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Nov. 4, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 4, 2013, Monday, Hour #2
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Hi.
How are you, folks?
Great to have you back.
L. Rushball, EIB Network, Limbaugh Institute, Advanced Conservative Studies.
And as usual, just to make it fair, make it equitable for when liberals call or when liberals listen.
Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair.
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I have to tell you, this this thing going on with the Miami Dolphins.
I'm very careful here.
Because I think we are looking at an example of the changing culture of masculinity in this country.
Now, I could be wrong about that because we're still learning details about the incident.
The question at first is, is anything that's happened here in the Dolphins'locker room Anything new?
Is it different from anything that's ever happened in an NFL locker room before?
And that's I guess an open-ended question.
When I first heard of this story, and it's a week or so old now, and I purposely didn't comment on it because the original reports on it were really vague, and they had, as usual, the liberal sports writer interpretation of what wasn't known.
So I said, rush back off of this, and be patient, let more news come out.
And the first thing I had heard was that a rookie offensive lineman was being bullied by a veteran, offensive lineman.
The rookie's name, Jonathan Martin, the veteran Richie Incognito, who comes to this story with a prior reputation of being a bad guy.
He's a tough, no-nonsense, long accused of dirty tactics during the game.
Dirty tactics on field, racy, dirty tactics off field.
Don't know specifics, but that was the reputation.
And again, I don't know whether it was earned or not.
I don't know Richie Incognito.
I I saw little trust.
What I see in the mainstream media anymore, the legacy media, one of the drive-by is that I just now I sit around and wait.
But the first thing that intrigued me was how in the world do you have bullying in an NFL locker room?
How in the world does a 315-pound guy get bullied by a 265 or 80-pound guy?
Jonathan Martin is a tackle.
He's bigger than Incognito, who's a guard.
They're both big.
It's maybe inconsequential, the size difference.
The bullying then was reported.
Well, actually, not bullying, it's more like harassment or hazing, is what the subsequent report said.
But there were no details of the bullying because nobody was being specific.
And Martin, the rookie lineman making the allegations, was not talking, and it turns out he wasn't because he feared retribution if he spoke out.
Well, he then there was an incident that happened in the team cafeteria after he had gone public with the fact that he was being mistreated somehow.
At lunch one day, he sat down at Team Cafeteria, and everybody else at the table got up and left because they thought he was a backstabber and a tattletale and a whiner or whatever, and that was the last straw for him.
He threw His food on the floor and left the team.
There were immediate calls for official investigation on the part of the head coach, Joe Philman, and the league office.
Now the latest is that Jonathan Martin, the rookie, was being forced.
You can say bullied or harassed or hazed or whatever.
The bottom line is that the allegate, the latest is that in incognito and the veterans forced this guy to fork over $15,000 for an offensive lineman getaway to Las Vegas.
And the guy forked it over but didn't go.
He didn't accompany his lineman mates.
And this kind of thing kept up.
And then now we're being told that there are texts and emails from incognito to Jonathan Martin, who is black, by the way.
Incognito is not black.
Jonathan Martin is.
And that the texts and the emails have racially insulting language.
Racially insulting overtones.
The Dolphins made three announcements yesterday.
The last one was at 11.30 last night, in which they said that incognito has been sent home and suspended indefinitely in lieu of an investigation.
What was going on here?
Now there are a few more details, but that pretty much sums it up.
And uh, you know, as a veteran fan of football, and as someone who's been in locker rooms, but I'm not as a member, so I haven't seen much.
Although I mean, should I say this or not?
I I have I've undergone my own hazing in a locker room.
And it was brutal.
I mean, it was I can't repeat to you some of the things said to me when I was a little grunt at the uh at the Kansas City Royals, and it's just it's just the um just the way it is.
I I didn't see other players get hazed, but that it happened.
And I just I don't know if this incident, for example, for those of you that don't know, in in in training camp every summer, it is routine, standard operating tradition that the rookies carry the veterans' shoulder pads and helmets back to the locker room after every workout.
And the veterans really lay it on the rookies.
Um the stories about the rookies having to stand up and sing their college fight song or that those are all true.
Some rookies refused to do it.
And Des Bryant, if you'll recall this so-called problem player with the Cowboys, he didn't know about any of these traditions.
