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May 28, 2010 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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May 28, 2010, Friday, Hour #2
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I figure why waste time introing what you already know.
Welcome back.
Rush Limbaugh and the Excellence in Broadcasting Network.
Open line Friday when we go to the phones.
You get to speak whatever you want to speak about.
Not the case Monday through Thursday.
Telephone number is 800-282-2882, the email address El Rushbo at eibnet.com.
Our previous caller, young college student, talked about George Kennan.
You know, George Kennan was the author of, under the title of the pseudonym Mr. X in foreign affairs, an article in foreign affairs.
He was the father of containment.
The sources of Soviet conflict was the title of his piece in foreign affairs.
And in a nutshell, George Kennan, and he was, he was revered.
I mean, George Kennan was the model diplomat.
He served as the role model for all kinds of striped pants people in the State Department and so forth.
And in a nutshell, George Kennan claimed that the Soviets only wanted to expand out of feelings of insecurity.
The Soviets were not bad people.
The Soviets did not have grand designs on domination.
They were very insecure.
We had to understand that they just had massive insecurities and they were trying to expand based on that, try to give themselves self-esteem.
And he said with diplomacy, with diplomacy, we could contain the Soviet Union.
Now, the left just lapped this up.
They didn't want to hear anything about military action, direct conflict with the Soviet Union.
They wanted to appease him.
Besides, in many sectors of this country, even back then, we're talking 40s and 50s now.
Even back then, there were people in this country who admired communism and thought that it was the only fair way for human beings to organize their affairs.
Capitalism was institutionally unfair because there were winners and losers, and it's just not right.
It's not right that people should have so much when some people have so little.
He did favor military force if necessary, but it was not at the top of his list of things.
He favored employing political and economic rather than military methods as the chief agent of containment.
I think our young caller was meaning to compare this approach to Obama's toward the expansion of Islam and Muslim extremism around the world.
But you got to give Kennan some credit at the same time.
Kennan did believe that we should try to contain the Soviet Union, which made him hated by a lot of the left, as probably a step up from Obama's policy toward Islamic extremism.
But a typical example of George Kennan's thinking was to withdraw all U.S. troops in Europe so that Stalin wouldn't have anything to make him feel insecure.
Well, but the left still, the left, yeah, he was, but the left didn't trust him.
He was a leftist himself, but the left at the time didn't, he's now revered.
I mean, but he didn't, he wanted all troops pulled out of Western Europe.
He didn't want Eastern Europe.
He didn't want anything to expand the insecurity of Stalin because they were only acting out of insecurity.
Kennan claimed that Stalin would relax his grip on the Eastern European satellite countries.
That's how deluded he was.
And he was deluded, but he's the godfather.
I mean, for the longest time, George Kennan was the model.
He was, I can't, my words are failing me here to describe the impact George Kennan had on the whole concept of diplomacy.
Sort of like John Mader Keynes and economics.
And we're paying the price for Keynesian economics all over the world today.
All over the world, we're paying the price for it.
Anyway, that's just to refresh your memory, or inform you if you don't know who George Kennan was.
And I'm glad that our young students learning about the guy and he's learning properly.
I think his now, if you want to compare, this is the thing about Kennan, because it's confusing.
The sources of Soviet conduct was written in 1947.
By today's standards, George Kennan would be considered a hawk.
That's how far the left, that's how pacifist and appeasement-oriented today's left has become.
I mean, Kennan was never in favor of embracing people like Castro or going out and applauding Castro from the floor of the House of Representatives or what have you.
He recognized they were bad people.
He just thought that his assessment of how to contain them was incorrect.
He did not say that they were inherently bad or evil people.
They're just insecure.
Which, of course, was not the case.
And Kennan also was, if you want to know, he was one of the foremost intellectual architects in the Marshall Plan.
The Marshall Plan is where we rebuilt Europe after World War II.
So he's, I'm glad the caller mentioned George Kennan because I haven't heard that name and I don't know how long.
Throughout the 80s and even mostly the 80s when the Cold War was hot and when Reagan came along, that's when George Keenan's stature rose again.
Because Reagan, oh no, Reagan's going to wipe these guys out.
They chose the bombing starts in five minutes.
And that wasn't containment.
You know, that was, they feared annihilation where, of course, the Soviets would fire back and we would lose.
