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July 10, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 10, 2009, Friday, Hour #3
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And as good as that news is that they try to pay attention to guest host quality around here, and I've enjoyed listening to Mark Belling and Mark Stein, and so glad to be here today.
As great as that is, I feel from you, I can sense it from you the great relief that fill in week is one hour from done.
And Rush is back on Monday.
So humbly appreciative of one more hour in your company, one-eight hundred-two eight-two-2882.
More of your calls here in just a moment.
I'm Mark Davis at WBAP Dallas, Fort Worth, and looking forward to the weekend and looking forward to the return of Rush on Monday.
And I've been looking forward to this all day.
Enjoyed Congressman Mike Pence's last hour.
Let's kick off this hour with another guy it's always great to talk to, and that is the founder and CEO of Rasmussen Reports, one of the most oft-quoted polling organizations, and that is Scott Rasmussen.
Hi, Scott, how are you?
I'm doing great.
It's good to be with you today.
Very, very nice to have you.
Usually we're within a year, maybe six months of an election before we start to really hang on all these poll numbers, but there is something about the current times that that j uh just me in particular.
I'm just yearning for some evidence that maybe the country is starting to smell the coffee.
Now, as a pollster, it's your job not to care what the results are, just to deliver them honestly.
So let's analyze honestly the presidential index that you guys record today of negative seven, thirty-seven percent strong disapproval of President Obama with just thirty percent strongly approving.
What's what should we take from that, and then let's go from there?
Well, the the biggest thing we should take from it is it proves something we've known for a long time.
It's all about the economy.
Uh these numbers uh the president had a nice honeymoon phase, and now we're in a transition where people are starting to measure him by his performance.
And by the way, his overall approval numbers are still above fifty percent.
Uh his numbers are down, but they're far from terrible.
But what we've seen, especially since the jobs report last week, is that uh the president's numbers will go the same direction as consumer confidence.
And uh, you know, that's not unusual for this president.
So a year from today, if the economy's humming along and GM is throwing off profits and people are being hired, President Obama will be sky high in the ratings.
If GM is back asking for more bailout money and the economy is struggling and people are losing jobs still, then the president uh will be struggling and Democrats will have a tougher, tougher road in 2010.
Was it true that President Bush's index was was largely war-driven, and what killed him in these same kind of numbers uh for his last year, year and a half before the economy tanked, what killed him was a war-weary country.
Absolutely.
In fact, there's a lot of parallels between uh President Bush and President Obama.
Uh, you know, and you have to keep in mind that nine eleven was uh, you know, just a terribly unusual event, and we can be thankful for that.
But the president uh in 2002 when we're going into those elections was popular, he led the nation into Iraq, and had the Iraqi situation been perceived as popular by the American people, well then President Bush would have done very well.
But President Bush's numbers were war-driven because of the nine eleven event.
Uh most presidents aren't.
Right now, Barack Obama is pushing a number of policies.
The stimulus plan, he's got health care reform going, he's got uh the climate change, and all of those things are gonna be are going to be set uh in stone one way or the other, and then the results of them and the way they impact the economy will determine where Barack Obama's numbers end up.
You do this every day, the uh the daily tracking poll, and if uh people go to Rasmussen Reports dot com, as I have now wisely done, we can go all the way back to inauguration day and sort of put all this stuff in context.
If right now it's negative seven, if the difference between strongly approve and strongly disapprove is negative seven, let us go back to the the the the days following the inauguration where at one point it was forty-four fourteen.
I mean it was plus thirty.
It stayed in the twenties well into February, came down into the modest double digits in February, plus twelve, plus ten, plus eleven, the kind of things that any president dreams of.
And then we started to hit negative territory, Scott.
I'm just scanning here.
I know you can tell me.
Uh right about the the the middle of June.
Right.
And then uh no polling over the fourth of July and the last five days have been minus two, minus three, minus five, minus eight, minus seven.
How much fluck how much fluctu go ahead and give us a word on that?
We don't want to ask about the fluctuations.
You put the you put that storyline into the context.
He was very The numbers were very high at the inauguration.
People always want to give the president the benefit of the doubt.
Uh the numbers declined a little bit very quickly in February, mainly because of the stimulus fight, and Republicans were no longer going to give the President the benefit of the doubt.
From early February on, a majority of Republicans have strongly disapproved.
