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April 24, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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April 24, 2009, Friday, Hour #2
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It is the second hour of the Friday Rush Limbaugh Show.
And from deep in the heart of Texas, I'm Mark Davis, and look forward to getting back on the horn with you about a wide variety of issues.
But I'm really looking forward to this as well.
One of the questions that hangs so thick in the air, especially since these people had the pardon the word audacity to invoke this, to oppose in retrospect, to historically criticize the level of interrogations.
That's fine, that's fair game, that's free speech.
To criminalize that which has made us safe goes to a level of pathology that's hard to wrap my brain around.
How long will this last?
Is it a function of the moment?
Is it an overreach?
And will this White House reign that back in?
There's evidence that maybe that's happening.
But there's a gentleman who's going to tell us, among a lot of things, because he can always talk to Byron York about a lot.
But his great column in the Washington Examiner involves a conversation he had with Ted Olson, former Solicitor General, whose magnificent wife Barbara, one of my favorite people was lost in the the 9-11 attacks.
And it is Ted Olson, former Solicitor General of the United States, that that this whole torture probe thing will simply never end.
So we'll start with that and go other places, I hope, with the always wonderful Byron York.
Welcome, sir.
How are you doing?
I'm doing great, Mark.
Good to be here.
You talked to Ted Olson, which uh it's funny, I've talked to him a couple of times in the intervening years since 9-11, and it just my heart is instantly tugged.
This is a magnificent man.
I always appreciated him.
I certainly always appreciated his wife.
When you sat down to talk with him, you found a special perspective from him, not just from his 9-11 laws, but his familiarity with the way Washington works.
That's it.
I you know, I thought he was particularly well qualified to talk about this, not only because of his experience in the Justice Department, uh, you know, his personal personal experience with terrorism, but also he knows a lot about the how the Washington investigation machine works.
Actually, in the 1980s, he was caught up in an in an independent counsel investigation that cost him a lot in terms of time and money and reputation, and ended up after years concluding that he'd never done anything wrong.
Um basically his bottom line was look, this the the president has opened the door, this is started, and he can't stop it now.
And we we could be looking at months and years of subpoenas and witnesses and commissions and committees and investigations and maybe even prosecutions, and it's a very, very long process, and and his experience in Washington tells him that once you start it, it's not gonna stop.
When did you speak with him?
Because it's really important.
Well, I mean, like what time was it?
Was it yesterday?
Was it the day before?
We talked yesterday morning.
Because the reason I ask, and what did you eat when you were talking?
No, I'm teaching.
Uh the the reason I ask is the the h headline today, and maybe it's only a one-day headline, is that maybe the president is distancing, if only a little from the the witch hunt theme, and maybe thinking twice about this, not with any regard as to whether it's right or wrong, because it's always about power with them, but the notion that it may not resonate so well, even among war critics.
So is it possible that that maybe there's a mild retreat on this?
And the it if the president is not that enthused about it, I guess the bad news is the president doesn't have to be.
Others can take this this witch hunt ball and run with it.
That's entirely right.
And I'll tell you, Mark, I am trying to figure this out because as we know what happened with last weekend on the Sunday shows, White House Chief of Staff, Rahmanuel goes on and says we don't want to prosecute anybody about this.
And this is after the president had chosen to release those Justice Department memos.
Then uh Tuesday in a photo op in the Oval Office, the President opens the door back up to possible prosecutions, but says he's gonna leave it up to the attorney general, and and then we've just been going on from there.
Today, by the way, um we have found out that the administration has decided to release 44 photographs of some of these interrogations in response to a lawsuit by the ACLU.
They were ordered to do so by uh a U.S. circuit court.
They could have appealed it to the Supreme Court, but they didn't.
They want to release this.
And now you have the president saying, well, he's not sure he wants a 9-11 style commission.
It wouldn't be a good idea.
So if you listen to the pundits, they'll all tell you that uh listen, this is the last thing Barack Obama wants.
He doesn't want a long investigation of his predecessor's administration.
But on the other hand, the president is doing the very things that have started that.
He released the memos.
He opened the door to prosecution.
He's releasing photographs in response to a court case that he doesn't even have to respond to yet, at least.
So he's playing both sides of the streets on this.
Byron York with us, chief political correspondent for the Washington Examiner.
In trying to make our own crystal ball as to where this might go, how far it might go.
I guess it's always instructive to see, all right, against what landscape is this occurring, against what backdrop.
