the trees and they built a civilization in the well wilderness.
Uh so the axe, this plastic axe that this kid is, plastic farming's axe of this kid is staying to school, is not a weapon.
It's a tool, and it's the tool that built this nation.
Uh And uh but but the but the school district says zero tolerance, we're not having that.
You can't bring the axe to school.
And now everyone's a child.
Because once Big Nanny gets a taste for this stuff, if you think it's going to stop in the grade school, it's crazy.
So now the New York City Council says that you you're forty-seven years old, and you're going to a bar, uh, you go into a restaurant, and you're not allowed to have an electronic cigarette, which doesn't no second hand smoke, uh, doesn't give anybody cancer.
It's got no tar, no nicotine, no nothing.
It's not in fact a cigarette.
But they're going to ban it.
They're going to ban it because you, the 47-year-old Mr. Hepcat Manhattan swinger, going to meet the hot chick in the singles bar in New York City, you are too much of a child to be entrusted to use an electronic cigarette.
And all those other cool swinging Manhattan guys all around you.
They're too their children too, so they can't be trusted to know that when you're standing there with your madman pose talking to the hot chick, uh that uh that is not a real cigarette, but that is a fake electronic cigarette.
And and eventually if everybody goes, it doesn't matter whether people turn to real cigarettes because you look so cool, if they just turn to fake electronic cigarettes, uh, it will still be too close to cigarettes.
So then the government in New York, New York City Council is now gonna tell you that you can't even have that.
At some point, you know, uh and I appreciate that I say this as uh as an i i feat foreigner, so that I may lack a certain credibility on this, but at a certain point, uh yourself America's self-image cannot survive this kind of thing.
You know, New York, hey, who's tougher than us?
Nobody.
Who's tougher than you?
Everybody!
Do you think some do you think some twerp in La Hall is gonna be told by his by his city council?
Do you think some guy in Waziristan or Yemen is going to be told that he can't go and stand uh with uh an electronic cigarette while he's trying to pick up the hot babe in the burqa?
No!
You are hey, who's tougher than us?
New York, New York tough, Boston tough, Vermont tough.
Yeah, and Vermont tough is actually real.
They got that on a bumper sticker across the river from me here in New Hampshire.
You're not tough.
You can't be tough.
If you accept that the government has the right to tell you you can't have something in your mouth uh because it looks uh too it's not a cigarette, but it looks something like a cigarette, uh, then that's like you're no different from that kid we talked about on the show a few months ago, uh, who went to school and nibbled his Pop Tart uh into what his teacher thought was the shape of a gun and got sent home for the day.
So don't so you're the equivalent of that grade schooler, you cool cool New York guys.
You nibble your Pop Tart into the shape of a cigarette, and the New York City Council says to hell with you, that's a crime in New York City.
Your self-image can't describe Hey, who's tougher than me?
Nobody, New York tough.
Whoa, yeah, yo, Vinny.
Yo, Vinny, yo, Vinny, what do you mean, yo, Vinny, when he's not allowed to sick an electronic cigarette?
Uh that your children, in the end, uh the nanny state is making you a child.
Councilman James Gennaro, the sponsor of this proposed ban, is turning you into a child.
And once the citizenry get used to being treated like children, all things are possible.
That's the great problem here.
Uh, let's go to uh David.
David is in Jackson, Michigan.
Great to have you with us on the show today.
Good afternoon, Mr. Stein.
My most favorite undocumented alien as a castles for Mr. Limbaugh.
That's great.
That's an exclusive that's an exclusive category, but uh uh but but as I said, we're all terrified here.
But Liberty, the talky horse, is like so popular from Russia's book.
He did the affiliates, the affiliates just want him to do the guest hosting now, the talking horse.
He's practicing.
He's in the next room practicing.
This is how bad it's getting.
What's on your mind today, David?
Calling from under the oaks here, the true birthplace of the Republican Party, Jackson, Michigan.
Oh, yes, eighty miles from Detroit.
Right.
Warren Buffett With all the bankruptcy in Detroit.
Warren Buffett, with your astute knowledge, Mr. Stein.
Warren Buffett showed up in Detroit.
And I would like your take on what that means for the automobile industry, which resonates right here, all of Michigan and the nation.
Yeah, uh I think this is he he says he th this is this is actually the headline.
I think this was in the Detroit Free Press.
Warren Buffett says Detroit has huge potential.
And he might invest in it himself.
And he and he said at this conference, apparently, the resources are here to have a great great city.
And it's fascinating to me, David, because this is the sort of thing normally you'd you'd uh you know, you'd be an investor and you'd show up in the middle of Sudan or Chad, and you'd say the resources are here to have a great great city.
Detroit had a great great city.
And the question for Warren Buffett is how it ceased to be a great city, I think, and whether and whether it can come and whether it can come back again.
And that depends on you know, certain things happening, uh and it and it and it requires uh a a matter of political will that there's not a lot of evidence uh uh uh prevails among the city's political class.
And I think that's I think that's interesting.
But you know what it is.
It's like if you if you I don't know whether Warren Buffett meant this, David, but here but here's how I think of it is that when you've got somewhere that has a lot of problems, uh and you and you want to invest, you can go in there and you can and you can try to fix the problems and uh put something up in there.
Or you can start just somewhere uh on the map.
It doesn't have to be Sudan or Chad.
It can be all kinds of places out there, uh, where you're just basically starting from scratch.
