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April 18, 2013 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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April 18, 2013, Thursday, Hour #2
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Here's what I was talking about.
Right here it is in the politico.
Gun control.
President Obama's biggest loss.
And it's what I mean when I say everything is looked at through the prism of how does this help Obama?
How does this hurt Obama?
And there are many other such examples that I could cite.
Greetings and welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
L Rushbow, your guiding light here at the EIB network.
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And we welcome back to the program, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.
I think you just hustled to our microphones here from a Senate vote, correct?
Yeah, we did.
Still voting on the uh gun legislation.
Gun legislation.
Senator, let I know your time is limited here.
I know you've got a very vis busy day, and I l let's get started.
I I must tell you I'm uh I just don't understand this, Senator.
I don't understand why we're doing something that the Democrats are salivating.
I've never agreed with Senator Schumer about anything, and I'm being told that I should on this.
I d I'm just having a tough time I I look at what happened in in California after the last amnesty, we lost that state to the Democrats.
I'm having trouble seeing how this benefits Republicans.
Well, a couple things.
First of all, the as far as Senator Schumer and others who are on the bill are concerned, uh I think the way to understand it is they've agreed to things that we believe in because they they want our support.
They understand it's important to get something done.
Primarily because not just in the Senate, but because in the House it's controlled by conservative Republicans.
As far as why we're dealing with the issue, let me just begin by saying, Rush, that if we didn't have a single illegal immigrant in the United States, we'd still have to do immigration reform for two reasons.
One, because our current legal immigration system is broken.
I think Americans support legal immigration.
I know you do.
Legal immigration is good for America if it's controlled and and and structured and via legal process, of course.
And but the problem is the system we have in place right now is broken.
For example, it is completely family-based, which means it is only based not on what you can do or what talent you have or what merit you bring or what job you could fill, but rather on whether you know someone who already lives here.
That needs to be reformed, and and actually we do that.
The second is because our immigration laws are not enforced.
And in particular, we don't have an electronic verification system.
So when people are hired, they're basically hired using illegal documents.
We don't track uh people that are overstaying visas.
So 40% of our illegal immigrants are people that entered legally and have overstayed.
And our border is not secure, and we know that is a national security and sovereignty issue as much as it is an immigration issue.
So for those two reasons alone, we we have to do something.
And beyond it, I would just say it's not good for the country to have eleven million people here who we don't know who they are, where they're living, with they're not paying taxes, but they're showing up in emergency rooms or driving up the cost of auto insurance because they don't have driver's licenses and are getting into accidents.
They're having children which are U.S. citizens.
So, I mean, it's an issue that needs to be dealt with, and beyond that, it's an issue the Democrats were going to raise anyway, so we might as well have an alternative, and and that's what we've worked on, and hopefully we can keep it an alternative that that we can support.
I want to stick with the with the politics of this for for just a second.
Before I heard what you say, understand.
I'm an I'll I have some questions for you about that.
But the politics of this still fascinate me.
Um if you look at the 2010 election or 2012 election results, the percentage of the electorate was seven that was Hispanic was seven percent.
And we got twenty-seven, twenty-eight percent of that vote.
The evangelical vote was about twenty-eight percent of the electorate, and we got seventy-eight percent of that.
The Republican Party seems to be saying we need to focus on the Hispanic vote and and and get rid of the social issues.
The social issues are killing us.
But the Hispanic vote's not that big a percentage of the vote in order for the party to be totally turning upside down what it believes in.
Well, Rush, you make uh an interesting point.
I would say two things to that.
Number one is um I agree with you that the evangel the it we can do we should continue to be the pro-life and pro-traditional values party, and I believe that uh that in fact that will help us among Hispanic voters.
So the second point I would make to you is that I understand that some voices in the Republican Party are saying we need to do immigration reform for political reasons.
I am not one of them per se.
This is not my motivation.
If people think that we pass this and tomorrow we go from twenty-eight percent to thirty-eight percent or forty-eight percent, that's just not accurate.
I do think it will help them.
I do think it will help us make our argument for limited government uh because people will now perhaps be willing to listen to us.
Right now the Democrats just distract them.
They basically say, Well, you can't listen to Republicans on anything because they don't like people like you.
