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May 22, 2012 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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May 22, 2012, Tuesday, Hour #2
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It's hour number two of three in the usual drill.
And of course, the usual drill is to have Rush actually here, and I'm glad to tell you that tomorrow he will be just a one-day respite.
Well, not even a respite.
He's working hard doing some good hearted charitable stuff and be back to tell you about that tomorrow.
In the meantime, we're together, and I am thrilled.
All right, I have a request for you, and then the premise that I have uh have promised you.
Uh here's the request so that Allie can field those over there in the next room and and we can get some folks lined up with uh let's let's all learn something together, shall we?
The premise I'm gonna lay out is is the dump Biden premise.
Something that virtually everyone thought was a zero chance is now something that some people think is a small chance.
And and that's that's moving the ball down the field a little bit.
So I'll I'll do that in just a second.
But first, President Obama has made it clear that the Bane Capital bludgeon, that the Bane Capital weapon, using that arrow in his meager quiver, is something he's going to come back to again and again and again.
President Obama is going to seek to wrap Bain Capital around Mitt Romney's neck in the hope that it will sink him.
I I don't believe that it will.
I all I mean, does class envy work?
Does class warfare work?
Yeah, up to a point.
But I think that this is going to be one of those things that Governor Romney can just take a little bit of time, and it doesn't take a whole lot of time, to say, here's what venture capitalists do.
Here's what Bain Capital did.
It was a necessary function in a free market economy.
So since Governor Romney is tasked with doing that, I would like to ask some of you who might be in that industry.
I mean, I could do it, and that's lovely.
I mean, I know the issue, but I'd like it to be first person, and I'd like it to be first hand.
So let me grab a hold of some of you in the venture capital world, if you would please.
Hop on the line, 1-800-282-2882, and do us the great honor of telling us what you do.
Tell us why you are not the devil incarnate for going through the free marketplace and finding an occasional business here, an occasional business there that might need to close, so that others may open.
A job that might need to be lost, so that others may be gained.
You know what this is?
It goes back to what I talked about last hour.
It is the equality fetish.
All businesses have an equal right to succeed.
No, they don't.
All jobs have an equal right to exist.
No, they don't.
In a free market, some businesses will fail, some jobs will be lost.
But if the marketplace is allowed to work, the business that closes today learns a lesson and resurfaces as a business that will do better tomorrow.
And a business that closes today and at which twenty or two hundred twenty people lose jobs, you bet that's a bummer.
But there's a reason that happened.
A free market reason that happened.
And somebody somewhere is gonna say, Wow, that's if it's a company that does X or Y or Z, somebody's gonna do it better, hire those people who know how to do that, or maybe those people had jobs, you know, to use the the buggy whip analogy or whatever else.
Maybe there just wasn't a market for what they do anymore.
So they broaden themselves, train themselves, and go get jobs that they can actually keep for the ensuing decades.
The marketplace works, and it is not to be feared.
So, venture capitalist people, please.
We'd like to have a little bit of testimony from you.
1-800-282-2882.
Okay?
Okay.
Now, while you folks uh gather your thoughts, let me share some of mine.
My Dallas Morning News column will run uh tomorrow.
You can go to Dallas News.com slash opinion, Dallas News.com slash opinion.
Look at past stuff I've done if you care.
Uh but that'll be in there tomorrow.
It's it's tomorrow's column.
And if I'm doing a segment of uh of shameless plugs, uh a lot of the stuff uh you can always find in my world on Twitter, uh, Twitter at Mark Davis, M-A-R-K-D-A-V-I-S.
Visit early and off, and I toss stuff up there all the time.
In fact, um I'm trying to I'm trying to get uh I shot a little video in here.
It's funny, I Rush is quite the um technophile.
Somebody who likes tech, he's good at it.
I'm I have just enough knowledge to be inept.
And uh you you do a a little video on the iPhone, did it in here.
I I shot a picture of the salad I'm about to eat.
And and you you know, you do the little Twitter thing and it goes through Y Frog or whatever the heck that is, and And one point I was upside down, and at one point the video didn't work.
I I'm it's, you know, uh I'm unfrozen caveman lawyer here, the filthy old Phil Hartman video.
Your computers bewilder me.
So I'll work on that.
But anyway, follow me on Twitter if you like at Mark Davis, M A R K D A V I S, and I'd be honored.