The numbers drifting down a little bit after that were just sort of the natural, you know, uh withdrawal of the afterglow.
But these numbers in this last week, uh what we're seeing is not just uh, you know, random statistical chance.
Uh we're seeing the same pattern in the president's numbers that we are in consumer confidence.
And again, you go right back to that.
Uh in late May, consumer confidence peaked.
It began drifting down a little bit, but this jobs report I think changed the dynamic, and it's because no matter what else President Obama has to accomplish, people want him to turn the economy around.
To go all the way back to last September, Lehman brothers collapsed.
Neither candidate had a ready answer for it.
President uh then candidate Obama simply kept his mouth shut.
John McCain didn't, and John McCain demonstrated that he didn't really understand what was going on or how to solve it.
Uh and right now, as we're moving forward, people are saying to the President, okay, uh, that's your job one.
You mentioned something, and I hear it all the time, that his overall approval remains high, but when you start to ask about policies, this is where it gets dicey.
This has always made me a little crazy.
What is the difference in the question?
When when we ask the question that we've talked about the raw numbers of here, do you approve or disapprove of what?
How's the question phrase of the president?
We ask people if they strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the way the president is performing his job.
Perfect.
Excellent phrase, yeah.
Of the way the president's performing his job.
That to me is all that matters.
I don't care if he's a swell guy or a total tool.
So what's the other question that gives us a lot of people?
The other question you could ask is do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Barack Obama?
And people do have a a that number will always be higher than his job approval uh for this president.
People like him.
Now you get into specific policies and you find uh, you know, a slightly different thing.
You can like the president's overall performance but disagree on a particular policy.
But the trends right now are are pretty much lining up the same.
The president, a majority of people have a uh approve of the job.
It's a small majority, but still the majority of Americans approve of the job he's doing, but the people with strong opinions are more likely to be opposed.
The the passion factor is working against the president.
We see that same pattern on health care reform.
We see that same pattern on climate change legislation, uh, and you know, it is likely to reappear in other issues as the uh the months unfold.
I kind of gave it the back of my hand, but I have always known the value of that likability question because while policies are what's really important, it is likability that often helps you win elections.
If something just seems like a uh a 50-50 election, if you've just got that likeability thing going for you, that can be all the difference in the world, which makes the overall approval question still an important one to ask.
Right.
And look, when President Obama is up for re-election in 2012, the most important number to follow will be his job approval numbers.
President Bush, when he was re-elected in in 2004, had a job approval total of 51 percent, and he got fifty-one percent of the vote because the election was a referendum on his first term.
Was that a total approval number?
Was that a total approval number?
Total approval number was fifty-one percent.
Which is, by the way, exactly what President Obama has today.
Correct.
Wow.
And and for those confused, let's spend a second, and in fact, maybe sort of wrap this up and and and and get a couple of other things here.
Scott Rasmussen with us, Rasmussen reports the website.
If people are saying, wait a minute, he just said that that approval is yes, fifty if you take I guess there were four ways to answer.
Strongly approve, moderately approve.
Strongly or somewhat approve, and then somewhat or strongly uh disapproved.
Disapproved.
That's so the thirty-seven thirty are are are from the extreme, not extremes, or are from the the passion ends of this.
Strongly disapprove and strongly approved.
3730 strongly approved.
But if you take everybody approving and everybody disapproving strongly and somewhat, it still comes to 5148 on the approval side.
Which leads me to a good final question, and that is do the do the the outer edges of this, the strong approvals and strong disapprovals, sometimes tend to be the locomotives that run the train.
There is some evidence that they can be a leading indicator because these are people, if you have a strong opinion, you're more likely to talk about it.
You're more likely to do something about it.
Uh and also it is easier to shift, you know, from I think he's okay to I think he's not okay.
That's that's an easier jump than I really dislike or I really like what this guy is doing.
So yes, these people do have an uh an impact.
They can be a leading indicator of where things are going.
Uh but again, at election time, when when President Obama is up for re-election, the total approval number will be the important one to watch.
In the meantime, the things that's going to drive all of this is the economy.
We will talk about issues and we will poll on issues, and we will talk about foreign policy and we'll talk about all kinds of other things.
But if the economy is doing well at this time next year, the president's numbers will be doing well.
If the economy's not, the president's numbers will be down below where they are today.
In our final moments, let's talk some methodology.
How many people are polled for the for the daily tracking poll?
