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Sept. 10, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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September 10, 2009, Thursday, Hour #3
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So Cookie went back.
We got the uh audio soundbite from Senator McCain today on the Today Show.
He was with Matt O'Hauer.
And the first question from Matt O'Hauer, the outburst came as part of the speech for President Obama talking about illegal immigrants, and he said the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here legally.
That's when Joe Wilson said you lie.
So do the reforms that President Obama's proposing cover illegal immigrants or do they not?
They do not.
Everything that I've seen, they do not, and it changes the number of the uninsured in America down to about 30 million instead of the 47 or so that they talked about before.
They do not, as far as I can see, nor should they.
This is just Senator McCain, we are in a fight to save this country.
And all you can say about the change in the number from 47 million to 30 million is okay, they've taken out the illegals.
And that's what that means, Limboy.
And he's saying I'm insuring the illegals.
That's right.
You hear me?
So 47 become 30, it's just remember.
On a dime.
On a dime, 47 million uninsured becomes 30 million uninsured last night.
If somebody wants to trust the running of one sixth of the economy of these people, just make it up.
Are we now to assume that the government's official tally of illegal aliens is 17 million?
Is that what this means?
If we keep if if if this keeps up in two months, there won't be anybody uninsured.
If in just one speech you can lop off 17 million, now the Census Bureau says 43 in their latest numbers.
But Levin, in his book Liberty and Tyranny, broke all this down.
The numbers of it's so to totally distorted.
But Senator McCain, the bill in the House legalizes health care for illegal citizens.
Boehner went on TV today and read the amendments and pointed out that Republicans offered two amendments to the House bill expressly prohibiting illegal aliens from being covered, and they were defeated.
No, it does not.
Everything I see, yeah, it changes the numbers.
Uh yeah, as far as I can see, nor should they.
He thinks all illegal aliens should be given amnesty anyway, so what what's the big deal?
Uh next question from Matt O'Waur.
Fact or fiction, does the president's plan create anything resembling what is a so-called death panel?
No, but there is a $500 billion quote savings in Medicare that is called for, which has seniors concerned, and in other countries when they cut back on spending on health care and health care is rationed, then similar things have happened.
Americans are concerned about that.
So he partially throws Sarah Palin under the bus there, which is you know, he's this a useful idiot.
They bring him in to do exactly what he did.
And that is undercut everything that the uh Republican opponents, conservative opponents of Obama and health care, are saying.
And he just falls right in line with it.
But this is why Senator McCain lost.
Here is, by the way, the number, the uh the part of the speech last night, where the president just uh out of the blue said this.
There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.
In just a two-year period, one in every three Americans goes without health care coverage at some point.
And every day, 14,000 Americans lose their coverage.
Uh 14,000.
That must be because of the people losing their jobs because of you.
14,000 a day, another number just picked out of the uh the thin air.
Who?
How do we know this?
The only way we can know whether this number is accurate is to count the number of people losing their jobs.
Because they are losing their health care unless they go the Cobra route.
Now, I you know, this is 47 million became 30 million last night.
And from this we're supposed to conclude that the illegals are not going to be covered.
This is slight of hand.
Let's go back.
July 22nd of this year.
This is not just about the 47 million Americans who don't have any health insurance at all.
Reforms about every American who has ever feared that they may lose their coverage if they become too sick or lose their job or change their job.
It's not just about the 47 million Americans who don't have any health insurance.
That was in July.
There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.
In just a two-year period, one in every three Americans goes without health care coverage at some point.
And every day, 14,000 Americans lose their coverage.
Now it seems to me this is a huge improvement.
We haven't done anything.
If on June, July 22nd, there were 47 million uninsured, and last night, September the 9th, we're down to 30 million uninsured.
We don't need to do anything.
We're going in the right direction here.
All of a sudden, 17 million got health insurance, and we haven't done one aspect of Obama's plan yet.
Now, the associated press ran a fact check article.
They produced a fact check of Obama last night.
And here here we've got the corresponding portions of the speech with the AP fact check.
It's kind of uh kind of weird here.
