Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24 7 Podcast.
Thanks one and all.
Much, much appreciated.
It's an opportunity for us to get together here on this, the 30th day of December.
I'm enormously proud to be here in the Rush fill-in seat.
It is a joy and a pleasure.
And we have the opportunity today to talk about a lot of different things.
We have a terrorist incident on Christmas Day, on Christmas Day now, that has galvanized all of us.
We have this Nigerian fellow who has seen fit to try to blow up a plane load of people.
And in my column in the Dallas Morning News today, we have uh well, I took the opportunity to weigh in on a couple of things that that even though he failed to explode the plane, there are a couple of myths that uh that can be exploded by this event.
The things that can be exploded, the myths that can be exploded, include the notion that terrorism is a product of um despair or socioeconomics, or a poor education system in the portion of the world where it uh is often found most frequently.
Uh, this was a well-to-do uh fellow.
This was a well-educated man, and uh all of the excuse making, which is kind of a cousin of the domestic excuse making, in which uh we've heard for years that poverty causes crime.
We didn't have enormous crime waves during the Great Depression when and in fact crime around America right now seems to be getting better in a whole lot of large cities and elsewhere.
So the notion that poverty instantly causes crime is a close cousin to this.
And the modern incarnation of this is that uh terrorism uh is just what happens.
It's a natural extension of what happens when uh you have people who are desperate enough or undereducated enough, or uh just in certain parts of the world where the economy is is so terrible that terrorism can be a natural extension of that.
No.
Just as crime is a moral uh and character issue, terrorism is an issue of evil, evil behavior sparked by hate.
It knows no socioeconomic bounds.
It knows no educational bounds, uh, whether the terrorist is uh well-to-do or dirt poor, whether the terrorist is stone cold illiterate or a man of letters, uh, the brand of hatred that comes from the portion of the Islamic faith that seeks to kill us where we stand.
That is what makes terrorists.
So on Christmas Day, we have the event.
Umar Farouk Abdul Mutalab, who now says, and I love this, that they've been finding all of his postings, and it turns out that get ready for the next excuse.
We have discovered that he is depressed and lonely.
Poor baby.
Poor baby.
He's depressed and lonely.
Really.
Well, I think a lot of us have been depressed and lonely at various points of uh our lives, and at no point has depression or loneliness spurred most people to say, you know, the natural extension of depression and loneliness is I'm gonna blow up a plane with two hundred and some people on it.
That's just what you do when you're a depressed, b, lonely, you know, socioeconomically challenged, or uh or in a part of the world where the education system isn't so great.
Well, well none of this matters.
None of this matters, and all of the aftermath, all of the analysis of the that have filled the days since this uh Northwest Airlines 253 near disaster, uh has been filled with the kind of excuse making there there has been sociological excuse making.
There has been political excuse making.
And on that day, and let me just tell you, that this is it's a joy to come out of vacation mode to do a show because uh invariably, every talk show host will tell you this.
And I join you from the uh from the proud Rush Limbaugh affiliate of WBAP in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas, uh, which for the last few years, for the last few days rather, has been snowy for the uh first white Christmas in since 1926.
So you all may take it for granted wherever you are, but we don't down here, and we've had a delightful holiday season.
And I was very deep in holiday mode, which for me involves paying almost no attention to the news.
But obviously, as Christmas Day, you know, came and went, uh, knowing that I was going to come in and fill in for Rush on this particular Wednesday, you know, you start paying attention to stuff, so you hit the ground running for the Wednesday Rush Limbaugh show.
And so I've been paying attention, not just to the events of that day, but to what everybody's been saying since.
And on that day, I remember someone, we just had a bunch of family over the house, and someone said they will find a way.
They will find a way to blame Bush for this.
They will somehow find a way, as Secretary Napolitano endures an enormous amount of deserved heat for uh just an inconceivable Sunday comment.
Uh Jake Tapper was filling in for Stephanopoulos on ABC's this week and said, Hey, the system worked.
I guess she meant that as soon as the flames had been doused and the uh the terrorist properly restrained, the system worked.
Well, uh lovely.
Uh the system needs to work earlier than that.
So among the the other myth that's exploded, the first having been that terrorism is a uh an automatic extension of desperation or socioeconomic levels or whatever, uh the other uh myth that is properly exploded has to do with the way these things uh uh come to pass.