And if there is a major theme these days, it is that for the left, for the Bush critic, the war critic, whatever, it is not enough to have history prove them right.
Those who ever disagreed with them must be chased from the public square and must lie in the ash heap of reputational ruin.
And only years of these kinds of uh of tribunals will do that.
Well, the pressure the president is facing pressure from that group.
Listen, if you looked at what some of these people were saying last year, during the campaign, before Obama was elected, some of them were debating whether uh there should be Nuremberg style trials for Bush administration officials, and they use that word, Nuremberg style, or whether there should simply be a truth commission.
The the moderates favored the truth commission.
This is something they've wanted, and there's a lot of pressure on the left for the president to to acquiesce to that.
Just a couple of days ago, George Soros sent out uh an email saying that he had joined a call for a 9-11 style commission.
Uh that's what moveon.org, a very, very influential, powerful internet group wants.
The president is under pressure to do this, and here again, releasing the memos, opening the door to prosecution, you can't shut the door again.
The Great Byron York, in our couple of remaining minutes, if you don't mind, a little inside baseball.
We remember so fondly uh your years uh with National Review, uh, what happened there, and what's with this examiner world that's attracted you, Bill Salmon, other heroes of mine?
What what kind of uh what kind of allure have they got to do?
You neglected to say we have just added Michael Barone, I think the great would refer to Michael Barone uh quite nicely.
I mean, so meaning meaning that he uh is as is is he able to multitask or is he no longer in the U.S. news world?
Michael Bor Barone has left U.S. news and has joined the Washington Examiner.
What's going on here?
Well, uh, we're very serious about ramping up our political coverage and uh giving the best political coverage that uh that we can every day.
And uh we have me, we have Michael, we have Chris Starwalt, we have a lot of other uh terrific uh writers.
And I I will tell you that uh my years at National Review, I was uh uh there for eight years were absolutely terrific.
They're the best.
Uh it was it was a very good experience.
Uh but basically we were starting something new and exciting at the examiner, and um I was just very tempted to do it, and uh and it's been great.
Uh you can read all of these good folks and their their magnificent work at Examiner Politics, examinerpolitics.com.
In our remaining minute, let's talk about the role of of punditry.
Uh all of our lives are different, those of us who, you know, deal in opinions for a living, uh, as we come up on the first hundred days here that will be viewed as some new type of solstice by those covering it.
How's this worked out for you compared to what we were all thinking looking at each other at the inauguration?
Well, I'm not all that surprised.
I was just talking to somebody uh in the Senate of a few minutes ago as a matter of fact, and I said, Well, what do you think about these hundred days?
And he says, Well, he's got he's done the things that we knew he would be able to do.
You can push through big spending measures if you have fifty-eight senators uh in the Senate, and you have uh what, two hundred and fifty-six uh Democrats in the House.
Uh clearly he's not gonna get everything he wants on stuff like cap and trade.
We'll see what happens with health care.
Um but what's happened is we have seen this uh consistent personal popularity of the president.
He is still personally popular, and we have seen his positions on the various issues like like terrorism detainees, like cap and trade, energy, health care, to be ten, fifteen, sometimes even twenty points below his popularity rating.
So does do those issues bring his popularity rating down?
Does his popularity bring those issues up?
Well, Republicans are betting that the issues will bring him down as summer goes on.
I invoked Crystal Balls.
Let me ask for you to peer into yours and tell me about the fate of Janet Napolitano and Kathleen Sebilius.
Boy, I tell you, the Napolitano thing is just amazing.
I mean, not only has she's angered all the Republicans with this this right wing extremist report, but you know, the whole country of Canada is apoplectic about her now, you know, suggesting that the Canadian border somehow terrorists are pouring over the Canadian border, and it's you know, you have to pay as much attention to that border as what as the Mexican border where you have illegal immigrants coming over and a hyper violent drug cartel war going on.
I mean, it's it's she she really needs to be quiet for a while.
There's no indication that the White House has lost faith in her.
But a lot of people on Capitol Hill are very upset about her.
As far as Sabelius is concerned, she is the last member of the Obama uh cabinet not to be sworn in, confirmed.
And uh it is still a little bit dicey because people want to know more about this abortion issue.
Yeah, because she apparently just I I mean, listen, you know a a lie is something that you know that you know someone knew the truth and and fudged it with the purpose of deceiving.
