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May 30, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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May 30, 2013, Thursday, Hour #3
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen of the Rush Limbaugh Show, Rush, as you know is not here today.
It is I Degabanski here filling in for Rush, doing what I was born to do, which apparently is filling in for Rush.
Um, yeah, this this whole story of this IRS chief, his eighteen, 118 White House visits, uh, is all gonna have to be explained.
Now, when you think about this, one you have one IRS commissioner, he visits Obama's White House 118 times between 2010 and 2012, don't 2011.
And if you compare it to George Bush's White House, the tax chief there visits only once in four years.
So it was very unusual for a man to, who's head of the IRS to visit the White House a lot of times.
Now, the alibi that the White House is now stuck itself to is this.
Well, we had to work closely with the IRS in order to implement Obamacare.
And as I've been pointing out for the past two hours, are any of you more comfortable knowing what we know now about operation that won't answer to Congress, that'll stonewall, that'll cover up, that will punish.
Are any of you know less concerned about them being involved in Obamacare in any way, shape, or form?
Obamacare is still something that you want to go away.
Obamacare is still something that the Congress has the chance to defund, and yet they don't.
Now, let us say that Obama had been planning a big tax code restructuring.
Well, you you might say that, and then you might say, well, okay, there would need to be many more meetings with the head of the IRS.
But they weren't planning a big tax code restructuring.
He has a hundred and eighteen visits, and he says, with what we used to call a smack face, with a smart aleck look on his face.
He says he visited the one he's asked why he went there on eighteen.
I visited the White House.
Well, one of the reasons was an Easter egg roll with my kids.
There is an awful lot you do not know about the communications between the White House and the IRS.
And this is a this is a government that has no interest whatsoever in preserving its integrity.
By the way, if you do the math on this, this means that there's something like an Easter egg roll every you know three and a half days.
Why didn't one of the questioners, one of the Republicans at this time, wake up and say, sir, that is a smart Alec answer, and it's unacceptable to me, and it's unacceptable to the American public.
Now, I expect you to answer the question.
Now, the easy answer is they were planning for the IRS oversight, whatever that means, of Obamacare.
Not that I believe that's what they were meeting about, but but you know, the low information voter out there will take that quite happily.
Now, there may very well be recordings somewhere.
There's got to be.
There's got to be some records, emails, records, notes, recordings.
Look, here's the thing.
I'm baffled by this.
We know the White House logs that show this guy comes and goes to the White House 118 times.
Why does Obama's administration buy bother even keeping a White House log?
I'm just asking.
They they seem to ignore all the other rules.
Why bother keeping a White House log?
Well, you can explain it in these terms.
For the time covered by the 118 visits, then fold in the visits of Miller as well.
Subtract all the days from which Barack Obama was not available, whether it would be it vacations, golf outings, presidential business, fundraisers, a lot of fundraisers, Campaign trips, then match up the dates of those visits with the dates Obama would have been available.
And you can ask a whole bunch of other questions.
Now, there is a very important name that has yet to be mentioned in the story.
And this is where this is where I'm going with Jeffrey Lord and his American Spectator, his superb reportage in the American Expectator.
National Treasury Employees Union.
That is who runs the IRS.
Now there's a name here.
The name is Colleen Kelly.
Colleen Kelly is the president of the National Treasury Employees Union, the NTEU.
And she has a type of relationship with the White House that may in fact be where the smoking gun and all of this is leading.
And I'm going to use Jeffrey Lloyd's wonderful report here.
As they say, it's almost Woodward and Bernstein.
He's like a one-man Woodward and Bernstein in this reporting.
Okay.
He asked the question that's on everyone's mind.
Is President Obama directly implicated in the IRS scandal?
And then when you start asking that question, what Lord has found out is that there's a whole bunch of facts that start falling into place.
March 31st, 2010, according to the White House Visitors Log, you have Colleen Kelly, the president of the NTEU, which is the IRS Union.
You have her visiting the White House.