Uh on this one, the Associated Press says the long-term prognosis for costs of health care legislation has not been good.
This is what they were fact checking.
I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future.
He's just added over the course of the next 10 years, 12 to 13 trillion dollars to the deficit.
But AP went out and said the long-term prognosis for costs of the health care legislation has not been good.
So they're basically saying Obama was lying about that.
Here's the next Obama bite they found.
Nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage of the doctor you have.
Right, right, all right, all right.
And the AP fact check story says the Congressional Budget Office analyzed the health care bill written by House Democrats, said that by 2016, some three million people who now have employer-based care would lose it.
Well, it's going to be far more than me.
83 million by the time they finish with this.
But even so, the AP fact-checking calling Obama a liar.
Here's the next portion that they fact checked.
Don't pay attention to those scary stories about how your benefits will be cut.
That will not happen on my watch.
I will protect Medicare.
Well, the AP in their fact check story says Obama and Congressional Democrats want to pay for their health care plans in part by reducing Medicare payments to providers by more than 500 billion dollars over 10 years.
There won't be any Men of Medicare benefits.
If you're going to cut payments to the providers, the doctors and hospitals, guess what?
You're going to cut being provided for.
Now, that's just a sample of the AP fact check.
I mean, in the New York Times, it was kind of crazy.
The New York Times had a, in their news story on this, it was not complimentary of Obama at all.
Their lead editorial was.
But, and there were plenty of drive-bys today who did what I predicted.
Oh, he turned it around.
Oh, it was a magnificent bill.
Oh, it maybe have been the best speech.
David Brooks may be the best speech ever.
All of our useful idiots uh oh it was so eloquent.
Oh, it was Obama at his best.
But a lot of people on the left were not thrilled with it.
David Rodham Gergen didn't like it, which you'll hear in a here in a moment.
But I'm gonna go back.
Let's go back to March 6th.
Me on this show.
If they get national health care, folks, the country as you and I have known it is over.
But the failing health of Senator Kennedy, as I told you way back when the driving force here.
The failing health of Senator Kennedy is already being used as an inspirational effort or technique to get national health care on the fast track.
Before it's all over, it'll be called the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Care Bill.
And I caught hell for that.
I caught literal hell for that.
And then shortly after Senator Kennedy expired, you had all kinds of Democrats running Around saying we should name the bill for him, and then last night, here's the president.
I received one of those letters a few days ago.
It was from our beloved friend and colleague Ted Kennedy.
He had written it back in May, shortly after he was told that his illness was terminal.
He asked that it'd be delivered upon his death.
In it, he spoke about what a happy time his last months were.
Thanks to the love and support of family and friends, his wife Vicky, his amazing children, who are all here tonight.
And he expressed confidence that this would be the year that health care reform.
That great unfinished business of our society, he called it, would finally pass.
Well, my prediction comes true every time they open their mouth about Ted Kennedy and so forth.
I want to point out, by the way, Ted Kennedy did not stay in Massachusetts and used the state of Massachusetts socialized health care plan to have his brain tumor treated.
He went down to Duke University for the uh reputed, the best reputed neurosurgeon, brain surgeon, cancer surgeon that uh country has.
He did not rely in any way, shape, manner, or form on the kind of health care plan Obama or the House or the Senate happened to be proposing David Rodham Gurgen on CNN after the Obama speech was asked by the anchor Wolf Blitzer.
When all is said and done here, David, a lot of those uh very nervous Democrats, conservative moderate Democrats, they're worried about getting re-elected next year.
Had he given this speech three months ago when there was a glow about his presidency, I think he could have swept the country.
It was a very well crafted speech.
But now, given everything has happened, I think millions of Americans who voted for him will say tonight, we saw the Obama we elected.
They will be really excited by this speech.
But for a lot of others, I'm not sure it moved them very much.
We're so dug in, I'm not sure it moved the people.
He ultimately needed to move if he wants to reverse the tide.
And Rasmussen, again to remind you, the uh poll on Obama's health care, 44% in favor, 53% opposed.
We'll be right back.
Hi, welcome back.