Came out of Oklahoma State, his first training camp with the Cowboys, the veteran wide receiver Roy Williams said, okay, Rook, take my pads in and my helmet.
And Bryant said, screw you, take your own pads.
And it was, it was big news in the sports media.
And it turned out Roy Williams didn't do anything about it.
Let it go.
Des Bryant got away with not being hazed.
Uh and it it it's it's an individual thing.
Some players do it and pay the price of being a rookie, and others rarely, but it does happen, put their feet down, say, hell with you.
I'm not doing any of this garbage.
I'm on the team too.
So this incident, when it when it first came out, I first thing that I tried to think, well, what in the world?
How does an NFL player get bullied?
Now there have been other former players that are now commentators who've talked about this.
Is that what this Martin guy needed to do was punch incognito in the face and end this.
You just don't take this kind of stuff.
And that is the old way of doing that.
But the new way is not.
Got conflict resolution 101, got negotiation, people sitting down, hammering out their differences and trying to feel good and feel better.
And I just wonder how much of this is A factor of cultural change and the new culture of diminishing masculinity.
There could be none of that.
I don't know.
I just, this is this is all.
Look, rookies forever have been forced to take the veterans out to dinner.
And blow four figures on dinner.
And Corpossier.
I'm reading a book on the Steelers, the uh the dynasty of the Steelers by Gary Pomerance.
It's called Their Life's Work, and it's about the Steelers of the 70s.
And there's intimate stuff about what went on in that locker room and the cast system that existed in there.
But none of this is really is really new.
What's new is the word bullying attached to it.
Because there's always been hazing.
Some of the hazing has always been bad, some of it's always it's always been harassment.
And there's always bad actors.
There are always people meaner than others.
I mean, what's new to me this is is how it is being reacted to and and dealt with.
Now, the racial aspect, that's unacceptable, and that does make this something that uh sets it apart, uh, if it indeed happened.
I'm don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that's common, and that's not part of it, and that's not something where you just but players what's news about this is that this player has walked out, he's left the team.
That you just don't hear about.
Well, I no, he's not, he's family's in Los Angeles, Jonathan Martin went home to Los Angeles.
The Dolphins still have his rights.
I don't I don't know where the guy goes next.
I I don't know what happens to anybody.
I just, and again, I'm I'm saying all this to you, but I just all I know is what anybody else knows about what has been reported.
And I'm telling you, that I'm also suspicious of, just by design and by tradition.
But the Miami Herald story on this.
Miami Dolphins rookies pushed to pay up.
Jonathan Martin's representatives have notified the Dolphins about allegations of player misconduct within the locker room, spurring the team to ask the NFL to launch an independent inquiry on Sunday, and then announcing the indefinite suspension of Richie Incognito, the offensive lineman.
The Dolphins said we are uh taking these obligations very seriously.
We plan to review the matter further.
As an organization, we're committed to a culture of team first accountability and respect for one another.
Okay.
Uh the announcements came late on a busy Sunday in which new details of the alleged abuse suffered by Martin came to light, and in which a potential new controversy would just be getting.
The latest twist is that young Dolphins players are under pressure to dig deep into their pockets to pay for veterans'social outings.
A practice that's straining their finances and locker room chemistry, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.
These allegations came on the heels of an ESPN report Sunday morning that incognito pressured Martin into paying $15,000 for an unofficial team vacation to Las Vegas, a trip that Martin didn't even join.
The Dolphins said Sunday night they had suspended incognito indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team.
Now, a lot of people say, well, where was the head coach in this?
Well, you know, if you if you read Pomerance's book, Their Life's Work, you find out that in at least in the case of the Steelers of the 70s, uh Chuck Knoll, he didn't like dealing with any of this stuff.
So he had he had leaders in the clubhouse who kept it in line.
The clubhouse, an NFL team, I mean, there's there's 53 people in there, and it it is its own culture like any other group of 53.
It's its own culture, has its own hierarchy, has its uh big click, it has its ins and outs, it's everything that you'll find in any group of people.
And it has to have leaders and people that keep it cohesive.
And the the best thing that can happen for cohesion is winning.
The Dolphins are four and four.
