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Feb. 11, 2009 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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February 11, 2009, Wednesday, Hour #3
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Yeah, I was just looking at the, I know it's time to start.
It's like I don't hear the theme music.
Everybody's shouting away, hey, it's your turn, go.
I'm reading the call screener list here as I'm trying to plan the hour.
Greetings.
Welcome back, Rush Limbaugh, behind the golden EIB microphone, America's Truth Detector, the Doctor of Democracy, America's Real Anchor Man, utilizing talent on loan from God.
Telephone number 800-282-2882, the email address lrushbow at EIBnet.com.
We've got to go back and revisit yesterday's town hall highlights with President Obama over in Fort Myers, Florida.
We start with Barry and Julio, Julio, sorry, Barry and Julio in Fort Myers.
Here is Julio's question for the Messiah.
Last question.
Of course, now it better be a good one.
Go ahead.
Oh, this is such a blessing to see you, Mr. President.
Thank you for taking time out of your day.
Oh, gracious God, thank you so much.
All right, what's the question?
All right, Mr. President.
My name is Julio Osagueda.
I'm currently a student at Edison State College in my second semester.
And, okay, I've been at the same job, which is McDonald's for four and a half years because of the fact that I can't find another job.
Now, with the fact that I've been there for as long as I've been there, do you have any plan or any idea of making one that has been there for a long time receive any better benefits than what they've already received?
All right.
Now, Julio, obviously a product here of the public school system in that you couldn't, you need me to tell you what his question is.
And I couldn't figure it out unless I had a transcript in front of me.
He said, well, he is a communications major, but he said, with the fact that I've been at McDonald's four and a half years, do you have any plan or any idea of making one that has been there for a long time receive any better benefits than what they've already received?
He basically said, look, I've been there four and a half years.
Do you have a plan or any idea of making a plan that will make somebody like me, been there for a long time, get any more benefits?
This is after saying, oh, God, thank you for coming, God.
Oh, good gracious.
God, thank you so much.
Oh, yes.
This is Julio.
Now, Julio, four and a half years in McDonald's, you should have graduated Hamburger University by now.
Maybe you should enroll at the McDonald's Clown College, Julio, and perhaps get in the Ronald McDonald program.
At least you get to travel and see more than just the McDonald's where you work.
Here was Obama's answer.
The fact that you are working as hard as you're working at a job that I know doesn't always pay as well as some other jobs, I think that's a source of pride for you.
That shows that you're doing the right thing.
Stop the tape.
Did Julio sound proud to you?
Julio sounded unhappy.
Julio sounded like he was bitching and moaning.
Julio sounded like, what are you going to do for me?
What are you going to do to me?
I'm stuck in this dead-end job four and a half years.
What are you going to do for me, bud?
And here's Obama saying, well, you're doing the right thing.
You're working hard.
And here's the rest of it.
The second thing is, is that you will actually benefit from the tax breaks that we're talking about.
So you'll be able to keep a little bit of extra money because we're going to offset your payroll tax.
That's going to help.
So here's Julio, who won some magic gift from the heavens.
And Obama says, what's Julio make at McDonald's?
I mean, so his payroll tax is going to be slashed a little bit, probably just enough to maybe buy another happy meal every day, or maybe a week.
So no great promises there from the Messiah.
And their conversation ended this way.
Say you're going to school.
What are you studying?
I'm looking to study and majoring in communications, hopefully being a broadcaster or a disc jockey.
Well, you sound like you've got a good communication skill.
Thank you so much.
So part of what we want to do is we want to make it easier for you to afford going to college by giving you this refundable tax credit for your tuition.
Because young people like Julio, who have that much enthusiasm and that much energy, we've got to make sure that we are giving them a pathway so that they can educate themselves and go as far as their dreams take them.
So the government's going to be in charge of Julio doing the right thing.
This guy's a communications major.
I had to translate for you his question.
He makes whatever he makes at McDonald's.
I'm not putting that down.
For Obama to tell him that his tax credit is going to pay his tuition to college is a lie.
It's just disingenuous.
And now this is Julio afterwards.
He was caught up with the press.
They asked him, what did you think of all this today?
I was really impressed when I was screaming and jumping for joy for him to pick me.
He's like, hey, there's one of my loyal fans.
And my heart just went cold.
It felt so good.
I just, you know, I've never felt so good in my life.
Last time I felt somewhat this good was when I received a PlayStation 3 for Christmas.
