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Feb. 21, 2011 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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February 21, 2011, Monday, Hour #3
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Actually, I want to use number 29.
Uh audio summit number 29, and then we'll get to number four in an order.
All right?
Good, cool.
Here we are, folks.
Rush Limbaugh back, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
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One of the many lives of teacher pay.
It's a great question, the guy asked.
Why why would why would anybody why would governments want to unionize state workers?
Why would people at work in a state want to be unionized?
I can remember my whole life.
I mean since I was in uh grade school, junior high particularly is when I first started being cognizant of the whole notion of uh need to pay our teachers better to attract more uh better teachers.
And in fact, my father was involved in efforts to pay teachers more in our little town of Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
I remember we had a uh I had in junior high history teacher.
What was her name, David?
Kathleen uh the the sh what was the last name?
Sackman.
Just Sackman, that's right, Catherine Sackman.
She was short.
Uh well everybody when I was junior high looked 80.
I'm sure she wasn't 80, but she.
And she had this unique way of speaking, but she was a good teacher, and she loved my dad.
I got good grades.
She loved my dad because my dad was very vocal in in teachers' salaries needing to be raised.
He was he is he was involved in the community in his uh in his own ways.
And so I was always cognizant that I've as I've grown older, I've heard all the arguments.
How come we pay, you know, idiots like athletes all that money and teachers who are incredibly more important, Mr. Limboy.
You must agree with us, they say.
So little.
And that involved uh detailed explanations of how capitalism works, capital formation and all that.
But now this argument, you know, many, many moons hence my junior high school days.
Um we gotta pay our teachers more if we're gonna attract better teachers.
Now, as we have learned, looking at what teachers are making in Wisconsin, in some places teachers are now paid enough money where a lot of business people would like to teach.
There are some people who have retired.
Business people who have retired and who have applied to be teachers in public schools.
And they're most always turned down.
They can't be hired.
There's hardly any way a school will hire them because they don't have education majors, they don't have a certificate.
They didn't go to school to be teachers, so even though they've spent a lifetime doing something in business, they still can't be hired to teach that.
But I think the uh the whole notion of of wanting better teach I think the whole notion of wanting better schools is something that we could challenge the left on.
Look at Obama himself.
There was this brilliant voucher program going on in Washington.
If you go to poor neighborhoods, inner city neighborhoods, you get responsible parents in those neighborhoods, will tell you the thing they want most is their kids out of those schools and into better schools.
They know that education's a ticket out for their kids.
So they set up this this great voucher program that allowed poor inner city kids to go to great private schools.
And Obama canceled the plan.
One of his first acts as president was to cancel it, just let it die.
After its current funding perspired, he just let it die.
And this was because he had to be loyal to the NEA.
He had to be loyal to teaching.
He had to be loyal to inferior schools, because that's where the working strike force is.
The unionized teachers.
They're Democrats.
They vote Democrat.
Certainly most of them knew most of the, and certainly the leadership of these unions Spends money on Democrat re-election campaigns.
So the whole notion of wanting better schools and wanting better teachers is not the objective.
What is wanted is more power for the Union.
It's not about better teachers.
That's why unionize as many public employees as possible.
You in effect are paying them to be Democrats.
You are paying them to be loyal campaign workers.
It is not an accident that since Obama's regime took office, that there have been an additional 200,000 federal workers hired in various federal unions.
It's not an accident.
So it's not about being the best.
It's not about finding better teachers.
It's not even about paying them more.
Although take that back, it is about paying them more to keep them there.
But it's about loyalty to the Democrat Party, pure and simple.
Now, here is what Governor Walker in Wisconsin is trying to avoid.
This is a story from yesterday, CBSnews.com.
The pension crisis promises unkept.
This is from CBS Sunday morning from their Sunday show yesterday.
Not Slay the Nation, but their the Charles Osgood Show.
This is what Governor Walker is trying to avoid, this, the details in this story.
And these idiots protesting are so selfish that they can't even see it.
Here it is.
At age 66, Alfred Arnold considers himself lucky in a way.