I mean, uh that that's to to misspeak is not to tell a lie, to to r to share uh bad information because you got bad information is not a lie.
But it sure looks like she just flat out lied about this contribution from this radical abortionist, and does does her fate kind of depend on how firm that fact becomes.
It depends on how firm that fact is and about how firm Democrats in the Senate want to be on pushing her through.
You have to remember uh a lot of them spent some a lot of their patience on confirming Timothy Geidner, even though he he had these tax problems.
Uh senators do not like to be flat out lied to.
They really don't, of both parties.
It's one thing that unites members of both parties.
So it it definitely means she is not out of the woods.
Washington Exameter.com, find Byron York and his increasingly impressive list of colleagues at Examinerpolitics.com.
Great success to you there.
It's just always a pleasure to talk to you, Byron.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mark.
Good to be here.
It is the Rosh Limbaugh Show.
I'm Mark Davis filling in.
So I tell you what, let's do.
Let's hit this first break, come back and start talking to people some more.
But Byron has given us another couple of topical layers.
If you're uh not totally up to speed on exactly what's well, it's most limbaugh listeners are, I know.
But if you just sort of need the latest of the latest on what's going on with the drum beat for Janet Napolitano's head, and i i and is that right or wrong?
And uh and the Sibelius matter.
We'll cover those real quick and then uh blend that into various other thoughts that you have on this wonderful Friday.
It's open line Friday on the Rush Limbaugh Show, and see no reason to conduct it any differently.
If uh you got a thought you want to share, bring it.
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I'm Mark Davis in for Rush, and we'll continue in just a moment.
It's the Rush Limbaugh Show for a Friday.
I'm Mark Davis filling in from Proud Limbaugh Affiliate, WBAP Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas.
Home of the returned uh President George W. Bush and Laura.
I think I had the chance to fill in sure I did, over the holidays a little bit, and I told you about having uh been to the White House Christmas party.
And the the you know with 500 people and you do the photo line and you basically get like 45 seconds.
I subsequently, and I don't think I've had the chance to to deliver you this enormous name drop, had the opportunity to be with about a half dozen of my talk show compadres in the Oval Office when the president was about a week from being done.
I'll I'll give you some more on that either later today or or when we are back together on Friday, May eighth.
The reason I bring this up is uh now that he is back and he's back here, and there's as you might expect, an enormous amount of attention about about the House, and there's uh secrets uh secret service all over the place.
And it has not been a nightmare for the neighborhood.
Most of the neighbors are are quite pleased.
They have they got a security fence at the end of the road now, and uh and it's not as though the the former president and his wife are, you know, are showing up like where's Waldo at uh various places all over town, they're playing it pretty low-key.
And uh I'm not even sure really how much uh time he's spending here in the Metroplex.
He's spending some time down in Crawford doing some traveling.
I think he's done one pretty big speaking engagement, mostly right in the book, uh, which will tend to keep you behind closed doors a while.
He's not the kind of guy where you're gonna, you know, wind up seeing him at some uh uh, you know, Dicky's barbecue uh out in Plano or anything like that.
So um it's but it's just it's nice to have him here.
It is uh it's nice to have him here.
He did the reason I tell the Christmas party story is he did exactly what he said he was going to do.
And that was when my wife Lisa and I had the opportunity to shake his hand, Laura's at the Christmas party.
I said, uh get ready to get ready to head back home, sir.
We look forward to serving all of your talk show needs.
And he said, Glad to be coming home, Mark.
Tell them we're coming home with our heads held high.
And that is exactly what he did.
And this is the sentence that'll come out of a conservative talk show host's mouth five hundred times, phrased a little differently, no matter how you hear it.
Were there issues that I differed with the president on?
Yeah.
But um he kept my family safe for seven years.
And yours.
Lowered my taxes too, which I liked.
And I just so yearned to tie ourselves back into sort of the premise of the day, taking the Tea Party spirit and just reaching for that November 2010 election day finish line and then reaching for that November 2012 finish line,
when hopefully what's finished will be the pernicious agenda that seeks to rob us blind, establish an even deeper, more profound uh culture of dependency, uh, and sacrifice our liberties in the process.
This must stop.
And um you know this Rush Limbaugh show is going to be a major outpost uh at which observations are made for for the progress of that effort.
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Let's go back to some calls, folks waiting while we talk to the wonderful Byron York.
Uh we are in Kansas City, Missouri.
Mark, Mark Davis, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Hi.