Sorry, folks.
Gets worse the more we learn about these people.
I mean, it does.
It gets worse.
It's depressing.
It is depressing.
It's like Snerdley was telling me over the break.
He got a call from one of his liberal friends, some girl last night, who said, you know, you got to, you and Limboy, you're going to have to give Obama a chance.
You just got to give him a chance.
We need the stimulus bill.
Snurdy said, what's in the stimulus bill?
I don't know, but it's got to give him a chance.
Snurdle says, give him a chance.
You guys were burying George Bush before he was even inaugurated.
And Snurdley said to her, I am not going to sit here anymore and listen to uninformed opinion.
Uninformed opinion is invalid.
You don't even know what you are talking about.
And you're telling me we do this for a living and you are wasting my time.
You don't even know what you're talking about.
And you're telling me how I have to behave.
You're a moron.
It's pretty much what you said, right?
Political moron.
Called her a political.
And then that was the end of the conversation.
You don't expect to hear back from her?
You are wrong.
She will be groveling tonight.
She'll call you back tonight, especially after having heard this.
All right, now let's move on to Henrietta Hughes from yesterday in Fort Myers as Obama hosted the Oprah show.
Do you remember?
Do you remember the old television show?
You might not be old enough, some of you people.
The show Queen for a Day, this is almost what Queen for a Day was like.
Queen for a Day, back in the days of black and white daytime TV, you'd have the host and they'd bring in the guests, and they would find the most downtrodden life stories they could find.
And they would be tearjerker kind of kind of stories.
My spleen has been removed.
My husband left me.
My daughter won't talk to me.
But that's okay because I don't even have car fare to get home to suffer even more abuse.
And the audience would start crying.
And so whoever told the biggest sob story, who made themselves sound like the most downtrodden of all the contestants, was named Queen for a day.
And then they got in little goodies like a frigid air washer and dryer refrigerator or, you know, what have you, the stellar appliances of the day.
Well, this is almost what the Obama show was like yesterday.
Here is Henrietta Hughes with Obama at the town hall meeting in Fort Myers, Florida yesterday.
I respect you and I'm so grateful for you.
Thank you.
I've been praying for you.
I believe in prayer, so I appreciate that.
I have an urgent need employment and homelessness, a very small vehicle for my family and I to live in.
We need urgent, and housing authorities have two years waiting lists, and we need something more than the vehicle and the parks to go to.
We need our own kitchen and our own bathroom.
Please help.
Well, listen, what's your name?
What's your name?
It's Henrietta Hughes.
Okay, Ms. Hughes.
Well, we're going to do everything we can to help you, but there are a lot of people like you.
We're going to do everything we can.
All right.
But I'll have my staff talk to you after the town hall.
One chance in her life to speak to the President of the United States asked for a kitchen and a car and a sink and a bathroom.
She goes and talks to the staff, and of course the people there think she's going to get what she needs because Obama sent her talk to the staff.
Turns out that she did.
After the program ended yesterday, I received the following news story from the Fort Myers News Press.
Henrietta Hughes was offered a home by Cheen, and who knows if I'm pronouncing that right?
C-H-E-N-E.
I'm probably going to get a note saying this is pronounced Oswald.
Cheen Thompson, wife of State Representative Nick Thompson, who heard the homeless woman's pleas for help.
The house is in LaBelle, Florida.
It's the first home that Sear, S-C-E-R-E, S-C-E-R-E Thompson, Sear, which is probably pronounced Harvey, bought after law school.
She told Hughes, just give me the opportunity to help you.
Hughes broke down in front of tens of thousands or thousands of people.
Obama hugged her.
Staffer later gave her a card to the head of the housing authority.
She was told he would help her.
Hughes ended up being offered this home by this Chen Thompson woman.
No word on whether or not she's accepted the offer to live in the house.
Now, my question here, will Henrietta Hughes get the Joe the Plumber treatment?
Henrietta Hughes, poor homeless woman in Florida, just happened to be called on today by Obama.
Wonderful coincidence out there.
She begged the president for a home.
Obama gave up, or came up, gave her a big hug, peck on the chick.
And in the background, there's this woman that's got a t-shirt on and says, I love you, Barack, mouthing, I love you, Barack, as he's approaching Henrietta Hughes.
Now, if this is Joe the Plumber, of course, the state of Florida and some Secretary of State would be poring through records to find out who this woman is, how she became homeless, and plastering it all over the media.
