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June 17, 2011 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 17, 2011, Friday, Hour #2
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Now, see everything's a learning experience.
Snurdly was not going to take that call because he thought that the woman was going to be too insulting.
I had to intercede in there because I saw he was blowing up.
There was smoke coming out of the ears in there.
That's how loyal Snerdley is.
You don't call here and rip the host.
And I had to tell him, give me the call.
Because it's an opportunity.
And life lessons in that call.
There really are greetings.
Great to have you back Friday on the EIB Network.
Live from the Southern Command in sunny South Florida.
It's open line Friday.
The life lesson, partially their jealousy, yeah, but it goes deeper than that.
It goes deeper than that's the crossroads we're at in this country.
That's exactly the problem that we face.
Everything I have is from being a businessman.
Pure and simple.
I haven't been subsidized, haven't been granted or given anything.
And yet there's this deep resentment for it.
Now that's always been the case.
Human nature, jealousy, envy, what have you.
But it's it's reaching new heights and new proportions of it.
For example, I mean, she's a nice lady, but when she finally got to the point she wanted to condemn my new tea business.
But after I'm investing my own money, I didn't ask her for any.
I didn't take any money from a pool that she would have access to, resulting in a smaller pool for her.
I didn't inherit anything.
Nobody gave me anything.
I never ask anybody for anything.
And yet, yeah, well, easy for you to do.
You had your own money.
The rest of us would have to go get a loan.
Well, I decided to wait, if the day ever came, until I had the money to invest rather than borrow it.
That's just me.
Other people go out and do whatever they have to do to access money, borrow it or what have you.
It's the way of the world.
That's uh, you know, fine fine and dandy in that regard.
But this is actually one of the reasons that we endeavored to do this uh in this economic climate.
I wanted to find I sit here and I talk all the time about private sector, how it works, and in my own sphere in broadcasting and media, I am a businessman.
And I know that business left and right.
I know it in and out.
I know it backwards and forwards.
But I've never taken a product to market from scratch.
And I I you know I know theoretically what all's involved.
I know people who have, I know the hoops that they have to jump through and the obstacles, but I had never experienced them.
And now I know them.
And to bring a product like this to market from scratch, the regulatory hoops that we had to go through, the I mean there's a lot of obstacles that you have to deal with.
You know, FDA, all kinds of legals.
You wouldn't believe the intricacy of the legals.
The it took us a month to get legal approval on the label for the bottle, the way the ingredients are.
All of this has been a you know a tremendous educational experience for me because it helps me relate to other people who've done this both large and small.
And another reason that I wanted to do it, because I had when I was in the process of doing it, and my family knew and select really small number of people.
I couldn't tell anybody because I didn't want the secret getting out.
I, you know, we're doing it ourselves, small little outfit here, and some big corporate entity got word of this, they could have beat us to the market with this because we didn't they they've got systems in place to bring a product to market.
They've already done it.
We didn't.
They could have slammed dunked us.
They had to keep this secret.
But the people who did know it doesn't make any sense.
Every day you talk about how this economy's not conducive to this kind of stuff, and yet here you are doing it.
Are you stupid?
Are you and so what are you doing?
And I said, well, there's a part of me, I've always said that when they give recessions, I don't participate.
And that's irritated people.
But you do have.
This is the United States of America.
Everybody has the ability to try to not participate in a recession.
You have the ability to create your own job.
That is what has been one of the greatest things about this country.
Entrepreneurialism.
So we did this for a whole host of reasons.
And I'm not going to hold one or the other above any of the rest as something holier than now, but I uh I wanted to do this to show that it could be done despite the obstacles that are there.
And even at that, as I as I told our caller, there's no guarantee of a profit.
Nobody has any guarantee of a profit when they when they start this.
You know, look at George McGovern.
He had a bed and breakfast.
And I'll never forget George McGuffin.
That was the biggest eye-opening experience for him.
He had ever no clue what it was actually like to run a business.
Here he had been voting on legislation, proposing legislation, making it harder and harder for people to run a business.
He ended up owning a bed and breakfast, and it it it he did a giant eye-opening turnaround on government regulation, oppressive or otherwise.
And we're just trying to run a little bed and uh and breakfast.
So this is uh the life lesson in the woman's call is that we have a growing number of people where who just do not like the disparity of outcomes that is inherent in capitalism.
