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May 12, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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May 12, 2009, Tuesday, Hour #2
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One more audio sound by this whole Colin Powell, L. Rushball kerfuffle.
But let me ask you this.
Before the soundbite, is anybody out there think that when the presidential election of 2012 rolls around, that there is any Republican candidate that Colin Powell would endorse over Barack Obama.
No.
There's no way.
You know what really irritates Colin Powell about me?
You pr you probably will not remember this.
But it's back in the 90s, and it's right after the Gulf Wall, when we won the wall in a matter of two days.
And Bush had a 90% approval, and Colin Powell's approval ratings were sky high.
He was in the 70s or 80s.
And he was toying with taking uh uh uh change of direction his career and running for office.
He wouldn't announce what party.
And he wouldn't tell anybody what he stood for.
He had 75% approval numbers based on uh character and image, but wouldn't tell anybody what he stood for on any issue, wouldn't even say what party.
Now, there were people like me at the time who thought it kind of matters what party, General Powell, you're gonna choose.
Kind of Well, I mean, okay, maybe uh maybe that's right.
No, there weren't people wondering that Russia, it was just you.
Uh, and and I said, you know, I I'm I remember Powell was on Larry King Alive one night.
Larry King Alive tore into me.
Powell didn't say anything about it, but uh that's what this is really all this goes back decades, a year ago, uh 14 years ago, 15 years ago.
And I finally said, look, what we all know is that when he takes a position on something, and you you can't run for office without taking a position on abortion, for example.
Once he takes a position on that, that approval number is going to go from 70 to 40.
Or 70 to 50.
He's gonna he's gonna at some point he's gonna he's gonna lose support based on issues.
So when's he gonna take stand?
I kept saying, what do you believe?
I mean, if this all great and good that you want to run for office, what do you believe?
Are you a Republican or Democrat?
I think it's kind of important.
Well, at this time, everybody else was fawning and dropping to their knees.
He was almost the precursor to Obama.
He was almost being treated exactly like Obama back then.
So that's that's the root of this.
And then I threw another bomb when after he endorsed Obama, I said there can only be one reason for this.
The guy's a Republican.
And the Republicans have nominated the precise candidate he would choose, John McCain, a moderate Republican.
He's endorsing Obama.
It's got to be about race.
There can be no other ex Well, that's a taboo.
You're supposed to not say that.
Not supposed to say that, but I said it.
And of course, the drive-by's had the predictable eruption uh over this.
But that's that's what this is all about.
Uh and of course, I'm far less popular with the drive-by's and the and the D.C. elites than Colin Powell.
That's where he's made his bones.
You know, that's where he's made his reputation.
That's where he got all the uh the great character attributes and so forth.
So last night, this on uh where was this?
This uh the Greta Man Sestrin had uh had Carl Rove on.
She said, when the Secretary of State left, and she means Colin Powell here.
Was he pushed out?
Was he shoved out?
I think it was clearly time.
I don't think there's a sense of bitterness here.
I'm not even certain that this was a something that upon sober reflection that Secretary Powell would believe that was the most artfully expressed way of putting this.
I mean, again, why get in a fight with Rush Limbaugh?
It's not a very comforting vision to say my vision for the Republican Party's future is for Rush Limbaugh to shut up.
That's not a very compelling and positive uh observation.
It's not the kind of thing that caused people to stand up and say, Yeah, that's the kind of Republican Party I want.
Rush Limbaugh shut up.
That's a very limited and narrow description of what ought to happen.
So it it makes a good point.
What idea is Powell offering the Republicans?
All the only idea Powell is offering the Republicans is that I should shut up.
That's Carl Rove's point.
That's the future of the Republican Party for me to shut up.
That's all he said about it, and yet all these drive-bys are out there suggesting he's the guy that the Republican Party needs to rally around to rebuild their party.
It's just nonsensical.
There's no common sense to this whatsoever.
This is like schoolgirl crushes.