We poll a total of fifteen hundred people over three nights for every single update of the tracking poll.
And so it's a moving three-day window.
That's correct.
Right.
Uh how are they contacted?
We call them with an automated phone system.
That says what?
We simply say we're calling from Erasmus and Reports, and we're going to conduct a brief public opinion survey, and then we begin to ask them questions.
And by the way, I should point out the the opening of this survey every single night is exactly the same.
The same series of questions, so that somebody who is answering this tracking poll tonight is hearing exactly the same thing that somebody heard on January twentieth.
Very important.
And when they choose to participate and some people some choose to participate, some do not.
Right.
And by the way, most of those who do not choose to participate do so because we caught them in a bad time.
We've done experiments.
If if we take some people who said I, you know, I'm not going to take the call now, and we call them back the next night at a different time.
Two important things to note.
One is we get pretty much the same response rate.
And secondly, the results are pretty much the same.
So it's not as if the people who don't answer the phone are fundamentally different from those who do.
Is it truth or urban myth that conservatives are a little less likely to participate in polls, and that deserves to be taken into account.
Now there are lots of things that do happen in polls.
Women answer the phone more than men, and older people are easier to reach than younger people.
And by the way, those moms with young kids are chasing around there very hard to get on the phone.
That's part of the process.
You have to make sure that your final sample is representative includes all segments of the population.
There are far more conservatives in the country than there are liberals.
But that's not really a surprise.
That's been true for a long time.
What is not often noted is there are far more conservatives in America than there are Republicans.
And on the flip side of it, on the flip side of it, there's far more Democrats than there are liberals, and that means there's a different dynamic.
Liberals need to reach out to moderates to to control things within the Democratic Party and offer their perspective.
Republicans need to reach out to conservatives uh to build on their partisan base.
Does this auto dialing technology reach uh cell phones as well as home phones?
We do not call cell phones right now, but uh we have been doing some experimenting with it and we'll be doing so as by the end of this year.
That has simply got to be an issue.
I don't know why I don't even know what it is, but there are so many households that don't even have a home phone anymore.
You're you know, two thousand eight was the last year where it really didn't matter, and the reason it didn't matter so much in 2008 was most young people uh mostly it was an issue of young people, and most young people, whether or not they had a landline were sub were more likely to be supportive of Barack Obama than John McCain.
So it didn't have a particular issue there.
Now going forward, it is going to be an issue, and it's not just landlines versus cell phones.
It there are text issues.
Uh people are communicating in fundamentally different Ways, and it is going to be a huge challenge for our industry as we try to sort through it.
And uh, you know, the way you do these things is you experiment.
And and some experiments work and some don't, and you just keep learning.
It is not just about daily tracking at Rasmus and Reports.com.
You can learn today, for example, that 54% oppose that ridiculous cash for clunkers plan to spur the purp uh purchase of greener cars.
Sixty-one percent of Illinois voters say they would definitely vote against Roland Burris, which is probably why he's decided not to run.
So it's just uh a horn of plenty at Rasmusreports.com.
Scott, it's a pleasure to have you, and thank you very much for not just for the nuts and bolts, but some of my nosy questions about uh about inside baseball.
I appreciate it.
I enjoyed it, thank you.
Scott Rasmussen, Rasmussen Reports.
All right, anything in there that uh gives you something you want to hop on the phones about, be my guest.
It's the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I'm Mark Davis filling in, and it's one-eight hundred-282-2882-1800-282-2882.
And let's gather some folks who've called that number, and let's do it next on the EIB network.
It is the Friday Rush Limbaugh Show.
For about another 35 minutes, anyway, and then all of our weekends begin.
And I hope the weekend holds great things for you.
And I know Monday holds great things because it's the return of Rush and the Sotomayor hearings.
Oh my, what uh what a gift from the talk show gods that's gonna be, I guess, huh?
And um and lots of topics will be there then.
Right now, let's take a look at some things that are fresh for the day and the week gone by, whatever you want to do, 1-800-282-2882.
I'm Mark Davis Inforush, as we head to Youngstown, Ohio on the phones.
And Gene, hi, you're on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I'm Mark Davis.
How are you?
Hey, Mark, how are you doing?
Uh taking my call.
Um one thing I wanted to was hoping to be able to ask Scott was about Ohio and uh the polling that shows that the Ohioans, uh the sheeple, as I call them in Ohio, look like a lot of them are starting to wake up.