And the way these things come to pass is holes in the system.
So the second myth that is hereby exploded, and thank heaven the plane was not, but the second myth that is exploded if we only have the spine to pay attention, is that this kabuki dance, the familiar metaphor of what we all have to do at the airport, that this notion of you know, whipping off our shoes and whipping off our belts and making sure that only three ounces of liquid are in this kind of ziploc bag, the absurd notion that this works.
The absurd notion that this works.
Now it is possible that as soon as the good folks at the TSA, and those are good hardworking folks, and we need to spend some time today talking about whether they should be unionized, that would be no.
Uh Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina is holding up a new TSA chief b because of questions over whether there is an urge, a fetish for unionization there, which you almost always get from Democrats, and Senator DeMint is properly concerned that this uh uh well,
and God bless hardworking members of some unions, as this is not a total broad brush statement, but unionization, especially in its modern incarnation, is not exactly known for adding to efficiency, adding to customer service, adding to the quality of work being done.
And there is nowhere where the quality of work being done is of greater vital importance than uh than airport screening.
So we'll we'll talk a little bit about that later in the show.
But the so the second myth that's exploded is that the system somehow works.
So how do we get the system to work?
Some of it is technology related.
Some of it is attitude related.
We have a lot of technology involved in screening people at airports.
We have uh these full body scanners, Drudge had a fascinating uh it's kind of funny.
I tend to like the idea of the full body scan until it's me.
You know the notion of uh of all of that.
And it it it's it's not like a big naked picture of you in front of the uh of the TSA.
Uh a screener of the moment.
It's it's vague, it's blurry.
But I'll tell you what, it will show if you got uh a pantload of explosives.
And it would have caught this guy.
So the instant question is, well, why don't we just have uh uh uh uh uh uh a ton of these?
Why don't we have uh full body scans at every gate, every international flight or you know, flights coming to America from Amsterdam or anywhere Else.
And then you get into the hard cold question of money.
It's because those full body scanners are expensive.
I mean, they are really expensive.
So you then get to the golden question, what price security?
And as soon as anybody says that we don't have enough money to do something, any time anyone says that we don't have enough money to do something, it's it's reflexive with me now.
I instantly snap back to the enormous amount of money that we waste every second of every minute of every hour of every day.
And if we cut spending to the degree that the founding fathers envisioned, if we had a government that was the size envisioned by our founding fathers, I mean commensurate with the growth of the nation.
Obviously, in the late 18th century, he could run the entire United States government on a system that would probably run the state of Connecticut right now, just to pick a state.
Obviously, the country gets bigger, we have more people, we have more needs, but the Constitution tells us what government is supposed to do.
If we were doing only that, with the amount of money that they uh highway rob us for every year, we could pay we could pay for every bit of technology that you could possibly need.
Every bit of airport screening technology you could need to find the next Abdul Mutalab to find the next 911 guys to f because there will be more.
There will be more, which leads me directly to the attitudinal point.
The reason we know there will be more attempts like this is because we are not in a war footing with them, even though they are in a war footing with us.
Charles Crowdhammer, one of my favorite writers, thinkers, people, uh, is celebrating 25 years of writing columns this year.
His first column, Washington Post, 1984.
And I went back and revisited some of those, and in fact, I I tell you what, I'm gonna hit the first break here and give you the phone number.
You know that, 1800-282-2882, 1800-282-2882.
And I may share a portion of his column that he wrote in 911, on the occasion of 911, it ran in the Washington Post like that Friday or something, the 14th.
And it contains wisdom about what it means to be on a war footing, which we are not.
And part and and it's the easiest, most generic thing to do would be to say that's all Obama's fault, and a lot of it is, but as a society, as a culture, as a people, we don't walk around with the earth.
And this was true under President Bush, who nobly kept the pedal to the metal for a war that grew unpopular.
But it's our fault that it grew unpopular.
We they'll they're happy to be at war with us for 5,000 years.
We got tired after about three.
That's not good when that happens.
That's not how you win wars.
And I know it's a different kind of war.
I know we're not at war with Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, and I know that that's different, and this one's more vague in the definition of victory, more elusive.
I know, I know, I know.