This is it's it's it's it it's uh it's uh it's emotion, it's beliefs, but it's certainly not there's no rational thought behind any of this.
But I guess it's enough of that.
I want to move on to uh Obama's next takeover of health care.
It's gonna have a couple of meetings today, and after these meetings, it'll be fixed.
Health care will be fixed.
Here is uh after he participated in the round table with business leaders, about a dozen of them, uh Obama went out and said this.
The country is geared up, businesses are geared up, families are geared up uh to go ahead and start solving some of our uh extraordinary uh health care system problems.
Yesterday we focused a lot on cost.
Uh, one element of cost is that where companies are able to take initiatives to make their employees healthier, to give them incentives and and mechanisms uh to improve uh their wellness and and to prevent disease, uh companies see their bottom lines improve.
And so what we've done is to gather together a group today of some of the best practitioners uh prevention and wellness wellness programs.
Now, I can't cite the data to you now.
A couple weeks ago or within the last ten days I've read this, but there have been studies on all this wellness business that keeping people healthy, relatively healthy early in the does not save a dime.
Does not save a dime on health care.
All of this is a myth.
But you see, yesterday they fixed cost.
See that yesterday, well, yesterday we focused a lot on cost, uh, and today we had the providers in.
Today we had the providers in, so we got the providers to go along with our reduced cost plans of yesterday, and voila, health care is fixed.
Then he added this.
When you hear what Safeway or Johnson and Johnson or any of these other companies have done, what you've seen is sustained experimentation uh over many years and a shift in incentive structure so that employees see concrete benefits as a consequence of them stopping smoking or losing weight or getting exercise,
working with providers so that uh the provider incentives are aligned uh with the employee incentives as well, and changing uh the culture of the company.
Now, if we can do that in individual companies, there's no reason why we can't do that for the country as a whole.
What I'm just I'm at a loss.
We're talking this is this is not an abstract theoretical argument here.
This is absolutely...
It's bull feathers.
If we can change the culture of the company, well, then we can do that for the country.
I agree.
Change the culture of the company.
Barack Obama once again with his tentacles, digging deep into the private sector to change the culture of the company.
This is just absurd.
Employees see concrete benefits as a consequence of them stopping smoking or losing weight or getting exercise, working with health care providers so that the provider incentives are aligned with the employee incentives.
What is this gobbledygook?
This is bureaucrat ease.
This is utopian bullfeathers.
None of this can happen.
This is not why we have medicine in this country.
This is the these are these are the the wrong the wrong foundations.
People want health care because they get sick.
You can exercise all day long.
You can diet all day long, you can do everything he just said, and you're still gonna catch a virus.
Or you're still gonna get in an auto accident.
Or you're still gonna get cancer.
Something's gonna happen to you.
You want to be able look at fixing health care is simple.
It is not complicated.
It's only complicated because the simple fix runs opposite in the direction everybody wants to go.
The simple fix to health care, and I mean to say simple, is like it used to be, where the patient is the consumer and who when the patient pays what it costs for health care, that's when health care costs come down.
When somebody else is paying for it other than the patient, you can come up with all the incentives you want.
And they aren't gonna matter a hill of beans.
The biggest incentive to bringing health care costs down is this is as if it's the same thing keeping hotel costs down.
You pay for the hotel room you can afford in the hotel your budget can afford.
Right now, health care is priced so that hardly anybody can personally afford it.
You think this is by accident?
It by no means is by accident.
It's by design, cutting the consumer, the patient, the sick person out of the equation and farming the decision over cost and treatment either to insurance companies or the government, and not the doctor or the patient.
Somebody tell me this makes sense.
It doesn't make sense in any way, shape, manner, or form.
But you lure a bunch of consumers and patients into this because they think it's all free.
The companies pay in their health insurance, or somebody else is paying the bills, they gotta go copay here, then they get all caught up in the fact that, well, it's a pre-existing condition.
I can't transfer the company.
What a bunch of what a mess.