They haven't been winning, they've been playing well lately, and they've had their moments, but in in most cases, a lot of head coaches just they farm this kind of police work out to veterans, and they depend on them to be the policeman in the locker room.
Then if those guys end up being bad apples, like it might be the case here, then that breaks down as it may have here with the Dolphins.
But there's a lot in this that's new.
And I've been fascinated to read the comments on various websites where this story is being reported.
As you know me for I I study cultural evolution and what I think sometimes is cultural decay or cultural rot, and and I do believe that there is, this may not be an example of it.
I really don't know enough, but my antenna are up.
But I really do believe that there is attack, uh assault, or the just masculinity isn't hip in our culture.
Masculinity, when everything we do is geared for the female vote and the female fan or the female customer and the female this, and something has to give in that circumstance.
And if you look at news divisions of networks and newspapers, uh if you look at college enrollment and graduation, all of these things dominated by women now.
And they women have their own culture, but men and women are different.
They're born that way, actually.
You may not know that.
That's surprised Time magazine in 1995.
So much so they did a cover story on that fact that men and women are different.
And so uh in light of my belief that there is attack, assault, maybe those words are too strong, but there's something, you know, masculinity ain't hip.
Masculinity isn't cool.
Metrosexual stuff, that's cool.
Masculinity isn't.
It's brutish, it's uh it's uh predatory, it's all kinds of rotten bad stuff.
Uh mean, and the other kind of men aren't.
But in this story, I have never ever in my life heard of players in a locker room being bullied.
I've heard of clubhouse attendants being bullied, and I've heard of people that are not, you know, clubhouse people that don't wear the uniform and a players, I've heard of them being bullied and harassed, but not players.
That's a new one.
Not harassed or hazed, that's not, but the word bully was something new.
And of course, bully has political ramifications in our culture today, as you and I well know.
So we'll wait and see what further pops up uh on this.
But oh yeah, look at the clock.
I gotta take a break.
Folks, sorry for the eruption, but I must do it.
We'll be back and get to your phone calls after this.
This is unbelievable.
Just now on CNN, they had some typical left-wing sports writer talking, oh yeah, bullying in the NFL takes the form of a rookie tax.
And that's uh player being forced to spend 15 grand for the offensive lineman to go to Vegas.
Uh rookie taxes.
Everything's a so they're politicizing this in a sense, and at least in the way that they're trying to convey what this is.
But I'm telling you, folks, there's still way too much that we don't know about this to uh I think be able to form in well to be able to arrive at informed opinion on this.
There's still too much that we don't know on this Dolphins thing.
Because I I don't know how you bully a 320-pound 6'5 offensive tackle.
Anyway, let me go to the phones.
People have been patiently waiting for starting Austin, Texas with John.
Thank you, sir.
I'm glad you got through.
Hello.
Hey, Rush, it's a pleasure and an honor to talk to you.
Thank you, sir.
I went out to my car in 1988 to eat my sack lunch, and I've been listening to you on the radio ever since.
Uh, God bless you, sir.
Thank you.
Hey, Rush, I wanted to talk to the mayor of Realville about something you Said almost a year ago to the day that I've never forgotten.
Okay.
I was I always turn to you after elections because I need to get your take on what happens, whether we win big or we win lose.
And the day after the election, you I want you to jog your memory.
You spoke something I've never forgotten.
You said that it's going to take events to change what's going on in America.
And we are seeing those events go on right now.
That's right.
Um my pick.
Yeah, because my I I know I remember remember exactly.
My my point was that there was no longer anything anybody could say.
Right.
To Obama voters to change their minds.
There's this we we're talked out.
We've we've told everybody before it happened what was going to happen, and we were right.
We warned everybody, we've told her truth, and they chose not to believe it, not see it or what have you.
So I said, given that, folks, just be patient because the only thing now that is going to actively change public opinion in a big way is actual events, which we can't predict.
We don't know what events are going to happen.
But there if anybody is going to be, if anything is going to cause there to be a reduction in support for Obama, it's going to be events.
And so you're saying that you get to keep your doctor, that lie, and your premiums are going to be reduced twenty five hundred.
Those and the Obamacare rollout itself is an event now that you think I was uh using as an example.
Yeah, I think you also were talking about like the you know seventeen trillion dollar deficit.