But one thing that I also know, and that you'd better know, is that if we fail to maintain a war footing, if we recognize that these are not, you know, white-collar crimes to be prosecuted, but these are enemies to be obliterated until the enemy recognizes that we have that attitude, they will know that we are soft.
They will know that we are vulnerable.
And part of it doesn't necessarily have to do with spine and and and vigor in in fighting a war and staying on a war footing.
Some of it seems to be either American nature or human nature.
We cope too well.
We we want things to be back to normal so quickly, and we do that at our peril because normalcy and functionality are all very good, but we have failed to keep reserved that portion of brain space that reminds us properly every day that we are at war against people who would kill us where we stand, and they will try again and again and again and again, if we are not sufficiently vigilant.
So what is sufficient vigilance?
We'll talk some about that today.
President Obama has vowed to repair the intelligence gaps behind the airplane incident.
We'll take a look at that.
Got some audio from some folks who have weighed in on this.
The sound I really want to hear is your voices on the phones at 1-800-282-2882.
And then with this sort of the uh next to last, the here's our fifty cent uh word of the day, our the penultimate day of the year, next to last day.
Walter Williams will be with you tomorrow, and I, just to speak for the listenership, look forward to hearing him.
I always do, just as I do Brother Stein, who held down the fort the last two days.
Um on this last opportunity that you and I will have uh to talk from here at the the fill-in bench Texas division.
Um we'll talk a little uh retrospective 09 and uh we'll take a look back at the decade and and all the that good uh talk show stuff that uh that people do.
So we'll do all of the above uh for the next uh you know two hours and forty minutes at 1800-282-2882.
1-800-282-2882.
I'm Mark Davis filling in for Rush, and we will continue with just a moment on the EIB network.
The waning days of 2009.
It is December 30th.
I'm Mark Davis in for Rush.
We'll be back on Monday.
Walter Williams tomorrow, a little best of special with Rush on Friday.
And uh let me get to some audio.
These these are some things that people have been saying in the wake of the uh flight two fifty-three bombing.
And um uh the two of them juxtaposed very interestingly.
Here is uh one of my favorite members of Congress, New York uh Republican Peter King talking about what we need to do in view of what's happened.
Yeah, obviously has to be a full investigation of home of the Department of Homeland Security, of their procedures, of their methods, of Secretary Napolitano herself.
Well, you know, that would be my thought.
Instantly cries will go up that oh, it's a witch hunt.
Well, yeah, but what if you have an actual witch?
You know, pardon the metaphor there, but uh uh th when there are valid questions to be asked, you ask them, and Secretary Napolitano did not do herself or her country any favors uh with that absurd the system worked quote from Sunday.
Now, fairness requires that I identify that she has retreated from that narrative.
But the notion of of of whom and what to investigate, here's a different take from uh ABC News consultant Richard Clark, known tormentor of the Bush ears, and he says the the essential upshot is leave Madam Secretary alone.
There does appear to be a failure here at either CIA or the new National Counterterrorism Center.
I think the criticism of Homeland Security misses the mark because Homeland Security didn't get the information.
Really?
Well, I tell you what, uh not to get greedy here.
Let's look at everybody.
How about that?
Let's just really look at everyone.
And there's not an ounce of politics in this for me.
Uh if if President Bush were still president, I'd say exactly the same thing.
If McCain had won, I'd still say exactly the same thing.
Let's see what some folks say out in the fruited plane.
We are in Cleveland, and Jeff, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Mark Davis filling in.
Very nice to have you.
Hello.
Mo Jeff.
Yes, Mark.
Hi, go right ahead.
Hi.
There's a system that already works.
And that's Israel.
And let me just explain something to you.
People have an image of profiling, as if you know we're standing up for all the Arabs on one side, and everybody else gets to walk scot free.
That's not how it works.
I've been to Israel many times.
I'm I wear a Yarmica.
My wife where's the head covering, and yet they ask me every time I come to the airport, where where am I going?
Where have I been?
Why was I going there?
How long did I stay?
And then they let me go.
And they do that to every single person who comes to me.
Can I can I ask you a question?
Because I've been precisely once, and it's a voyage every everyone should make.
Went to Jerusalem to do a week of shows in the summer of 2003, and the L L screening at JFK was quite Thorough.
I mean, they were not kidding around.
And the thing that occurred to me was, A, I'm enormously grateful for that.
