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July 20, 2012 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 20, 2012, Friday, Hour #3
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Yes, America's Anchorman is away.
And this is your undocumented anchorman, Mark Stein, sitting in.
Honored to be here.
No supporting paperwork whatsoever, but I am a fully credentialed Canadian superhero.
In my spare time, I like to dress up in my superhero suit and fly around as Mooseboy.
Mooseboy and my superhero partner, Beaver Girl.
We fly around Canada and we solve all kinds of crimes.
We're talking on today, we've been talking about the events last night at the movie screening in Aurora, Colorado.
Kerry Pickett has a great list in the Washington Times.
I said earlier, the definition of a nanosecond is the time gap between an atrocity, a mass murder by some individual psycho and the point at which the media will blame it on the Tea Party.
That's the new definition of a nanosecond.
The guy, remember, she's got a great list of it at the Washington Times, all the times this has happened.
February 2010, man flies plane into IRS office in Texas, suggesting in the New York Times whether, according to the New York Times quote, does this mean more than a few Tea Partiers are unhinged.
In fact, the guy who did this in his manifesto on the internet, he compared communism favorably to capitalism.
Do you remember the Times Square bomber?
This was a guy who attempted to blow up Times Square.
Mayor Bloomberg, the guy calling for gun control now, Mayor Bloomberg announced that the Times Square bomber was most probably someone objecting to Obamacare.
In fact, of course, it turned out to be the usual Jihad boy, in fact, who'd been fallen behind on his house payments and had gone back to Pakistan because he'd gone back to Pakistan to train in a camp for jihad.
So the Gabby Gifford shooting was a guy called Jared Lochner, who was crazy, had no political motive.
But it's always blamed on the Tea Party.
You know who else blames things on the Tree Party, by the way?
If you're wondering about the connection between the Tea Party and the Batman movie, long before Rush came along and said anything about Batman movie, Morgan Freeman, who plays one of the key characters in Batman, I mentioned just a few moments ago, Lucius Fox, who's basically the wise counselor to Bruce Wayne.
Morgan Freeman does his usual shtick.
But Morgan Freeman, America's wise guy, the guy that you, whenever you need an older, wiser man to be the conscience of the movie, or whether you actually want him to play God, you get Morgan Freeman to do it.
Morgan Freeman said the Tea Party are racist.
First connection between the Batman franchise and the Tea Party was made by Morgan Freeman, a mainstay of the series, who denounced the Tea Party as racist and has now given a million dollars to the Obama campaign.
By the way, I don't want to make it sound like I'm anti-Batman.
I was in Chicago a couple of years ago and ran into, in Obama's favorite restaurant, in fact, happened to run into Michael Kane, who plays Alfred the Butler in the movies, and Michael's lovely wife, Shakira, and had a very pleasant time there.
So I'm fully on board with the Batman franchise, got no problem with it.
As I said, I have a marginal preference for the music in the 1960s one, but I'm not anti-Batman.
But the idea that simply discussing Batman, the idea that a guy who goes and guns down the movie theater audience at a Batman screening is any part of the political discourse in this country is insane.
This guy who did it is a mass murderer.
Why can't we talk about things like that now?
If you look at the effect, passive language of both Obama's and Romney's statements, oh, this is a tragedy, a tragedy.
A tragedy is something that happens to you.
A tragedy is when you've got your whole life ahead of you and a tsunami sweeps in and washes you out to sea.
When a guy walks into a movie theater and guns you down, that is an act of evil for which he is responsible.
And the idea that somehow it's connected to democratic politics in a two-party system, to make that argument, for the left to make that argument, is so damaging to political discourse in this country because it's binding politics to violence.
It's saying, no, you can't say this.
No, you can't say this.
They do this in Europe all the time.
They've done that with the guy in Norway when he went berserk.
They attempted that the left attempted to say, well, we shouldn't be able to talk about certain things.
Because this guy killed people, you shouldn't be able to talk about immigration.