So here's what I wrote about for tomorrow's Dallas Morning News.
But I'm not here tomorrow, so I'll tell you about it today.
Surely you've been in a room where someone has said, you know what Obama ought to do?
He ought to dump Biden and run with Hillary.
And of course, the next thing that someone says is, ah, he'll never do that.
Yeah.
Well, that's probably true.
That's probably true.
It is rare for a widely believed political aphorism to just erode before our eyes, but that may, that may be happening.
Maybe, and this is a really deep remote full court shot, maybe.
President Obama has a chance to change history yet again.
He might just explode the notion that you simply do not change running mates in midstream months before the conventions.
Now just do not overreact to this.
After months of saying this is unthinkable and impossible, I now consider it a remote, perhaps one in twenty possibility.
So what happened?
Bill Kristol chronicles this very well in a piece he wrote for the Weekly Standard called Why Not the Best.
He's talking about the race and how it might be run, and you know, if if the economy is bad and it's Obama and Biden, everybody's tired of Biden, probably tired of Obama too, that Romney wins and wins big.
And which could certainly happen.
But you know, why not have it a battle of the best?
Have Romney get a great running mate, a worthy running mate, somebody we don't spend six months going, Good God, is that person ready to be vice president, much less president?
Can we maybe spare ourselves that?
Can we?
Just an idea.
And let's have um Obama give us the the the best fight that he can, and that would be with Hillary as a running mate.
Wouldn't that be something?
Wouldn't that be a more meaningful win for Mitt Romney?
Well yeah, it would, if it happened.
Where am I going with this?
All of the supposedly earth-shattering consequences associated with changing running mates in midstream really may not happen.
Nobody has expected President Obama to do this, first and foremost, because it's simply not done.
Past presidents have had multiple running mates.
I mean, FDR had three, of course, FDR was president for forty years.
Uh but what happened with his running mates is that you'd get to the convention, there was huge discord, and the guys were just they were just thrown out.
Delegates made clear that they were not going to tolerate uh John Nance Garner and then Henry A. Wallace, and it just had to be a a switch up.
Uh in in 1975, Nelson Rockefeller just got tired of being vice president.
I'm tired of this.
I want to do something else.
And he chose not to re up.
But this notion of a sitting president in a close race punting the vice president that he just won with four years early, uh earlier with no loud chorus, prodding him to do it, that is new stuff.
Now I have no idea to what extent Bush 41 thought about doing this with this with Dan Quayle.
I think the loyalty in George H. W. Bush was such that he never would have dumped Quail.
But there were those who wanted him to.
The reason you that just doesn't get talked about is it seems like a stunning act of disloyalty.
It would be enormously embarrassing to whoever is dumped.
And the the the bridges burned within the party power circles, you could see them from space.
So how does this become even a topic worth discussing right now?
Number one, it may be the only way Obama can win.
Polls in the springtime, they don't mean much.
But even in a slowly recovering economy, Mitt Romney is making gains among independent voters.
Now the other enormous boost to Obama in 2008 was this narrative that history was being made.
This was a new, exciting, different kind of presidency.
Well, that hoax lasted for about six months.
Now, after the the The punishing blow of the elections of 2010, President Obama has a chance to come back with more history, more adrenaline, more excitement, with Hillary as a running mate.
That has to be tempting.
has to be.
In that piece I mentioned by Bill Kristol in the Weekly Standard, he points out that Joe Biden's approval numbers are way lower than Obama's.
Well, of course they are.
And that's not because Biden is such a disaster.
I mean, let's really be honest about this.
Joe Biden is not a seething disaster as vice president.
His lower approval numbers are because Biden's approval numbers are reflective of what Americans actually think of the Obama and the current Democrat agenda.
But they're stripped of the president's own magnetism and personal attributes and you know and fan club that he's just going to have.
Wrap those things around Joe Biden.
It's like bailouts and stimulus packages and expansionist collectivist government and redis the redistribution of wealth.
Eh, not my favorite thing.
And once you take away the magic charm of Obama, you know, you get the lower approval rate.
So what about the extraordinary indignity that would be shown to Joe Biden if Obama were just to change partners?
And what about party unity?
Well, nothing promotes party unity like winning.