It's unfair, but that's how they use this issue.
And I'm sure they'll continue to try to use it in that way.
But that should not be the reason why we do this.
I mean, if we are doing this for political reasons, I think we're we're going to be disappointed.
And it's not my motivation.
My motivation is I want to solve this problem for the country.
And beyond it, let me say that as far as what's happened in California and in other places with regard to the you know what's driving population growth in California among Hispanics as it is around the country is the birth rate.
It's not immigration.
And and and also to that I would say that every political movement, conservatism included, depends on the ability to convince people that do not agree with you now to agree with you in the future.
And I think we have a very strong argument to make to people that are coming here to improve their lives and want to give their children a better life, that what they came here to get away from was big government, and that in fact the only way for that to be possible is to free enterprise and limited government.
It's a tough argument.
We got to make it consistently over a significant period of time.
But I I know it's when I've been successful making, and I believe we can be successful making as a party.
You have been, and your personal story is a profoundly motivational and inspirational one, the one that you tell about your father, but then I I see polling data again that suggests that seventy percent of the Hispanic population worldwide or in the country believes that government is the primary source of prosperity.
I don't therefore understand this contention that Hispanics are conservatives in waiting.
Yeah.
Well, I don't think...
Let me say a couple things.
First of all, I think the fastest on the social issues...
The fastest growing uh religious groups in America, some of the fastest growing churches are Chris uh Hispanic evangelical churches, and I do think we have an opportunity on the social issues.
As far as the issue you explained with the seventy percent of Hispanics, and I haven't seen that poll, but I've heard similar numbers in other places, so I understand your point.
I'd say that's a growing problem in America in general.
I think we have a growing problem in this country that too many people have forgotten what the true sense of prosperity is.
That's true.
That I think that's true across the board.
And let me tell you who I blame for that first and foremost.
I blame that primarily, quite frankly, on on and uh decisions made by the Republican Party in the past to embrace crony capitalism and corporate welfare as conservatism.
When in fact that's not what we're about.
We are about upward mobility, we're about the true free enterprise system.
We're not about big companies being able to use uh the the federal government to create rules and regulations that make it harder on their competitors.
And I also think that while we've had multiple candidates in the past that have campaigned as limited government conservatives, uh course, until uh it's their government program that they're trying to protect or or what have you.
So I don't think necessarily Republicans have always governed as the limited government uh movement, and the result is you see this kind of confusion in the American electorate about what the source of prosperity is.
We've got a better job.
We have to do a better job of explaining to all Americans that the free enterprise system is the only way to consistently create the kind of growth and opportunity uh that America's always been uh identified with.
Let's go to the bill.
One of the last time you were here, you you were uh very certain you were you assured everybody that until the border was secure, there would not be legalization pathway to citizenship.
Now, people who've seen the bill say that what actually happens is that the legalization does take place and that then there's a commission that has ten years to figure out border security, which is true.
Well, a couple points.
First of all, the legalization does not begin automatically.
We do we don't want to wait on legalizing, and I'll tell you why.
And my original position was that that we wanted to, you know, secure the border first and then legalize.
The problem is we have people millions of people here now, by some estimates ten, eleven million.
We want to know who they are and freeze the problem in place.
I don't want that number to grow.
It behooves us to know who they are as soon as possible.
So it doesn't get worse.
What we do is we say the Department of Homeland Security, and this is gets tricky, so it's important to follow me on it because it's uh I gotta explain the path.
There's actual multiple triggers here.
The Department of Homeland Security has to come up with two plans.
One to secure the border and one to build fencing, and has to be both.
And they have to not only come up with the plans which would be reviewed by both the Border Commission on an advisory role and also the General Accounting Office, which is a nonpartisan, very serious agency of government, to ensure that it achieves the following goal a hundred percent awareness of the border, ninety percent apprehension.
And they have five years to meet that standard.
If in five years the border is not one ninety percent apprehension, one hundred percent awareness, they lose control of the border issue to a commission that is not a Washington commission.
It is a commission that will largely be driven by the governors of the border states.
And I have full confidence that the governors of these border states, talking about Arizona, uh Texas, New Mexico, obviously California as well, but it's particularly Arizona and Texas, which are the ones most impacted by it now.