And a growing number of these people who want to punish those who do well, because it's not fair that somebody does well while somebody else doesn't, and they want the equalizing agent to be, in this case, the president, generically the government, want the government to decide outcomes on the basis of fairness, even if it ends up harming the country, even if it ends up harming the nation's economy.
And this woman sounded to me like she was actually a regular listener and somewhat of a fan of the program, but even she had been seduced by this whole class of well, you didn't have any you didn't have any trouble getting money.
You hadn't noble trouble advertising.
Let me tell you something.
The only reason I had money is because I've been working to try to earn it at this show alone for 23 years.
Nobody gave me anything, there's no subsidy here, and I am paying full rate card for the advertising on my program.
I'm you know, I'm buying this advertising.
Everything is uh above above board on it.
And it's it's just it's plus it's all fun.
It's all ended up being uh fun.
And it's it's uh we're not on any shelves, but if we were, I could say it is just rolling off the shelves.
Now, here from a business standpoint today, yesterday a little bit, but today is going to be a fascinating day for us.
Because today is the day that the tea starts to arrive.
Today is the day that people start to taste it.
Today is the day whether we we learn whether or not they like it.
This is a huge day, and next week, as people have ordered, it's basically our shipping is free anywhere from two to three days.
continental United States.
If they like it, well then where there's going to be word of mouth And a whole new avenue of advertising will begin just by virtue of that.
If people don't like it, well then they don't like it, and we're up a creek.
This is the risk you take.
But this this is a uh this is a this is a big day.
Now, told them all about it.
I love it, greatest tea I've ever tasted, all true.
They better like it too.
It's the market totally at work here.
100%.
We have subjected ourselves totally to the uh good graces of the American people in the U.S. market.
We'll see where it where it uh where it ends up.
Now back to this woman.
No, okay, two if by tea.com.
That's the uh that's the what's it now 2376 per trope, they keep asking me.
Free shipping.
What is your other question?
Oh, that's so so no, no, we're not even thinking IPO, no, no, no, we're not thinking about that.
We're having no, no, no, we're not getting ahead of the game like that.
No way, no, down the road, no, no, no, no.
We've got we got many other things along the uh.
Uh, look, we've got we don't want people complaining about how we do business.
Uh they already are.
They're complaining that we are doing business, not how.
So 2376 for 12 pack, two flavors, both sweetened and unsweetened, naturally and artificial, and the shipping is free.
You can't, you can't beat the deal.
And what's the phone number?
866, 662, 60, 1776, if you want to phone.
Now, dovetail, dovetail here.
The piece by Christian Freeland, theatlantic.com.
The rich are different from you and me.
Here she talks about the growing gap between the very, very rich and the rest of us, tries to say that the reason the gap exists because the very, very rich are stealing from everybody.
I've never understood the math on that, by the way.
That the rich get rich by stealing from the poor.
The mathematics of that's never made sense to me.
But here, this in the second page of her piece here, this, and I don't think she understands how this undercuts her whole piece.
Listen to this.
Many of today's super rich started out in the middle and make most of their money through work, not inheritance.
And yet we are still gonna hate them.
Ninety-five years ago, the richest one percent of Americans received only 20% of their income from paid work.
In 2004, that income proportion had tripled to 60%.
So this is the old money versus new money.
And the old money, Kennedy money, arrogant, stodgy, uh nose in the air looking down on people who earn their money from work, and that still exists, by the way.
The arrogant blue blood money from the golden years from the railroad days, the Vanderbilts, all that, whatever's left of that money, those people they still have it.
And they start sipping cocktails at four o'clock in the afternoon.
They don't even know that we're at war in Iraq or Afghanistan, but they look down their nose at everybody else.
Particularly those who work, the working classes.
And 95 years ago, the richest 1% of Americans received only 20% of their income from paid work.
You can in fact, the vast majority of the rich were inherited today, and the most 2004, seven years ago, sixty percent of the very, very rich receive their income from work.
And still we hate them.
Still we are told to resent them.
It's very hard to persuade voters that the rich deserve to be penalized with higher taxes or to make the rich the villains if the rich are tied to work.
And that's the key point.
It is especially hard if middle class voters believe that their own work can help make them rich one day, and that's what's being destroyed.
That's what's under assault by this regime.