In September 2009, when the city of Pritchard, Alabama, suddenly stopped paying pension checks to its retirees.
At least he was able to work as a security guard at a mall in Mobile.
And this past Christmas, instead of exchanging gifts, mall employees gave all the money they would have spent on each other to Alfred and his wife Jackie.
They knew we didn't have a pension, that we weren't getting paid, said Alfred Arnold.
Well, how do you feel?
Oh man, that was devastating.
I almost cried.
Alfred Arnold was Pritchard, Alabama's first black firefighter.
He retired after 35 years as a captain.
If I didn't retire, I might not make it to the next day, going in the fire, you know, it gets too strenuous, you know, so I had to retire because I had heart problems.
His wife worked for the Pritchard Police Department for 40 years and was the city's first female officer.
She said that she retired in June of 2009.
I got two pension checks and nothing after that.
I said, Well, they'll come up with something, but nothing ever happened.
Had it not been for my job at the mall as a security officer, we probably couldn't even eat, said Alfred.
So after 17 months, it's come to this.
The Arnold's and Pritchard's other retirees.
Pritchard, Alabama.
The Arnolds and Pritchard, Alabama's other retirees want to know what's wrong with this picture.
Why handouts?
Why not the pensions they contributed to?
The pension, state law says that Pritchard, Alabama has to pay.
Well, a lawyer, Scott Williams, who represents the city of Pritchard, said you can't draw blood from a turnip.
All the colloquialisms you want to come up with, if the money's not there, we can't pay it.
And this is what Walker, this is what people in Wisconsin and elsewhere, all these other bankrupt states who have unfunded and underfunctioned pen underfunded pensions are trying to avoid the day comes when they can't pay it.
They say, look, you got two options.
We're either at some point down the line gonna not have the money to pay your pension or your health care.
Um we're gonna have to lay you off.
These are the two options.
Now, of course, these people don't believe it.
They think this is just some insensitive Republican trying to force them into poverty and so forth.
But this lawyer for Pritchard, Alabama, said if we took all of the city's money and paid it to the pensioners, we won't have money to pay for the fire department or to keep the street lights on.
Now, Pritchard, Alabama's small to 144 retirees, 27,000 residents.
But what happens in Pritchard is being watched by much larger cities, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Diego to name a few, and by many states.
They would all like nothing better than to dump their staggeringly underfunded pension plans.
Why are they underfunded?
Because the money, they if you give these people a stash of money, they're gonna spend it.
There is no lockbox for Social Security, for example.
There's no lockbox.
You give them the money, they spend it.
That's how you end up in Wisconsin with a $3.6 billion debt.
That's how we have a $14 trillion national debt federally.
So all this money that's been supposedly held aside and invested and so forth for the public employees, it just isn't there.
Still is in Wisconsin, so you got a governor trying to protect it, trying to avoid teachers in Wisconsin being on the street having to go to a mall, get a job as a security guard.
Of course, they're not gonna believe that.
But it's not just Wisconsin.
This is everywhere.
This is this is this is folks.
I hate, you know, this I just I don't know.
I can't.
This is what would scare me to death if I were depending on somebody else.
So I much rather trust myself.
That's why I much rather depend on me.
I know, I know, I know.
Not everybody can.
I know, I know, it's just me, but if if if I paid attention to the news these days, and if I had a state pension and health care benefits, I would be scared to death because my brain would be telling me I'm here in underfunded, unfunded, I'm my brain be telling me the money isn't there.
Money's not there.
All you gotta do is listen to the news.
The money is not there.
And if we've kicked the can down the road for years and years and years, we got to the point we can't kick the can down the road anymore.
That's why these guys who campaign on promises to fix this, get elected, start fixing it.
All hell breaks loose.
Which it is breaking loose.
I don't think it's nearly as bad as it in Wisconsin is being made to look.
We've got the news here about all the fake identities, fake people the Democrats have created to popularize, participate, and hang around social websites.
How many fake protesters are there?
How many fake teachers are actually marching?