Well, I'm not going to say to criticize the Marshall Plan.
It's a done deal.
It's over and done with.
I think I would have to say that the roots, in my humble opinion, just off the top of my fertile mind, since you've asked me, sternly just want what I think of the Marshall Plan.
I would bet you that we could commission a study and we would find that the building blocks of Western European socialism are intricately bound to the Marshall Plan.
You remember Churchill, Churchill victorious, World War II, and two months later he's voted out of office because he was perceived and Thatcher, there's a great story on this in the American Spectator today.
Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill contrasts in conservatives.
And it's a study for anybody who wants to study conservatism today, which model to take.
Churchill basically threw it away to appease in the aftermath of World War II.
So the Marshall Plan comes along and we basically rebuilt the place and it was a giant welfare project, maybe born of good intentions.
I mean, the place had been destroyed.
But has anybody ever rebuilt us?
We've done it ourselves.
So I've always been suspicious of the Marshall Plan as having a, I don't know to what impact and how big a role, but clearly European socialism has been on the march for many, many, many, many moons, a long, I mean, years, decades before it began its fervent march here.
Now, moving on to other things.
This is a story from, where's this from?
Cybercast News Service.
Changing gears here.
Heading up the middle-class task force roundtable discussion.
You know who heads that?
The middle-class task force.
That's Joe Biden.
Obama appointed Biden to head the middle-class tax task force.
So they had a roundtable discussion on Wednesday, and Biden said, get this.
Biden said, one of the benefits of the $787 billion Porculus package is that it has generated new ideas for dealing with economic problems, including unemployment.
Biden said that he and Melody Barnes, the White House Domestic Policy Council director, have talked at length about ways to generate new ideas about how to deal with future employment needs.
We have new ideas about how to spend government money wisely thanks to the stimulus plan.
He said there was virtually no fraud associated with the spending so far.
The whole thing is fraud.
Virtually no fraud.
I might add, I'm very proud to say that there's been virtually no knock on wood, virtually no fraud associated with the $787 billion program overall, Biden said as he banged his fist on the table and against his head, which is wooden.
So that's why he's knocking on wood.
So we were only buying ideas.
The stimulus was to give us new ideas on how to fix unemployment and to spend government money more wisely.
It wasn't to solve jobs or create jobs.
Who knew?
Who the hell knew?
Open line Friday, back to the phones we go.
Oh, one more thing about, you asked me about the Marshall Plan.
And George Kennan, the thing you have to say about George Kennan and the reason why he was so revered with all these other contradictory things about him, he never ever wanted to defeat the Soviets.
He wanted to contain them.
And as you know, that became the Bible of our foreign policy with the Soviets.
Contain them.
Balance of power.
What's your name, idiot?
Madeleine Albright.
We need two or three more superpowers.
We can't be the lone superpower.
We need another superpower so that it's balanced out out there.
So making no moral distinction between the good guys and the bad guys.
No matter the United States is an agent for good in the world, an agent for decency, we need a competing superpower to keep ourselves in check.
I mean, that was the thinking.
And you can see the survival of the George Kennan belief system and containment.
What are we doing with Iran?
What are we doing in North Korea?
We're trying to contain them.
And we're trying to contain Al-Qaeda.
Although, with Al-Qaeda, we are going to war with them at various places, but we're not trying to wipe them out.
We're trying to contain them into certain countries, areas of certain countries.
Now, the Marshall Plan, at the time the Marshall Plan was underway, it was criticized For not eliminating central planning.
The Marshall Plan kept in place the whole central planning concept there.
It was criticized for not eliminating central planning and restoring a market economy in Europe.
It didn't do that, especially in those countries which had adopted more fascist and corporatist economic policies.
So it was a money giveaway.
We're going to rebuild you, but we didn't require any change.
I know the Marshall.
You start criticizing the Marshall Plan, and I guarantee you that these little elves in the left are going to come bopping out of their little moleholes and go nuts here because the Marshall Plan, you know, to the left, criticizing that is like criticizing the virgin birth.
You know, you just don't do it.
Yeah, I don't.
Well, we were all taught it's one of the greatest accomplishments.
Well, just in the strict sense of what was accomplished, it was.
Look at what we did.
We rebuilt a totally destroyed continent.