And uh, Ohio in Rasmussen, and I think Quinnipac also showed Ohio as the first state where he has less than fifty percent uh positives.
And if Scott's right, uh and I think uh not to be able to channel Scott here, but I've I think it just harmonizes with his point about the economy.
Makes me think about big states where the economy's in the crapper, like oh sorry, oh Ohio and Michigan and states where Republicans might really be able to make some inroads if we if we play smart.
Right.
Well, where I live is northeastern Ohio, and uh I don't know, it's gonna take a while before I think before the people wake up here because uh, you know, they're they're all glad, I guess now that General Motors is uh owned by the government is going to be taken care of because that'll protect all the union jobs and everything.
But uh the only other comment I was gonna make is that uh you know, I've just been wondering about the polls with uh the state-run media being taken over by the Michael Jackson stories.
I mean, uh I noticed that when I turned on my TV, it wasn't whustling at me all the time like uh, you know, uh before Michael Jackson.
Now all of it was doing was, you know, going beat it every time I turned it on, but before I was going to be aware of the yeah, it is it it's I'm intrigued at what happens with the public attention span.
And uh for this past week I've understood how the death of Michael Jackson is an obviously big thing.
But doggone it, I mean, with all the anchors going out there, I mean Brian Williams, Katie Curry, Charlie Gibson for crying out loud.
And now that now that he's been properly memorialized and even the stamp thing has gone away, even Nancy Pelosi realizes that's a dumb debate to have right now.
Look look what happens.
We get the opportunity.
It's it's like a big breath of fresh air to actually examine some issues that are in our lives.
And as we do that, uh I'm that might not be such great news for this White House as as the as the stimulus continues to fail as employment numbers continue to be high.
I I wonder what the Sotomayor hearings will do.
I mean, that'll be kind of interesting to see how she fares.
But I I for one I under I always understand why things are a big deal, but I'm really glad that next week we get uh, you know, we a l a little less coverage from Michael Jackson's driveway and a little more from uh, you know, from from Capitol Hill.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.
Um let's do this rather than um yeah, rather than give somebody like 60 seconds.
Let me um let me get to the bottom of the hour and then come back.
Speaking of um of Supreme Court people, uh I mentioned that there was a um let's do the Prince Charles thing first, and then the shocking words from Ruth Bader Ginsburg that you'll read in the Sunday New York Times magazine.
First Prince Charles.
Good grief.
And again, I don't care what Prince Charles thinks about anything.
But if someone steps forward with ridiculousness, it's always fun to take a look at.
We have ninety-six months to save the world to avert irretrievable climate and ecosystem collapse and all that goes with it.
Charles.
Play some polo.
You know, say hi to Camilla and shut up.
I, however, intend to do nothing of the kind.
Mark Davis, back in a moment on the Rush Limbaugh show.
Well, you can't get out of the week without one Michael Jackson bumper.
And it might as well be maybe the best record the guy ever did.
Greatness of Billy Jean, man.
And the visual that accompanies this for me is that Motown 25 show.
I know we've gone through well, two and a half hours in, and I've it's the first mention I've made of Michael Jackson, probably a good thing, because I'm kind of Michled out.
But you know the reason that's such a hard conversation to have is that it's almost impossible to find objectivity.
And in fact, the two big topics of week have obviously, you know, for the last ten days, let's say, have been Michael Jackson and Sarah Baylon.
No what they have in common?
It's impossible to discuss them.
In the following way.
For Governor Palin, she either has to be the next Margaret Thatcher or uh a dismissable idiot.
Anything in between.
You know, you you d dare to suggest her strengths to it to a hater and you will be mocked.
Dare to suggest her weaknesses to a fan and and you and you will be v viciously derided.
Objectivity just almost impossible to find.
I happen to think that she is a very promising figure, but boy, does she need to get sharper than she is now.
You know, oak oo.
You know, I want that for her.
You know, I I want her to come back and, you know, that let's have this newfound freedom that she's gonna have, this very self-created pressure of coming out of the governor's office and let's bone up on some things, man.
Let's let's let's do some reading.
Keep all the charm, all the spunk, all the attributes that she already has and add to them by, oh, I don't know, becoming sharp.
Sharper.
You know, uh it's uh silly me.
I want her to add to her positives.