But I doubt that she will get the treatment that Joe the Plumber received.
Obama was also on Nightline last night.
Three sound bites here.
The last one is the Pies de Résistance.
Talking to Terry Moran, the host, Terry Moran says, you've been sounding some very dire warnings about the economy in recent days.
How close do you think the country is to the kind of economic catastrophe that you're warning about?
I'm constantly trying to thread the needle between sounding alarmist, but also letting the American people know the circumstances that we're in.
We are in a perfect storm of financial problems, and so this is a big, difficult situation.
Now, I think we've got to keep perspective.
We're not going through the Great Depression.
Well, it's the first time he said that.
Most of the time, he says, the worst economic times since the Great Depression, and it's going to get worse.
If we don't do my plan, we may never recover.
You ever wonder why when Obama goes back and talks about the great economic collapses in the past, he never mentions the recession of 81 and 82?
There's a reason why he doesn't mention the recession of 81 or 82.
The way we got out of it was tax cuts.
Supply side, Ronaldo's Magnus.
He cites FDR, which did not pull us out of the Depression.
Next question.
Well, they had this exchange about Obama's honeymoon, which, of course, we here at the EIB network hijacked.
Ms. President, you got no honeymoon.
Not a single Republican vote in the House on your first major piece of legislation.
I'm getting a big honeymoon from the American people.
Maybe you were too nice.
If I'm a Republican senator or a Republican congressman, I'd think you're a very nice guy, but maybe I don't have enough reason to fear you.
Well, I tell you what, that accusation's, I think, if I'm not mistaken, was leveled at me a couple years ago.
And I'm going to be flying out on Air Force One in a little bit.
So people shouldn't underestimate the value of civility and trying to get people to work together.
Whatever the hell that means.
Then there's this.
This is an exchange about the CEOs of the banks.
Now, this is Terry Moran, who ABC News has judged to be informed, educated, sufficiently so to host a network program at night with a great brand and a great legacy nightline.
Why shouldn't you just fire the executives who wrecked these banks in the first place and tanked the world's financial system in the process?
Keep in mind, though, there are a lot of banks that are actually pretty well managed.
So what we want to do is to say, if you're going to take money from the taxpayers, then you're going to be constrained in terms of how you give yourself compensation, and shareholders are going to be empowered.
If you're not taking money, then we'll let shareholders and boards of directors handle things as they generally have handled them.
Exactly right, which is why these guys should not have taken the money in the first place.
But it's the question.
Supposedly an informed and educated person who's capable of carrying the Ted Coppel legacy of Nightline.
Why don't you, the president, just fire these executives who wrecked these banks in the first place and tanked the world's financial system in the process?
Why don't the president fire CEOs?
He wants the president to have that kind of power.
Of course, the premise of the question is all wrong.
It was not the CEOs at Wall Street that tanked the banks or the world economy.
Again, it's Barney Frank.
It's Bill Clinton.
It's Chris Dodd.
It's Fannie Mae.
It's Freddie Mac.
It's the Community Redevelopment Act.
It's the new definition of affordable housing.
You give people who can't pay for them houses.
Good folks.
As I said, the media, they're not even curious anymore.
There used to be at least curiosity.
One of the reasons you went into journalism is because you were curious and you wanted to be the first to tell people the real truth.
They're just activists now, and they're uninformed at the same time.
Pure and simple.
One final thing here.
Obama, on Monday, El Carte, Indiana.
You can't get corporate jets.
You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers' dime.
Here is the mayor of Las Vegas, Oscar Goldman.
That's outrageous.
And he owes us an apology.
He owes us a retraction.
What's a better place, as I say, than for them to come here and to change their mind and go someplace else and to cancel at the suggestion of the president of the United States?
That's outrageous.
I'm going to take care of this immediately.
I'm going to be calling our congressional delegation and asking them to go to stop this kind of talk.
Good luck.
I want to go to Spring, Texas on the phones.
Carol has been waiting a while.
I appreciate that, Carol.
Nice to have you here on the EIB network.
Hello.
Hi, Rush.
Thank you for having me on.
I appreciate it.
You bet.
Rush, I wanted to tell you this morning when you started off, you were just, I was getting so inspired.
You were talking about how when the Republicans come back, you know, they're going to take this strong government that the Democrats have built and they're going to turn it on them.