But B, the second thing that occurred to me was there's no way in the world that the American flying public would tolerate it.
I disagree.
And I'll tell you why.
Let me tell you why.
It doesn't take a thirty seconds.
Go ahead.
It doesn't take them a minute to figure out if you're suspect or not.
They they are trained people.
They're usually from the Army Intelligence, college degrees, and they could tell in a very short time with the training that they have, if they need to if this person needs to be scrutinized anymore or not.
And if it's serious, and because of that, people tolerate it much more than what you're tolerating now.
I understand.
Jeff Lemon, let me thank you because I got a scoot.
But here's here's the thing.
I totally agree.
Going to Israel brings a certain urgency.
I didn't know three there was a certain urgency, but these days with the American public tolerate that extra time, we'll talk about it more when we continue.
Mark Davis Infor Rush.
On this next to last day of 2009, pleasure to be with you.
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The last gentleman gave us uh what is exhibit A of how to do uh security in the airline industry, and that is L Al, the official airline of Israel.
And he apparently had more recent and more frequent examples, and maybe they've streamlined it or uh sufficient time is passed that it's not as ardent as it was in the summer of 2003 when my producer and I got to go to Israel for a week of shows.
Um I remember asking the guy, or we or talking to the folks, the uniformed guys doing security at L Al at JFK in New York.
And they were s they were polite, they were intense, they were um uh they never apologized for for the length of time it took to uh to get everybody through security, but they were they took great pains to explain to us why things were taking a lot of time.
Uh and one of the gentlemen told me, and it just it's resonated with me for the half decade since, he said, we we don't want our buildings to fall.
And I thought to myself standing there at JFK in the summer of 2003, you know, not even two years since 911.
I wondered if my own country had remained as serious about preventing more 9-11s.
I mean, even and this is please, this is still the Bush presidency.
This is we're still we're still run by grown-ups at this time.
But I sensed already, just from being in the talk show business, that people were getting kind of war-weary.
You know, why didn't we catch bin Laden yet?
Why aren't we out of there yet?
How long is this gonna take?
We got stuff to do.
And it just it was chilling.
Uh the sort of feeling that as 2004 and 05 were about to dawn that maybe our war footing was eroding.
Well, it it surely, surely was.
Now, uh maybe uh just through years and years of experience, because I'll tell you this, I'd get on an L L flight to Jerusalem tomorrow.
Tomorrow, and uh and feel uh probably safer than on any airline in the world.
But my big question that I asked him and that I'll ask you, i involves it's kind of funny.
I I sort of asked it rhetorically in our opening half hour.
What price security?
And it doesn't just mean price in terms of dollars, sometimes it means a price in terms of uh that that most valuable of all consumer commodities, convenience.
So we can talk a good game every time something like this happens, it's happened before and it'll happen again around the world and now apparently in our own country.
Uh how much are we willing to spend on this in order to have those full body scanners uh at have as many airports uh uh as needed?
And are we willing to have the already um mind-numbing process of of air airport security made longer and made uh more arduous.
Maybe we can trade some things for other things.
You know, the one thing that I felt in my L Al screening experience is that they were looking for terrorists.
They asked everyone in our group, where are you going?
Why are you going there?
How long are you gonna be there?
And they would then they would ask us those questions separately, so that if they got any inconsistent answers from a couple of members of the group, well, they'd have to reconcile those in a hurry.
And I also get the feeling that L Al would not hesitate to pay particular attention to people who get ready, fit a certain terrorist profile.
Now I'm a big 6'3 overweight white guy from Texas.
I don't know.
You could evaluate for yourself what kind of danger I seem to pose as I board any kind of uh of jetliner.
But what we've had in our in our country is attention paid to Scandinavian grandmothers that is equal to the attention, sometimes more conscientious and invasive than the attention paid to uh Middle Eastern men.
Or since this is a Nigerian case, it's not some men from the from the from the Muslim world.
And political correctness has steered us toward this.
Ridiculous pressure from ACLU types who view it as some kind of outrage that we actually focus a little more ardently on folks who actually fit the profile of those who have engaged in terror of late.
And it has not been Scandinavian grandmothers.
It has been men from the Muslim world.
And I'm not calling for the separating out of every Muslim and every line for every flight and uh you know the complete uh, you know, snap on the gloves, invasive search.