You shouldn't be able to talk about multiculturalism.
You shouldn't be able to, when you can't talk about anything, you're left with nothing but blowing stuff up, which is the way it is in dictatorships.
The left should be ashamed at the way it attempts to politicize these things.
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We had an in-depth conversation, probably more in-depth than most of our 600 affiliates cared for, on Canadian superheroes.
We probably lost, I would say, maybe 120 affiliates in the course of that discussion of Canadian superheroes.
They probably said, they probably said, well, no, it's almost, yes, that was true.
We lost, when I was talking about cricket, that was the Australian guy, wasn't it, Mike?
He was talking about the ashes.
England versus Australia at the ashes.
I could feel radios being people are saying, oh, do you think there's reruns of Janine Garoffilo's old show on Air America on the other side?
We're not going to talk about cricket, but anything this side of cricket, you can talk about.
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I'll tell you what I'll talk about, snow globes.
You know, the very first time I did this show, I'd just flown in from Australia via New Zealand, and I was changing planes at Wellington, and I had an hour to kill in the airport, and I went in, I picked up a snow globe, a little attractive New Zealand snow globe of sheep with you shake it up and little snowflakes start to fall on the attractive New Zealand sheep.
And I went to pay for it, and it was whatever it was, 12 bucks or whatever.
And just as she'd finished running up the credit card thing, she said, oh, wait a minute, are you flying to the United States?
Because that very day, the Department of Homeland Security had banned snow globes from being taken aboard an American airliner.
It was some kind of response to some terrorist plot, I think, arising out of Heathrow.
I could have taken that snow globe of the New Zealand sheep into the men's room at Wellington Airport and weaponized the snow globe.
I could have opened the glass, removed the liquid in there, replaced it with some kind of weaponized liquid, sealed it up and taken down the airliner.
So I could fly, I was free To fly with my snow globe from Moscow to Tokyo, from Beijing to Rio de Janeiro, from Copenhagen to Cape Town.
I could fly anywhere with my snow globe, but not to the United States of America.
Well, the TSA has now announced that it is putting in procedures to make it possible for law-abiding citizens to take snow globes on American airliners in the United States.
The snow globe will have to fit in your 311 bag.
In other words, it will have to be part of your liquids.
It has to be in the same bag as all your other gels.
So you have to keep it in, you know, whatever bag you keep all your other liquids and lubricants and metrosexual moisturizers in.
You have to be able to get your snow globe into the 311 bag.
But snow globes, you're now free, free at last, free at last, to carry a snow globe onto an American airline.
That's coming this summer.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, though, no reprieve for kinder eggs.
I mentioned this a couple of years ago, around about Easter.
My kids were coming across the Quebec-Vermont border, and they were asked by the border patrol officers, by the Customs and Border Protection, whether they had any kinder chocolate eggs on them.
And being law-abiding persons, they said yes, they had.
And those eggs were confiscated because there's a little toy in the egg.
And it's safe.
It's perfectly safe for Canadians.
It's perfectly safe for Mexicans.
It's perfectly safe for Europeans.
It's perfectly safe for Africans.
Perfectly safe for Indians, perfectly safe for Australians.
But Americans cannot be trusted with kinder chocolate eggs because they could start to bite into the chocolate and then choke on the toy.
This doesn't happen in Mexico.
It doesn't happen.
It could happen here, though.
So they've got Customs and Border Protection, United States Department of Agriculture, and some other government department.
I know this because I got the letter from them.
I got like a 40-page document from them a couple of days after my eggs were confiscated saying that my kinder eggs were being held in a secure facility in Buffalo.
And that if I wanted to contest the case, I could do so, but I had to fill in 40 pages of paperwork and I'd have to pay $600 or something to continue storing three bucks worth of Kinder Surprise chocolate eggs.
My boy, my youngest boy, who was, I think at that time he was nine, he actually had the best answer to this.