And I was thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then I was thinking, you know, it came to me, wait a minute, you know, what Republicans is he talking about?
The Republicans that I remember were always so careful to make sure they included the Democrats in everything they did.
And what makes you think they won't do that again?
Well, it's a crapshoot.
I agree.
You have a very important observation.
This is something, however, that I think we're going to try to inspire.
And I think, you know, if the Democrats go as far as I think they're going to go, it is going to cause anger and outrage like you can't believe.
But the point of that whole monologue was these people are using the power and the finances of the federal government to defeat political opposition, to build up this grand old socialist system that destroys capitalism in the process or tries to.
And to me, I'm just, I'm getting fed up.
You know, we play by the rules all the time and we aim for the hearts and minds of the American people, the American voter.
And these people are trying to dumb everybody down.
They want to talk about investigating George W. Bush for war crimes.
Well, by God, I want to investigate Barney Frank.
I want to investigate Chris Dodd.
I want to investigate Freddie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Fannie Mae, and all these things.
I want the truth to get out.
I want to use federal money to fund our groups and our organizations.
And I want to investigate George Soros and find out just exactly what his role has been in precipitating this economic decline we're in for the political purposes of defeating Republicans and electing Democrats.
I think that between now and then, hopefully, there's a battle that is raging within the conservative movement over what conservatism is and who is going to lead it.
And the same thing is happening in the Republican Party.
And I'm hoping that all this happens to coalesce.
There will be efforts made to bring all this to bear.
I know it sounds like it's a long shot, but this is what we hope to inspire because it's payback time.
It's not enough just to beat these people in elections.
It's time to give them a dose or multiple doses of their own medicine.
And it's something I want to work toward.
See to it that it happens.
Not time to panic yet.
Let me answer Carol from Spring, Texas, her question again.
She said, you know, I love that monologue you did, but then I thought, where are the Republicans that are going to engage in this kind of payback?
Carol, the simple answer is by the time we get to that point, those are the only kind of Republicans that have a chance of getting elected.
That is how bad it is going to get.
The only Republicans are going to have a chance at getting elected or re-elected are those that are outraged over what has been done to their country and not only want to fix it, but they want to name names.
They want people to know exactly who it was that destroyed the capitalist system for their own personal political gain.
Now, Mr. Snerdley says, it is poor Henrietta, Henrietta, whatever, I forget her last name, and Fort Myers.
The Obama people supposedly going to send her over to the Housing Authority, where there's a two-year wait.
You hear this?
Snerdley says, what about the poor schlub that's going to be moved and lose his place in line so Henrietta can get her place in the list?
That's fine and dandy.
But that's not the real point.
If I had a chance to speak to Henrietta, and by the way, CNN's going to have this story.
She's the latest media star.
She's just, everybody wants to get a hold of her.
Everybody, she's just a star.
She is the face of the recession.
Henrietta Hughes, the face of the recession.
Hey, Henrietta, you're living in a pickup truck.
You want the president to give you a new home, a kitchen, and so forth, when he hadn't even given his own brother a pot nor moved him out of his nine-square-foot hut.
And you want that same government that's got a two-year waiting list for you at the Housing Authority to run your health care?
It wouldn't make any impression at all, I fear.
Let's see, audio soundbites.
You got to hear this again.
If you missed this, I came in on Tuesday after the Monday night press conference where Obama was rambling incoherently, and admit it he was.
To those of us that pay attention or uninformed, this is a bomb out of a press conference, especially measured against his expectations or our expectations.
He's a great communicator and all that.
Now, admittedly, the Henriettas and the Julios watching, all they heard him say was they want to get them jobs, so it was great.
But I said I felt like I was listening to Fidel Castro, the guy who made four and five-hour speeches and never said anything, just ranting on and on and on.
So I make a joke about it.
Last night on PBS, the Tabitha Smiley show, we interviewed a Cuban activist, Carlos Moore.
Now, this Carlos Moore guy is funny enough, but that's not the real piece d'étrexistance here.
Smiley says, how did you do this dance, as it were, with Castro?
I mean, you see him as an authentic social reformer?
He's brought widespread poverty unparalleled in the island's history.
He's a social reformer, but he let you down on the issue of racism.
How do you see Castro?
Castro was larger than life to us.
We had faith in this leader, and we felt that the fact that he had confronted imperialism, confronted the United States, and had had the courage to do what he did, because Castro is a very courageous man.