The notion that hard work is going to take you to new heights.
A lot of people are throwing their arms up in frustration, yeah, rush, great.
If I could find work, and I totally understand and empathize with that.
But if the prevailing opinion of the very, very rich is a bunch of thieves, lucky sperm club or no or the like, and you have the Democrat Party, the American left coming out demonizing these people, then they have, then you're gonna be very successful in in exploiting this this whole thing That we call class envy.
And that begets a call to equalize outcomes, to get to get the government to be the equalizing agent to make it fair.
And so the question is open.
What percentage of our population actually wants this to be a welfare state nation?
And is it growing?
We know that over 50% of the people of this country received some sort of check from the government for something.
Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, what have you, AFDC.
We know that.
But attitudinally, still an open question.
You and I hope and pray that it's a relatively small number, still in the minority.
You and I hope and pray that people still have this traditional concept of the American dream.
Hard work, ambition, fruits of your labor, paying off.
Not every time, of course.
Nothing's ever guaranteed.
But as a value base, it can't be beat for engineering and producing the most prosperity.
The greatest opportunity for prosperity human race has ever known, United States of America.
And yet you've got essentially a bunch of snivelling lazy failures who resent that.
And want an all-powerful government to come around and redistribute things so that they don't have to work.
Fifteen percent unemployment, fine and dandy.
As long as I have the basics, I'm cool with it, they say.
But it ought to change a lot of people's minds when they learn that the vast majority of the super and the very, very rich got that way by working.
Not Lucky Sperm Club got it by working and by continuing to work.
And some of them continue, they lose it.
They risk it away.
Gotta take a break.
We'll get to more of your phone calls when we come back here, Rush Lindball, the EIB network.
Sit tight, my friends.
By the way, the Wall Street Journal, interestingly, has a uh a blog today.
Does America have too many rich people?
And it turns out the little survey they've taken, America does not hate the rich.
Uh at the moment, the United States has 5.2 millionaire households and somewhere around three million individual millionaires.
Now that's by far the largest number for any country in the world, and the individuals represent about 1% of the population, which is pretty constant from generation to generation.
Now, when they were asked, do we have too many rich people in the country, just the right amount or too few, 42%, the largest number said just the right amount of rich people.
Another 31% said too many, which is down from 37% 2007.
And 21% said we had too few rich people.
This gallop, and these numbers are from uh today versus 2007.
So there's uh reason for optimism.
But I'm telling you, the American left and the media are doing everything they can to drum up about a bunch of phony hatred.
And it's not new class envy, phony hatred for the achievers.
The frustrating thing is all these literal dim wits, and you can see them.
These are the people that post uh comments to all these these these left-wing blogs.
They're genuine metal midgets, vacants, them in the IQ of a pencil eraser, but they have this pent-up resentment and hatred, and they're the ones running around pushing for the government to equalize outcomes on the basis of fairness.
It's just uh never worked whenever it's been tried, and people in societies where it has been tried are miserable if they're alive.
Uh Jamie in Loudoun, New Hampshire.
Great to have you on Open Line Friday.
Welcome.
Thanks for taking my call, Rush.
You bet, sir.
I'd like to get to the important things in life.
I'd like you to re revisit the uh the first round that you played at Augusta and uh how that day started out at the driving range with your catty tip and how you had spread balls all over the place.
Everything was definitely going wrong, and then you had to get up to the first T. You are now it's just like you were playing in Augusta, you had a crowd watching you, and you're not gonna be able to do it.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
What am I waiting?
You were there?
No, no.
I had called you.
I'd heard it on the radio when I was driving off to the job and it just it really was an interesting story.
Yeah, it was uh that's you know, Augusta for us golfers is uh is a shrine.
It's uh it's hallowed, hallowed ground.
Well, now that you've had the harm I believe it was the Harmon experience, the uh professional training that you received, can you relate back to why when everything was going wrong just before you got up to the T and in fact and the fact that you didn't have that training that you have now, why you hit such a perfect drive?
Well, yeah, you mean Hank Haney, the uh the Haney experience.
You know, it's it's interesting.
Hank deemphasizes working on the mental.
He says if you just you just get to swing mechanics down and get comfortable with what you're doing, the mental will take care of itself.
It's sort of like what I've always said about giving a speech.
The greatest way to be confident giving a speech is to know what you're talking about, and to be passionate and can't wait to say what you're gonna say.