The very next, and you have her meeting with the President, in fact, the very next day after her White House meeting with the President, the very next day, and this is according to the Treasury Department's Inspector General's report,
the very next day after she meets with the President, IRS employees, these are the same employees, ladies and gentlemen, that belong to the NTEU, the very next day after she sees the president, the employees of the IRS set to work, targeting Tea Party and conservative groups, and that is reported in the Inspector General's report.
In short, the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union, this is an important point, the union that runs the IRS, is strongly anti-Tea Party.
They're in Obama's pocket.
They're the union for the IRS.
They are 150,000 of them, by the way.
And they represent IRS employees and they represent employees of 30 other separate government agencies.
But the very day after the president of this, they're not shy about saying that it's anti-Tea Party labor union who inhabit and run the IRS the very next day after she meets with President Obama, the manager of the IRS, quote, determinations unit program, agreed to open a what's called a sensitive case report on the Tea Party cases.
This is all stated in the Inspector General's report, according to Jeffrey Lord's reporting.
So this woman, Colleen Kelly, who, by the way, herself, she's a 14-year IRS veteran agent, this union, the union's PAC endorsed Obama in both 2008-2012.
They gave this union that runs the IRS, gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles to anti-Tay candidates.
Are you on the edge of your seat believing what I'm telling you?
Now this puts, and this is what Jeffrey Lord's reporting shows us.
It puts the IRS employees in the position where they are actively financing anti-Taarty candidates themselves, whilst in their official positions in the IRS blocking, auditing, intimidating Tea Party and conservative groups around the country.
Now, the IG report, let us remember the IG report was based on an audit, not an investigation, and it contains a timeline.
And this timeline examines a few internal IRS emails, but they don't, because it's not a big investigation, they don't examine the White House visitor logs, they don't examine the emails there, phone records that relate to the relationship between the IRS union, the IRS union and the IRS, and the White House.
So a meeting between President Obama and the IRS union's Colleen Kelly, apparently, is not an unusual occurrence.
Now she goes to the White House, and this is more information that Jeffrey Lord has uncovered.
She goes to the White House on a particular occasion, and shortly after she leaves, the President Obama issues an executive order.
And this executive order is an executive order that directs, it gives the anti-Tea Party or anti-conservative, whatever way you want to call it, it gives the this presidential order from Obama gives the NTEU, which is the IRS union, a greater role in the day-to-day operation of the IRS than it already had, which was according to this reporting, very, very, very considerable.
So whatever way you want to look at this executive order, it grants authority to a union to have a lot of control within the IRS itself.
I'm waiting for the Congressman to ask these questions.
Get this.
According to Mr. Lord's reporting, the union already had the clout to determine the rules for IRS employees.
Right down to who would be allowed a BlackBerry.
Write down to what size office every employee was entitled to.
This is the same union that was doling out rather serious campaign contributions in 2010, 2012, as I mentioned a few moments ago, to anti-Tea Party, anti-conservative candidates with money supplied from IRS employees.
I got to take a short break, a short time out.
But ladies and gentlemen, the story continues.
Where is it leading us?
We'll find out.
Welcome back to the Russian Limbaugh Show, ladies and gentlemen.
Douglas Rabatsky here filling in for Rush.
I'm going through this, I'm chronicling for you the uh from the great reporting in the American Spectator of Jeffrey Lourdes, the um the very extraordinary relationship between a union that you may not even been peripherally aware existed, which is that the IRS is uh run by a union.
And the woman who's president of that union is a woman named Colleen Kelly.
And that uh the White House has a very unusually cozy relationship with her.
Remember, it has a cozy relationship with the head of the IRS, many, many, many visits there.
This guy says he went there for Easter egg hunt, you know, with a smirk on his face, an answer you would not tolerate from any from any sixth grade or third grade kid.
You'd say, excuse me, sir, come I uh I will not accept that.
You gotta give me a proper answer.
No one on the Republican, no Republican on the committee said that to him, by the way, just as there's no Republican calling for the abolishment of this tax code or the IRS, or for that matter, defunding Obamacare.
Very bizarre.
So the union, this union has a lot of clout, and this is the same union whose IRS employee members were being urged, and we already talked about earlier on the show today by Schumer and Max Baucus and Al Franken, being urged by elected officials to target Tea Party and other conservative groups.