Honest Democrats will tell you that the Obama-Clinton ticket generates adrenaline and thrill that Obama-Biden 2.0 can never dream of.
And as for Joe Biden's part, he can negate any perceived slight to him by choosing to go out with his head held high and that big toothy smile.
He could say, hey, I've had my time.
He wants to see the next wave of history, a woman vice president.
I'm going to be 70 a couple of weeks after the election, he could say.
And you know what I want to do?
I want to hang out with Jill and the grandkids.
Who would begrudge him that?
And then I'll tell you something else that Joe Biden would get.
The eternal gratitude of a Democratic Party that would thank him for the rest of his days for an act of selflessness that helped lock up a second Obama term.
With Joe Biden, you get a nail-biter election.
Or if Romney stays on message and campaigns well, Romney might win and it might not be that close.
But if Obama runs with Hillary, admit it, he probably wins.
He has to be thinking about this.
Will he do it?
Would it be smart?
What would you think of it?
So there's that.
We're looking for some venture capitalist people.
We've got stuff from the first hour that we brought up.
A lot of things going on in the news.
A lot of stuff in campaign 2012 and elsewise.
So 1-800-282-2882.
We'll dive into calls on all of the above.
Next on the Mark Davis Show.
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I have endured several minutes of affectionate mockery from the other side of the glass.
And I deserve it.
See, there's a back story that you may not know.
And I won't bore you with it.
What makes it particularly unforgivable that I would commit the ultimate etiquette violation?
See, I've been doing it.
First of all, the over-under.
I've guest hosted for Rush March 2008.
So those of you who had uh three years, two months, X number of days before I actually committed the unpardonable.
We have a winner.
I gave the local station's phone number once after doing this for about a year.
That was fun.
And I think I hadn't even noticed.
I needed Mike in my ear going, excuse me.
Yeah.
But the the particularly ironic thing is I haven't actually spoken those words on on an actual radio station in quite a while.
I'm working on that.
But let's go to what's truly relevant, and that is some more of your calls.
Alrighty, we are in Austin.
Joe, hey, Mark Davis in for rush, and it's a pleasure to have you.
Mark, it's a pleasure to be on the air with you.
Hi.
Thank you.
I am a consultant who works with venture capital firms, and my task is to help their clients in their portfolio, and they might have twenty of them that they have funded, for example, to help them become successful.
So I'm in a unique position because I see the perspective of the people that are funded that are working very hard, and Austin is one of those hotbeds of entrepreneurism.
Um We're number three, I think, in the world for startups after Israel and Silicon Valley.
Um some people in Austin would say we're number one.
That's okay.
But the thing is, thank God for the venture capitalist.
They have been the glue holding the expansion of our economy together, I promise you that.
They are the motivation and the expertise helping these entrepreneurs who come forward with with uh tremendous ideas in the fields of technology and medical care and engineering and w and medicine itself and a number of other areas.
Uh they have uh they've been the uh the the lighthouse on the rocky shoreline with an administration in Washington that has an adversarial approach toward entrepreneurism.
Let me ask you a question then.
Yeah if you if you were on the advisory team and you know you're c and you're on the Mint Romney Inner Circle and you know you're gonna be coming up against presidential speeches and ads that that show uh people uh wringing their hands and talking about how the evil Mitt Romney and evil Bain Capital uh came riding roughshod through their town and jobs were lost and blood was let and life was never the same.
What would uh what what would be uh uh your advice on how to counter that?
I would counter it with a number of the great success stories that we have in this country and um and and firms that have uh it would be firms that are past where I work with them that already have product to market that are becoming in some cases household names, and other firms that um because he worked early on with Home Depot, he worked early on with Staples.
Uh they need to understand this is this is class warfare and class envy.
Uh these are akin to the people who are critical of Walmart and its expansion days, and they they need to understand that um they attract to them exactly the way they think.
And that's the the where they'll be mired for a long time if they buy into that.
He actually has created more jobs, and I think he needs to prove that, and I think he needs testimonials uh on the uh on the air of people who work at those companies that are bright and articulate, but look like they came from a background of ordinary Americans.
Exactly.
Yeah, because uh we spectacular point, Joe, on top of the already good definitional things you've given us, a lot of it is an appearance game.
And and we can't have the venture capital uh uh line of work look haughty or distant.