What an absolute gobbledygook mess.
It's so damn complicated, precisely because people like Barack Obama have had their hands on the health care business since the 60s.
And maybe even prior to that.
Now you're probably but Rush, but Rush, how do how do you how do you get it to the point where patients pay?
Well, I that's that's would definitely be almost impossible to do now.
I mean, we found a way to educate kids, right?
We found a way to kick kids in poor inner city schools, and with a voucher program where their parents in charge of how much money they have to spend, send them to better private schools in Washington.
Black kids, right?
And we know that it worked.
Guess what?
Shutting down the school.
President Obama shutting down the school.
Because it doesn't fit with his image of what this country's all about.
Private sector is not allowed to excel at anything.
The private sector excelling means somebody's getting screwed in his world.
The government in charge of everything means everybody gets treated fairly, even if at the end of the day, we're all treated miserably.
So now you got all these incentives.
You're gonna have to lose weight, stop smoking, all this sort of stuff, and that and you're gonna be incentivized to do that how?
Well, the business are gonna be incentivized to cut costs.
But you're not paying anything anyway as far as you are concerned.
Your business owners getting soaked, but most average Americans don't think they're paying anything.
It's a benefit.
And then when all this doesn't work, stand by for the next step, which is taxing the benefits that you get at your job that are health care as income.
Imputed income.
If your employer has to pay 10 grand a year for your medical insurance and your dental plan or whatever else he offers you, you're not taxed on that right now.
The day's coming where you will be.
I mean, it's imputed income.
You're getting it.
Transferred from one entity to you.
It's not a gift.
Somebody's having to pay for it.
So that'll be the next thing to come down the pike.
Anyway, a lot more to do on this.
Uh the Obama sound bites set it up, plus your phone calls will get to some next.
We'll go back to this.
Sit tight.
Don't go away.
I found it.
Here it is.
It's from the New York Times.
It's an op-ed piece.
From October 7th of 2008, campaign myth, prevention as cure all.
Let me just read you a couple of excerpts of this.
In a presidential campaign that promises straight talk and no gimmicks, why do both candidates champion one of medical care's most pervasive myths?
The myth is that like magic, preventive medicine will simultaneously reduce costs and improve health.
It may sound like common sense, but it's a myth.
The term preventive medicine no longer means what it used to.
Preventive medicine used to mean keeping people well by promoting healthy habits, exercising, eating a balanced diet, not smoking.
To their credit, both candidates ardently support that approach, but the medical model for prevention is not about that anymore.
The medical model for prevention has become less about health promotion and more about early diagnosis.
Both candidates appear to have bought into it.
Obama encourages annual checkups and screening.
McCain early testing and screening.
It boils down to encouraging the well to have themselves tested to make sure they're not sick.
And that approach doesn't save anybody money.
It costs money.
Increasing the amount of testing for an ever-expanding list of problems always identifies many more people as having disease and still more as being at risk.
Screening on heart disease, problems in blood vessels, a variety of cancers has led to millions of diagnoses of these diseases in people who would have never become sick.
And I know, I will bet you, you've experienced this because I have.
You go into the hospital with an upset intestinal tract, and four hours later, you've had three different tests and four different machines to figure out whether or not you got cancer.
And the doctors do this out of two concerns.
One, they want to find out what's wrong with you.
And two, liability concerns.
They're afraid you're going to sue them if they don't diagnose the problem.
None of this saves any money.
And in fact, it discourages a lot of people from going to the hospital with a problem because they know what's wrong with them.
I got an upset stomach.
I can't figure out a blockage.
I got something.
Something's wrong here.
They don't want to spend two days in the hospital missing work to get all the tests to find out what they already know because they've had it before.
Anyway, the point of all this is it doesn't save anybody money.
All this preventive stuff, all this incentivizing.
You've got to do all the exercise you want.
You go out and do all the balanced eating you want.
Go on and do that.
They're still going to tell you, go get tested.