Now, Obama, obviously he doesn't address this.
She doesn't address this, but this Woman went to the White House.
She met personally with the President on March 31st.
The union already had executive order behind it, which gave them authority over how the IRS was run, issued by this president.
It was an executive order directing that the IRS, quote, must allow employees and unions to have pre-decisional involvement in all workplace matters.
It was, ladies and gentlemen, according to Jeffrey Lord, the very next day, after that March 31st meeting at the White House, that the IRS, with the union involved in the decision making, was setting up the uh the Tea Party uh harassments.
Which of course the obvious question that Lord raises, as do others, which is the famous Watergate question, what did the President know?
When did he know it?
Now she's been asked, she did an interview in 2009 with the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, and she's out there boasting about her cozy relationship with the White House.
She's asked, has the Obama staff been receptive?
And she says, oh yes.
Yes, we've worked closely with the transition team, giving them suggestions throughout the campaign.
President Obama talked about working with federal employees in unions.
What does it mean when the woman who's the head of the union that runs the IRS says we've been working with them, giving them suggestions.
I was just at the White House, she says, while he was signing some executive orders to undo some things the prior administration did.
A little boastful there.
So what did what did the president of the union, how did the president of the union envisage the IRS union's relationship with the White House?
And this was a White House that she had already visited a mere ten days into the president's first term.
She's asked this question and she responds.
She says, we're looking for a return to what we used to call partisanship.
Excuse me.
That's a Freudian slip.
She says, we're looking for a return to what we used to call partnership.
I don't care what it's called.
For me, it's all about collaboration.
So you have all of these questions that arise.
Kelly was meeting with the president personally the day before the IRS kicks into high gear with its with its Tea Party harassments.
The IRS.
Now there's another character in this story, by the way, named Robert Tobias.
Now, Robert Tobias was a Clinton appointee in 2005, and he is on the IRS Oversight Board.
Now the interesting thing about him, he used to be the Union president.
Now he's on the oversight board.
You know the old expression, the Fox guarding the hen house.
So they give a statement.
They give a statement, the IRS Oversight Board.
It says IRS Oversight Board deeply troubled by breakdown and IRS process reviewing tax exempt applications.
But there's no reference to the influence of the anti-conservative, anti-Tea Party NTEU in the statement.
There's no reference to the fact that the union's ex-boss himself is sitting on the oversight board.
So there's a lot of questions.
You do start feeling like Colombo.
Is the IRS or the Oversight Board, are they collaborating right now with the White House or not in some sort of a cover-up?
And Lorde lays out beautifully here all the questions.
When did the president ever did the president ever discuss the Tea Party with Kelly?
Did the president ever communicate his thoughts on the Tea Party to Kelly in any fashion other than face-to-face conversation, such as email, text or by phone?
What was the subject of the Obama and Kelly March 31st meeting?
Who was present at the meeting?
See, ladies and gentlemen, this goes on and on and on and on.
Now with Nixon, there was a smoking gun.
That was a tape recording.
With Bill Clinton, there was a blue dress.
The White House, as I said much earlier in the show, is conducting itself as if they don't know what may yet be coming out.
You've got a woman who's a who was a 14-year IRS agent.
She's now both she's two things.
She's both the union president and the Obama administration appointee.
She's two things.
And she's directly going to the White House.
We need, ladies and gentlemen.
We need to know why Colleen Kelly, the head of the IRS union, visited the White House to see the president on March 31st, the day before the Inspector General's report says the targeting of conservative applications began.
And I would like to see her under oath before the House Committee.
Let's um let's get it under oath for starters and continue from there, shall we?
You know, it's a strange things, ladies and gentlemen, that i i in in today's Obama world, um, the world of the low information voter, the evidence no longer has seems to have any meaning.
Wait, when when you're given a glib answer like, well, the Easter egg role, it tells you two things.
First of all, it tells you the IRS knows that they might be in trouble, and secondly, it tells you they don't care.
They don't care.
And, you know, when they go to the White House, who are they meeting with?
Probably Valerie Jarrett.
What is David Axelrod's connection to all of this?