Uh, these governors will take care of this problem and they'll be given money to be able to take care of it.
In addition to that, e verify becomes mandatory for every business in America, starting with the business biggest companies, and the entry exit system becomes mandatory.
We will track the entry and the exit of all visitors to the United States at all of our airports and seaports.
And all of those things must happen before uh a single green card is issued uh to the to those that are waiting through the regular RPI status, as we call it, the uh provisional status that we've created.
And uh so these are triggers that really must happen, and and we're obviously I think it's a vast improvement over what we have now.
We're talking with Senator Marco Rubio.
I know your your schedule is jam tag today.
If it any if you can't make it to the bottom of a half hour, you say so, and it won't be a problem, but I've taken brief time out now, and we'll be back with Senator Rubio right after this.
Don't go away, folks.
And we're back on the Rush Limbaugh program with Senator Marco Rubio from Florida, and we're talking about the upcoming legislation involving immigration.
Senator, I know a lot of Republicans who are I know that you say that the the political aspects of this are not yours.
But so many people are scared to death, Senator, that the Republican Party is committing suicide that we're going to end up legalizing nine million automatic Democrat voters.
And that's why the Democrats are so adamant, don't understand why the Republicans are so eager to make that happen.
We seem to be wanting to reach out to Hispanics.
Once we do everything we do to reach out to Hispanics, how can we ever reform welfare?
How can reform anything that that we might want to change if it's the product of reaching out to Hispanics, giving them what we think they want in order to get their votes when they're already going to vote Democrat.
Well, a couple things that I would say about that.
First of all, I'm not prepared to admit that somehow there's this entire population of people that because of their heritage are not willing to listen to our our our pitch on why limited government is better.
As I said on the outset, we're this is an argument that right now, unfortunately, I think we are losing in many sectors of our society.
We have young people that have somehow grown up, and we can chalk it up to the what the schools are teaching or what they're seeing in the mass media, but people who who come grown up to believe that government is the source of prosperity, that the way to grow our economy is for the government to spend more.
That's always been a challenge, because it's a lot easier to sell people on a government program than it is to sell them on free enterprise and limited government.
Uh it's easier to promise that that's for sure.
But I think the evidence is on our side.
Once we explain to people the reality of this, I think we can convince anyone.
Certainly, I think we convince a lot of people in America.
The in the the I think the future of conservatism, and in fact, I think the future of America depends on how effective we are at explaining to as many Americans as possible why the road we are on right now is such an economic disaster.
And I just may maybe, you know, I just refuse to accept the notion that somehow we're not going to be able to make that argument successfully to Hispanics.
Um I I just I I imagine that in places like California and New York, where there's a large segment of Hispanics that also happen to live in very liberal communities, it will probably be a heavier lift.
But in places like Florida and Texas, Virginia, uh and other places throughout the country where there's a growing Hispanic population not tied to these traditional centers of liberalism, I think we have a very compelling story to tell.
The evidence shows that Hispanics are heavily entrepreneurial.
And I know this the more taxes people pay, the more that they own, the more they have at stake in the economy, the more conservative and more limited government they become.
And I've seen that with my own eyes.
Now well, I have too, within uh certain years, certain eras of this country's history, we're not we're not in an era like that now.
We're we're in an era where seemingly more people are low information than ever before and are more susceptible.
Look at Senator, look at the number of people at not working.
I mean, they're ninety million people are not working, but they're all eating, they've all got phones, they've all got T V sets and so forth.
They are being supported.
They They are able to live sufficiently well enough that getting a job is not that important, not nearly as important.
It's a cultural thing that's happening here.
And now we're going to throw immigration reform in this mix right now.
I understand your objectives, and they're really admirable.
And I I totally wish you uh all the luck and all the the best with it.
We need people like you fighting for these kind of things.
There's there's no question.
But you said something earlier at the top of the interview that the immigration system's broken, there are 11 million people, whatever.
We don't know who they are, and we've got to fix it.
Why?
What what is it about right now that says forget everything else?
I've asked you, forget the political ramifications I've asked you about.
Why does it need to be fixed right now?
Well, first of all, things.
If it was up to me, if I controlled the flow of business in the Senate, we would be focused on tax reform and how to get our economy growing again and how to get the debt under control.