Test for this, test for this, test for this, test for this.
Go get tested.
And you're going to get diagnosed as a...
Well, you're gonna showing a tendency here.
Well, this we got a little problem that we see here.
Uh blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Uh costs are gonna add up.
Meanwhile, you're doing everything Obama says.
You're exercising well, and I'll bet half of you aren't gonna do that.
You're gonna stop smoking and you're gonna eat balanced meals and all this, and you're gonna do this to make the company boss happy, the boss is gonna make you do it, because to keep the government happy, it's g it's it's we're all gonna end up wearing uniforms here, and we're gonna get memos every morning on our computers from Washington telling us what we have to do every day in order to qualify to be in their good graces.
Jennifer in Bloomington, Indiana, we we start on the phones with you, and uh great to have you here.
Welcome to the Rushlin Baugh program.
Thank you for taking my call, Russia.
It's an honor to talk to you over here.
Thank you.
Um, I'm fairly new to the daily monitoring of politics.
I've probably only been paying attention for the last year.
And I find myself feeling fairly defeated on a daily basis.
What uh what spurred your interest a year ago to get involved in this daily?
Um, well, the the uh nomination of Barack Obama for the Democratic Party.
I see.
Up to that point you you felt comfortable, you know, not paying much attention to it, ignorance is bliss.
Correct.
Yeah, okay.
But now you found out who he is, and this is starting to bother you every day.
Well, I just I mean, uh tens of billions of dollars from the auto industry here, the tens of billions of dollars for the healthcare industry here.
It doesn't I mean I don't see a good future in America.
I don't have any kids, I want to have kids, but I'm actually having second thoughts about that because I don't know that I'm gonna recognize the America that my kids would grow up in.
Well, you know, there's a I I mentioned this yesterday.
I I had a la three of the last uh or two of the last three weekends I've had twenty-four different friends of mine, their wives, in town, golf buddies and so forth, and every night after we get back from playing golf and the uh and the women get back from Networth Avenue uh shopping and so forth.
We sit around, we have a lot of fun at dinner and so forth.
I these these two weekends, and these are all achieved people.
I mean, these these are people who are accomplished, some of them are retired, semi-retired.
They all have kids, and they're all like you.
I I I've never I've never heard this kind of abject fear of our government expressed by these kinds of people.
Now, we've always had the 60s radicals and leftists who have uh, which is kind of ironic, they've always been afraid of what they call autocratic power, but now they voted for a guy who is an autocrat, who is an authoritarian, so it just it just matters who's wielding the power to them.
But I've never seen this kind of fear.
I have never seen, I've never heard people say the kind of things they're saying uh about the future and the concerns they have for it.
So you're not alone.
Well, I guess my my question with your vast amount of experience um witnessing this, commentating on it over the years.
What's the silver lining?
What uh what are we looking for as a sign that the pendulum's gonna swing?
Because it does seem to swing.
I mean, I'm only I'm only 30, I haven't been voting for all that long.
Yeah, I've participated in all the elections, but I I haven't experienced a lot of change.
I've been fortunate enough to vote for the winners up until now.
Yeah.
So what am I what am I watching for?
What's what's I mean, is it the state's rights legislation that that they're talking about?
What what are we watching for to feel like?
Well, that's that's what's different about this uh circumstance is that those those normal swings of the pendulum, uh, even people who think they're going to happen think they may be too late.
And that the mess that's going to be made is going to take a longer time than just one swing of the pendulum to undo.
Look, you keep your radio on, and I'm going to answer this when I have a little bit more time when we come back.
Thanks, Jennifer, for the call, and hang with us.
Don't give up.
All right, the questions on the table.
What do you look for to see the pendulum swing back the other way?
And and uh the uh accompanying question I always get, how do you stay uh optimistic?
You know, the pendulum, let's the the pendulum first swinging the other way.
What I've always relied on, and I've mentioned this over the course of the twenty plus years that I have hosted this program is my infinite faith in the American people.