But we rebuilt it as it was.
So that's why I say the Marshall Plan helped cement the whole notion of European socialism.
They just got to sat around and soak it all up.
They have to do anything for it.
In fact, it required us to bail them out of the war in the first place.
Anyway, Keith, Lancaster, California.
I'm glad you waited.
You're on Open Line Friday.
Great to have you here.
Thank you very much for having me, Rush.
I want to talk a little bit about Arizona.
And first of all, I want to say that this boycotting of Arizona is nothing but propaganda.
Second of all, I think Naira Varagosa and Barbara Boxer and Nancy Glossy and the gang are all pickpocketing these people that can come and go across the border.
And I consider that slavery because they pay into our system and they don't collect the benefits.
So I consider that slavery in my book.
You mean you're accusing leftist supporters of illegal immigration of being slave traders?
That's correct.
Because they don't pay them very much money.
And they pay into our system and they don't get the benefits.
Well, see, that's where a lot of people would disagree with you.
In California, they actually had a ballot initiative to eliminate welfare payments, education, healthcare benefits to illegals.
And it won.
And a federal judge overturned it, said it was unconstitutional.
I think a lot of people, one of the problems with illegal immigration, is they do get the benefits.
And they're not paying anything for them.
Well, I don't know.
I just kind of feel that these people come across and they keep, you know, I feel that the Obama administration and all that want these people to come and go across the border as they please.
So they work in this country and they can pick their pocket and take their money.
And I just feel that to me that's fairly in this country.
I don't know they're picking their pockets.
There's not much in their pockets.
Whatever they earn, they send back home.
No, I'm not trying to be funny.
That's why they're coming here.
They don't have much in their pockets.
There's one reason that the political class wants these people here.
And it's not complicated.
In fact, it's so simple that it's unbelievable.
They want their votes.
If not their votes, they want the votes of their ethnic brothers and sisters, the Hispanic population.
You can see it in Dingy Harry, Dingy Harry in big trouble in Nevada.
And now they're pushing for the amnesty bill.
And Dingy Harry's theory is that he'll benefit greatly and be supported by Hispanic voters in Nevada because he's for amnesty for their brothers and sisters.
It's all about votes, and especially Obama.
Look at, I don't care what public face they put on it.
They can read the polls and they know that they're toast in November.
I mean, even now, 63%, for example, of Americans want to repeal health care.
The momentum against it is growing.
In fact, I've got a story here in the stack about one state that's going to, I'll have to find it during the break.
I don't want to waste time now.
One state is going to try to invalidate it on the merits of it.
But the easiest way to understand illegal immigration is this.
And why the political class doesn't want to do anything about it.
Right now, the theory is that over 50% of Hispanic voters vote Democrat.
If it were otherwise, if polling data indicated that the arriving illegals were over 50 or 60% prone to vote Republican, there would already be deportation going on.
Numerous Acela trains and tracks would have been built.
One-way trips from Phoenix, San Diego, San Antonio, Ciudad Juarez, El Paso, all the way down past Mexico City, all the way past Nicaragua, all the way down to Peru.
If they were going to vote Republican.
But since they're going to vote Democrat, the Democrat Party is going to treat them as a domestic minority, victims of a mean-spirited, racist, and bigoted majority in this country.
They're just searching for a better life.
Who are you to deny them a better life?
If they wanted a better life as Republicans, nobody gave a rat's rear end about their quest for a better life.
Now, the Republicans, well, what about the Republicans?
Because the Republicans think there's a chance to get them.
Republicans, look at the Republicans' efforts in 2007 to support amnesty.
If we show them, Limbo, if we show them, we're on their side, they be vote fresh.
We need to vote you.
We can't let the Democrats have them.
So it's the political class lined up against the American people, as always.
And no need to think about it.
We redefine HIP on the radio.
Illegal immigrants send more than $30 billion a year back to Mexico.
They're nothing in their pockets to pick.
Now, a way to understand amnesty out there, amnesty is the single largest voter drive in American history.
That's all you need to know about it.
That's all it is, folks.
It's not based on anything humanitarian.
It's not based on anything oriented toward, they just want a better life.
It's not based on we in America want to share our bounty and open our doors to all who want to be.
It's not about that at all.
Amnesty is the single largest voter drive in the history of the United States.