You're putting up a factory in Sc I mean that's by basically why everyone's putting them in China and places, is because they're not trying to correct, they're not saying we'll go in and we'll negotiate uh y less insane pensions agreements.
They're just going and saying there's nothing here, we'll build a factory and everyone will want to work here.
And that's what's happening in Bangalore in India and in uh up and down the Chinese coast and all the rest of it.
And and that's easier to do than trying to turn around something once it's headed south.
And I'm I wonder if Warren Buffett is not just to some in some sense pandering to his audience a little here, David.
I know that the state of Michigan did not absorb the debts from Detroit, Flint and so on.
No, that's true.
That's true.
Because they've got the rest of the state to be responsible for.
And if you're way down if you're in the upper peninsula or you're way down on the Indiana border or whatever, uh you're a long way uh from Detroit's problems and you're in a different economy in large part, and there were and and asking, in effect, the state to shoulder the burden of the city's mission.
My my I in g I I I always say this, and I know it's uh an extreme solution, David, but uh Canada has been celebrating the bicentennial of the war of eighteen twelve.
They've got uh they put it on the stamps up there.
They got HMS uh whatever it was, firing on the White House and all the rest of it.
And if you recall in the War of 1812, the uh the the uh the the British rode in with some Indian irregulars, I think, and actually took over the city of Detroit.
And I think I think you should let the Canadians come through from uh the tunnel at Windsor and uh and take over the city one more time.
But I would bet, by the way, actually, that is more likely that Warren Buffett take it over the city.
Uh but uh great to have your call uh on the show today, David.
Uh uh and uh yeah, that's uh I forget what it was.
They only they only kept Detroit for whatever it was a couple of years.
Uh but basically the as I as I recall, I can't recall all the details of the uh the the battle of Detroit, but basically it's uh well.
Mr. Sturdley says the Canadians must have had reasons for giving it back.
Yes, maybe they'd be exceptionally far-sighted if they saw what was coming uh back in eighteen twelve.
But I I gather the governor was drug uh or something like that.
The the governor of Detroit at that time who surrendered the city to the British, uh was apparently a Rob Ford type.
He was a proto-Rob Ford, he was uh off his face on crack or whatever they were doing back in Detroit two hundred years ago.
And he surrendered the city uh without without a shot.
But the uh but uh uh but uh his majesty's forces very shrewdly, notwithstanding their military victory, decided to give it back to the Americans, which tells you something.
Uh Markstein in for Rush on the EIB network.
Lots more still to come.
The Times of uh Israel is reporting that uh under these US Iran talks, uh the US has been freeing a lot of Iranian prisoners, uh, including the Iranian scientist Moshtaba Atarodi, arrested in California for attempting to acquire equipment for Iran's military nuclear programs.
Uh he was released in April as part of these uh secret deals.
Secret talks that were going on between the U.S. and Iran.
Let's go to Saeed in uh Green Bay, Wisconsin.
You're live on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Great to have you with us.
Yes, thank you for taking my call.
I just wanted to mention that uh this so-called agreement with Iran is a simultaneous betrayal of not only American national interest, but also of the uh aspirations of those in Iran who um are seeking democracy and seeking to free themselves of this tyrannic regime that has ruled over them for thirty years.
Um the uh the net result of of this agreement will be to uh reintegrate the most virulent anti-American anti-Western force in the Middle East back into the world economic order.
And as such, giving the Ayatollahs in Iran far more resources than they currently have to uh uh to fund their mischief around the world and around the the Middle East against American interest and against uh the uh the the people of Iran.
Well well said, uh Saeed.
Essentially what the United States has done is uh rehabilitate an international pariah, and as you say, enable them to fund uh a lot more mischief in the years ahead.
These are guys who just two years ago, 2011, uh they attempted to kill uh the uh Saudi ambassador to the United States in Washington.
They're serious about this stuff.
And the other point you made, uh, which is a terrific point, is that basically Obama has uh cut loose the opposition in Iran and uh the many Iranian emigres in the Western world by basically saying by basically prolonging the life of the Islamic Republic, uh by prolonging the mullah's grip on the country, Saeed.
That's basically what he's done here.
Said, is he gone?
Okay, that but that's but he's basically prolonged the life of the Islamic Republic.
Isn't that the case, Saeed?
Yeah, this is this is absolutely true.
Um he missed the historic opportunity Obama did in two thousand and nine uh to stand with the uh with with the people of Iran against this tyrannic regime so that uh if a transfer of power had occurred there, as it it should have, we then would the United States would then have a real partner for a uh uh for a negotiated peace.
You're you're uh you're you're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right on that uh Saeed.
And you know the most disgusting thing about this, by the way, when people again, when people make the Munich comparisons, Neville Chamberlain, when he came back from Munich, uh didn't refer to Hitler as De Fuhrer, which is German by for supreme leader, by the way.
He just called him Herr Hitler, Herr Hitler this, Herr Hitler that.
John Kerry, Barack Obama have referred to this guy, Ayatollah Khomeini, as the supreme leader.
In other words, they have legitimized the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Mark Stein for Rush, more straight ahead.
Yeah, New York City Council is uh is banning electronic cigarettes.
Uh strange childlike uh treatment of its citizens.
It's different for us Canadians, you know.
Mayor Rob Ford in Toronto, he's he's just walking around these days with his own electronic crackpipe.
It looks uh looks very good on him.
It's uh if you haven't tried it, it's it's uh it's really it's really worth it.
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