The IRS is as Mr. Shulman, I think, said before Congress, he said they have a major role in the money flow.
Major role in the money flow.
Well, concerning Obamacare, does that mean that tax dollars collected by the IRS are going to be managed for Obamacare eventually by the IRS?
This is the slippery slope, my friend connected to that world tells me it's entirely possible.
My friend is not a conspiracy theorist, he's a professional something in Washington.
I can't tell you what.
Ladies and gentlemen, it looks like the IRS and the Democrats knowingly engaged in some sort of, let's use the word conspiracy, that would influence the outcome of the national election.
The idea was to suppress conservative thought, conservative voters, Republican voters.
That's all.
That's all there is.
I would like to go to the calls.
I've been threatening to do that for ages.
Jason in Green Bay, Wisconsin has been holding for a long time.
Jason, welcome to the Russian Limbaugh Show.
How are you today, sir?
I'm good.
How are you?
I'm good, thanks.
Um, yeah, I just wanted to weigh in quickly on uh, you know, bureaucrats essentially being able to lead the fifth.
Yeah.
Um public servants, public servants taking the fifth.
I I'm sorry what that.
I I say public servants taking the fifth.
Correct.
Um, you know, just just for a comparison, you know, police officers who are entrusted with great power, you know, the ability to take your freedoms away and things like that.
There's a dichotomy for them.
You know, if they're engaged or alleged to be engaged in activity that warrants an internal investigation, they're given an order to disclose everything.
And they don't have the right to just be quiet.
Um obviously that changes if it becomes a criminal investigation, then they have all the rights afforded to everybody else.
But my point is, you know, when we entrust so much power to these people, there should be a point where information needs to be gathered to see if criminal activity was there that they don't have the right to be quiet.
They don't have the right to hold back any information.
And then, you know, if it moves to a criminal trial, then absolutely.
Doesn't it seem very odd to you that that when an employee is called in by their boss, the employee says, I'm not going to tell you how how how I ran the division of of your company?
Oh, absolutely.
It doesn't.
It doesn't make sense.
And for the the boss to just say, okay, and walk away from it.
But we don't know yet.
Mr. Isis says he's going to call her back.
We'll see.
Right.
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine, Jason, if this was done under a Republican administration against liberal groups, against liberal groups.
The Press would be howling for impeachments, indictments.
Right.
And you know, people, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, you should be concerned about this because political powers change.
And just because they're you know, saying, oh, it's a tea party, okay, great.
Who cares?
I'm glad they were targeted.
They should be thinking down the road, well, what if this happens to me?
What if what if the rules are reversed?
You know.
Yes, but you know something about I don't know how long you've been listening to the show today, Jason.
I made the point that I don't think that this bunch really care about too far down the road anything.
Remember, the Benghazi hoax about the video only had to last until November the sixth.
All of this the IRS thing, they only had to cover it up until he got re-elected.
In other words, I don't think they really care about how they manage this stuff.
Now their next end game is emigration, and at some point here flipping Texas so Texas goes liberal.
Because they want to ensure long-term control, long-term power.
And um that's how they think.
They think rather like second rate criminals.
Am I making sense to you, Jason?
Yeah, it it does.
It does, and it's it's sad that people don't have the foresight to foresee this stuff becoming a major issue.
Yeah, they're they're not terribly concerned about the pendulum swinging back the other way.
Exactly.
Um sad to say.
All right, Jason, anything else?
No, that's it.
Just wanted to wait.
Thanks for calling the Rush Limbaugh show, sir.
Thank you for calling the EIB network.
Look, when Shulman was up there saying he went to the Easter egg roll 118 times, whatever.
My opinion.
He was he was uh he was obviously lying about the nature of his visits because it's ludicrous that you go to the White House and you don't remember what was discussed.
I mean, maybe Lerner's gonna say she was just following Schulman's orders, and he's the guy who doesn't remember what he discussed.
Now look, they get it.
This is the same bunch running the IRS that are going to be managing and forcing health care that talk about carbon taxation.
You want them in charge of all this stuff.
Now we've got what is apparently um almost a virtual proven and massive suppression of the vote of conservatives.