But the reality is the Democrats were going to raise this issue of immigration.
So if they're going to raise an issue and force us to address it, then we have to have an alternative.
Why?
Why can't we just defeat it?
Why do we have to address it?
Because they raise it.
If they raise the issue of immigration, we can't just vote against it.
I think one of the things, unfortunately, that's happened in the past is, for example, Obamacare was raised.
Well, we did gun control.
We just voted down gun control.
But not well, we didn't vote it, not only are we voting it down, we've offered very good alternatives.
For example, one of the things that was voted down yesterday was an amendment by Senator Cruz and Senator Grassley that actually is meaningful stuff that focuses on the real problem, which is not guns.
The real problem is violence.
And we have an alternative that actually focused of course people didn't hear about this because the mainstream media won't report on it, but we actually offer some very good alternatives about increasing prosecutions for criminals that are violating the background check, existing background check laws, you know, how to strengthen our mental health systems, et cetera.
Um no one's reporting on that stuff.
So it's important to have an alternative.
And and I think unfortunately on immigration if it arises, we need to have an alternative too, because we do have things that are wrong with with the immigration system.
So what about enforcing current law as an alternative?
Well, um the problem with the current law, and I think that's uh accurate.
I mean, people have violated the current law, there's going to be a consequence for that.
You know, it's it's a misnomer to believe some people believe that if you're illegally in the country now you can never become a citizen.
That's not true.
If you're under existing law, if you are illegally here, you can become a citizen.
The law says you have to leave the country, and in ten years you can get a green card, and once you get a green card, you can become a citizen in three to five years.
And all we're saying is, okay, here's the reality.
People have screwed up in government, they haven't enforced our laws, so now we have eleven million people here, and they're not going to leave.
They've been here too long, most of them over a decade.
What do we do with them instead?
Instead of telling them to leave, which they're not going to do, what can we do to get them to come forward and identify themselves?
Uh and and and the answer is they have to undergo a background check, they have to pay a fine for what they've done wrong, they have to wait more than eleven than ten years, um, and they have to start paying taxes.
It's their legalization is not permanent.
It is a renewable legalization.
It expires in six years, so they have to go back and renew it where they have to prove that they're gainfully employed, that they're not a public charge, they don't qualify for any federal benefits, including Obamacare, no welfare, no food stamps, uh, or the alternative is to leave it the way it is now, and the way it is now is terrible.
It's just not good for anybody.
The only people benefiting from the way it is now are the people that are trafficking them uh bringing them across the border, or the people that are hiring uh labor at the expense of the American worker because they can pay these guys less.
You said something you said something key a moment ago, and I I I won't explore it, and y you said that is the Democrats propose it.
We can't just ignore it.
We have to we have to offer alternatives.
Now, uh you're you're a freshman in the Senate, so um this this is uh not a comment directed at you, but I have been, just as a commentator and an observer, I've been amazed.
Democrats propose anything, and we have to accept it.
That becomes what becomes the the news of the day, the item of the day, we somehow have to be in favor of it, but we're gonna make alternatives.
Why can't we just oppose something that they propose, such as Obamacare?
Why did we have to offer alternative?
I know you weren't there.
Why do we have to offer alternatives to what they they they are proposing things that we intrinsically disagree with?
Why can't we just say no?
Well, a couple things.
We we have opposed, for example, their infringement upon the second amendment.
On the other hand, you know, our existing laws, we have people right now that are criminals.
They're going in and trying to buy a gun, they fail the existing background check, and nobody prosecutes them.
That's a problem.
They should enforce that.
And then we had an amendment that would force them to do that.
We do have people that are mentally ill in this country that shouldn't be able, and everyone agrees with that, that that should be waste and but also what about violence?
No one's talking about violence, that all this focus on what they're using to commit the violence, and no one's asking the fundamental question of why have we become a society that where these acts of violence are happening so frequently.
Of course the answer is societal breakdown.
And there's you can't legislate that.
I mean, there's things you can do to strengthen your society, but you can't force people to be better parents or believe in God or anything like that.
Beyond that, I would say on the immigration front, we you you talk to the business community, you talk to people on our economic system.