Let's go to the phones and once again reward those uh who have been patiently waiting.
Clarksville, Maryland, Donna, you're up.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi, Megan Dennis, and thanks for all you do.
Thank you very much.
Uh I want to know if you know who's going to be prosecuted in that acorn undercover business that just went on in uh Baltimore.
Well, I don't know.
Oh, the guy the guy who recorded, because it's illegal in Maryland to record someone without their knowledge, remember.
No, no, no, no, no.
Wait just a second now.
Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second.
You know what?
This this that that the if you've have you watched it?
I seen but yeah, I saw it on Fox this morning.
All right.
Well, that you know what?
That's it's what 60 minutes used to do.
That's the exact kind of stuff that 60 minutes used to do, the old hidden camera trick.
But they can't do it in Maryland.
Well, we'll see.
That's the trip with the Linda Trip was the only one they got uh I don't want to use the bad word, but got prosecuted or got in trouble or whatever all that little Clinton thing, she was the one that had her head left out.
Well, I must confess you may be right about phone calls.
I don't know what the law in Maryland is on uh cameras, hidden cameras.
I know you would assume it's the same thing, but I don't care.
If if this guy gets if this if if if Mr. O'Keefe gets charged, fine and dandy.
I'm sure he's willing to put up with it.
Uh because the video's out there.
The story has been told.
I mean, acorn can run, but they can't hide.
That's for sure.
I mean, the real question should be is acorn going to be prosecuted.
The real question is anybody acorn going to be charged.
I'll yeah, and your your answer is, well, it can't be because the evidence was gathered illegally.
Uh and of course, you may not even be able to say it's evidence.
But I mean, this this is this is exact kind of thing 60 Minutes used to do.
Exact kind of thing that at one point, way back in American history, the American media used to do.
Now they're just slaves to the entire radical leftist agenda.
Manassas, Virginia, this is Earl.
Great to have you here, sir.
Hello.
Hello, how are you?
Hi.
Uh, I was listening to a speech last night, and I heard Obama indicate that everyone be would be required to have insurance, just like states require you to have car insurance.
However, a state doesn't require you to have car insurance, it's the car itself that's insured.
So if you think that way, perhaps these facilities like uh urgent cares themselves should be insured.
Well, but there's a there's a more fundamental difference than that.
Uh if you don't have a car, you don't have to have insurance, which is your point.
But the purpose for automobile insurance is not to protect you, is to protect the person you plow into.
I mean, that the the analogy does not hold at all.
And with auto insurance, you can buy it from anybody you want.
In in uh uh in health insurance, you have to buy it in the state that you live.
Now the president made a point last night that 90% of people in Alabama buy health insurance in one company.
So his solution is that company sucks.
That company sucks.
That's a monopoly.
We gotta bust up that company, and we're gonna do it by giving people options with a public up.
No.
No.
What sucks is the state law making that requirement the way it is, or the federal law that requires that you can only buy insurance in the state in which you live.
The fix is the free market.
You abandon this whole notion of boundaries.
You let people buy health insurance from any company they want anywhere in the country.
You watch the competition set in when that happens.
You let insurance companies sell the kind of policies that people want to buy, let them tailor policies to whatever individuals want, and you got a problem solved uh much faster than we're gonna solve it with Obamacare.
He doesn't want look, folks.
I'm telling you.
I um I can't go through it again, but if you didn't uh if you weren't here in the first hour, I did a translation of sorts of Obama's speech and what he was really saying last night.
And it uh it it he he the the the the traditions, institutions, the greatness of this country, the s the the parts of it that make it great.
He doesn't like the Constitution.
I didn't vote for the Constitution.
The Constitution was put together by a bunch of slave owners.
I don't like that.
I didn't vote for that.
And there if they could trash it in front of our eyes, they would.
They're in the process of doing it now.
I mean, the simple solution 90% of the people of Alabama have to buy insurance in one company.
If that's even true, but let's say it is.
Well, get rid of the state law, get rid of the law that mandates you have to buy insurance from a company in your state.