I mean, we're a great country made up of great individuals, and somehow the country has always righted itself from heading down the wrong path or what have you.
Uh and I've whenever I've said this over the years, people have called me and said, Rush, we appreciate what you're trying to say, but you're missing a s you're missing a very crucial point, and that is more and more and more Americans are not great, and more and more and more are uneducated, more and more and more have been propagandized, more and more and more have been indoctrinated, and it's been happening in the schools for 30 or 40 years.
And so these new generations that you talk about that are going to graduate and grow up and refuse to accept the nonsense that their parents and grandparents have bequeathed them.
Uh Rush, you're gonna you it's not gonna happen.
We've got we're raising kids these days that have nothing is their fault.
They're little angels.
We've self-esteem courses, and everything that goes wrong is somebody else's fault, and they have been propagandized.
Nobody is being taught critical thinking.
Even when they get out of high school, they go into college, those that do get indoctrinated by Marxist professors at many places, and they would cite to me look at how easy it was for the people of this country to buy into a hoax like global warming.
Look how easy it was for otherwise reasonable and intelligent people to agree with the concept that the car they were driving could destroy the climate to the point that life, human life could not be sustained.
Look at how easy that was.
And I said, Well, I know why it's easy.
Because everybody wants to matter.
Everybody's uh w wants their life to have meaning.
And one thing I know is that a lot of people go through life thinking their life doesn't matter.
They go through life thinking their vote doesn't matter.
Yet their life really has no meaning.
They're lost souls wandering in the wilderness trying to find out who they are.
They're trying to be relevant.
As media, pop culture media has become more and more pervasive, definitions of success have changed.
Now getting on television, having your your entry on MySpace or Facebook and vomiting every bit of personal information about yourself.
This is considered now success.
It's considered, it's considered fame.
And as such, uh people are are they have they have a far different definite.
Plus Rush, you're forgetting too, they've had it so easy.
Economically, they grow up, and when they get out of college at 22 years old, they think they should have a $400,000 house or a $300,000 a year job.
And if they don't, they get all upset and think America's screwing them.
I've and I've always refused to believe it.
That is a majority of the American people.
I've always thought that there's this great bunch of unknown people who are not seeking fame and notoriety, who are just the people that make this country work.
And the uh the people that that uh uh are playing by the rules and follow the traditions and institutions that made the country great, because through all of these trials and tribulations, the country has survived.
But it's I'll tell you one thing I have to accept, it's a new challenge now.
I don't think even during the 30s, during the New Deal, this kind of massive authoritarian power was uh uh sought.
Uh, sure, Roosevelt did everything he could to empower the Democrat Party.
And I know that he did make some things, uh, uh, make some attempts here, pack the Supreme Court, try to get 12 terms or 12 years for himself, an additional term, try to get um fingers in some businesses and so forth.
It was hideous.
But even that we came out of it.
It took a while.
It took World War II to come out of it, and an economic boom to come out of it.
And uh so the the country has proved resilient.
So the the people are asking themselves now, but have as have we reached the point where a majority of voting Americans can actually be persuaded and fooled by a demagogue, by an empty suit, who simply talks in platitudes, offers nothing of real substance, and it appears so.
It appears so if you look at the last election results, it appears so.
However, on the other side of that, and this is this.
I hate to keep saying this.
I think with the proper candidate, Barack Obama could have been defeated.
Somebody who was fearless, somebody who had all of the correct issues and principles to run on about American greatness, American exceptionalism, how to inspire the American people to make that happen.
I think it could have I think he could have been beaten.
The problem is that that person doesn't exist, and in large measure the party doesn't exist.
That was provided you get two or three or four people of the party, they're great people, uh, and and they're and they're they're fine and dandy, but right now there's there's there's nobody willing to present this contrast.
There's nobody willing to contrast the awfulness that is this administration, what it's trying to do to this country with the things that have made this country great in the past.
This country doesn't need to be resurrected, it doesn't need to be saved.