He said to the guard, well, if it's dangerous to have these eggs, why don't you open the chocolate egg and you hold the toy while I eat the chocolate and then give me back the toy so I can take it back to New Hampshire with me.
But the Customs and Border Protection guy then warned him that he was not to contest the Homeland Security procedures of the United States.
Now it has happened again.
Chris Sweeney, and this turns out to be a gay couple, because all I gather, because the language is Chris Sweeney and his husband, Chris Sweeney and his husband, this is how homophobic, by the way, national security is in the United States.
They're now confiscating the kinder eggs of gay couples.
Chris Sweeney and his husband were driving home to Seattle after a recent trip to Vancouver when they were stopped at the border for more than two hours and threatened with thousands of dollars of fines for dangerous contraband in the trunk of their car.
Their suspicious cargo, half a dozen Kinder Surprise chocolate eggs, a childhood favorite in Canada, but an illegal choking hazard in the United States.
Sweeney said a border guard told him and his husband that they could be fined $2,500 per egg.
They waited more than two hours, terrified that they were going to be fined $15,000 for six kinder eggs.
Roughly 60,000 kinder eggs were seized last year by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
I don't know whether this is just gay couples' kinder eggs.
I mean, it's not clear to me that if, for example, you had Major Hassan, if he had attempted to cross at the Seattle port of entry after a trip to Vancouver, if Major Hassan had happened to cross the United States border with a kinder egg, with a kinder egg with an aliu Akbar written on the wrapper, whether Major Hassan would have managed to get through.
But 60,000 kinder eggs, possibly not all seized from gay couples, were seized by United States Customs and Border Protection last year.
You are free in so many respects.
Envy of the world, beacon of liberty, but you cannot be trusted with a kinder egg.
You know, I think this whole, by the way, to go back to the TSA and snow globes, I think this whole national security problem, if you get sick of the lines at the airports and all the rest of it, I think this whole national security problem, because they can track kinder eggs, it's like the panty bomber.
The panty bomber was on the no-fly list or the standby list for the no-fly list or whatever.
His father had fingered him to the CIA, but they still let him get on the plane.
If that panty bomber had had a kinder egg, he would never have got on the plane.
All we need to do is send an unmanned drone to bomb Waziristan, carpet bomb Waziristan and Yemen with kinder eggs.
And customs and border protection of the United States will be right on it immediately.
No terrorists will get through.
They'll be kinder eggs.
They'll have their underpants wired.
They'll have the bomb in there.
But somehow some little kinder egg will have managed to get into there, into the gusset of their underwear.
And they will never get through.
They'll never get on the plane.
Customs and border protection, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, you've got a kinder egg.
You can't get a kinder egg into this country.
Not even gay couples.
Obama's evolution.
Obama, who famously evolved, his position on gayness evolved, but it didn't evolve to permit gay Americans to go around with kinder eggs.
He isn't going to evolve that far.
No way, no how.
He's not going to evolve.
His position on gayness is not going to evolve to let gay American couples bring back their gay kinder eggs from Canada, the land of gay kinder eggs.
But there are, so there is, I think, a national security issue here.
That if we just carpet bomb an unmanned drone dropping kinder eggs all over Waziristan, all over Yemen, all over Somalia, we will, boom, that's it.
The war on terror is over.
Nobody with a kinder egg is going to get into the United States.
This land is a kindergarten, it's a fruited plane, but it's not a kinder eggplane, so it's safe from that.
Snow globes, okay.
Snow globes in your 311, but no kinder eggs.
That's your security update: 1-800-282-2882.
Overline Friday continues after this.
Mark Stein in Infra Rush, let's go to Sue in Northern California.
It's an undisclosed location in Northern California.
We're not going to get any more specific than that, but great to have you with us on the show, Sue.
Good morning.
Thank you for taking my call.
I wanted to talk about social justice and how it's absolutely tearing this country apart.