Don't doubt me.
It sounds so simple that you say, it can't be that.
And oftentimes, ladies and gentlemen, the simplest explanation is what's correct precisely because it is simple.
Here's the story.
It's, where's this from?
I don't even know where this is from.
Oh, life site news.
Voters in Oklahoma will be given a chance in November to decide whether they want to reject the core of the recently enacted national health care reform, which includes taxpayer-funded abortion and requires individuals to buy health insurance or pay a penalty thanks to a legislative action to bypass the objections of the pro-abortion Democrat governor Brad Henry.
So in November, voters will be allowed the chance to nullify the federal health care law.
And I predict massive and record turnout in Oklahoma in November.
Here is Richard in Cincinnati.
Richard, great to have you on the EIB network.
Great to have you here.
Thanks, Rush.
Thanks for taking my call.
You bet.
I'd like to make a comment about Joe Sestac.
You know, I was just thinking over the weekend here, Memorial Day, our fallen heroes.
We have this retired admiral that more than likely made decisions and put lives on the line.
And I got to wondering, you know, what if our soldiers out there came into fire or something and decided to save their own butts as opposed to doing what they go in there for, which is to protect freedom and stuff.
And now we've got this retired admiral that seems to be selling out to save his own skin.
And it's just, you know, it just kind of makes me a little bit angry about it.
I hope he's listening.
But I mean, the man is, to me, he's a coward and a disgrace, and he needs to really come clean.
Well, here's what happened.
And I've been hearing this ever since this story broke.
And when I brought it up to people, come on, Rush, this is how Washington worked.
This is nothing new.
People are offered patronage jobs or bribewood jobs all the time.
You know that.
Look at all these Democrats that are retiring.
David Obie, you think he's leaving for nothing?
Of course, he's going to be rewarded for all his work.
You're going to get a lobbying job.
I said, yeah, but SESTAC broke the code.
SESTAC said he was offered.
Nobody talks about it.
It's always been something.
Yeah, it happens.
We just assume it.
That SESTAC went out there and he broke the code by saying it.
And then he realized he broke the code when he said it because then the onus was on him.
Now, he didn't lie.
He didn't lie, but it was thought maybe he was lying or somebody in the White House was.
And then they all figured out, you know what?
This is an impeachable offense.
So they have been working hard trying to massage this.
And interestingly, trying to massage it, who do they go to?
Bill Clinton.
Have lunch yesterday with Clinton.
And they come up with this.
Look, as I said at the top of the program, it never hurts to find a guy who has been willing to commit perjury before to come out and cover your rear end on something like this.
So this notion that the job was didn't require any compensation, if it's a high-ranking and important job and it's unpaid, then how in the world can it be high-ranking?
I think SESTAC probably spoke out of turn because he's an academy grad.
He is an honorable guy.
He said, I was offered a gig.
So he broke the code.
You let the cat out of the bag.
And everybody's going, God, what the hell did he do?
Gee, what kind of mess are we in?
So they've been circling the wagons, and this is what they've come up with.
And SESTAC has said, I'm saying nothing.
Whatever the White House Counsel's Office says, that's my version too.
Here's, Looks like Jerstian in Kirsten.
Kirsten in Omaha.
Great to have you on the program.
Hi, Rush.
It's actually Chairston, but no one ever gets it.
It's such an honor to talk to you.
Thank you very much.
I just wanted to let you know, I was thinking about that eight-week listening challenge you talked about.
And I wanted to tell you that I grew up a Rush baby.
My brother and I were homeschooled, and part of our program was daily listening to you.
And I went off to college, and the whole liberal environment kind of changed my perception on things.
And I know my mom was in the background just waiting for me to come back.
So when I graduated, she gave me Rush 24-7 for graduation, and I started listening.
I was pretty negative about it in the beginning, but she paid for it, and I said, whatever, I'll listen.
I started listening, and I have been a renewed Rush fan all over again.
And I just want you to know how much we appreciate you out here and what you've done and what you do and continue to do.
And there are people in my generation who have their heads on straight, and I just want that to be motivated for others.
Fascinating story.
Yeah.
Justin, I got to ask you a question.
There's a question that no man is ever supposed to ask.
Okay.
How old are you?
I will be 27 in 15 days.