You won't be nervous.
It's the same thing with with with your golf swing.
If if if you're if you're confident about what you're doing, which is sometimes hard to muster, but if you are, the extraneous things like being distracted mentally or nervous uh won't bother you.
I was um particularly nervous, but I did.
I boomed a 240-yard drive right down the middle, first up at the Augusta.
That's this guy's right.
I mean, he remembers it.
Here's the point, folks.
In my humble opinion, class warfare is actually warfare against the middle class.
And I think this is largely misunderstood.
The Democrats and the left have characterized class warfare.
They've told their charges that stick with us, pal, and we're gonna get even with those rich people.
Yeah, we're gonna make them pay, and we're gonna redistribute their wealth, and you're gonna have more, and everything's gonna be fine.
We're gonna punish them big time.
And of course, I've always asked, how is that help you?
Okay, some rich guy you don't know is forced to pay a higher tax rate.
How in the world does that make your life better?
I used to make my mother mad all the time when I was a kid.
She made me eat everything on the plate, and she did say, you know, it's a cliché, my generation, there's starving kids all over the world, starving kids in China.
You eat that.
You know, and I would say, okay, so if I eat all of that, somebody in China's gonna be rubbing their stomach and say, Oh, wow, I feel full.
And my mother says, You can't, you'll sass me.
Don't be as smart, I like us.
I'm sorry, but I don't know how what I eat is affecting somebody in China.
Same thing here.
They talk about going after the rich all they want.
But whose pockets are being lined here?
Who are their crony capitalist partners?
Well, it's all these Lib Democrat frontrunners on Wall Street.
General Electric not paying a penny in United States federal income tax.
The fact is the left lives in the world of crony capitalism, and they seek to control the middle class, and they want to keep the middle class middle class.
The thing the left does not want is precisely people expanding their wealth.
You can't control them.
The more people become independently wealthy, the less they need government.
The left needs you dependent.
The left needs you subservient.
The left, the Democrats, the president want you needing them.
They love it when you call 9-11 when the Chinese restaurant screws up.
They love it when you call 9-1-1 when McDonald's is out of chicken McNuggets.
They love it when you call 9-11 when a drug deal goes bad and you don't get the right change.
They like it.
They sit back privately and applaud, and they say it's success out there.
It's working.
We're convincing more and more people that the solution to practically everything in life is to call us.
The same party that yells about tax cuts for the rich have made it so that General Electric pays no taxes.
You think Bush did that?
Reagan did that?
That was Barack Obama, my friends.
And if you support them, you know, you, you know, you got this wacko president who wants these jelly bean cars and these little propeller wings on them and solar power, you tell him, fine, I'll build one, he'll take care of you.
You support the regime and they'll take care of you.
You ignore the regime and they will punish you.
Remember Microsoft.
Microsoft forgot something very important.
They did not have a lobbyist in Washington.
They didn't have an office.
They weren't greasing the skids.
Guess what?
Massive lawsuit.
Remember when Microsoft didn't have any lobbyists punished for it.
Now they do.
Now Microsoft greases the skids.
Well, we're living through right now.
What happens when the left gets its way?
That's what we're living through right now.
When the left wins, when they get what they want, that's what we're living through.
You can't find a job.
You worry if you have a job that you're going to lose it.
The price of gasoline skyrockets, the price of food skyrockets.
The value of your home is such that it's underwater.
What we're living through right now is what happens when the left gets its way.
When the Democrat Party wins is what happens now.
And somehow they have managed to convince a bunch of genuine blithering idiots.
They're lost causes anyway.
Check out some of these Nimrods that post on some of these blogs, folks.
Anyway, they're out there thinking, you know, Obama loves, he's going to take care of me.
He's gonna get rid of these rich guys, he's gonna make sure I get my share.
Back to the folks of Bayville, New Jersey.
Hello, John, great to have you on the EIB network.
Hello.
Hey, how are you doing, Russ?
I appreciate you taking my call.
You bet.
I got a quick question.
In order to stimulate the U.S. economy, why aren't we giving tax cuts or the largest tax cuts to companies that are hiring or employing mostly, mostly uh U.S. workers, buying raw materials in the United States, and making products in the United States for sale in the United States.
Because we don't want to stimulate the U.S. economy.