You can buy all kinds of insurance for other things from anybody, but a lot Lloyds of London, if you'll if they'll sell you the policy for whatever you want to insure.
I mean, it's really the the problems in our health care system really have been mandated by government, state, and federal that have limited choice, cause prices to rise, no relationship to the customer, the surge the uh the the patient and the cost provider.
Uh Columbia, South Carolina, Jan, thank you for waving your next in the EIB network.
Hello.
Thank you, Raj.
Good to talk to you.
Um enjoy white listening to your program.
I've been a nurse for over 25 years and have just seen an increasing uh trend that basically a lot of people that receive these government uh Medicare, Medicaid, whatever, basically are just totally irresponsible with their own health care.
They do nothing but actually hurt themselves.
I have patients who are have are much younger than I am that come in and have a chronic problem like asthma or bronchitis, but they're still smoking two packs a day.
How do you afford two packs of cigarettes a day and you're on Medicare Medicaid?
Food stamps you have a body mass index, which is your ratio of your height to your weight, that's two times more than two times more what's considered morbidly obese.
And you have back and knee problems, give me a break.
Well, Obama's gonna fix that because they're gonna put mandates in there that uh that the you're gonna have to do uh uh lifestyle changes of preventive care and uh uh and and all that kind of.
But you see, here's the thing.
The kind of people you're talking about are in Barack Obama's mind, the rightful owners of the country.
They're only obese in fat.
They're only smoking, they're only got asthma because their oppressive capitalist society has depressed them.
They haven't had a chance.
They've been held back.
What was rightfully theirs has been stolen by evil corporations, small business owners, and the rich.
And that's why they're in the mess.
And these are the people we must ensure and make sure that they do get all the care that they need because they're at such a disadvantage because of the oppressive society they live in.
And a great uh great column here by a guy named Don Serber in the Charleston, West Virginia Daily Mail, an economist explains health spending.
Robert Fogle won the Nobel Prize for Economics in 1993, wrote a piece last week in which he explained the two reasons why Americans spend more money on health care than everyone else in the world.
First, Americans have more money.
They have had more money to spend on health care.
Between 1875 and 1995, the share of family income spent on food, clothing, and shelter declined from 87% to just 30%.
Get that.
Between 1875 and 1995, the share of family income spent on food, clothing, shelter, the staples, declined from 87% to just 30%.
That's called an increased standard of living.
Despite the fact that between 1875 and 1995, we ate more food, we own more clothes, we have better and larger homes today than we had in 1875.
And yet we reduced our share of family income spent on those things from 87% to just 30%.
If we limit the basics to these three items, that means spending on non-basic items rose from 13% in 1875 to 70% in 1995.
So you get these three basics food, clothing, and shelter.
In 1875 took up 87% of the family income.
1995 took up just 30%.
That means we were able to spend more money on discretionary things, non-basic items.
And we were able to increase by five-fold spending on non-basic items, pleasurable items, discretionary items.
Some of it went to entertainment, some of it went to government taxes are much higher, the the rest went to other things, including health care.
So we've had more money to spend on health care.
The second reason we spend more on health care is because spending more money on health care works.
It's important to emphasize, by the way, the reason for going into this is Obama's out there, they're spending more money.
Oh, make sure we're going.
We're not going to spend any more we're going to spend less more for it.
Guys, it's a true disaster, folks.
It's important to emphasize here that medical interventions have not only contributed to the decline in prevalence rates of chronic conditions, but also the reduction in their severity.
Advances in both surgical and drug therapies have significantly reduced the rate at which chronic conditions turn into disabilities that severely impair functioning.
Such interventions have been especially effective in circulatory, digestive, and musculoskeletal conditions.
However, many of the surgical procedures are quite expensive, and the cost of the new and more effective drugs is increasing sharply, mainly because of the large investments in developing these drugs.
I mean, I'm not through here, but all of this simply adds up to a vastly improved standard of living.
The United States overall has both the most expensive and the best health care in the world.
Now, this is where this gets interesting.
The socialist argument that somehow spending more on health care makes our health care system inferior is absurd.
His argument's based on life expectancy tables.