Hey, Mark, thank you for taking my call.
I just had a question.
I was wondering, did anyone in the Nixon administration investigate in pursuit of prosecute anyone in the Kennedy and Johnson White House for the abysmal failure of Vietnam?
What a superb revisitation of history.
Was there this it's the word of the day, fetish for looking back in history and not when when Nixon became president in January 1969, we were in the middle of the worst kind of uh of of Vietnam types of protest.
And remember that even in the middle of that, in g in in November 1972, in the middle of anti-Vietnam fervor, he beat the holy stuffing out of an anti-war Democrat.
Uh maybe that um maybe that took a lot of the passion away that that would have otherwise been directed at punishing retroactively those who got us into Vietnam.
I don't know.
Yeah, they're in control now, and uh if they wanted to show uh non-hypocritical uh stance, it'd be real good for them to start there.
Uh these hippies are now in office.
Uh have them go back and investigate um that war first and then go back and um investigate uh George Bush.
Let's take them in order.
Mark, thank you.
My best everybody in Kansas City.
Another Byron York column, in fact, that he's cranked out recently is why is the left so angry?
Uh is running the is one party rule not satisfying enough?
Uh is uh and obviously the answer is apparently not.
Having a Democrat in the White House, lovely.
Having a Democrat in the you know, Democrat uh majorities in the House and Senate, lovely for the left.
No, it's not enough.
And I think I got a couple of answers.
I'll give you the short versions now, get another call real quick and see if you want to hop on to this topic.
Uh the left is frustrated, again, because uh the moment they got power, now they got to actually go to work.
What they really want to do is ruin the reputations of anybody who ever disagreed with them.
The tax cuts must be portrayed retroactively as evil.
The war, even though it's working, must retroactively be referred to as as some abysmal failure.
Conservatives who rise up on something like a Tea Party Day must be savaged reputationally.
So and and these are these are political bigots.
Political bigotry is the same as racial bigotry or religious bigotry, just hating somebody because of what they are.
Now, do we practice that sometimes?
Yeah, sure.
Is there such a thing as somebody who will discover that you're a liberal and no longer shake your hand or even give you the time of day?
Yeah.
And you know what?
That's ugly too.
You know what the difference is?
Our political bigots are not in Congress.
Political bigots on the right tend not to be in important policy-making decisions.
And um I think the other reason that there is discord on the uh on the left uh was on display in Denver when I was there for the the Democratic Convention.
I covered both conventions, as I always knew.
What a what a bookends experience that is, especially this year.
But there are a ton of people for whom, even the current Obama Pelosi uh Harry Reed uh Democratic Party, there are people for whom they're not liberal enough.
I I know.
I know.
Oh, there were protesters all over the place at the Democratic National Convention of because the Democratic Party so f so radicalized compared to the Democratic Party of the 50s and early 60s, even that party, not wild-eyed, bug-eyed left enough for them.
Wow.
Mark Davis filling in for Rush Limbaugh.
Let's get this quick pause out of the way, and then we will return with more of your thoughts.
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It is Friday.
It is the Rush Limbaugh Show, and we're very glad you're here, listening along on the EIB Network.
And Rush will be back on Monday.
And I will be back on Friday the 8th.
They've been kind enough to ask.
I think we can do that Friday, May 8th together.
Enjoyed Mark Stein yesterday.
Always great pleasure to hear him filling in and to read all of the greatness that he throws down.
Byron York with us today, a lot of a lot of thoughts of punditry and the the things that will be from either the the golden EIB microphone or various other shows or various writers, various websites.
Activism and uh pardon this term, community organizing, are uh take on a very different face these days.
And um I've uh in at every uh uh uh uh tea party moment I could, uh I just wanted to invoke these incredible technologies, Facebook and Twitter and all of this.
And in fact, I was just looking at Red State, the folks at redstate.com, uh whom you can also follow on Twitter at Red State all one word, as you can follow me, Mark Davis, all one word.
We are the ones we were a little we were caught a little napping.
We were caught in that conservatism was caught napping in the era uh the the blooming embryonic era of uh Facebook and Twitter and such.
Um but uh we're gonna show them what Facebook and Twitter can do.
We are going to show them, as we did on Tea Party Day uh number one, and apparently some folks look at I mentioned the July 4th Dallas Tea Party, it's gonna be a big one.
I'm about to go to a uh a gentleman in another part of the country that apparently is also looking at a uh at a July 4th event.