It's just frustrating.
I mean, even uh even on the Republican standpoint, let's give tax breaks to everybody.
Now let's focus it on recycling that money back through the U.S. Well, wait a minute.
What is it?
Nobody is focusing at tax breaks.
By the way, there's another thing.
This this don't this term tax break.
It in that that implies some sort of a crony deal.
There's no tax break, tax cuts.
Forget this tax break a tax break is what GE gets.
They don't pay any.
Well, I mean I might I meant to say lowering tax rates.
Okay.
I know you did.
But you've been co-opted like everybody has by that tax break lingo.
Tax break as though somebody's skating away on a on a secret behind closed doors under the table deal.
And that's not that that's a that's a creation of the media and of the left.
Uh you know, whether the money stays the reason if you want to get money back in the United States.
How many did I read the other day?
How many trillions of dollars?
There's a simple little change in the tax code you could make.
And you could you could repatriate trillions of U.S. dollars.
American two trillion.
Yeah, this is I forget.
I'm having a mental block on uh on what it's called, but you know, international corporations that have headquarters in the United States uh have to keep money that they've earned outside this country, outside the country, otherwise there's a humongous big tax on it.
If it just waived that for a year, you'd the influx of dollars from overseas would be uh profound.
It's uh tax rate reductions.
We have plenty of room to cut taxes before we reach the point of diminishing returns.
Particular in the overseas profit tax.
But we have we have plenty of room to cut taxes before we reach the point of diminishing returns, particularly on the corporate tax side.
You know that when you talk about rich, there's all different kinds of rich people, too.
There are the politically connected rich.
And I call the politically corrected rich, a guy named James Johnson at Fannie Mae, who got rich by paying himself under the table from taxpayer money sent to Fannie Mae.
He didn't produce anything.
In fact, what he did with Fannie Mae is run it into debt and help destroy the housing sector.
And he is worth a hundred or so million dollars in the process.
Franklin Rains, who later became CEO, president of Fannie Mae, same thing.
Jamie Gorellick.
These are people who are politically connected, who have had money dispensed to them, so to speak.
And then you have the working stiff rich.
These are the people that actually create things or generate streams of income for themselves and for people.
They actually do things that cause the economic pie to enlarge.
Steve Jobs would be a great example.
Fred Smith of FedEx.
I mean, these people are legion.
And they started with nothing.
They started in their garages, or they started with an idea that they got a C on for their doctoral thesis.
That's Fred Smith and FedEx.
You got a C. I think in Harvard or whatever.
We decided to go ahead with it anyway and look at it.
There's all kind, and interestingly enough, uh, as we were discussing, the politically connected rich, they're the ones held in.
High regard.
And that's what government is to these people.
Government, the treasury, look at all that money.
I gotta get to Washington.
I gotta get my hands in that pile for doing nothing other than being connected.
Once again, my friends, we have done our work here at the EIB network, the website.
We've spent a lot of time telling you about that's releasing all the frivolous, wasteful spending going on at Washington, has reached critical mass.
This site has been visited by uh hundreds of thousands of people.
And now, get this 80,000 people plus signed a petition headed towards Capitol Hill, demanding enough is enough.
This is the dirty spending secrets.com website.
Website that lists all kinds of horrible spending offenses.
The federal government that are not publicized, but these are all documented, they're all backed up, like the millions of dollars we've spent on chaining uh training Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly on the job.
Did you know that?
Did you know?
Did you know that up until what was it, 1995, 90s, there was an official U.S. tea taster.
The federal government actually paid, there was a whole department, federal government tea tasting, and it had somebody taste the tea.
I am the tea taster.
I am I am an accredited specialist at tea tasting.
But the government used to have one.
I don't know how long ago that's been 1995.
They shut it down.
And now millions of dollars spent on training ChICOM prostitutes to drink responsibly on the job.
Visit the site before they shut it down.
Dirty SpendingSecrets.com.
Read the tantalizing details.
You want to sign your name to this petition.
Send the same message to Washington that you sent last fall in the elections.
I mean, you gotta stop the spending.
And it starts right there where these offenses have been allowed.
It's just every time we learn of some of these these crazy wacko spending methods, we think, okay, we're shining light on it, and this is going to bring it to a screeching halt, and it doesn't.
It's time to.
Dead serious about it.
We can't go on.