Venture capitals uh capitalists are people who invest in a project when there's uh uh a substantial element of risk, maybe when nobody else will, and and sometimes do things go south, yes.
But far far more often when left uh to their own devices, things get better.
More job more net jobs are created because of the venture capitalists than lost.
Let me thank you, hook 'em horns, thanks for the call from Austin.
Let us go to Bill in Los Angeles, uh, who's also in the field because this is enormously, enormously helpful.
Hey, uh Mark Davison for us.
How are you doing, Bill?
Hey Mark, how are you?
Great.
I was just listening to your comments, and uh Joe was right on the money.
I mean, the stuff he's talking about.
You know, most of these companies without the money, there would be no company.
Yeah, because where would it have come from?
Where would it have come from?
The bottom line is most people know that the last resorts is a venture group or a venture fund because they've been turned down by banks, they've been turned down by friends and family and fools, right?
And they're looking for not only the cash, but also the guidance.
You know, as we lost our funds, so much of our focus was unemployable experts.
Go find people that are brilliant in that space that have already had success there, and then utilize those individuals to help grow that new brand.
Which at the end of the day is going to provide new jobs that were not there before, innovation, expansion, and growing entrepreneurism.
You know, the challenge in the States, and I travel around the world.
We have offices in Sydney and London, and I look at the opportunities as the way people look at it where they're hungry for the health.
And the problem is in the States, the venture capital name and just the what they call vulture capitalist, as you know it, has really gotten a bad rap because of what's happened in our financial system in New York.
But when you think about Main Street America, look at all of the amazing companies out there today.
Companies like Zappos and Google and all these companies that employ lots and lots of people, they wouldn't be there today if there wasn't a venture fund that believed in their vision.
That is spectacular.
Uh uh Bill, thank you so much.
Appreciate it so much.
Well, that Talk about what talk about what we were looking for.
Because oh listen, I could have said all that.
No, I actually know I couldn't have.
Not as well.
I have the layman's grasp uh of the value of of venture capital.
I mean, I know what it is.
I can, you know, uh Google a definition as easily as anyone and and show some proper conservative appreciation for it on free market principles.
But they're they're an actual venture capitalist in LA and a guy in Austin, Texas, who consults for venture capitalists on why they are vital.
And and so much is made of how venture capitalists make a lot of money.
Yep, sometimes they do, and sometimes they lose their shirts.
That is the definition of risk.
And when some when nobody's willing to take risk, uh j no jobs are created, and no companies are born.
So thank God for venture capital.
And uh Mint Rowney needs to find a way to uh maybe that maybe he just invented a bumper sticker.
I don't know.
Mark Davis said for Rush, be right there.
Here in the EIB Northern Command Stu Stu Studio, one might say.
Direct theft from Letterman circa 1986.
I don't know.
All righty.
Let us get back to your calls.
But a fascinating and refreshing visit with some venture capitalist folks to tell us firsthand what they do and what they don't do, what their value is.
And it's uh it it was great.
It was exactly what I was looking for, and I appreciate you guys very, very much.
And I think it was a wonderful indicator of the kind of thing that Mitt Romney's gonna have to do.
He's got to get out there and be comfortable with this and stop apologizing for it and strip the stigma away from it, and in fact, turn it right back on the president's henchmen, uh the president himself and his uh minions, who will be out describing venture capital as if it is only predatory,
has no benefit, uh as if uh the Mitt Romney has somehow done something inherently evil in those years as a venture capitalist, and it's uh as as the Republican candidate often has to do, is just gonna have to uh sometimes we have to deliver uh a lesson in Constitution 101, sometimes we have to uh uh deliver a lesson in history 101.
Well, in this case we've got to deliver one in economics 101, and it's one of many.
It is one of many, and Governor Romney had better be up to the task, and I feel that he is.
I feel that he is, but he is going to need the help of a lot of people in this industry.
Gentleman a couple of calls back had a great idea.
Uh it is time for the venture capitalists of of of this nation to step forward and say, you know, we will not be maligned by this president.
There is a vital function to what we do, and far more far more good issues forth from it than bad.
All righty.
Lots of business in UT country.
We're back in Austin.
Bill, Mark Davis in for Rush, how are you?
Hi, Mark.
Uh I kind of in a way want to disagree with your callers and the assertion that essentially Romney has to go out and play defense on that.