We should be focusing on equal justice under, you know, in our judicial system with our politicians and the media.
And they just, they won't do it.
Well, let's just stop there a moment, Sue, because you said equal justice.
I think we should be focusing on justice.
Justice?
Justice is a great word.
And it gets less great when you start putting stupid qualifiers in front of it.
The more so-called social justice you have, the less actual justice you have.
That is simply a fact.
If you've got a real justice system, you don't need to put any qualifying words in front of it.
And whenever you hear the word social justice, which you do, you hear it from like the mainline Protestant churches.
They're always going on about social justice.
Community organizers are always going on about social justice.
It's a wicked term because it actually strikes at the heart of justice, which is blind.
A real justice system.
It's because you create victims.
And when you create victims, you create a perpetrator.
And that's exactly like the media this morning.
Shame on George Stepanopoulos and Brian Ross for trying to vilify or create a false perpetrator with conservatives.
Well, because they see it as they see it, Sue, when you look at it through a social justice prism, there are approved identity groups.
So, for example, social justice means that a gay can be the victim of a hate crime or a Muslim can be the victim of a hate crime or whatever.
And you say it creates victims.
It also creates massive statism because you need a huge government.
The government is the only legitimate arbiter of the relationships between all these approved identity groups.
So social justice, I think, one of the great wicked things about it is it tends to be a very good rational.
Everybody who talks about social justice, in the end, means bigger government and more state control, Sue.
Ties in with all the lawsuits that the government have been hitting the corporations up with and the banks and the payout for, you know, evil loans to poor people.
They were made victims.
Okay, pay $5 billion and now everything's okay.
Yeah, that money's going to the government.
Yeah.
But that's why whenever, I mean, I think the minute somebody starts to use the term, I think we, social justice is one of those terms.
There's a lot of words that conservatives let liberals steal away from them, including liberalism apart from anything else, because there's nothing liberal about liberalism.
It's extremely coercive and unpleasant.
And social justice, justice is one of those words.
Justice does not need qualifiers.
And the minute you put words like social in front of it, you're saying you're arguing for statism.
You're arguing for treating not as people, as individuals equal before the law, but individuals whose rights depend on which of these preferred identity groups they fall into.
Are you a transgendered person?
Are you a Hispanic person?
Are you a whatever?
And that's the great wickedness of social justice.
Thanks for reminding me of that phrase, by the way, Sue.
It's distressing to me.
Used to hear it a lot at left-wing campuses in Canada and the United Kingdom and Europe.
And it's worrying to me that you hear it now from very mainstream figures here in the United States.
Social justice is not a good phrase, and you should be wary of anybody who uses it.
Thank you to Sue in California for that.
Open Line Friday on the Excellence in Broadcasting Network.
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Mr. Snerdley reminded me that when I was going on about the zealots of Homeland Security seizing 60,000 kinderegs, attempting that people were attempting to bring in, mainly from Canada, as I understand it, mine were held at a secure facility in Buffalo.
I don't know whether the others are being held there, these 60,000, but the entire Buffalo economy is probably dependent now on the great kinder egg storage facility there.
Someone will eventually break.
If they were remaking Goldfinger, remember Goldfinger, where they attempt to do the big heist at Fort Knox.
If they were doing that now, they do a big heist at the Kinderegg facility at Buffalo.
It's the world's largest storage facility for kinder eggs, and your tax dealers are paying for it.
Jonah Falcon, 41.
A man known for his unusually large penis, was stopped by airport security at San Francisco International last week after they questioned him about the bulge in his pants.
He was returning from a trip in San Francisco on July the 9th when he was stopped at security by TSA agents who spotted something out of the ordinary hanging to the left in his pants.
This apparently is Mr. Jonah Falcons.
He's been in documentaries about men with large penises, but his penis is non-compliant with current TSA rules.
Apparently, it's like the amount of, you know, whatever you, the three fluid ounces of liquids you're like, apparently there's a maximum penis size or something now.