I mean, uh uh no.
But it does involve recognizing that there are that if you take passenger A and passenger B displaying the same kind of you know minimally squirrely behavior, that the bar might be set a little differently for those who are of the ethnic type,
who are of the nationalities, who fit the here's the word again, profile of those who have done this in the past.
And some call this profiling.
Well, it is profiling, but that is taking on a bad connotation, unfortunately.
What I call it is analyzing potential suspects.
And we fail to do that at our peril.
Now, Lee Hamilton served in Congress for 34 years as a Democrat from Indiana, and then he co-chaired along with former New Jersey Governor Tom Kane, you'll recall, he co-chaired the 9-11 commission.
And Lee Hamilton recognizes that some balls were dropped.
He boarded the plane, he paid cash.
That's a danger signal.
He didn't have any luggage.
Uh that's another danger signal.
His father had contacted the uh embassy and said, My son has been radicalized.
That's a danger signal.
Yeah, you think.
And so in view of that, the Honorable Mr. Hamilton says that uh maybe that the solution to this lies in watch lists.
You have to have a system where a passenger can be very quickly identified, and that name matched against a integrated watch list.
We now have four or five watch lists.
Do we now?
Do we now?
Well, maybe we just need one big one.
Uh so here in in the aftermath of all of this, lots of Monday morning quarterbacking, lots of 2020 hindsight, but that's okay.
I mean, that's what you do.
I mean, Monday morning quarterbacking involves looking back at the Sunday game and saying, what could we have done better?
2020 hindsight means looking backward and seeing with clarity things that you could not see uh when you when you were experiencing something.
Those are all fine.
It is time for Monday morning quarterbacking.
It is time for 2020 hindsight.
If we see looking back with greater clarity than we saw looking Forward, then let's take great advantage of that.
Let's take advantage of some of your kind calls.
We are in the fine state capital of Maryland, and that's Annapolis.
Dennis, Mark Davis, in for rush, how are you?
Welcome.
Thank you, Mark.
I'm doing fine.
Uh this is Apercole because it dovetails with that last uh clip you played.
His father went to the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria and reported that he had been radicalized, possible extremists could have been used in a future attack.
Well, the State Department runs all the U.S. Embassy.
Also, the State Department issues visas to travel to the United States and revokes visa to travel to the United States.
So this happened in November.
His visa should have been revoked in November, therefore he should never got on a plane.
So regardless of what transpired after that point, the State Department should be called on the carpet to answer those questions.
Yeah.
Uh Dennis, that's that's superb analysis as we head into the break.
I appreciate it.
When I come back, I've got a Washington Post story from Carrie Johnson, Karen DeYoung, and Ann Cornblut, who who have the the headline is Obama vows to repair intelligence gaps behind Detroit airplane incident.
Okay.
What are those gaps?
What needs fixing?
Everybody's got a theory on this, and uh and so let's put them all together and see what what makes sense on this.
Next to last day of 09, it is Wednesday, the 30th of December.
I'm Mark Davis in for Rush.
More of your calls and more stuff from my stack here in just a moment on EIB Network.
Appropriate bumper tune, Greg Kinban's Jeopardy, and uh we are all in some level of jeopardy, whether on planes or in our homes and our office buildings until we get this terror threat under control.
It's gonna take a really long time.
It's gonna take an enormous amount of resolve, and the question is properly and repeatedly asked, do we as a nation have it?
Hi, early happy new year, happy ten.
I'm Mark Davis, Infor Rush.
Now, a couple of callers have mentioned the State Department and where the gaps are, and and should heads roll and what should the consequences be, and I mean, I am more interested in the beefing things up than I necessarily am in heads rolling.
I mean, sometimes if head's got a roll, head's got to roll, fine, whatever the consequence should be.
But I am more interested in having changes made that show that we are more serious uh about addressing this threat.
Intelligence officials who ask not to be identified, so just stop right there, because it means one of two things.
Either they didn't want the accountability of what they were about to say, or which means that, you know, maybe you pay attention to them less, or they are about to speak forbidden truths, which means you pay attention to them more.
Uh always navigate stories with unnamed sources with a certain amount of care, knowing fully well that in some cases their credibility may be in doubt, but in other cases their credibility uh may be uh heightened because if they identified themselves, they could not possibly say what they said under the the cover of uh of uh of source protection.