And the reason I say that is that that is playing the game on Obama's terms.
Um because essentially what a what the Bane narrative is, it's an ethical allegation in which it forces Romney to explain something which isn't easily encapsulated in a 30-second sound bite.
What venture capital does it's actually kind of complex sometimes.
And I'm sorry, but the much easier answer is to simply throw it right back at him.
The answer to the Bane narrative is Tony Rezco.
Oh, God, really.
I'm real sorry.
You cannot compare you know what somebody does in business as a as a venture capitalist to jumping in bed with a slum lord.
Uh-uh.
Right out of call.
Fair point.
And yet, and yet, let me ask the following, because I want to make sure I understand you.
So rather than correct the attacks against him, defend them correctly.
Rather than but well, you know, you're giving me a rather than, so let me ask the question and then take it wherever you want to take it.
Rather than not permit the president to slander venture capital and slander Mitt Romney, which is what this president will do, you let that go, because it's just too complicated, and instead we make people's eyes glaze over by re-invoking a crook like Tony Rezco, the stigma of which wasn't enough to derail Obama four years ago.
I don't think that that's even sort of true.
Because people simply don't know about Tony Roscoe.
They really don't know.
Well, he was a sh he was the Chicago fundraiser and and and he he was he was uh uh he was a major contributor to Blogevich, he was a just an Illinois guy, you it's there was there was plenty of stigma laid out in 08 and it just didn't mean enough to people.
Any time someone is a talked about thing in a past election, And two or four or eight years later, you find yourself saying, Yeah, we need to bring that up again and just really make people understand it this time, you're dead.
It'll never, it'll never work.
Bows in my ears asking asking me, does that apply to Jeremiah Wright?
Yes, it does.
If if if Jeremiah Wright, if if that America hating, race baiting, poisonous figure wasn't enough to derail Obama four years ago, don't even waste your time talking about him in twenty twelve.
Kane didn't touch this stuff.
He didn't touch it.
He declared it, you know, off limits.
But he declared everything off limits.
I mean, you know, uh Well, why are we ceding that argument?
Because it's an old, tired argument that nobody wants to hear.
It is not tired, and the thing is, it is not old.
Because the bottom line is this.
People really don't know.
As I was saying, talk to a talk to some unsuspecting stranger about this.
You know, just take them hostage for a few minutes.
They don't know these things.
And then slap them awake after 30 seconds because they're going to pass out in a in a in a cold nap.
It's it's just listen, let me ask you a question.
In the here here's a good measure of if there if there's a strategy you want to undertake.
Here's here's the ultimate test.
How many independent voters does it win over?
How many people and and and if if that answer is a lot, then you probably got a good idea.
If the answer is not many because it's a basic ethics complaint.
It's a basic ethics complaint.
Okay.
Okay, I love you.
Okay.
And hey, you know, is it worth a mention?
Uh, you know, and and maybe I misunderstand you.
I mean, maybe you're not talking about having another big Tony Rezco, do you remember ad campaign for running for you know three months after the convention.
Maybe it's just the occasional reference.
It's like, you know, President Obama is talking about me and suggesting that my business dealings have have been on the on uh have been on the unsavory side.
Do we remember uh Tony Rezco, do we remember the various public corruption charges, the various charges related to various private business dealings?
I'll I'll show you uh the business dealings that stink to high heaven, and they're not mine.
If you're talking about the occasional reference like that, I'll I'll play ball with you.
I'm I'm I'm good with it.
Thank you very, very much.
Appreciate it a lot.
1-800-282-2882.
We are in Carney, Nebraska.
Brett, hi, Mark Davis in for Rush.
How are you?
Mark, I'm doing well.
Hey, I just had a couple thoughts.
I hear Obama talk, President Obama talk about how everything needs to be more fairer, and I couldn't think that Obama is actually the epitome of how fair this country is.
He has been elected to be the commander in chief of the most successful uh society in the history of mankind, and he has absolutely zero business experience running the largest business of what, 330 million people in the United States.
Yeah.
So I'm just really kind of confused by that.
We we gave him we gave him the trophy, didn't we?
It's like the kid playing baseball whose team was like one in ten, and we gave him a trophy anyway.
Yeah, and you also look at Obama too, Mark.
It's like President Obama is probably a a a venture capitalist himself, isn't it?