I'm just telling this because like Rush listeners are renowned for this.
So if you're going to the airport, this might be an issue for you.
You've got to put your penis in the check baggage now because if it's not compliant with TSA regulations.
And it's like, well, you know, you can't bring it on in the carry-on.
That's the point.
You've got to put it in the hold.
This is he was very sporting about it, Jonah Falcon.
But apparently this is the TSA agent's new thing.
Is that a kinder egg in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?
This guy apparently has got a penis the size of a kinder egg and Transport Security Administration right on top of it.
They stopped, they patted him down, they checked the area around it.
They also wiped his hands to check for explosive powder.
Apparently they're concerned that Jonah Falcon might have weaponized his penis.
So it's not, yeah, you don't want to be around.
When the world's largest penis goes off, you don't want to be in the vicinity.
So they're right.
They're right to be, you know, they're right to be taking care of this kind of thing.
So it's not just kinder eggs.
I don't want to give the impression that the national security of the United States is entirely dependent on the 60,000 Kinder Eggs they seem.
They're also issuing guidelines on maximum penis size.
So the Republic can sleep easy, knowing that large penises are not going to enter the United States of America.
If you'll forgive the expression.
I feel safe.
I shall certainly sleep tonight much more easily, knowing that.
Jonah Falcon.
Jonah Falcon, he has, I don't believe it.
You know, when I used to be a disc jockey, the rock and roll guys were renowned for when they went through airport security.
It was all a lot easier in those days.
And they all wore the tight leather trout.
You remember Rod Stewart in the tight leather trousers?
If you want my buddy and you think I'm sexy, he just had, he didn't have any, he just had a kinder egg.
He had a kinder egg in his, kept a kinder egg in his trout in his tight leather trousers.
They all did, all the rock guys.
Everybody knows that.
But this guy, anyway, they were concerned and they decided that they were going to pat him down and check that there was nothing in there that could cause any difficulties.
Let's go to Susan in High Point, North Carolina.
Susan, you're live on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Great to have you with us.
Thank you so much, Mark.
I just wanted to say that I'm calling about the Aurora atrocity, and I feel like the American people deserve some consistency during times like this, coming from our leadership.
And what I'm trying to say is, I believe we need to have the Obama administration define for us what their definition of terror is.
Because this morning, during Obama's speech, he mentioned award care.
He said something to the effect of the people in Aurora were terrorized.
And, you know, I think back to what happened back at Fort Hood and how that word seemed to be faux pas.
And yeah, I just think that there needs to be some consistency.
Maybe it was a mispeak on his part.
You know, I know he's been trying to get off his teleprompters.
So maybe he just wasn't thinking before he was speaking if he was not using a teleprompter.
But I, you know, I think that we either need to not be allowed to say that word.
And of course, I'm all for free speech.
But, you know, it's kind of like top-down leadership.
You know, what is it?
Is it sure or is it not?
Well, the point about terrorism is that it makes civilians a target.
People were talking about this about Assad's defense minister getting blown up in Syria and his brother-in-law getting blown up in Syria.
Terrorism targets people who have nothing to do with whatever your beef is.
Terrorism targets the people on the bus.
Terrorism targets the people who are going to work in their office in a skyscraper.
And in that sense, this is an act of terror in the sense that people in that movie theater, because that's the other definition of terrorism.
It's what happens when the fragile civilization in which we all live crumbles and you're suddenly in a primal environment where you went to a normal social occasion, a motion picture at your local theater, and suddenly there's a guy shooting at you and killing your friends and neighbors.
And that is terrifying.
But you're right to draw attention to the fact that there is a slight difference here, that when something like the Major Hassan thing happens, they're very keen to say, this is not terrorist.
He's not a terrorist, by which they mean he's not a card-carrying member of al-Qaeda, because Al-Qaeda doesn't have card-carrying members.