Uh look, if I were to say to you today, and I know you're a big sports fan, so if I were to say to you today, you know, that uh, you know, we we wouldn't if someone is uh if someone can throw 99 mile an hour fastballs uh in into the strike zone consistently, you know we're going to bring them here.
I mean there's no way in the world we're not gonna bring them.
If someone is six foot eight and can, you know, dunk basketballs and never misses a twenty-foot jump shot, you know we're going to keep them.
But we're not doing that for science and technology where we're we're asking some of the bills.
Yeah, but that's not that's not that's a whole different thing than what we're talking about with illegal immigrants.
By the way, I want to give it to you to wrap up.
Well, that has to do with the immigration reform because of modernizing the system.
Look, here's the bottom line.
We're not gonna deport eleven million people.
The status quo is amnesty, and that's why we've come up with a process where these folks have to come forward, undergo a background check, pay a fine, start paying taxes, not qualify for federal benefits, and wait eleven years.
And then the only thing they get is the chance to apply for a green card.
They still have to qualify for it.
I know it's not perfect, but it's a lot better than what we have right now.
Senator Marco Rubio, Florida really, as always appreciate your time.
No, Rush, thanks for having me.
Thank you for your straightforwardness.
You bet.
I appreciate your straightforwardness.
He's a straight shooter, and we'll be back right after this.
Welcome back to one and only EIB network, the most listened to radio talk show in the country, Rush Limbaugh, the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
Marco Rubio.
I know a lot of people are hammering Senator Rubio, understandably so.
Um people are hammering Senator Rubio because they think the bill wouldn't go anywhere without a Republican in this gang of eight repelling it.
Um there are some who say that this bill wouldn't have a prayer if, for example, the front man were Senator Schumer.
And therefore, Senator Schumer, this is a rich Lowry's theory today in Politico, that Senator Schumer has uh pulled a masterful maneuver here by securing a Republican to go get what he wants, i.e., in this immigration bill.
I happen to uh like Senator Rubio very much.
He's a force of nature.
He's a force of energy, and he does folks, he is a genuine conservative and full-throatedly full heartedly wholeheartedly believes in it.
He really does.
The bill itself, however, I'm never gonna understand it.
I'm I'm never I'm never gonna understand the thinking here.
If he says that he's not motivated politically, and that's fine, but most of the Republican Party is motivated totally only by politics.
They're buying Hook Line and Sinker from the Democrats and the media.
You guys better reach out to Hispanics or you're never gonna win anything.
You better make the Hispanics like you.
So they're doing that.
Well, okay, if you do that, if everything you do is outreach to Hispanics, how do you ever tell them no?
If the objective is to make Hispanics like you, how could you turn yourself into Santa Claus?
Then how do you turn yourself into Scrooge someday when you have to?
You can't.
Also the idea that the eleven million or whatever the number who will be quote unquote legalized, but they won't be able to vote for a while.
We all know what Senator Schumer and the Democrats are going to do.
Let's say that this happens exactly as Senator Rubio spells it out.
Within two months, Senator Schumer and the Democrats are going to run to the microphones and cameras, and they're going to start tugging at people's heartstrings.
How in the world can we be so cruel to not let them vote?
We've just legalized them.
We've just welcomed them to our country.
We've just created for them a pathway to citizenship.
They're paying taxes and they're working.
It's unconscionable, they can't vote.
And voila, they'll be able to vote.
And then the fact that 70% of them vote Democrat becomes relevant.
The fact that after the 86 there's there's no doubt there's a correlation.
86 Amnesty and the Republican Party lost California.
Some of you are not old enough to recall it.
The Republican Party used to own California.
The Republican Party used to define it.
Politically used to own it, very close to it.
86 amnesty was the beginning of the end, and it's gone now.
It's literally gone.
Republicans are simply outnumbered.
It can be birth, it could be any number of things, but regard they are.
And there are legitimate fears that the same thing is going to happen to the country.
That Republicans, conservatives are going to end up just being unnumbered, regardless of the birth rate.
Just it's mathematics.
It's not even ideology or politics, just mathematics.
And there are people scratching their heads or looking at the Republican leadership.
Why in the world?
And it goes to the thing I was asking him about.
Why Democrats propose something?