But life expectancy has a lot of factors, including average weight, homicide rates, suicide rates, genetics, and traffic fatalities.
The emphasis in America is on saving lives, not money.
In every socialist country, the opposite is true.
The only way to save money on health care is to ration it.
And this is what people instinctively know in this country.
That Obama, and you Listen to his speech last night.
He didn't talk about saving lives.
He said more lives are going to be lost if we do nothing.
It's the exact opposite.
He doesn't claim his health care plan is going to save lives.
All we're going to save money.
We're going to spend less.
We're going to reduce our deficit.
We're going to but the emphasis in America is on saving lives, prolonging life.
Good health, not money.
But in every socialist country, the opposite is true.
The only way to save money on health care is to ration it.
When socialists toss around a number such as 18,000 people die because they lack health insurance.
We remember that 14,802 people died in France in August of 2003 because of the French health system.
There was a heat wave.
And instead of calling doctors back from their month-long vacations to tend to people, the French government decided to save money.
Adjusted for population, that would be like 70,000 deaths in America or roughly 35 hurricane Katrinas.
And I remember that August in France in 2003, 14,000, 802 people died.
It was a heat wave, pure and simple.
And in August, the vacation is precious.
Everybody leaves.
They didn't call the doctors back.
They didn't want to spend the money.
The emphasis was not on saving lives.
It was on saving money.
Exactly what the Obama emphasis is on.
In England, the taxpayers' alliance estimated that uh an extra 17,000 people die every year because of the quality of the National Health Service.
That's no big deal to many British people.
An extra 70,000 deaths might seem high, but that figure needed to be set against annual mortality, which was between 750,000 and 1 million deaths every year, said the liberal London London Guardian newspaper.
So if annual mortality is 750,000 to 1 million deaths, what's an extra 17,000?
Not a big deal.
The countries with which the UK was being compared spent more of their GDP on health care.
The extra debts are okay to liberals because, hey, look at all the money.
The government is saving.
And look at who's dying.
They're not useful anyway.
The old and the infirm and the disabled, they're the ones that get hit the most, but we don't need them anyway.
Monsanto Company, world's biggest seed maker in St. Louis.
Said today they plan to make deeper workforce cuts than previously announced, saying it'll reduce its staff by about 8% to cut costs.
Now in June, Monsanto said it was cutting about 4% of its staff, uh, about 900 jobs.
The new target of 8% indicates that uh the company is cutting about 1,800 jobs.
Whoa!
Fixing that economy.
How's that hope and change working for you?
And it's more people without health insurance, and guess what?
What better thing could happen to Obama for more and more people to lose their health insurance, demanding it.
How is that hope and change working out for you, America?
Unemployment's approaching 10%.
We are $13 trillion in the hole.
Our government is borrowing and printing money almost as fast as they can spend it.
And Obama wants to throw more money away on government-run health care.
Barack Obama is wrecking the U.S. economy on purpose.
We are eight months into his porculus plan, and we are worse off than we were.
And yet, he opens the speech last night with the biggest lie.
Oh, we're coming back from the breaking economy.
Well, from CNBC this morning, home foreclosures in August jumped 18% from a year ago.
According to a new report by Realty Track, an online marketplace for foreclosure properties, in all 358,471 properties in the U.S. received foreclosure filings in August, just slightly below July's record level of 360,149.
The August report demonstrates that there is still an ample supply of properties filling the foreclosure pipeline, even while the outflow of bank owned real estate properties on the resale market's being more carefully regulated.
Michael Barr, Treasury Assistant Secretary for Financial Institutions told a House Financial Services Subcommittee that even if the home affordable modification program is a success, this is where Obamas will keep you in your house, we should still expect millions more foreclosures.
And yet we're coming back from the brink of the economy.
Our plan is working.
Receive a million jobs.
Initial filings for unemployment insurance slip by 26,000.
Oh, good new.
And by the way, the headline jobless claims fall more than expected.
So this is CNN money.
Initial filings for unemployment insurance slipped by 26,000 to 550,000.
Continuing claims also drop.