Audio sound by time.
Sunday morning ABC is this week with Christiana Manpur.
In the round table, Christian Amman Poor spoke with uh Jonathan Carrell about the union protests in Madison, Wisconsin.
She said, John, is it just about the budget?
Or is Madison Wisconsin got a bigger political implication there?
Look, the president was quicker and more forceful in his denouncement of Governor Scott Walker than he was of in denouncing Hosney Mobar.
I mean, this happened, it was more forcible, it was quicker.
Madison, Wisconsin, the state of Wisconsin, this is arguably ground zero for the 2012 presidential campaign.
Look, this is a state that if President Obama loses, he almost certainly is gonna not win re-election.
Well, I don't know about that.
That could well be the truth, uh, but it is also the truth that he did denounce Walker much faster than he did Mubarak.
And people notice this.
Here's the audio sound bites.
These are the doctors handing out fraudulent medical excuses to striking teachers.
This is Saturday at the protest rallies at the state capitol.
This is a doctor unidentified telling a woman about a false sick form he's giving her so the woman can join the protest.
This thing, I saw it evaluated you, and that I'm excusing you due to a medical condition, nausea, sick of the whole thing, feeling stressed.
Yes.
So sometimes people need to kind of get out of that bad situation.
The beneficial effects of being around other people, the support of you know, community, that's very helpful.
Doctor, here's a doctor telling them how to lie.
I'm gonna lie for you so you can lie.
This is fraud against taxpayers.
I'm gonna lie, so you can lie.
Now, when the patient, the protester asks if he can get in trouble, the doctor says no, no way.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no.
Well, if you missed work and you didn't have a work excuse, you depending on what your contract is, you might have problems with that.
Okay.
But if you miss work and you have a medical excuse, uh, at least as far as I understand, most contracts would say, well, you need a medical excuse if you're gonna miss work.
Okay, you've got a medical excuse.
I'm a licensed physician in this state, and I say that you should be having that time off work to recuperate from this terrible condition.
The terrible condition that you joined willingly.
It's a condition that you did not have to participate in.
Mm-hmm.
So the strike is his horrible medical condition.
Now, last October, ABC's Christian Amanpoor characterized the Tea Party as extreme.
She said that people are looking at the Tea Party and saying this is not conservatism as we know it, but it is extreme.
What the hell is this?
What in the world?
This is outright fraud.
We don't even know if these are real doctors.
Some of them, some of them are, some of them have been tracked down, but maybe some of them aren't.
So much of what happens on the left, so much of the Democrat Party is fakery.
Now, let's look at how Fox and CNN cover the fraudulent doctor story.
First, on Fox, even from Heroldo, you get the truth.
That it is fraud.
Fraud on the streets of Madison, Wisconsin.
Watch as our undercover producer gets a phony sick note from a doctor sympathetic to pro-union demonstrators who have or will be missing work.
However, on state run CNN, the doctors are just helping out.
Doctors are writing notes.
They're helping out the teachers, and there's some um concern that some of those doctors may be putting themselves in jeopardy because they're writing notes for uh teachers who obviously aren't sick.
Very interesting.
Very interesting.
Yeah, doctors are writing notes.
Helping out the teachers.
Uh maybe not sick.
Obviously, very interesting.
Very, very interesting.
These were all conservative doctors, conservative protesters.
You think it'd be very interesting.
It'd be interesting.
being helped out here?
Ha ha!
Fat chance.
According to John Fund of the Wall Street Journal, the real assault this week in Wisconsin against the governor was led by Organizing for America.
This is Obama's 2008 campaign organization, moved to the White House.
It helped fill buses of protesters who flooded the state capital of Madison, ran 15 phone banks urging people to call state legislators.
This is the regime involving itself in the matters of a state.
This is not constitutional.
This is this is this community organizing, it's what it is, community agitating.
And get this from the Associated Press.
Some demonstrators against Governor Scott Walker's budget bill curtailing state workers' union bargaining rights, have been trained to peacefully respond to counter protests at the state capitol.