Um, with Michael, uh it is impossible to uh to dismiss both uh to avoid both sides of of his coin.
One side of the coin is the musical genius and master entertainer.
He died the most famous person in the world.
I kind of blurted that out a few days ago on the show, and then I kind of stopped myself and said, Wait a minute, is that is that really true?
Probably an exercise I should engage in more.
Uh and then but it it survived the test.
Undeniably the most famous person in the world.
And um but uh but the other side of the coin is uh and and I'm not gonna go Peter King on you, and I love Congressman King, but boy, when he went off on that thing about he's a pedophile, he's a child molester.
It's like, dude, tap the brakes a little.
I it's it's possible.
I know.
I'm as creeped out by uh, you know, his desire to have nine-year-old boys over for sleepovers as anybody, but I gotta tell you, I always held out the possibility that he never did anything specifically sexually predatory to any kid.
Now, as Peter King went on to say, asked to back up that uh sort of sex abuse uh narrative that he laid down, he said, Look, even if you didn't do any one of a number of things, it's inherently sick to have a grown man sleep with a nine-year-old boys.
True.
True.
But the whole notion of was he, I mean, did he actually have sex with any pre-adolescence, I don't know.
And um and I believe there's a strong possibility that he didn't.
I mean, when he was always asked about all this stuff, he was genuinely offended and not so much offended as taken aback.
Like, what how can you how can you think I would do such a thing?
He is a nine-year-old boy is the thought that I've always had.
Permanently stunted and just mentally smothered by whatever demons and neuroses and trappings of his sick upbringing were with that uh uh piece of cake uh father of his.
Piece of work, piece of something.
Um I don't know.
And uh that doesn't make oh, pleased, it doesn't make it all right.
But don't construe this really as a strong defense, because there is perversity here that that will just give me the willies for a lifetime.
Um I think we all just found it too easy to presume, well, if he's surrounded by nine-year-old boys, that must be why.
Well, maybe not.
Because this guy was so whacked out and so blind to external expectations.
And and by that I mean, you know, the world thinks it's gross for a grown man to be sleeping with nine-year-old boys.
He was blind and deaf to that, and God knows no one in that sycophant entourage of his was ever going to try to set him straight on it.
Or maybe they did and failed.
But either way, that's kind of antithetical to the usual pedophile, you know, child molester mindset.
They're kind of proud of it.
They'll kind of talk to you about it.
You know, um I will never forget uh when uh my first talk show ever, Jacksonville, Florida.
And I got a chance in 1982, I guess, 82, 83, go down to the Florida State prison in Stark, great great town name for a prison, Stark, Florida, just southwest of Jacksonville, uh, to the good people at the Florida State Prison who gave me the chance to interview a couple of days before his very deserved execution.
Uh a gentleman named I used the term loosely, Arthur Good.
He had uh uh raped and killed, I believe a number of young boys.
I think the the charge that got him was just one particular case.
And what he would do, the the re the way I stumbled across Arthur is he would write me letters.
He was apparently a big strong P1 down there from the uh from the Florida State prison.
He was a listener to my show, and what a you know great honor that was.
And um he wrote me so much in fact he wrote me and he said, Mr. Davis, um they're trying to take away my male privileges.
And so I just thought, whatever.
I I thought, is there a talk show topic in here?
So I wrote to Richard Duggar, the superintendent of the um of the prison, and um and said, What's the deal?
This guy says his male privileges are being uh taken away, blah, blah, blah.
And Superintendent Duggar did me the favor of sending me some copies of some of Arthur's other letters.
Arthur's other letters tended to be detailed graphic descriptions of the sex and death that he visited on the sons of the parents he wrote to.
So every once in a while a grieving parent could get something in Arthur's crayon familiar scroll uh that said, Hey, Mr. or Mrs. Whatever, here's what I did to Billy.
So that's why they kind of curtailed Arthur's male privileges.
Um a couple of days before his execution, um I went down and interviewed him.
It's weird because I hate the attention given to you know these folks, j by and large I do.
But what was I, 1983?
I'm 26.
I got I got the same goofy, morbid fascination as everybody else, and that I probably still have.
Uh and uh and I didn't go down there and please not to you know glorify this dude.
In fact, the the the way the all I did was go down and tell the guy how that you're one of the sickest creatures around.
Why don't you get it?
How do you not get that what you did was wrong?