Well, people in a way they don't feel it daily, but when you get a letter in the mail saying your your policy is going up, you know, three times, that's a real event.
Exactly right.
You've got a I've never forgotten it, Rush.
Yeah, you've got a great it was a profundity, and I'm I'm I'm flattered beyond my ability to express you remember it because that's exactly right.
And we may be living mad event now.
I've just made uh an executive decision, and we have posted at Rush Limdog.com, or we're in the process.
It's gonna be up soon if it isn't up yet.
The March of this year interviewer Ken Cucinelli, the uh Republican gubernatorial candidate in Virginia.
That election is tomorrow.
Obama is in there touting Terry McCulliff.
Just man, I I am I am just I I uh that that McAuliffe is even running.
I mean McCulliff doesn't know the first thing about being a governor.
He's gonna be a placeholder for the money men and the corporatists and so forth, he's just a Clinton placeholder in there.
And and anyway, I just came away with a really favorable impression of Cuccinelli as a no nonsense, and actually courageous, genuine conservative after that interview.
So I said, put it up there.
Go ahead.
It was in March of this year, so we're posting it at Rushlimbaugh.com even as we um as we speak.
Jeb, Charlotte, North Carolina.
Hello, sir.
Great to have you here.
Yes.
Rush?
Yeah.
Hey, how are you doing today?
Good day.
Thank you very much.
Hey, uh, I wanted to get back to your previous yeah, the early part of your show when you were talking about uh Dr. Zeke and uh and all the cohorts that are pushing this, you know, it's only five percent, marginalizing those fifteen, sixteen million people.
Yeah.
And and how maniacal they're being, because when you look at the plan, every one of them when they're approached with it, and I watch these political shows on Sunday.
I watch every one of them because they all come on at different broadcast times in certain areas.
God bless you.
I don't know how you do that.
Oh, you know, there are times that I I'm surprised I have a screen on the TV set.
I just want to throw stuff at it, but that's not gonna be the case.
And uh oh, before I get to this, I wanted to not sound sarcastic, but I enjoyed being on hold because since I sent my daughter off to college and she had to take my computer with her, and I'm starting up a business and she left me her little notebook, so sometimes it bogs down, so I can't watch on on the net.
Um but anyway, you know, when they're trying to herd seven million people that they need and they know where it's coming from.
Sibylia said it on the hill.
Axel Rod said it on Gregory's show yesterday.
Even Van Jones said it on this week with Stepanopoulos and Dr. Zeke this morning on MSNBC and yesterday on Chris Wallace.
They all marginalized and say it's 15%.
That's only 15 million people.
But they know they needed them.
And they they keep saying that the insurance companies were going to change their policies anyway, because they understood renewals and the renewal policies and how companies operate.
They change every year.
So if every one of them are admitting that they knew the practices of the insurance companies, the very next question should be to hammer them with their own words is if you knew the numbers, why did you write the regulation the way you did?
You did it with intent and malice because you knew that people are just numbers, and that should be the bumper sticker in the campaign against Democrats.
See, you've just, for my taste, you've just hit on the real crux of this.
Because you're right.
They're running around and talking about this group of people here that they're talking about is a statistical anomaly.
It's just, you know, 7% of people, 15 million people.
That's right.
It's 15 million people, real people.
Not statistics, not numbers, not ID tags, not usernames and passwords.
These are 15 million people, human beings.
And I've grown up being told ad nauseum that the only people that really care about other people are Democrats.
That they're the ones that have all the compassion.
They're the ones looking out for the little guy and the downtrodden and the poor and the middle class.
And now here come real people being kicked out of their insurance plans one way or the other.
Well, that's just a statistic, you know, it's a minority, it's a very small number, but it's an outlier.
It really doesn't matter.
And the insurance companies are responsible for this and so forth.
And it's insulting.
But it it isn't just that five or seven percent or whatever the number you're using, Jeb, uh, who have individual plans.
Even the Obama administration admitted that more than half of the people with employer plans are going to lose them.
We're talking about a lot more than 7%, 15%, 15 million people.
The regime admitted, look, even the AP, the AP actually cited a person in an article who lost his employer plan, and they said that they'll be lost for the same reasons as the individual plans are being canceled.