Why do we have to accept it and then offer alternatives?
Why can't we just say no?
Why can't we just oppose it?
What would have happened if we really tried to oppose Obamacare?
I mean, we oppose their gun control efforts.
We'd, you know, we and the NRA does that, not the Republican Party.
The NRA does that.
But we get to the point that they have the efforts they make, only 4% of the American people support gun control that Obama wants, only 4% support immigration the way Obama wants.
I mean, the Republican Party is sitting on two gold mines here.
They're sitting on two great tremendous opportunities.
95, 96% of the American people oppose path to citizenship, amnesty or what have you.
The Republican Party sitting on a golden opportunity to define itself, to demark itself, to contrast itself with the Democrat Party, with 96% of the people already on their side before they do anything.
All they've got to do is agree with what 96% of the people already think.
And instead, the Republican leadership has bought into the idea.
And by the way, this is not an anti-Hispanic point of view at all.
I mean people that vote Democrat, I don't care who they are, they vote Democrat.
Why in the world do you think you're going to Chuck Schumer wants something.
He wants it so bad he can taste it.
So why should we?
What what?
I don't get it.
I'm never agree with Chuck Schumer on anything.
Why should I on this?
The Democrats are salivating over this, just like they're salivating on gun control.
And the answer is I was told Tuesday night, we're never going to win unless we reach out to the Hispanics.
Never going to win another election if we don't reach out to the Hispanics.
Well, there's 7% of the electorate.
Yeah, but that's going to grow, Rush, that number's going to grow.
Well, but they're only seven percent.
Why?
People just don't understand.
They look at the Republican leadership and do not understand.
Now you get Senator Jeff Sessions warning that the Senate immigration reform bill is going to have devastating effects on the U.S. job market and our economic outlook.
Because Senator Sessions, a Republican from Alabama, says that the immigration reform bill opens up citizenship to recent arrivals, and millions who've overstayed their visas.
It even opens up citizenship to those who've been deported from the country, meaning they can qualify.
The bill would, because of that, because of the opening up of citizenship.
The bill would thus increase the unfunded liability of Obamacare by two trillion dollars and of Medicare and Social Security by two and a half trillion dollars because all of these people will qualify as being covered by Obamacare.
Senator Rubio said we would never keep somebody throw the baseball 99 miles an hour out of the country.
True.
New York Yankees would be the first person, first team trying to get whoever that would be.
But that's not who we're talking about here.
That kind of immigration, we do need to increase.
Our immigration system is so whacked, those are the people who are limited.
What is that?
The H1B visa or what it is, whatever it is.
The um the visas for the hit the equivalent of the guy that can throw a 99 mile an hour fastball or the the high-tech geniuses.
The high tech grads, those are the guys, those are the people having trouble getting in.
That's where the relaxation needs to be taking place.
But you can't discount the role of big business.
Big business is seeing a huge pool of unskilled and therefore cheap labor.
In bad questionable economic times.
So there are a number of different forces arrayed here.
And the forces arrayed to oppose this on ideological grounds seem to be vastly outnumbered and overwhelmed.
And the fact that what happened to California could happen to the country doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people.
Who cares if they're Republicans or Democrats?
I don't care what it is.
What's the difference anyway?
We just we just need these low-skilled workers, or we need this, or whatever is the reason they support it.
Outreach to Hispanics so they don't hate us, so they don't dislike us.
The Republican Party has made up a lot of people who think that way as well.
Take a brief time out.
We'll come back and get your phone calls in on this, as promised.
So sit tight.
Don't go away.
Okay, we are back at the phones now.
Great to have you here, Rush Limbaugh to Melbourne, Florida.
This is Bruce, and welcome, sir.
Thank you very much, Mr. Limbaugh.
It's a pleasure to talk with you.
I uh have an opinion as Marco Rubio is my senator.
I think this gang of eight are just giving us fluff and a sham of a proposal.
If you look at the eleven to fifteen million illegal aliens in this country, they're under the radar.
And the way I see it is the vast majority will still want to stay under their uh they're gonna lose a lot of their benefits, uh, especially health care.
They're going to have to pay income tax.
Well, they have to do that now.
They're going to get minimum wage.
That means for the employers, they're going to cut back on their manpower.