I guess it was my own weird fascination that drove me more than anything else, and I got an earful of it.
The guy was he was all about, and just pardon me for this detail, but it just all he wanted to do, I swear to God, marry Ricky Schroeder.
I know.
This was, you know, pre-NYPD blue, more silver spoons.
And he said, why shouldn't I be able to do that?
In fact, if if an eleven or twelve and I talked to him, I said, uh it's so funny at one point he said, Are you insane?
And there was almost an odd ironic comedy to that.
I'm on death row interviewing this guy.
Are you crazy?
And I God, I wish I still had the tape of this.
That'd be not for airplay here, unless you really wanted.
No, it just it was just so odd.
And he said that if uh if a ten-year-old or eleven-year-old boy, you know, could pass some psychological exam showing that he was, you know, mature enough to be in a relationship with a grown man, it ought to be okay.
And I just left there kind of wanting to vomit.
But the the point was that and I guess I've run across or read about the the mindset of of these folks.
The whole NAMBLA thing don't get me started.
They're mouthy about this.
They're all about the we ought to be able to do this.
You know, this is something we ought to be able to do.
So I don't know.
Um but on the to return to the whole thing about Michael Jackson, the two sides of the coin, i if you look at just the musical genius and not the perversity, it's an incomplete story.
If you dwell only on the perversity and not the incredible entertainer that he was, it's an incomplete story.
And nobody wants to do that.
All the people who think he's a freak, and he pretty well was just don't want to be bothered with how great Thriller was.
And all the people who just love him for his contributions to our popular culture, they don't want to be brought down by the buzzkill uh of of his I mean, let's face it, profound mental illness.
So, you know, uh just once again, objectivity largely impossible there, but um what a week.
What uh what a week.
All righty.
Well let's uh let's go ahead and take the pause here so we can come back and have a good fat segment filled with happy calls or unhappy calls.
I don't know.
I don't know until I take them.
I hop what I hope they're whether whether they're pleased or displeased with me, I hope they're glad to be on the show, because Lord knows I am.
Mark Davis filling in for Rush.
Rush is back on Monday, and that really makes me happy, and I know it does you too.
1-800-282-288-2.
We will continue.
The Friday Rush Limbaugh Show.
Mark Davis filling in.
Let's take care of some people.
I know time is short, so brevity will serve us both, and it's usually a greater challenge for me.
So let us hop to Westchester, New York first.
Dan, Mark Davis on the Rush Limbaugh show.
Hi, how are you?
Uh hi, Mark.
Uh thanks for taking my call.
Um I originally called to discuss uh the Rasmussen uh poll, uh, but then you threw out some chum on uh Sarah Palin.
If I can just make one quick comment.
Sure.
Uh it really isn't a question of boning up, it's a question of habit of mind.
I mean uh i i if a person can create, you know, uh a syllogism that says, I live next door to a la to Russia, therefore I'm a uh you know, I know foreign policy.
It isn't a question of how much foreign policy she could cram in in the books that she reads.
It's a question of how could she possibly construct that thought.
But that that's not why it's a big thing.
Well, but but there I bet I bet there are politicians that you like who have engaged uh who who have made similarly or even m more uh uh uh an even longer stretch than that, and you let it go because you liked them.
That's the same thing.
So I think you're just you're just uh that's probably true.
Okay, well then you know what?
Then good uh bless you for clarity on that, appreciate it.
Part of human nature, go to the second thing you wanted to cover.
Okay.
Uh the second thing had to do with the Cox uh uh the Rasmussen uh poll.
I thought you were looking for uh a narrative that that was not there.
And the narrative is you started by you introduced the segment by saying, well, I hope that the uh country is beginning to smell the coffee as if at least I inferred from that that you were suggesting that the country was now becoming disaffected from Obama in general.
Rust Mexican.
Uh okay.
Okay.
But what Red But Russ M Rasmussen did not give that.
Give that.
What he said was there was a direct correlation between the performance uh uh rating and the economy.
Has the economy continued to falter, the performance rating would go down.
You then expressed as as I think it was logical.
Well, then why are his approval ratings holding up more or less?
And there is no contradiction in that because I think the approval ratings have more to do with like have a lot more to do than just like ability, as you suggested.
Correct.
So I don't know.
And in fact, uh and maybe it was just uh yeah, I mean 5148 overall, if you take all the approval, all the disapproval, it's still 5148 approved.