Too expensive.
The employers are dropping them because they don't have a mandate to carry them anymore.
There is no longer an employer mandate that that's in place, so they can they can get rid of anybody they want.
They don't have to provide insurance.
That's upping numbers like crazy.
And the regime admitted back in 2010.
They said that 93 million people are going to lose their plans.
That's not a small statistic.
You may you may remember Jeff, we had a story last week, and it was it was uh a story that was uncovered.
It was uh it was a memo that ended up in the Federal Register, which is the government's Bible of events that happened, and the meet the media didn't report it, somebody found it, I forget 93.
The Obama administration itself admitted projected 93 million people would lose their plans, their existing coverage, their existing doctor with the implementation of Obamacare.
That's not a statistic.
Now, by January of 2014, more people are going to end up losing their insurance than are ever going to get insurance under Obamacare today.
That's the statistic.
This is a disaster.
It was the result.
This whole thing is the result of the American people being lied to grotesquely.
Now I want to go back to our caller in the previous half hour who um uh may made the point that that uh I told people after the election it was gonna take events now, that words were not gonna persuade people, that uh we'd told everybody we had to tell everything that we'd given everybody ample warning about Obama.
We told everybody who Obama is, what his policy is gonna do, and words just didn't seem to matter.
And I said, now we're down to events.
Events that we can't foretell, events that we don't know, but it's going to take, and events that might not ever happen.
But it's going to take an event or a series of events for Obama voters to see what they've done.
I was basically saying something had to happen to change the electorate.
I said, people don't see the deficit.
They don't see tax increases because they never see the money.
It's just withheld.
They never have, there's no concept in a tax increase of paying the money.
They don't notice the failures in Benghazi and the Arab Spring or Syria.
They they hear about it, but it's distant, and they can't believe it a president would be that incompetent because they can't believe they would elect somebody that dumb or stupid or incompetent.
So that doesn't work.
But they do sure as heck notice when their insurance gets canceled.
And they sure as heck notice when their premiums and their deductibles triple.
They notice this.
They remember they were promised it wouldn't happen.
And in many people's cases, that's precisely why they voted to re-elect Obama.
I remember the show was November 19th, 2012.
Events will drive next Republican victory.
That's the way it's headlined at my website, rushlimbaug.com.
What I said back then was that we're beyond the point now where words or policies are going to change anything.
Been there, done that.
We now have to be patient.
This is a year ago I said this.
Only events are going to upset the current status quo.
And I said at some point people are going to see that there is a better life.
It's always happened.
It's a cyclical thing.
I don't know when it's going to happen, but events will happen that'll cause Republicans to win again, even in spite of themselves.
But it'll be the events.
It'll be the decline due to these big government policies that leads to the next Democrat loss.
It'll not be a bunch of Republicans running around saying the right things.
And that's what we're in the midst of seeing.
Now there's something troubling in the midst of all this.
And you can trace the troubling to the way Ted Cruz and Mike Lee were treated.
Not by the Democrats, but by Republicans.
Mainstream Republican establishment types were as loud as Democrats were in trying to discredit Ted Cruz.
Members of his own party party.
And they were all saying that Ted Cruz was really setting people up for a major disappointment.
It was really cruel what Ted Cruz was doing because he was asking people to sign a petition.
Yeah.
That would end up defunding Obamacare or delaying it.
And these Republicans were saying that's dishonest.
Ted Cruz can't do that because the votes in the Senate for this aren't there.
And he knows it.
Ted Cruz is just grandstanding.
He's fundraising, he's doing it for his own political advancement.
He's lying to people, he's setting them up, and these Tea Party people are going to be really let down.
And I remember saying the Tea Party know exactly what Ted Cruz is doing.
They're under no illusions here, what's going on.
And Ted Cruz isn't misleading anybody.
He's giving them hope.
He's giving them leadership.
He's showing them the way.
He's giving them a reason and a way to fight back against this stuff.
Meanwhile, the Republican establishment's sitting there twiddling their thumbs.
Now let's move to the Virginia.
It does appear that the Republican establishment would not mind if Cucinelli lost.
I saw Carl Rove.
I was a little surprised, but Carl Rove, I think it was on, I forget, uh, yesterday or this morning.