We don't have this money.
Large amounts are small.
We don't have it.
Here's Bill Dallas, you're next on the EIB network.
Hello.
Bill in Dallas.
Are you there, sir?
Yes, I am.
Hi, Rush.
Very good.
Great to have you here, sir.
I'm doing well, thank you.
Good, good.
Good to get to uh join your program today.
Thank you.
Uh let me uh let me just start out by saying that I'm I'm totally on board with you in terms of the uh free enterprise system and hard work and that's that's the way I've spent my life.
I've worked long days every day and I've accomplished uh what I've accomplished.
I I haven't been as successful as you, but I've been successful in my own eyes and and have done okay.
And but I want to I want to uh uh as as brothers in that uh position, because I really do believe that's that's the way we should go forward.
I think that there's the the that there's an opportunity here that we may be overlooking, and that is is that you know there's just a lot of people out there, and it's a significant percentage of the population that just are not going to be able to be entrepreneurs.
No, no, no, I know I know not everybody can be.
And and that and you've got that, and then the second thing is that you've got a lot of people out there with this ex with the disparity that we have now between the cost of living and income.
Uh you've got a lot of people that just can't pay their bills.
And it seems like that if we if our if our group could reach back and and really do what the Democrats are doing, except do it in a uh proactive and a positive manner.
How do you do with that?
How do you how do you pay somebody in a positive proactive manner?
Well, I don't think I don't think you can do it directly.
I agree with I mean the implication of what you're saying is just you can't, and I agree with that, but there is there has got to be a way uh well, let me say it like this that when you know you were you were talking a little earlier about free enterprise and all that stuff,
and and this is meant as a positive statement, that the the implication that one could take from that is is well, okay, everybody ought to go out and work hard and do all this stuff, and if you do, and and that's the and then anybody that doesn't do that, just forget them.
Nope.
And that has never that has never been what America's been all about.
But to discuss this problem honestly, we're gonna have to go back fifty to seventy-five years.
How did do you think how did we as a nation, how did people in this country get along when they lost their job before there was unemployment compensation?
Because it happened.
How did people get along before the government came along with social security?
How did it happen?
How did people get along without Medicare and Medicaid?
Because it happened.
How did that happen?
What has happened?
We have destroyed the work incentive for fifty years.
We have been conditioning people that if they don't get what they want, it's not their fault.
It's the government's job to make things equal.
We have conditioned laziness in an ever increasing portion of the population.
We have we we skewed our values somewhere along the line.
So if you look at this, if you just woke up today as an adult and you look at the disparities in income, you say, my God, what an unfair country.
Don't blame you if but but we didn't get here overnight.
We got here by virtue of misplaced policies.
I don't even care if they were well intentioned or not.
We got here by misplaced policies that had as their central premise, if you just let the government redistribute income, you can have equality of outcome and everybody be fair, and there is this utopia out there.
Government dependence is a learned behavior, and there are people teaching it, and they are democrats.
The Democrat Party, the American of the Worldwide Left have been teaching dependence on government.
They have been encouraging it for years.
You j I don't think you can take a snapshot of America today and indict capitalism.
Capitalism didn't cause the disparities as they exist.
Capitalism didn't cause the income inequality.
Capitalism didn't cause people wanting to work hard but can't find work.
Capitalism didn't cause that.
It's uh a a combination of of of other things.
The belief primarily, though, that a centrally planning entity like a government can eliminate such disparity.
It can't.
Government can only exacerbate.
Government cannot create wealth.
It can only destroy it.
It's uh we've been down this road on this road for a long time, and that's why I constantly say it's going to take more than one or two elections to reverse the direction that we're going and to deal with the attitudes that we've got.
You might think it sounds cruel to say to somebody, wait, uh you're out of work, go get a job.
What happened when somebody lost a job 50 years ago and there wasn't unemployment compensation?
What did people do?
They didn't just shrivel up and die.
What happened when the buggy whip industry came along and got put out of business by the automobile?
What happened?
People adjust to it.
Today we're not allowed to adjust.
We subsidize.
We'll be back.
Don't go away.
The welfare state destroys.
The welfare state destroys things and then claims to exist to provide a safety net for people whose lives they've destroyed.
And there's news out of California that proves my point, or really will make you wonder about it, given what's happening there and yet how people vote.
Sit tight.
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