It's not like the KGB where you had some control guy that you had to go and meet on a park bench next to the third rock next to the tree in Washington, D.C., and your control guy at the Soviet embassy reported back to Moscow.
There's no card-carrying members.
Jihad is essentially perpetrated by freelance adherents of a global ideology.
And so you're not going to find an al-Qaeda union card in the guy's pocket.
So every time they do that, they're actually trying to mislead you and they're trying to distract you from what the story is in the case of Major Hood.
They're trying to say, he's just a one-off.
He's just isolated.
Pay no attention to anything he may have written, anything he may have said.
There is no broader context to this man's act.
There were lots of broader contexts.
He was a guy, I think he was Lebanese or Palestinian in origin, but he wore the shalwah Kamish that is a sign of South Asians, of Pakistanis, for example.
So he was consciously choosing to identify with certain groups.
But they said, oh, no, no, this means nothing.
Don't pay any attention to him.
He's just one guy, one lone crazy, one lone wolf.
Lone wolf was the phrase they were using.
They're all lone wolves.
The Pantywamp bombers are a lone wolf.
The Times Square bombers are lone wolf.
They all belong to the amalgamated union of lone wolves.
But every time any of that happens, these guys insist he's a lone wolf.
There's no broader context.
Every time it is a genuine lone wolf, like this fella, a PhD candidate, neurosciences, University of Colorado, and he goes down and he kills a bunch of people.
It's the exact opposite.
It's the rush to put it in a broader context.
What radio shows did he listen to?
What political parties did he support?
What mass movements did he get?
Did he ever attend a Tea Party rally?
Is he on a Tea Party?
It's the complete opposite.
When a guy stands on a table and starts firing and he yells Allahu Akbar, the media run in one direction.
When a guy goes to a movie theater and he guns down his fellow American citizens, his friends and neighbors, people who live in the same town, the media run in the opposite direction.
They want to pin the tail.
They want to pin that act on a particular political philosophy in this country.
When Major Hassan is screaming Allahu Akbar, they want to disconnect it from any kind of broader ideology or philosophy.
So thank you for your call, Susan.
And you're right, there is a certain inconsistency there.
Mark Stein in Farash, Open Line Friday continues in just a moment.
Mark Stein in Farush on the EIB network.
Rush returns Monday.
I mentioned earlier this fellow who blew up a bus full of Israeli tourists and killed five in Bulgaria on Wednesday, Mehdi Ghazali.
He was a Swedish national who was captured during the battle at Tora Bora in Afghanistan in 2001, handed over to the U.S. military and wound up at Guantanamo Bay.
Now, again, this gets to the difference between how we treat people.
This fella who guns down all these people at a movie house, he's either going to die or he's going to be in jail until he dies.
He's either going to be executed or he's going to be in jail until he dies.
But if you're captured battling Western soldiers at Tora Bora, Afghanistan, and you wind up at Guantanamo Bay, it's a whole other story.
Mehdi Ghazali, his lawyers said, oh, no, this isn't a vicious jihadist killer.
He's just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So he was just, you know, he got mixed up with falling in with the wrong crowd when he was trying to find his way back to his madrasa in Pakistan.
This was the story.
So he gets sprung from Gitmo.
He becomes a big hero.
The Swedish prime minister, Goran Person, pleads for him to be released.
The Swedish newspaper Dargens Nieta calls him a guy with rock star status.
And so, of course, he gets released from Gitmo and he goes back.
And the first thing he does when he goes back is he rejoins the jihad.
And he's now killed five Israeli tourists and perhaps as many as eight in Bulgaria.
There's two different standards here.
Why do we not treat people who are waging war against the United States the way we treat people who open fire at Colorado movie theaters?
It's an interesting question.
Where are we going now, Mr. Snerdley?
Is it to Tim?
Tim in Salem, Oregon.
Tim, you're live in the Rush Limbaugh show.
Thanks for joining us.
Mark, how do you think the gun control lobby and the NRA will respond to the shooting in Colorado?