Chris Terrell of Madison says protesters spending the night inside the Capitol Rotunda were instructed by union members in advance of the arrival of Tea Party activists on Saturday.
Tyrrell said the demonstrators were taught how to remain calm during confrontations and respond to Tea Party activists with specific talking points.
He says union supporters were also told to pay attention to their posture and expression, so their demonstrations can't be construed as violent.
So leftist Democrat union demonstrators had to be taught to be nonviolent.
Had to be taught how to be restrained.
Had to be taught how to be proper and polite.
And they admit it.
AP, very proud of this move.
It's very, very approving, AP is of this story.
To get ready for the Tea Party.
Why?
Because the Tea Party is the epitome of morality, virtue, and decorum.
They know it.
You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
Yeah, kids would be expelled from school if they brought a fake doctor's note.
No question about it.
Now, interesting interesting little statistic here from John Funn's piece, the Wall Street Journal.
For Wisconsin teachers, union dues total between 700 and 1,000 a year.
That's a lot of money.
That is a lot of money.
A thousand dollars could do a lot of things in a family.
Governor Walker is trying to stop this automatic deduction.
One of the things he's trying to do.
As well as uh limit some of the collective bargaining rights of the union, he's trying to stop this automatic dues deduction.
I would think teachers would be thrilled to have control over their own.
In fact, you know, these teachers, what really worries me is this how stupid are these people.
If you're a teacher and you got a pension plan and it depends on your state being solvent, wouldn't you damn well be supporting this governor who wants to maintain your state solvency?
If you have a pension and health care plan and you want it and you want there to be money when it's time to start tapping these things when you retire, wouldn't you want somebody responsible running the show so that the money is there?
Instead of running that guy out of town on the rail.
But you see, it's not about that.
It's not about their pensions.
Well, it is to them personally, but the people organizing them and revving them up here.
It's about Obama.
It's about his reelection.
It's about the Democrat Party, folks, is what this is all about.
The Democrat Party.
This also is an interesting story.
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel from May of 2009.
Governor Jim Doyle said Thursday, we're coming up here basically almost two years ago, May of 2009.
Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle said Thursday that the budget deficit has exploded to up to six and a half billion dollars, an historic gap he wants fixed by laying off up to 1,100 employees, furloughing non-emergency workers eight days a year, rescinding 2% pay raises, and making new cuts in aid to scruels and local governments.
Doyle said the five billion dollar deficit that he and lawmakers faced in March has soared because tax collections are running far below estimates.
I wonder why.
Could be that recession.
How's that hope and change working out for them there?
The potential six and a half billion dollar deficit will occur over a three-year period ending June 3rd.
That deficit now is 3.6 billion, folks.
In one year.
As many as 10,000 non-union state workers will not receive the 2% pay raise they had been scheduled to get in June.
The state will ask union members to reopen contract negotiations to achieve a similar 2% in payroll savings, about 36 million bucks a year.
If the unions don't negotiate the pay cut, about 400 of them be laid off over the next two years.
This is Wisconsin Governor Doyle two years ago.
A new cut of up to 5% will be made in state spending, which Governor Doyle said will force the layoff of about 700 other workers.
Deeper cuts from what the governor proposed in February will be made in aid, public schools, and local governments.
And on health care spending, the size of these new cuts won't be known until the legislative fiscal bureau issues a report.
Now, what's let's get to the all-important employee reaction.
Well, this again, this is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel two years ago.
Because his governor's a Democrat governor asking for union give bags or layoffs or firings or what have you.
Union members realize they're not Immune from bigger economic forces.
They would like to see private contractors who do business with the state make similar concessions, said Brian Kennedy, president of the American Federation of Teachers Wisconsin.
The state should assure that no contracting of uh work performed by state employees can take place while there's a hiring freeze or layoffs of state employees.
Um guy named Polkin who leads the joint finance committee with Senator Mark Miller Democrat called the crisis the economic version of a natural disaster.
Said the lawmakers will look at other ways to fill the budget.