I want to where I want to know where the ACLU is.
I want to know where the people who promote equality are.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know why the IRS head was visiting the White House so frequently.
They were in a collaboration, a partnership with the administration, just like the head of the IRS union.
Now we need some people to get the evidence.
These IRS characters, you've seen them on Capitol Hill, very, very haughty in their interviews with Congress.
They're behaving as if they are beyond the law, outside of the law, beyond being touched.
And there's a little bit of a sense that they're going to be protected no matter what.
And I would like myself, for one, I'd love to see Congress use its authority.
Crack down, not back down.
This is it is obvious, watching their body language, their eyes, hearing their vocal inflections, that these IRS people believe they are above the law.
Just like for all we know, just like Obama believes.
And you the I I've not heard barely a mention of the name Valerie Jarrett.
We mentioned it here today, sure.
But Valerie Jarrett, where is she on this story?
Where is she on the uh Benghazi story?
Look, given this administration's aggressive actions against anyone who questions its policies, it requires what is known as the willing suspension of disbelief to think that the White House's talks with the IRS never touched on dealing with conservative opponents.
You have to be crazy not to assume that's what was happening.
Shulman knew exactly what he was doing, in my opinion.
Lerner knows exactly what she's covering up.
Of course she does.
That's why she's taking the fifth.
Remember, the Obama campaign is the one that had detectives looking into all kinds of things about opponents in the past.
I don't need to chronicle that for you here today.
But prior to the past election, there were two parts of the White House.
One was the official White House and the other was the re election committee.
Gibbs and Axelrod, amongst others, well, in the White House part of the time, were no longer part of the staff because they were part of the reelection committee.
And then there's Jarrett, Jarrett, whose official position I'm not even sure of.
I don't even know if it's defined.
But getting the IRS to harass conservatives and conservative groups, while stalling paperwork on the status of Tea Party groups.
This could have been suggested by Gibbs, Axelrod, Jarrett, others.
Who knows?
But if they knew about it, the President knew about it.
They look and also progressives are very good at the pro at the the version of plausible deniability.
They think anyone who does not think the way they do is mentally deficient to start with.
Because these characters believe that they are so superior mentally.
Everyone should take what they say at face value.
And they don't give a hoot what you or anyone else thinks.
If you know what I mean.
I've got to take a quick break, ladies and gentlemen.
It's Doug Rabansky.
One more call when we come back.
It's Doug Rabansky filling in for Rush.
We'll be right back.
you As promised, I wanted to grab one more call before we wrap up today, ladies and gentlemen, Dugarbasky filling in for Russia.
So let's go to George in Lynchburg, Virginia.
George, you've been waiting a long time.
Thanks so much for calling.
How are you today, sir?
Uh, we love you in Lynchburg, Doug.
That's very sweet of you to say so.
Thank you.
You know, you were saying a little bit ago about suspended disbelief.
I'm just thinking of the phrase, it's only a movie, it's only a movie.
It's true.
Uh Doug, I'll get right into it.
I've been hit on two levels.
I'm the education chairman for the Lynchburg Tea Party, and I also work with some Christian groups who serve the poorest the poor in Africa.
Excuse me, excuse me, George.
George, are you there?
Yes.
Can you share with me the content of your prayers, please?
Oh, yeah.
Wait we were well, wait until I get into this.
Our mission group uh helps one of one of our groups helps traumatized kids in Africa.
We've been working in Uganda helping people there since Idiomin was overthrown.
The IRS would not grant our request for a 501 C three status for our latest program.
They demanded information on all our donors, and when we ask our Congressman Bob Goodlat to help, we got a letter from the IRS.
Never try a stunt like that again.
You went to the bottom of the stack.
And we backed off because more delays just meant more suffering for those kids.
And those kids, they don't understand the Obama administration's hatred for conservatives or Christians.
They they only understand that they're not being helped.
You know, you raise an interesting point because there's there's many ways to punish.
One is to ask lots of very uh inappropriate and intrusive questions, and other ways to rule against you, but he but uh but an even more torturous way is just to delay you along so you're in a sort of inoperable limbo that you can't go left or right or backwards or forwards.