I mean, look what he's done with Solindra.
It's just under the things that he finds important that he then puts himself into or puts our taxpayer money, not mind you, private money into.
And it seems like he kind of calling out business, but at the same time he's very much a businessman.
You know, Brett, that is superb.
Today's show is giving me 15 things that I would just love to hear as snippets in some Romney ad campaign or another.
Thank you very, very much for that.
And it goes like this.
If if once again, Mitt Romney or or somewhere or voiceover guy, uh you know, doing a campaign ad that you might imagine, in which Barack Obama criticizes Mitt Romney for playing fast and loose, being too risky With private sector money.
Well, that's Mitt Romney playing a proper role in the private sector.
You want to talk about somebody who squirreled away gazillions of dollars.
It's Barack Obama and the money was yours.
What would you rather have?
Someone who took some risks in the private sector and succeeded, or someone who took risks with your money and failed miserably.
I Mitt Romney and I approved that message.
Wow.
I gave myself uh chill bumps.
Even a blind pig finds an acord every once in a while.
I'm Mark Davis in for Rush, and we will continue.
It is the Tuesday Rush Limbaugh show.
Rush is back tomorrow to tell you of his various charitable pursuits and things that he was up to today.
I'm Mark Davis, flown up from Texas once again to enjoy the uh the ambiance of Midtown Manhattan here at the IB Northern Command.
As we get ready to go back to your calls, uh uh it's it's it's a fascinating thing that's taking shape here as as uh listen, we all have a vested interest in trying to help Governor Romney shape uh a strategy and a phraseology and a lingo and an approach that's going to help him win in November.
And a gentleman has has brought forth the very proper point that venture capital is hard to explain.
It it makes a lot of people's eyes glaze over.
Uh you could just sort of see you know your your pupils rolling back in their heads, oh my god, venture capital, woof.
Uh but I don't want to surrender on it for that reason.
I don't want to surrender on it.
I I don't want to throw up our hands and say, well, people just aren't gonna understand it because it might take more than thirty or sixty seconds.
Look, I I know uh pardon pardon the next sixty seconds.
I know that a whole lot of Americans are dumb as a mud fence.
All right.
I know this.
However, I also know that some of them vote.
I know that it it helps if an issue can be boiled down i into a lot of of single syllable words.
I know.
But if you can take something that is fairly complicated and find a narrative that is simple, so that folks who do not care to wander through the the labyrinthine maze of what venture capital really is,
if they can just hear that it is necessary to take risk in a free market, if they can just hear that people in a private sector economy willing to take risks are going to find some businesses that need to close and some jobs that need to be lost, so that other businesses can be created and other jobs can be uh created thereafter.
That's the kind of thing that that even somebody who's just not paying a whole lot of attention might begin to nod in tentative agreement.
So I I don't want to surrender on this.
I don't.
And in Albany, just upstate, uh, David, I think has a similar view, and we'll uh we'll phrase it uh according to his will.
Hi, David, Mark Davis in for Rush.
How are you?
Good.
Mark, thanks for doing a great job.
Appreciate talking with you today.
Thanks for taking my call.
The right, uh Red, I guess you'd say today, obviously fully as the GOP is in my opinion, falling into the narrative trap design of the left.
I mean, after all, the left is always designing every one of these exchanges.
So as to put the right on a defensive mode.
Uh, you know, in defense of a described or perceived evil, you know, you know, they present all the venture capitalist businesses and all the subsections of it as evil.
Now, this new narrative, in my opinion, is specifically designed one for their base, and to me, those are mostly emotional reactionaries of the left.
But two, it's also designed to head out to the you know the average crowd.
And to the average crowd, their arguments are gonna sound fair, thus honorable.
And you know, it's the same thing again and again with the right or everyone in the GOP, especially Mitt Romney and this camp me to be doing.
It's is every time they get an opportunity for every accusation, for every call up, fine.
You know what?
Go on the news, name the person, call them by name, call them first a willful liar, and openly accuse them of knowing the difference and make them defend their Marxist position.
Now we don't do that.
We're afraid to do that because we're afraid of the press.
I'm sure we can show everyone that the press is not on their side to begin with.
Right.
Make them defend their Marxist position.
And and not only that, uh, but speak in those terms that clearly define what they're talking about as anti-American, Anathetical to our nation and ethical to our character.