I th that would just be magnificent.
And it has without a doubt made organizing such a thing of uh is easier the word?
I guess so.
Because if you get some followers and you get some uh because that's what the whole Twitter thing's about, and and you throw I mean, uh Twitter's kind of one way.
I'll say something, and if you're following me, you'll hear it.
I may or may not hear anything you ever say back, uh unlike email or texting or calls to a talk show.
Facebook's more interactive, of course, uh, but that was of i uh uh uh innumerable value uh in in helping to organize uh all of the Tea Party successes.
And eventually it's gonna be about more than getting a lot of people to come out for a tea party.
If July 4th there are these kind of things all over America, fantastic, and maybe we need to do those about every 90 days just uh, you know, kind of keep the needles bouncing on on the passion we'll need to bring about real cha real hope and real change on election day 2010.
But there is just no doubt that this is uh taking the place of of five thousand phone calls, uh five thousand e-mail now seems sluggish to me.
That's my head is uh spinning.
The notion of composing an email, putting together a send list, oh, who do I want to get this or not?
I mean, Twitter, hello, poop, gone.
Facebook much the same, and uh the to their credit, the Obama folks uh had this down as of uh summer of 08.
And that's part of what cleaned our clocks.
And um as we work our way toward 2010 and 2012, uh we must become masters of this domain, or at l or at least competitors in this domain.
Um there's also an observation uh that I heard made recently that that I think is some genius in terms of organizing and in terms of uh uh, you know, keeping the uh keeping keep hope alive.
Great.
I'm uh I'm quoting Jesse Jackson now in terms of uh of keeping our hopes alive for somehow uh derailing this demonic train from its tracks, a train that sends us into the abyss of debt and and uh and and cultures of dependency.
But here's here's the point.
There's something that the Obama folks did, and I saw it because I I tried to get on on some mailing lists because it's always it's helpful to me to see what the other side's doing.
I'm free country, right?
So I got all the Obama emails.
I got all of the uh of the campaign stuff.
And I had to admit that a lot of stuff they did was genius.
You know, I mean, obviously ideologically, I found it repugnant to the core, but uh tactically, genius.
And the proofs in the electoral pudding, didn't it?
But what they did is if they got you to come to one event, if they got you to organize something in your neighborhood, if they got you to send them twenty bucks, you always heard back from them.
Not just the way any political organization will, looking for more money, more money, more money.
Oh, no, no, no.
They wanted you to do something.
They would say, okay, thanks a lot, appreciate it very much.
You know, money's good, gotta have the money.
But would you mind organizing this?
Would you mind getting on a committee to do that?
Would you mind you know gathering together in some grassroots way with like-minded folks and do that and and and people obviously widely enthusiastically um obeyed?
Yes, I will do what you say.
No, they uh, you know, for whatever reason, they they did what they did.
Now we're gonna do what we do.
And aided by the technology that they used uh to to deliver us uh uh sucker punch to our values and liberties in two thousand eight, uh the counterpunch comes in twenty ten, and hopefully the knockout punch in twenty twelve.
Okay, enough boxing analogies.
Let's head back to your calls on the Rush Limbaugh Show at 1800-282-2882, one-eight hundred-282-2882.
The gentleman I was referring to is up in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
And Richard, Mark Davis, you're on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Have you got um murmurs of a July 4 thing up your neck of the woods, too?
I hope so, Mark.
I tell you, I went to the uh April 14th uh Lansing Tea Party.
It was great.
Of course I live in Ann Arbor when I got back.
A lot of my friends told me it was treasonous that I even went to one.
Good Lord.
But uh the people at the Tea Party, I tell you, I uh you haven't seen so much patriotism and and pride.
Uh was there something about Lansing?
Was there something about Lansing that made them want to do it the day before April 15th, or did you misspeak?
No, April they did it April 15th.
Okay, thanks.
I was gonna say they just wanted to get the jump on everybody's.
No, April 15th, sorry.
Very good, no problem.
Uh now I'm looking to get another one going up in Lansing again, or Ann Arbor would be really neat, but I don't see it happening.
But in Lansing, again on the Fourth of July.
I don't see any day that's more appropriate.
And I mean, I'm a recovering I'm I shouldn't say that.
I'm a recovered Democrat.
Um I think we need to get another one in Michigan.
Michigan's hard right now, and uh the but Washington isn't helping us.
Washington is let me ask, because I'm curious about the Tea Party phenomenon in purple states.