It was on Fox.
And Carl Rove was asked to handicap the Virginia governor's race, and he I'm paraphrasing, but he said to him it looked like McAuliffe was going to win it.
Looked like McAuliffe had it in the back.
Now, this is a day before the election.
And I thought that's a I don't know.
Anyway, I uh the the operative theorem here, folks, and I think there's a lot of uh truth to this.
The theory is that the Republican establishment, excuse me, wouldn't mind Cucinelli losing.
Cucinelli is a just I'm gonna use the term here to to illustrate.
It's not precise, but he is a Reagan conservative, and he's a is a he's a genuine conservative.
He really is.
There's no rhino about him, is my point.
And I think the Republican establishment wouldn't mind him losing because if Cucinelli loses, what do they get to do?
They get to blame the Tea Party.
They get to blame conservatives.
And they get to say, see, conservatives just can't win.
You people are killing the Republican Party, you Tea Party types and you people insisting on conservatives are just too big a minority, too small a minority, there's no way you just can't when you're losing elections for us.
I think that's what they want to say.
I I don't know this, but I'm telling you that I don't think there would be that much disappointment if Cucanoi lost.
Now stop and think about it.
If that's right, if that happens to be true, stop and think about what that means.
That you actually have the Republican establishment with a chance to win another governorship in Virginia, and they'd be okay if they lose it because they'll get to blame the Tea Party and conservatives for it.
And I think there's very little doubt that the Republican Party's not happy with its base Tea Party and Conservatives.
And I just um I don't know this, but a lot of people have this theory, and I think it's got a lot of credence.
I've got to take a break.
Sit tight, my friends.
We'll be back.
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We go to Paula in Roanoke, Virginia.
Hi, Paula, great to have you on the EIB network.
Hello.
Oh, thank you, Raj Megadetto.
Thank you.
You know, I've I've been thinking about this Obamacare thing for a very long time now, as I know a lot of people have, but it occurs to me that this is not just politics.
I think a criminal case can be made for conspiracy to commit a criminal fraud.
Well, that's hard-hitting.
Really?
I mean, think about it.
They hid themselves away in rooms in the Capitol, lock the doors, had guards out.
They wouldn't take any amendments from the Republicans.
They marched people in and out of the White House, um, threatening their businesses with regulations to put them out of business.
I really see very little other than murder that differs from the mafia.
Jeez, that very little other than murder.
Well, they might be doing that too, but why are you ruling that out?
Oh, I'm not entirely.
So you got a you got an organized crime syndicate here really operating.
Yes.
Um I would love to.
How do you explain John Roberts, the Supreme Court chief justice who passed on all this and said, hey, it's all fine.
It's all legal, it's all hunky-dory.
Sure.
Sure it is.
Well, I mean, no, but how do you explain John Roberts?
I mean, he's a Supreme Court chief justice.
We we literally owe him for this law being in implemented.
I think he was just stupid.
If he wasn't bribed, he was just stupid.
Bribed.
I would love to hear what a lawyer thinks about it.
He'd love to.
Yeah, you put an interesting twist on this.
You know, if you look at if you look at uh McAuliffe as the governor of Virginia, well, what is really going on with that?
I mean, if you um put yourself in the shoes of the Clintons on this one, because he's a Clintonite.
So why do the Clintons want McAuliffe in Virginia?
That's yeah, that's true.
Set up Hillary's run.
She'd need Virginia.
And McAuliffe could, I mean, once McAuliffe's in there, I mean, you may as well bring John Wong back and uh uh all those clowns doing the White House coffees and uh whoever else.
Charlie Tree, bring them all back.
The uh barbecue restaurant guy in uh bring back the uh Robert Redbone, the uh uh taught Hillary how to trade in some court of futures or whatever.
I'd say this is just a money grab.
This is what these people are.
You know, you make socialists, communists, whatever.
These people, they're just they take other people's money and distribute it to everybody else.
They're cronies.
It's crony corporatism, capitalism, crony capital, something that's really odd here.
Folks, we got to take a brief time out here at the top of the busy broadcast hour, but we've got another one.
Another hour.
Right on the other side of our obscene profit timeout.
Sit tight, be patient, much more.
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