27 in 15 days.
Yes.
By the way, in under 10 years, you'll not know how many days it's going to be until you're 37.
You'll not be thinking.
Well, actually, I will because 27 already seems bad enough.
Now, but it only gets better.
It only gets better just on telling me.
Life is only gets better as you're going to.
But here's what's fascinating to me is, so you were a Rush baby.
When you were growing up, as part of your homeschooling, this radio program was part of the curriculum.
Were you an avid supporter or was it just something like a class that you had to take, but you weren't really crazy about it?
You know what?
It was so, and even at that young age, it was so entertaining because I just remember a lot of the different little parodies you would do and the little songs you would do.
And you would always listen and sing to them.
Right, right, right, right.
We actually enjoyed.
I don't remember a whole lot about the particulars of the politics at the time, but it just became kind of one of the things we did.
And I learned a lot about politics that way.
This is what fascinates me about this.
What fascinates me about this is that you had years and years and years of daily exposure, focus, attention to this program.
And yet when you went away to Scruel, when you went away to college, they were able to, it seems rather easily deprogram you.
Yeah, well, I was there for seven years because I actually went on and got a lot of people.
Yeah, but it didn't take them all seven years, did it?
No.
And, you know, that's so true.
And the whole young skull is full of mush thing.
My mom would say that, and I would be so angry with her because I'm like, I worked really hard in school.
And I think that's a good idea.
Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, how did this happen?
I mean, you left home perfectly well-rounded, perfectly informed.
You were happy with what you knew.
And then somehow you ended up getting corrupted.
Have you asked yourself how this happened?
Oh, it's obvious.
College in general is a liberal, liberal environment from really one point of view.
Yeah, but it overcame you.
You didn't resist it.
No, it's kind of almost, I did, but I wasn't able to really express myself.
For instance, you know, in one of my classes, we were forced to write about something.
There was no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
And I disagreed with it completely.
And we had to put it in a positive perspective.
And I felt like it was just totally inappropriate.
And it was one of those things where instead of resisting because it was too much work, you're not going to get the grade.
You may as well just do it the way they want.
Plus, you're probably at a lot of peer pressure from your other students.
Right.
Well, I mean, they would even ask us, like, I remember during the Bush Gore presidency, we were in class, one of the most liberal professors I ever had, and he asked out loud, like, who's voting for Bush?
And, you know, people raised their hands, and then the other people raised their hands for Kerry.
And he was furious.
Like, class was over early because he was mad that more people were going to vote for Bush.
And he expressed that.
It was the craziest thing I've ever.
And this is Omaha, Nebraska.
It's a pretty conservative area, you know?
Well, thank goodness for the persistence of your mother.
Yes.
She really cared.
She bought you a 24-7 subscription when you got back.
And you resisted that.
A little bit, because I, you know, the word out there about you is that you are just super opinionated and you don't even know what you're talking about.
You're just making stuff up and whatever else.
And so I just was kind of caught up in all of that.
I'm like, whatever, you know, this isn't going to be.
Yeah, but this is fascinating because you never thought that while you were enlisted, you liked it.
You're very entertaining and so forth.
I am super opinionated, but I'm not wrong.
And as you know, I don't make things up.
And it's the fact that I am super opinionated that rubs people the wrong way.
See, I think one of the primary reasons that there is, especially in our current PC culture, why there is such opposition to me is not just that I'm right, but it's that I sound so sure of myself when I'm right.
And nobody's supposed to be that sure of themselves.
Nobody.
I mean, there's always got to be some doubt.
There's always, there's always some value in the opposing point of view.
You've got to have some, you can't just, and of course, I think, no, there's nothing worthwhile about liberalism.
And, well, that's close mind.
You can't say that.
Nobody's supposed to be that sure of themselves.
And it just happens to, it makes people feel inferior is what happens.
And nobody wants to feel inferior except the Soviets.
Back after this.
Stay with us.
Okay, Ed, let's go back to the audio sound bites here.
Audio soundbite number 13.
A little disappointment out there yesterday in the mainstream media, the state control media, after the Obama presser.
They were not happy.
They were expecting competence, and they got wandering aimlessly through sludge.
And now they know they were deceived, that there was no top-kill process going on, much less anywhere near success.