All right.
Here in Texas, I mean we do have Austin and we do have the Rio Gran Valley, but we're still a pretty reliable Republican state in most ways.
So the Tea Party phenomenon caught fire pretty easily here in Texas.
In in Michigan, where you do indeed have some Republicans, but a whole lot of Democrats, how did the process go?
Did you find actual Democrats at some of the Tea Parties?
Uh and how just sort of describe to me uh, you know, uh Tea Party fervor uh up there in the in Michigan that day.
I I would say there were quite a few Democrats at the Tea Party.
Uh most of them weren't concerned about the spending.
Uh very few raised issues about the taxes.
My problem was that if you have the spending, you're gonna have the taxes.
If you have the taxes, you're gonna have the spending.
So that is a genius point.
And that is the connection that that we must make.
Richard, uh thanks.
My my my best to everybody in Michigan.
Let's let's spend a second on that.
Let's spend a second on that because this probably doesn't get said enough.
To me, uh, and maybe to you, taxes and spending are just fused.
I mean, uh the we have way too much of both.
Way too much spending, way too much taxation.
So why is it that it's a lot easier to find people annoyed by spending than it is to find people annoyed by taxation?
Now find any true conservative and they are rankled by both.
But there are a lot of people, uh some independents, e uh uh plenty of Democrats, who are all about the who will talk with you and agree with you about the insanity of spending.
There are plenty of Democrats offended by not in Capitol Hill, I mean real actual people, actual uh Joe and Jane uh six pack Main Street USA type Democrats, uh, who may feel themselves liberal on a lot of things, but they take a look at these tens of trillions of dollars and go, my God, what's going on here?
So why is spending easier to gather a big crowd of people to rail against than taxation?
Here's why.
Spending resonates with everybody.
No matter whether you make fifteen grand or fifteen million, the government boy, I need a synonym.
The government uh frittering away uh trillions and trillions of those dollars is offensive to the sensibilities of virtually anyone, at least one would hope.
But when you get to taxation, therein lies the craftiness of what these people are trying to do.
Anytime David Axelrod or whatever, you know, other minion of Barack Obama is on Stephanopolis or wherever, telling you, hey, why why the Tea Party rage?
We're trying to cut taxes for virtually all of you.
Right.
First of all, a ton of you don't pay taxes at all.
There are millions more who pay really meager amounts of taxation.
And yes, the Obama people would like very much to take millions of people who pay almost no taxes and have you actually pay no taxes.
Because they love you, no, because they want you to not care about tax policy.
They want you to have no stake in tax rates.
Because if you're sitting there paying no taxes, but we can economically rape other people higher up the economic food chain, and you get more free stuff, ho ho bonus, they'll vote Democrat forever.
That's why I've always been uh, you know, listen, sales tax, flat tax.
No, I don't want to start that right now.
Uh-huh.
But I've always been a flat tax guy.
Because uh if you make 20 million dollars, I want 17% of it to go to go to government.
If you make five hundred dollars, I want seventeen percent of it to go to the government.
I want everybody to be a taxpayer, so that if somebody takes that 17% and says, hey, let's make it twenty-one, it's not only half of America that's incensed, it's everybody, because everybody needs to have a stake in tax debates.
The Obama agenda is to render you numb and disinterested in the tax debates because the only thing you know about tax money is you send none of it out and get a bunch of it back through expansionist collectivist government.
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On the EIB network, I'm Mark Davis filling in for Rush, who's back on Monday, back with you in just a moment.
It's the Rush Limbaugh Show, Mark Davis filling in.
I'm gonna let you hear a little something as we uh get ready to head back to your calls.
This was uh this is the credit where credit is due, Department.
Uh any conservative talk show can be counted on to slap around the White House press corps, and it is usually quite deserved.
So you know what else is deserved?
Moments when the press corps actually uh stumbles across some level of clarity.
And so here you're gonna make a couple of heroes here.
Jennifer Loven of uh of the Associated Press, their White House correspondent, and ABC's Jake Tapper.
Here's Robert Gibbs attempting to make the press corps and thus America excited about 100 million dollars of uh of budget cuts, which is just insanely tiny against the backdrop of the huge numbers that we've had jammed down our throats and and into our into our kids' lives.
But just uh you may drive off the road at this, but please remember this is indeed the White House press corps, okay?