It doesn't need to be brought back from the depths of destruction.
It's being taken there, if the truth be told.
So the pendulum, somebody's gonna come along at some point.
It will happen.
Until that time, the question must become Something other than what do I look for to give myself hope?
The question has to become, what are you going to do to give yourself hope?
Our last caller said she didn't want to have kids.
What was her name, Jennifer?
Jennifer, let me tell you something.
When I was 12, I remember hearing adults say that.
When I was 20, I remember adults say every generation thinks that times are worse than they've ever been.
Every generation has a group that thinks they're in the last days.
And every generation thinks this is not the kind of culture or the country I want to bring kids into.
That's exactly wrong.
People who have the opportunity to influence and raise children in the image of American greatness and exceptionalism should be doing it.
If you want kids.
The question is not, what do I sit around and watch?
What do I sit around and look for?
What do I, or who can I call to encourage?
This is something that every American is going to have to make happen.
By standing up and opposing the things that you disagree with.
And then hopefully having people to elect who'll represent you in these disagreements.
Some point that that is going to happen.
But for all I know, it's worth fighting for.
And to what extent, you know, I'm optimistic because of what has happened to me in my personal life.
I'm living a life I never dreamed.
So is my family.
Even with all this rot gut, it It can be done.
I do, like everybody else, I mean, I do at times was talking about it with my friends over the weekend.
In fact, I told one of my friends, I said, I'm afraid that before I finish, they're going to take it all away from me.
They're going to find a way to take it away.
Not because I'm Rush Limbaugh, just because they're going to need the money and it's going to be bad, and they're going to take it away from me and everybody else.
They're going to take everything away.
It's going to be a crime to be an achiever.
It's going to be a crime.
It's going to be, if it already is, I mean, the achievers in life are already being targeted by Barack Obama, wherever they are.
And he said to me, if you really think that, then get out.
If you really think that, get out while you can.
I said, Well, that's not my nature.
Get out while I can.
That'd be caving and giving up.
Plus, I don't want to anyway.
So you hang in and you stand up for what you believe.
You try to persuade others.
And it's an ongoing process, and it's very frustrating because you do run into people who are just not going to understand you because they're not even thinking.
They're emoting.
They've arrived where they've arrived on the basis of propaganda demagoguery, feelings, beliefs.
It's really an important thing to understand that a lot of people here that we wish would change their mind have beliefs, not thoughts.
They vote because they have beliefs and they believe Obama's this, or they believe global warming is doing.
They believe that their vote can change.
They believe.
It's almost like a faith.
You ask them to explain intellectually why they believe what they believe, they can't.
Just like people can't explain to you in a definitive way what their faith is.
They can tell you what the belief is, but what sustains the belief is faith.
And it's tough for for a lot of people to explain.
They just have it.
It's just something that is.
A lot of people don't have the faith, they're fatalists.
And a lot of people of that persuasion rely and reside on the on the left.
But it's times like this where I think a lot of people I've talked to felt this way during the first couple years of Bill Clinton.
And that wasn't half as bad as this is.
So it can be overcome and it can be defeated.
And what you have to ultimately realize is that what Obama's doing is not going to work.
And before everybody realizes it doesn't work and it's not going to work, it's going to be said to have worked.
The moment we get an economic uptick, the first moment the GDP goes up even 1%.
tenth of one percent, the parades and the drive-by media are going to start, Obama's stimulus has worked, and you're going to be depressed even more than you are now.
And that's when you have to take solid comfort in the fact that you it doesn't work, and at some point it's going to have to be fixed.
And if there's nobody around to fix it, it won't be.
So you have to hang around.
Besides, this is still a country where working in your own self-interest will achieve everybody else's self-interest as well.
Self-interest is uh different than selfish.
There's nothing wrong with self-interest.
And you're not operating in your self-interest if you just uh hell with that.
Ah, screw it.
That you're not operating in your self-interest if you do that.
I gotta take a break.