That's all you can find here on the union reaction.
Okay, well, fine.
Uh we know we're not immune from these bigger economic forces.
We'd like to see some similar cuts in the private sector.
But that was the extent of it.
So the previous Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle proposes layoffs, furloughs, and pay raise rescind to close the budget gap.
And all he got in return from the union was union members realize they're not immune from bigger economic forces, but would like to see private contractors who do business with these states who make similar concessions.
Here there's Representative Mark Polcan or poking Democrat Madison, who leads the joint finance committee with Senator Mark Miller of Montana, uh of Monona, rather, two Democrats said, Well, the the crisis is the economic version of a natural disaster.
So they didn't split the scene.
The Democrats didn't take the bus and go home.
They didn't cry about it.
They didn't bring a bunch of protesters into town.
They didn't shut down the schools.
They didn't call Obama bringing organizing for America.
They didn't go out and get SEIU or other union rent a mobs.
They just said, okay, well, yeah, we understand.
We understand.
So when a Democrat governor attacks public sector employees, it's not a big deal.
See, you see, folks, this really isn't even about the union people.
It's not about the teachers.
It's not about we got a Republican governor here.
We've got this this deal here in Wisconsin as far as the ramifications for 2012.
You know what?
We better pray for Governor Walker, and we better hope this guy means it when he says he's sticking to his guns here, because this is the battleground for 2012.
This is going to determine going forward, the relationship between governments and unions, states and so forth, how much power the unions are going to have.
This is going to determine what happens to Wisconsin is going to determine whether states in this country go bankrupt or not.
It's going to determine whether pensions and health care funds remain solvent or not.
Because if this union power is not checked here, if it's not stopped here, if because of uh the economic version of a natural disaster, this is worse now than it was in 2009 when the Democrats in Wisconsin were saying it's just the economic version of a natural disaster.
Let's worse than that now.
That's why I I think this is crucially important what's happening to Wisconsin.
As goes Wisconsin, we'll go the country.
So goes the nation.
That's and Obama's election.
That's why Jonathan Carl said in that soundbite.
Obama loses this state in 2012.
That's why organizing for America is there.
That's why the Union thugs are being busted in.
That's why they're teaching them how to be nonviolent.
Yes, they have to teach them how to be nonviolent.
They do.
Uh, Western Vermont, Pat.
Nice to have you with us, sir, on the program.
Hello.
Well, thank you very much, Rush.
And God bless you.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate that.
I am so relieved that Bush and Clinton have gotten together to get us all together.
How did that Haiti situation work out?
Well, that's uh that that was Clinton in 43 that uh that fixed Haiti.
Now it's it's it's Clinton and 41 are going to fix civility.
Well at the Institute for Civility at the University of Arizona.
Uh-huh.
Well, I hope they can do it because we all need it.
And I, as an conservative up here in Vermont, really need it.
Yeah.
I was going to ask you about that.
Well, I went to my local library and asked for Bush's Bush 43's book, and uh the librarian said To me, well, you know, you must be a Republican because um, well, everybody on the board is a Democrat, and I'm just not sure we're gonna get that book uh for you.
And I looked at her and I said and I did say to her, Well, gosh, the last time I uh looked, I was in uh the United States of America, where I don't think we ban books or burn books, do we?
And she's a lovely lady, and she looked at me and she said, you know, you're right.
And the next day I went into the library, she said, Well, we're gonna get that book for you.
She did.
Yep, she did.
Well, did they?
And so I got it.
Well, how about that?
And it's in the library in Western Vermont now.
Good.
One copy.
One copy of Bush's book.
One copy is available in Vermont.
It well, in the in one library in Vermont.
I'm sure it's one book in Vermont.
Well, probably where they put it, the fiction section, and how hard do you have to look for it once they got it there?
Oh no, no.
She has it right out front, and I'm very grateful.
I go in all the time to use the computer.
Anybody put a Hitler mustache on the cover?
No, not yet.
But I told her I appreciated it, and somebody will probably take it out.
Some I think there are a few of us.