I've you are your your your wish is exactly right.
I don't want to get too hung up on language, but language is is enormously important.
I think that we need to phrase this in a way that doesn't just bring fist pumping agreement from people that are going to vote for Romney or vote for Romney already, uh, which is why calling, you know, calling stuff Marxist, calling stuff anti-American, probably not helpful.
Well, I need to ask you something though, there.
I uh you know, True though it may be true though true though it may be.
And I'm not suggesting we should be Casper Miltoast and be and God bless John McCain, but but be unwilling to mix it up.
But there is an art and a science to going after things with a scalpel rather than a sledgehammer to suggest that that that this is that what the Obama people are are are are engaging in demonization of the opposition, and Romney should step forward and say, I will not be demonized for something that I am proud to have done, playing a vital role in a free market economy, and the people who come after me and try to demonize that are demonizing the American way of life.
These are people who will spend willy-nilly gazillions of taxpayer dollars without asking them everything we did was at least in the private economy.
There are ways to put this that are very, very, very forceful.
And so we, you know, we don't um we might just disagree on a little phraseology as all.
Go ahead, I'm sorry.
No, I I really do appreciate that because that is exactly what we're not doing.
And and uh, you know, the the fear of it as it as if the media is gonna all of a sudden be on our side, look, they're never gonna be on our side.
We need to go ahead and at least educate but educate with it with a degree of force that says go over their heads.
This is what it's all about.
And I think people will listen to it and they'll respond positively.
I believe you are correct about that for sure.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it a lot.
All righty.
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Joel, hey, Mark Davis in for Rush.
How are you?
Uh Mark, good job on the uh occupy rush movement today.
Thanks.
Um in particular, I want to kind of turn this on uh the Democrats and get Romney to simplify, use some terminology and get some kind of light bulbs going off for people.
I want to accuse the president of economic incompetence, and this is an example of that, that he doesn't really get what's going on.
And to give you an example, GM in particular, um when they cut the deal to bail out GM, they closed eleven hundred plus dealers, I thought.
I don't have a hard number in front of me, which laid off probably two thousand plus people.
They also confiscated capital in the form of the bonds, bondholders capital, which if Mitt Romney would have done that, he'd be serving time in the state's hat.
And and so I think you gotta simplify it, hammer home that this is an example of president's economic incompetence.
We can't afford him anymore.
I there there is a theme arising here, and thank you, Joel.
Appreciate it very, very much.
And uh there's a talk show host way of putting it, uh a talk show caller way of putting it, and then a Mitt Romney way of putting it that I want to be not too genteel or something, but but here's the the thing that first occurs to me, the talk show host in me, is this guy dares?
This guy dares to lecture me about my wisdom about money.
I have done well in my chosen profession.
Can President Obama on his best day remotely argue that he has shown one-tenth of the talent that I showed in the private sector.
The difference between President Obama and me, and and then now we get into something that's almost pure narcissism if you were to say it, but there's part of me that would love it, is at least I was successful in what I sought to do.
You know something?
Reagan had in 1980, are you better off than you were four years ago?
And then I'd and I'd like to see that used this year.
That'd be great.
Are you better off than you were four years ago?
Uh let's work on this.
We got an hour and seven minutes to go.
Some kind of of tagline that goes something like this.
Under construction, here we go.
If if you're looking for someone who sought to do something with money with with a particular goal, I sought to do some things with money in the private sector.
I had a particular goal.
I succeeded.
Can President Obama say the same?
Yeah, we've got to work on that.
Luckily, we have time.
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Mark Davis in for rush on the EIB net.
Phil Collins getting some royalty checks today.
I'm just noticing.
Just saying, just saying, and that's okay.
I'm a Genesis guy.
No problem.
I love it.
All righty, we will turn it on again in the uh final hour here in just a momento.
And um and we've got a lot going on on Bain Capital, a lot going on on Romney strategies, a lot going on on uh whether Obama dumps Biden runs with Hillary, which has gone from a zero chance to maybe a one in twenty chance.
Uh coming up with listen, you you know me, maybe you know me a little.
Uh the space dork in me loves that that Falcon 9 SpaceX launch, private sector uh payload.
Speaking of private sector, private sector payload, headed up to uh uh up to the International Space Station Station.
Can a human uh payload be far behind?
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