I'm a little long.
We'll uh be back after this and continue.
Stay with us.
Another thing to keep in mind, look, folks, only 53% of Americans voted for Obama, and that was after an economic collapse.
Fifty-eight million people voted against Obama.
All those people need is a political leader.
And they don't need somebody that's going to be Democrat light.
Obama could have been defeated.
This is what was so frustrating about the whole Republican primary campaign and the general campaign.
Could have been defeated and can be defeated in 2012.
All right, Lillian in uh in Du Bois, Pennsylvania.
Great to have you on the EIB network.
Hello.
Hi, thank you for taking my call.
Yes.
My comment is that I agree with the sugar tax due to the extensive damage sugar does.
I feel all sugary items should be taxed.
Just like alcohol is regulated, like hard drugs are illegal and so forth.
Well, no, that's just mind blowing.
Well, as I said, uh, sugar has been proven to kill more Americans every year than hard drug abuse.
I see nothing wrong with making it less affordable.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Sugar kills more Americans than what?
Drug abuse?
Hard drug abuse?
Uh exactly.
The diabetes epidemic, the the uh health problems that sugar contributes to that.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Well, just a second now.
Uh so you advocate taxing oranges.
No, I advocate advocate taxing anything that has white sugar in it.
Pastry, orange orange is full of sugar.
Oranges, grapefruit full of sugar, grapes are full of sugar.
Most fruits are full of sugar.
I advocate taxing anything with refined sugar.
It doesn't matter.
Fruits are natural sugar, they're not refined.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Refined sugar, brown sugar, natural sugar, fructose, corn fructose syrup, it's all does the same thing metabolically.
It doesn't matter.
As as I said, though, to take to make the refined sugars harder to get would uh take over half of the sugar consumption off the market.
Lily, let me try this different way.
What what business is it of yours if somebody wants to drink a Gatorade or a Coca-Cola or a Pepsi Cola?
What difference is it of yours?
Why should those people have to pay a tax?
What why punish them if if they like it, it's their life, it's their business.
What business is it of yours?
That's the famous thing, what business is it of mine if someone abuses cocaine?
No, hardly different.
Both totally different.
What nobody loses a job because they have there's no such thing as a sugar addiction per se, in this sense, and that it's mind-altering.
People do not destroy their own lives with sugar, they don't destroy their families' lives like they do with heroin or cocaine.
They don't commit crimes to get it.
Sugar is addictive.
People experience withdrawals.
This has been documented by several scientific studies.
People do ruin their lives.
Lillian, you're just wrong.
You're reading a bunch of gobbledygook from a bunch of nannies who want to manage and control everybody's lives, and it's nobody's b the next thing you're gonna tell me is that we need to ban water because it can drown people if it's not if it's not used correctly.
No, I do not believe that.
But did you know that sugar only became rampantly used and abused in the last fifty to seventy-five years?
Before that, uh people hardly ever ate sugar, only on a special occasion, rather than two or three pounds a day.
Uh they ate sugar every day if they had fruit.
Practically everything you eat has some sugars in it.
Refine it doesn't matter.
Does it Lillian it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
Sugar is sugar in terms of the terms of the metabolic effect.
It it I'm still optimistic, folks.
I'm still optimistic.
I was teetering there for a minute.
But I'm still optimistic.
I don't know about you folks, but uh most of the time I see people drinking diet coke.
They're way overweight, and the people drinking regular Coke or Green or Pep Pepsi are just skinny as a rail.
I mean, that's been my experience.
By the way, what do we Gatorade is loaded with sugar?
Have you checked the ingredients?
And those people that drink Gatorade, they're out exercising, doing what Obama thinks they should do.
We're still gonna tax them.
And there's another myth that eating sugar leads to diabetes.
It does not.
Eating sugar is not a direct correlation to getting diabetes.
There are many, many other factors, but look how people can be fooled into this.
What quick timeout.
We'll be back.
Don't go away, folks.
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