And uh just listen as as is the always overwhelmed Robert Gibbs attempts to uh deal with skepticism coming from a place where skepticism rarely arises when the Democrats in the White House.
The 100 million target figure that the president talked about today with the Cabinet.
Can you explain why so small?
I know he talked about you know you add up a hundred million, hundred million, a hundred million, and eventually you get somewhere, but it would take an awfully long time to add up a hundred million to make a debt in the in the deficit.
Why not target a bigger number?
Well, I think only in a only in Washington, D.C. is a hundred million dollars.
It's not a joke.
Well, I think the deficit's giant.
Do you understand what's happening here?
An AP White House reporter is is lecturing the White House press Secretary that we're in an enormous deficit and and we need to cut more spending.
Wow.
No joke.
I'm not making a joke about it.
I'm being completely sincere.
That only in Washington, D.C. is a hundred million dollars, not a lot of money.
Now, in a moment, the tag team, as ABC's Jake Tapper steps into the ring.
It is where I'm from.
It is where I grew up.
And I think it is for hundreds of millions of Americans.
We were talking about an appropriation bill a few weeks ago, about $8 billion being minuscule.
$8 billion in earmarks.
We were talking about that.
And you said that that's the one.
In terms of in a hundred million is a lot, eight billion dollars.
Just as the President said, just as Jennifer was good enough to do in her question, uh if you think we're gonna get rid of uh 1.3 trillion dollar deficit by eliminating one thing, I'd be in the administration would be uh innumerably uh happy for you to uh let us know what that is.
Give me five minutes, I'll give you all kinds of things.
I'll give you so much to cut your heads all spin.
How great is that.
So uh to uh Jennifer Loven of the Associated Press and ABC's Jake Tapper.
Big standing oh, love you guys, keep it up, appreciate it.
And what we may actually have here, and this is funny.
I mean, I we uh I look for I look for optimism in in every corner, or reasons for optimism.
And if this indeed, if this is indeed the White House that is so radically pathologically left, so socialist leaning, so Marxist resembling, that even the White House press corps eyebrows go up.
We may be on to something here.
All right, I know what we're on to here.
Is another quick break.
Let's do it, come back and put some real people on the air.
It is the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Mark Davis filling in from Texas.
Don't move, you're right back.
It is the Rush Limbaugh Show for a Friday.
I'm Mark Davis, filling in from WBAP Dallas Fort Worth.
And Rush will be back on Monday.
Let's head to the fine capital city of California, see what's going on in Sacramento.
Ed, you're on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Mark Davis, how are ya?
I'm pretty good, and you?
Good.
What's up?
Say, um, you know, the oversight committee uh of CIA met in uh 2002, and uh Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats were there, and they were talking about waterboarding, and I'm sure this had been hashed over, but they all agreed that that would be a good thing to do.
She agreed to it.
Now she's Speaker of the House.
Can she be brought up on charges if anything happens from this?
If what you describe actually happened, here's the str here's the great vagueness that she can benefit from.
In those two thousand two uh hearings, there were absolutely Democrats in the room.
They were absolutely briefed on its potential use.
Her quote is we were not, and I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used.
What they did tell us is they had some legislative counsel opinions that they could be used.
That's a a very nuanced point that she will probably cling to to avoid just what you're talking about, namely the double standard of having it be tolerable in two thousand two when America was serious about the war, versus now when most Americans are not, and the president is not.
Oh, that's a way around it.
Yeah.
Yes, yes it is, Ed.
Great question.
The good you got about thirty seconds.
Good.
Uh what's what's how does that leave you?
How's that work out for you?
That's just a way around things.
Yeah.
Uh it's and it's and it is so so often the case in politics.
Ed, thank you, and God bless all of y'all in California there in the uh in the People's Republic of Nancy.
Um it's it's funny because it's it's arguable that that former Secretary of State Powell might might engage in the same strange kabuki dance.
You know, uh, you know, was I in the room?
Yeah, you know, were they telling me people were being waterboarded?
I don't know.
They said they might be, da-da-da-da-da-da.
But the the real contrast that needs to be understood here is that these hearings were John Boehner and others are gonna say, hey, you were in the room.
You were in the room for crying out loud.
It wasn't that big a problem then.
You know why it wasn't that big a problem in 2002?
Because we had not forgotten yet.
As a country, we had not forgotten yet.
And by 2004, five, six, we largely had.
Not all of us, just enough of us, and certainly many of the Democrats among us.
Mark Davis in for rush.
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