And it's totally unexpected.
So here we are trying to put out the news.
Hey, it's getting better.
Why we only had 550,000 filings for unemployment.
However, it does not mean that people found a job.
What it means is they ran out of benefits.
The figures do not include those who have moved to state or federal extensions, nor people whose benefits have expired.
We haven't.
That slip of 26,000, that reduction of 26,000 is not people who have found a job.
We'll be right back.
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Hi, great to have you here.
Hello, dear.
Uh, just wanted to tell you something about the insurance, uh, auto insurance in the state of Virginia, and I don't know how many other states have this regulation, but if you sell, give away, or your car dies and you cancel your insurance, your driver's license automatically gets canceled.
And most people find that out the hard way.
You have to maintain some sort of insurance to maintain your driver's license.
I did not know that in the state of Virginia.
And most people don't.
And most people need their driver's license to show ID.
Exactly.
Yes.
Yep.
So you still have to take out some form of auto insurance, even though you are between automobiles.
But what if you've never had a car and you don't have a driver's license to begin with?
They don't require you to be insured there.
Uh yes, because you can't get a driver's license.
You have to get a uh an ID card for people who don't drive.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, well, so still, it's in Virginia, you still it's not mandatory that you have to have car insurance, which was the point.
Now, you I understand what you're saying.
If you've had a car, you lose it, get rid of it, whatever.
If you get you're close to a car, yeah, you've got to have a driver's license.
Because you might get in it and want to drive, and if you and to get a driver's license, you gotta have insurance.
But you don't have to get a driver's license.
And you don't have to get a car.
And in that case, you don't have to get insurance.
I mean, point is the analogy of health care insurance to auto insurance breaks down this way.
When you go get health insurance, and by the way, it is impossible to insure good health.
That's not what it is.
You can't do that.
You insure bad health.
You insure catastrophic illness.
You insure, and all you're doing is taking a risk, and the insurance company is joining you in the risk.
You're not buying health insurance to make sure you don't pass the flu to somebody.
But when you buy auto insurance, you're making sure that you can pay if you plow into somebody or their house or cause some kind of damage to either property or a person with your car.
If uh health care insurance worked that way, you would have to go buy health insurance to protect yourself from being sued if you spread AIDS around, or if you've spread uh uh the flu around or what have you.
But you're not doing that.
You're buying health insurance to protect yourself uh against a catastrophic cost that comes down the line regarding your own health.
But now it's gotten all out of whack.
I mean, people are going to the uh you know, for standard checkups and uh buying band-aids and so forth with uh their prescription uh supplement or their health care coverage in general.
It's just absurd.
And it's you know, there's more and more stories I'm seeing.
We had the call from a woman yesterday who was able to get an X-ray reduced from $269 to $20 just by paying cash and shopping around for it.
And I've I was in the hospital here four years ago.
Three helltime flies, and I told them I'm paying cash.
So I was not three days, I'm paying cash.
I'm gonna put it on a credit card.
And it cut it, cut it cut the cost in half because they didn't have to mess around with paperwork and dealing with copay reimbursements, whatever the garbage is.
You ought to try it.
You ought to try just a standard operating procedure.
Go in some kind of medical treatment, offer to pay cash to see what happens.
And I'll bet you if you you shop around enough, you can find some place as much cheaper than if you were using your insurance.
And it would be a lesson to you to find out how the whole system could be changed for a positive way to reduce costs if just that single thing alone were to happen.
Brief time out, sit tight, we'll be back and wrap it up.
All right, Christmas Day has arrived for those of us who love the National Football League, and Christmas Christmas Day will continue until February.
Tonight the Pittsburgh Steelers host the Tennessee Titans, the former Houston Oilers.
This is actually a great rivalry that goes back many many moons.
A Titans stomped on the terrible towels last December in a victory over the Steelers.
And tonight, Steelers give it a 34 to 12 or 34 to 14 wipeout favorite Tennessee.
Fortunes reversed tonight.
Bet the farm, Steelers big time to kick off the season.
We'll see you tomorrow, folks.
Have a great night.
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