While a press conference was taking place after the press conference yesterday, Andrea Mitchell, NBC Neils in Washington, who I just saw, she looks 21 today.
Years old, she looks 21.
Andrea Mitchell looks 21 today.
Andrea Mitchell, NBC Neals in Washington, spoke with Chris Matthews about the crest oppressor.
And she said, how important is this presentation today for the president to show passion, to show he cares, to show engagement?
This president has not acted that way.
He has not acted like this is more important than something else like a fundraiser in California or an interview about basketball with Marv Alpert.
He doesn't seem to be taking ownership.
Presidents must seize control when something like this happens.
I think this is more like the Iranian hostage crisis that brought down Jimmy Carter than Katrina.
Oh, so we've gone from the tingle up the leg to Jimmy Carter and the Iranian hostage crisis.
Now, if you listen to this show, you will literally be years ahead of the rest of the media.
May 13th, 2008, I talking about Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Barack Obama is nothing more than Jimmy Carter serving his second term.
The bottom line to all this is that there's nothing new about Barack Obama.
Zilch Zero Nada.
In fact, it was all tried before 1976 through 1980.
We needed something called the Misery Index to be able to categorize just how rotten things got under Jimmy Carter.
Now, May 13th of 2008 is still during the campaign.
Operation Chaos is still going on.
Obama has not even assumed orifice.
He has not yet been emaculated.
He hasn't done anything.
He hasn't started the stimulus.
He hasn't done one thing to destroy the economy.
And yet I was predicting May 13th, 2008, Jimmy Carter's second term.
Has that not happened?
See, and this is what I am so sure of myself.
And that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
You're not supposed to be that sure of yourself.
James Carville last night's CNN Anderson Cooper 174.
Cooper said to Carvel, what did you think about the Democratic strategist?
What do you think about what the president said?
I didn't think it was a good press conference.
I'll be on switch.
I was not.
And I don't think anybody else did either.
Play that again.
It went by pretty quickly out there.
This is James Carville last night.
Anderson Cooper 127.
I didn't think it was a good press conference.
I'll be on switch.
I was not.
And I don't think anybody else did either.
I don't think anybody else did either.
Late yesterday afternoon at Washington, the White House, President Obama spoke at a reception honoring Jewish American Heritage Month, a portion of Israel.
This is after the press conference.
Ceremonial events, bad jokes.
The oil continues to spill.
We've got senators and representatives.
We've got Supreme Court justices and successful entrepreneurs, rabbinical scholars, Olympic athletes, and Sandy Kolfax.
Sandy and I actually have something in common.
We are both lefties.
He can't pitch on Yom Kippur.
I can't pitch.
What a funny guy.
Bobby Jindal this morning on TV.
This oil spill is another huge challenge for our state.
It threatens literally our way of life, presents its own set of challenges.
I know folks in D.C. are trying to point fingers and figure out the politics.
I really don't care.
What I care about is stopping this oil off our coast.
What is clear to me is there hasn't been the sense of urgency.
There hasn't been the resources.
Bobby Jindal, just get out of my way.
You know, if you want to tell jokes about Sandy Koufax, how you can't pitch, go right ahead.
Karen Chitri then says, well, explain a little bit about what you're trying to get the federal government to understand and to approve.
Wait a minute, I thought the federal government understood everything, Kieran.
This is Obama.
He can lower the seas.
And yet she's asking Bobby Jindal, what are you trying to get the federal government to understand and to approve?
The most important thing to me is get us the permit, get us the dredges.
Most important thing to me is get us the local decision-making authorities.
We don't have to wait.
Get us the additional boom and skimmers.
Give us, in other words, the tools to help us help ourselves fight this oil and keep it off our coast.
Bobby Jindal, the governor of Louisiana, wants to go into action, wants to head into action but can't get permission from Obama because out there having press conferences with Sandy Koufax.
You know, Obama and Koufax have another thing in common.
They're both famous for no-hitters and for strikeouts.
Yeah, you know, we were promised a Messiah, and all we got was the mess.
We're still waiting on the ayah.
Right on cube, by the way, SESTAC has just issued a statement confirming what the White House has released.
Last summer, I received a phone call from President Clinton.
He said the White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had spoken with him about my being on a presidential board while remaining in the House of Representatives.
A presidential board.
That's impressive and tempting.
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