For us it was two years.
What happened at the end of it?
It was just it was just ridiculous.
We already had a track record.
And and when they demanded to know who our who all of our contributors were uh is I I believe this uh IRS thing, though, isn't really the thing.
I think Benghazi is the thing, and the IRS is just maybe a diversion.
I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but during the Rohrbacher hearings, it was apparent that uh Mr. Clinton was going to be brought up on some very, very serious charges on what he had given to the Chinese.
Now you know something, George, I want to tell you, George, I want to tell you something.
George, I like you very much because you have assumed that I'm much younger than I am.
It must be the youthful bounce in my voice.
Um I do remember those hearings very, very well.
Let's not presume anything that the IRS is a diversion for Benghazi.
What it is is it's all bad.
And Benghazi will come and go, and maybe one day we'll get to the bottom of it, or we won't.
But we do, George.
We have a tax code and an a division of law enforcement known as the IRS that has the ability to just do anything to the citizenry.
It's awfully scary to me, George.
You've been the victim of it.
You don't really think it was a cover up for Benghazi.
You were do that just jumped out of your mouth, right?
No, the way they trotted it out at this time.
No, it's a it's a a horrific thing, and they showed their utter disrespect, uh let alone their utter lack of fear of our Congressman Bob Goodlat, who is the head of the Judiciary Committee.
I mean, he's a good man, and they just it was like they slap bitched him like a you know, like he was nothing.
Yeah, the citizens don't seem to matter at all.
Then the citizens are represented by the Congress.
And that's what I don't know if you caught me talking about this idea that they're behaving like a fourth equal branch of government, unanswerable to anybody.
May I quote H. L. Mencken?
Please do.
Okay.
Uh in the Baltimore evening Sun back in July 26th of 1920, this is what he said.
This democracy is perfected.
The office of the president represents more and more closely the inner soul of it of the people.
On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire.
And at last, the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.
Well, Makin was great, and there's there's a lot others like him that that saw this coming.
I think that this is this is playing for keeps because tomorrow I'm here filling in for Rush once more, and we're gonna talk a little bit about immigration and a little bit about health care and a little bit about their desire to flip Texas.
They're playing so that radical leftism becomes institutionalized forever.
And yet that as Rush often points out, they're the minority ruling over us, the majority.
All right, George.
Thanks so much for calling the Rush Limbaugh Show, by the way.
It's Duggar Bansky filling in for Rush.
I appreciate the call so much.
Great to talk to you, George.
Great to talk to all the Rush Limbaugh listeners.
Look, as Hillary Clinton said, may I quote Hillary Clinton?
What does it matter?
What does any of it matter?
And what difference does it make?
My friends, I don't think Barack Obama would be president today.
Today, if we had an intelligent, responsible media.
If we had more engaged citizens who cared more about the future of this country than they do about Honey Boo-Boo and Tim Kardashian.
This is the low information voter that Russia's always talking about.
I got a scoot.
I'll come back for the closing remarks in mere moments, Dugarbansky for Rush, be right back.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama would not be president today if there was an honest mainstream media who were not so blatantly uh in the tank form as Rush points out to you all the time.
Their ideology has replaced all intellectual curiosity.
Think of it, you've had Cylindra.
You've had Fast and Furious, Benghazi Gate, the IRS Gate.
You have the phone records grab at the AP.
These things they're hoping the low information voter loses uh interest in or never even hears about.
There is evidence of a real culture of corruption, and it's emerging every single day.
Even the folks on the right, many people, Rush and others have been screaming about all that all that wrongdoing for ages.
The IRS, of course, hit home even with those on the left, because it could happen to them, and the IRS has long exceeded their authority.
We'll talk about taxation in the IRS at some detail tomorrow here.
Everyone, everyone, everyone is afraid of the IRS because it's the only government entity where you are guilty until proven innocent.
And the government presumes guilt, which is contrary to our entire concept of our system, of our justice system.
Ask yourself, simple question.
Who benefits from the targeting of conservative groups by the IRS?
Well, targeting is a polite word for the word intimidation.
And the people who benefit are Chicago thugs.
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