I'm not sure about that.
The interesting thing here, if I were the NRA, for example, I think I would actually step back a bit until the more details emerge.
This guy is not a typical, despite Brian Ross's best efforts, this guy is not a typical angry white male.
He looks like a 24-year-old comic book nerd, and he's in the neurosciences program, and he was a PhD candidate.
So the idea that this is, you know, the way it was with the Washington sniper, where until it turns out that it's the actual perpetrators were caught, everyone was saying it was an angry white male, probably a lone man, a loner who was into hunting, into guns, and all the rest of it.
It turned out to be something entirely different.
So I don't think the NRA needs to respond to it.
I mean, the Twitter guys are saying the NRA are a terrorist organization.
Piers Morgan is saying we need gun control, we need to ban guns.
But if I was the NRA, that, by the way, is going nowhere.
Democrats only mention this issue at the time of these shootings because they know that otherwise it's a political loser for them, Tim.
Mark, I don't know if you know that Oregon is an open carry state.
When do you think citizens will start taking action to protect others?
Yeah, and that's the point I made earlier, that I think in Colorado, which isn't which isn't an open carry state, and in fact in movie theatres, I believe some, I don't know whether this movie chain does, but certainly some movie chains say you're not allowed to bring guns into the theater.
And whether or not that's a good idea.
What it means is that when a guy opens fire, there's nobody there to take down the shooter.
That's the difference between this and the thing at the Appalachian Law School in West Virginia, where these stories come up every so often.
And the only reason we remember some of them and we don't remember others is because at some of them, the guy shoots one person, two people, three people, and then he gets pinned down because there's some guys there who are also carrying guns who are able to stop his shooting rambage.
Otherwise, as in this instance, the guy is just free to shoot as many people as he wants to.
Hey, Tim, you still there?
Yes, I am.
Tim.
Yeah, that's the issue.
I mean, there's a difference in states.
And I'm sure that this would have gone differently in other states.
But the reality is that many, many places, even within states that now allow concealed carry and all the rest of it, many of them, they still have restrictions, private shopping malls, you can't do this, you can't do that, and all the rest of it.
And what makes the difference on these occasions is whether there is somebody on the scene who is that's basically the story of every crime.
Is there somebody on the scene who can stop the crime before it's finished?
And the more gun control you have, the less likelihood there is that there's going to be anybody there who'll be able to take down the guy until he's finished doing what he wants to do, Tim.
Do you think more people will carry guns?
Well, I think it's interesting to me, for example, that in the immediate months after 9-11, gun control, gun sales went up.
And I think that's a reasonable response.
Nobody knew what was going to happen, but people understood that the lesson of 9-11 that we don't learn is that that was the perfect, apart from anything else, that was the perfect gun control environment.
It was one of the first places in the United States where you couldn't take a gun was on a plane.
Harry Connick Jr. got arrested for it, accidentally trying to take a gun on a plane.
And so it's like the perfect liberal environment.
You've got to do everything you've told.
You've got to follow, you've got to, every aspect of your life on that plane is regulated.
And in the end, in the end, when something went down, big government wasn't up there on the plane with you.
And people were left to their own devices.
And the Flight 93 guys, the lesson of that is the Flight 93 guys, their government failed them, and they saved the day.
And that is a good, broad lesson that we have forgotten from those days.
That what makes the difference at these events, what makes the difference at these events, is whether there are alert, self-reliant citizens who are able to stop the guy before he can accomplish the scale of the atrocity that he has in mind.
And that is why it is important that we have concealed carry laws, and that is why it is important that citizens understand that ultimately when something like this goes down, the big government nanny state, Nanny Bloomberg, and all the other big nannies of big government, they're not sitting there in the movie theater next to you.
Thanks for your call, Tim.
More to come.
12 dead and 71 injured is the current count from the attack on the movie theatre in Colorado.
James Holmes is in custody, and there will be more to come throughout the weekend.
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