I in in the 3732 strongly disapprove versus strongly approved, yes, that is me hoping that people are becoming dissatisfied with the guy's policies.
You you really if if this is what you mean, you're totally right.
Any president's gonna take it on the chin when the economy goes bad, correct.
But uh f and let me scoot, thank you so much, get me back any t any time I'm here, get me back.
Let's roll two.
Uh, we are.
You know where I want to go?
Let's go the fine capital of the Commonwealth of Virginia in Richmond, John.
Mark Davis in for Rush Limbaugh.
How are you?
Oh, I'm doing great.
How are you?
Good.
Thanks.
Good.
I've been listening to uh Rush since about the fall of 89, and I really enjoy when uh when you and uh the other Marks uh really fill in for him.
Uh so uh I I called not so much to disagree with you, but just to take a little issue with this idea.
I think as conservatives, we really are kind of stepping in it if we're going to seriously debate whether Mr. Jackson actually did things to these kids or if he merely slept with them overnight.
You know, it's we want to be fair, certainly, but uh what's wrong is wrong, you know.
Oh, no doubt about it.
I but but wouldn't you agree that there's a difference?
I mean, and pardon the short time, but because you're A, you're totally right about that.
But if we're really going to see what we ought to think about someone, wouldn't you think there's a difference between between someone who is mixed up enough to think that it's okay to sleep with little boys and someone who actually has sex with them?
Silly me, I think that one's a lot worse than the other.
Well both are wrong, but one's really wrong.
Well, I don't disagree at all.
It's just that, you know, in either case, I don't think any of us with an ounce of sense would have trusted our nine-year-old kid with him.
Completely right.
And that was sort of Peter King's point is that anybody who's seeking to say, well, he might not have had actual sex with him.
Anyone seeking to say that in that case nothing really bad happened there, or with Al Sharpton up there saying to the kids, wasn't nothing strange about your daddy.
Well, you know what?
First of all, I have nothing to say about that because that's just Al being nice to the kids.
But those words on a piece of paper, guess what?
There was plenty strange about their daddy.
Okay.
Uh nothing strange about the clock.
It says got to take a final break, come back, take a final call or two.
So let's do so.
Mark Davis in for Rush on Friday on the EIB network.
Friday Rush Limbaugh Show, couple of minutes.
Let's use them well.
If anybody ever asks you, what's about two-thirds up the highway from Chicago up I-94 to Wisconsin, answer is Mundaline, Illinois, the WLS listening area, where right after Rush, you get my buddy Ro Khan.
And hopefully a listener to both shows, John is with us in Illinois.
How are you doing, sir?
Hey, I'm good.
Thanks for taking my call.
Um all week I've been hearing uh the assertion made that part of the reason Sarah Palin resigned is because she feels badly treated by the media.
And I just wanted to real quickly ask about a comparison between Mrs. Palin and uh probably America's most other prominent female political figure, Hillary Clinton.
On the program that you're currently hosting and throughout conservative broadcasting, Mrs. Clint Clinton for years has been portrayed as an anti-American socialist, uh no family values, doesn't support the troops, uh maybe a lesbian who probably had fostered who probably had Lynch fostering.
Let's cover it.
You made your you made your point.
We've got we got a minute, let's cover it.
Because it's a fa it's a f it's a totally fair question.
Here's my fair answer, and then you'll even give you the last word.
No doubt more anti-Hillary words have been spoken on talk radio than maybe anti-Sarah Palin words ever will, but that's just from the the amount of material.
In terms of fairness, unfairness, I I don't know.
I I mean I I you're apparently a Hillary fan.
Do you think that of of the things that have been said about her that are that are negative that that so many of them are are horribly, horribly undeserved?
Well, I think that uh I I don't think that anybody ever called Mrs. Palin a lesbian murderer.
I guess that's my point.
I don't think that's Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton didn't feel compelled to be a little bit more.
There's a short reason for that.
As time expires, as time expires, there's a short reason for that.
If Sarah Palin ever gets as close to the presidency as Hillary did, uh then let's examine that, and then we'll have apples and apples.
But it's a fair question.
I appreciate it.
Thanks for all the questions and answers.
God bless you, uh, Ed and Kit and everybody.
Thank you, Rush, for letting me fill in.
Rush is back Monday.
I'm Mark Davis.
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