There are only six hundred in our town, and there are a few Republicans.
Not many.
Well, look, Pat, I appreciate the call.
I um I've I've uh I've been to Vermont.
I went up there once to play golf.
It's lovely for golf.
It was.
It was very uh very, very pretty.
Well, it's a beautiful state and lovely people, and the true Vermonters are just uh salt of the earth, hardworking, lovely people.
But we have a lot of people from other places.
Yeah.
Um yeah, and those are the communists.
Well, well, I know a lot of them.
They're nice too.
Just kidding.
I'm just look, I appreciate the call, Pat.
Thanks for us.
Congratulations on getting the book.
Well, thank you so much, and it was a wonderful book.
He's a very prayerful man, and I appreciate it.
You bet.
Thanks very much.
Justice Brothers, by the way, in Wisconsin.
According to the Communist Party USA, uh one of their uh publications, the uh uh Reverend Jacks called what is happening in Madison a Martin Luther King moment and a Gandhi moment.
That's how the uh Reverend Jackson referred to what's happening in Madison, Wisconsin.
What a what a sense of history, the Reverend Jackson has.
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Listen to a little bit of Scott Walker here on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.
Question those 14 Democrats who fled Wisconsin to avoid the block of vote, all that.
Would you sit down with them?
They come back if you sit down with them, work out a compromise.
The deal would be the unions agree on the money issue, but they keep their collective bargaining rights.
Governor, you're willing to do that.
Well, no, first off, the Senate Democrats should realize uh if you want to participate in democracy, uh, you gotta be in the arena.
And the arena is right here in Madison, Wisconsin.
It's not hiding out in Rockford, Illinois or Chicago or anywhere else out there.
Democracy means you show up and participate.
And and they failed to do that.
They're walking out on their job, we're broke.
It's about time somebody stood up and told the truth.
And the only way for us to balance the budget, not only at the state level, but at the local level, is to make sure we give those local governments the tools they need to balance the budget, and that's what we're proposing.
Chris Wallace says, Well, what if they don't come back?
Democracy is not about hiding out in another state.
It's about showing up here in the Capitol and making the case there.
And and for us, we're willing to take this as long as it takes, because in the end, we're doing the right thing.
We're doing the right thing for Wisconsin.
We're leading the way as we did in the past in Wisconsin on reform.
We're leading the way again when it comes to budgetary reform.
And for us, we have to do this.
Again, we've had for decades, we've had the leaders, Republicans and Democrats alike, who pushed off the problems.
Well, there's no place to push them off to.
Finally, Chris Wallace says, Well, what do you think about Obama's political arm?
Organizing for America, taking a role and mobilizing some of your opposition.
The president ultimately should stay focused on fixing the federal budget because they've got a huge deficit.
And believe me, they got their hands full, they're far from getting accomplished in Washington.
There are five and a half million people in this state.
Taxpayers who by and large are sacrificing in their own jobs in the private sector, paying much more than the 5.8% for pension and the 12.6% for health care I'm asking for.
In fact, many cases two or three times that amount.
They've made tough sacrifices to balance the budgets in their communities and their homes and in their businesses.
I think it is realistic to make sure that as loud as the voices are in the Capitol, we don't let them overpower the voices of the taxpayers I was elected to represent and elected to get the job done, which is balancing this budget.
He is telling Obama to stay out of there.
You've got your own problems, and you ain't having a whole lot of success fixing your own problems.
Leave me to fix mine.
Stay out of here.
That's Governor Walker.
Not backing down in Wisconsin.
You Senate Democrats from Wisconsin.
I know you're listening.
I just want to remind you of something.
Even Obama had the courage to show up and at least vote present all those times.
At least Obama had the courage to show up.
We'll be back right after this, my friend, to the EIB network.
Sit tight.
Five and a half million people in Wisconsin, 30,000 state employees, and according to my math, which is always suspect.
That means there's a government employee for every 183 citizens in Wisconsin.
They really need all those government employees, one for every 183 citizens.
We all pay for it.
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