But in the in the Washington Post story this morning, here's the paragraph uh that I'm head that I'm taking you toward.
Intelligence officials said they are eager to close whatever gaps the Abdul Mutallab case may have exposed.
But several took issue with the president's reference to bits of information available within the intelligence community, saying that what might appear clear in retrospect was far from conclusive at the time.
This goes right to the hindsight and Monday morning quarterbacking we were just talking about.
One uh official, one U.S. intelligence official, here's the quote from the post story.
Abdul Mutallab's father didn't say his son was a terrorist, let alone that he was planning an attack.
Not at all.
I'm not aware of some magic piece of intelligence that suddenly would have flagged this guy, whose name nobody even had until November as a killer en route to America, let alone something that anybody withheld.
Now, this is a U.S. intelligence official.
I tend to admire U.S. intelligence officials.
But in this day and age, uh and under these people in this administration, I I don't know who's been compromised.
I don't know who who's been beaten into submission to uh to try to cover for whomever.
And that quote just strikes me as gutless.
Don't tell me that this guy didn't say uh uh my son is a terrorist, he is going to try to blow up a plane.
It is your job in the intelligence community to take sometimes minutiae to take sometimes seemingly insignificant things and have a little radar in your head, boop boop boop, that goes off to say this might be something bad.
So even if Mr. Abdul Mutalab's father was less than concrete, even if he was a little vague.
We know that he went to the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria because his son's radicalization concerned him.
That is all I need to know.
At that point, in whoever's office, the dad was sitting, should have written down that name.
Should have written down Abdul Mutalab, Umar Farouk Abdul Mutalab, and gotten it onto a watch list at every international airport headed into the United States.
Period.
That's the definition of being careful enough.
Am I asking too much?
Is that too hard?
Is that too much paperwork?
Is that too much drudgery?
Is that being too careful?
You can't be too careful.
So that's the definition of what we've got to do.
And we're either willing to do it or not.
Let me make room for another call or two before we close out the first hour, and let me do that by taking this pause right now.
Mark Davis in for rush on the EIB network.
It's the Rush Limbaugh show for Wednesday, December 30th, 2009.
I'm Mark Davis filling in.
Walter Williams with you tomorrow for New Year's Eve.
Can't think of a better way to spend a midday New Year's Eve than listening to Walter Williams fill it in for rush.
A very, very nice uh slice of best of coming your way on Friday and then rush back with you Monday, January fourth.
Okay, to the phones, to the phones.
We're in Columbus, Ohio.
Mark, Mark Davis, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Hello.
Uh good afternoon.
Uh the first point that I want to bring up was why uh Senator De Mint is holding up the TSA nomination, the TSA chief.
Um what other reason he says is so they won't unionize?
Right.
To me, this country was built with strong unions, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, you name it.
So why is it such an issue with the question?
I'll tell you that's a ver that's a very good question.
Here's the very good answer.
Because in the John L. Lewis of the twenties, that era, you know, when there were just uh the bad business owners who didn't care about whether employees died in coal mines or or in various other work environments, there was a strong argument for for the necessity of unions.
Unions still serve a purpose today.
But by and large, the recent history of unions is to encourage mediocrity, protect jobs at every cost, and to value and prioritize the maintenance of jobs and certain workplace issues over the quality of the actual work being done.
That's what I agree.
I'm in a union and where I work.
We have a lot of strong people here, and the people that don't cut it, they're weeded out.
And I don't care what type of union is.
But that tends not to but that happened that it doesn't happen enough.
I mean, that that's fantastic.
But the recent history of unions do it involves far too many instances where sloth and mediocrity are not weeded out.
That where people I mean I there are countless people that maybe that I can find, maybe you can too, where they'll go to an assembly line and say, look, you're going too fast.
You're making the rest of us look bad.
You're doing too good a job.
There are stories all over the place of Of people who have done certain jobs that that maybe they could do the work of two people, and they were beaten down for that sometimes, literally.
You can't do that because we've got to preserve every job at all costs.
And so that's the recent history of too much of union life, and that's why Senator DeMint does not want that to infect the TSA.
Unacceptable.
And the other thing, what is this wall between the FBI and the CIA is ridiculous.
That is the same thing.
Another subject and a great segue to our next hour.