So it's best that I think that a lot of these illegals, they're gonna want to stay under the radar.
Well, I haven't heard that one before.
I think if they're here and working, other than part of the cash economy, they've got to be paying taxes.
Their social security is being withheld if they're if they're gainfully employed.
So that wouldn't change.
Um you think they're not even gonna want to be found.
You don't think you're gonna want to become citizens at all.
No no benefit for that.
Well, I I would see uh why would they want to pay federal income tax?
I know you mentioned Social Security, but a factual uh scenario is a lot of the money that they're making here in the United States does go back to where their nation of origin is.
And if you look, the number two sustaining of the Mexican economy is money that is sent back by illegals into their homeland.
That's a fact.
Tourism is still number one.
Their industrial complex is rising.
So the money that they would now have to spend on income tax would be something that they would not be sending back to uh to the homeland.
Second off, most of them can go to the emergency room right now under the radar.
I am a physician who's retired and they can get all the health care needs that they want walk out of the hospital.
If they have to register and now have find themselves that they're going to be paying out of pocket, even their share under Obamacare, which according to Rubio and a gang of eight, they're not going to be entitled to, again, there's not an incentive for them to really go ahead and do this.
And I just can't see the machinations being available to really the problem is the the the vast majority of them aren't going to be paying any income taxes at all.
They're going to benefit from the earned income tax credit.
They'll get money back.
The bottom 50% of this country aren't paying any income tax anyway.
And they would certainly qualify in that category.
Well, folks, look, whether they take the opportunity to become citizens right off the bat or want to stay hidden, to me, I think misses the point of this.
Once there is amnesty, what amnesty is, is a forgivance.
And once there is that, once there is amnesty, the rest of the liberal agenda is guaranteed, regardless of whether these people seek citizenship or not.
They're going to qualify for free health care or Obamacare anyway, because whether they take the path or not, Bruce, the pathway to citizenship will be open to them.
And as Senator Sessions says, after having looked at the bill, once the pathway to citizenship is open, even to people who have been deported, they thus qualify for Obamacare and a number of other things.
The Democrat getting amnesty is the key here.
at this politically in terms of the uh the Democrats sewing it up Chris in Charleston South Carolina you're next.
Welcome to the program sir.
Thank you, Rush Mega 247 Ditto.
Appreciate that I yeah I have some points that I'd like to make and listening to Marco Rubio I I it felt to me like a punch to my gut what I was hearing.
If my American citizenship is to feel like something that is valuable then I don't feel that it can be something that can just be purchased by paying a fine or something that is really being stolen and just giving away because laws are hard to enforce.
My whole life I've felt like we lived in a nation of laws, and when someone steals something that's valuable and we find them, we don't let them keep it just because they like it or because they've gotten used to it.
And we already have laws.
I don't have any faith that this new set isn't just the same walk down the same road, and it's the same sham that the Democrats always promise.
So you don't think there's going to be any enforcement of the law is basically what you're saying.
Why?
Why would I?
There isn't now Mr. Rubio already admits that it's a broken system.
They also he claims he claims that if the bill isn't enforced that it falls apart he claims he's got that agreement but what okay why are immigration laws already not being enforced why were Before the sequester happened, why were a bunch of inmates who were to be deported just released?
Well, the reason that the law isn't being enforced now is sociological and political.
Uh it would just be mean.
It would be cold hearted to enforce the law.
The way the thinking goes is that uh these people, they're risking everything.
Come to America.
They want to come and they want to be Americans.
They want to be part of greatest country on it.
And who are we to turn them away?
And who are we to deny them?
Why should we as Americans not want people to come here and be Americans?
So enforcing the law is a cruel thing.
The way the left looks at it.
Enforcing the law, very, very cruel, mean spirited.
I've talked to a bunch of celebrity liberals.
If they want to come here, if they're willing to risk everything to come here, I don't think they should be turned away.
I would love to give you the names.
I don't have permission.
You wouldn't believe the number.
By the way, a reminder, programming note, I have to be away tomorrow to attend a funeral and memorial service.
So we've got Mark Stein coming in doing open line Friday tomorrow.
And uh I'll be back on Monday.
I just wanted to mention that while I had a few moments here.
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