He's a nationalist.
He's an anti-imperialist.
And he's a man who is committed to social reform.
There is no question about this.
Justin, this is a Cuban intellectual.
Okay, so Castro, now he's a big star.
So then Tavis Smiley says this about Obama in Castro.
I heard as interesting parallels between your experience back in the day and the experience that many young African Americans 17, like you were at one point, are having today, 17, 18, and beyond.
And that is, one, this notion of feeling that now that we have a guy named Obama in the White House, we have President Obama now.
There are many young people who are as ecstatic and as excited and as enthused about President Obama as you were about your new president, Fidel Castro.
I make a joke about the guy selling like Castro, and Tavis Smiley comes along and says, Rush is right, and we are excited.
It's a compliment.
And now we move on to Charlie Rose.
We have a montage here.
Remember Charlie Rose and Tom Brokaw shortly before the election talking about Obama, both admitting they knew nothing about him.
They didn't know who he was, what books he had read, which prompted me to say to Brokaw, well, dispatch a reporter to find out.
I mean, you are NBC.
That's what journalists do.
Do you realize how stupid you sound, Tom, sitting on a television that you don't know anything about the guy that's going to be president?
Charlie Rose interviewed David Faber of CNBC.
This is a montage of them discussing the bomb-out performance yesterday of Timothy Geithner laying out his non-plan to rescue the banks.
What did you think of Geithner?
People wanted more.
They want details of how this is all going to work.
And the reason they didn't get more?
I don't think they know what they're going to do yet, exactly.
That's my impression.
But then it raises the question, well, then why now?
Exactly.
Didn't get off to a particularly good start under Geithner.
I don't quite, I mean, they had to know what the states were.
I know.
I agree.
You'd think that there...
The perception game is at play.
Perhaps, Charlie, you have a better sense for why they had or felt the pressure they did to present something today.
There's no easy, perfect answer.
But you've got to do something.
Yeah, that's true.
I suppose that's true.
This is a painful exercise.
Yeah, that is a painful soundbite to have to listen to.
It is a painful montage.
That's David Faber of CNBC and Charlie Rose trying to cover up for their obvious disappointment at how horrible Geithner was.
Here's David Rodham Gergen, Anderson Cooper 360 last night, also talking about Geithner and his plan.
I do think that this, as a publicity matter, as a public relations matter, was a black eye.
And when the plan was introduced last night on the Hill brief to congressional staffs, that it met with a rude reception, skepticism, sarcasm, even laughter from some Republican quarters.
And then today it got this negative reaction on the Hill.
I think this is not what they wanted.
It's not what they planned for.
Really?
This administration needs an economic spokesman who can speak with authority and be respected for what he says or she says.
And right now, they haven't quite found that person in Tim Geithner.
So it's very, very important, not only for the president, but for Tim Geithner, to get back on track quickly and to establish his authority and his gravitas.
Well, how do you come out and say we're socialists and our plan is socially, how do you say that?
They're trying to cover up what they're trying to do.
But forget all that.
They told us this guy's tax cheatedness had to be overlooked because he was the only guy that could do this job.
In fact, Jonathan Alter on MSNBC on January 13th was asked him, is there a bipartisan feeling here that Geithner's got a problem with taxes?
What's the deal on this, Jonathan?
Well, it does seem to be an honest mistake.
It would really be a shame if something like this sunk the nomination.
We are in very serious times.
They're quite different than 1993 when Zoe Baird's nomination was sunk for Attorney General over this kind of nanny problem.
Geithner is, by all accounts, the only person in Washington who fully understands TARP.
You know, $700 billion we cannot afford at this point unless there's gross malfeasance to take him out of the picture.
Gross malfeasance, you try doing what he did and see if you stay unindicted.
Excuse me.
So there you have Jonathan Alder totally uninformed in the tank, blindly following the crowd with no curiosity whatsoever.
How does he feel today?
Can he go out and make the case Geithner's the only guy that could do this?
We got to look past the fact that he didn't pay his taxes on purpose because he's the only guy that can handle it.
In fact, don't let's go back even further.
January 14th, Anria Mitchell, NBC News in Washington.
She was on with Joe Scarborough, the co-host, Mikob Zhazinski, said, Tim Geithner, is this a big problem?
Some tax issue here for this guy?
He is hugely smart.
They need him right away on the job.
I think both senators in the Democrats and Republicans from the finance committee say that they need him right away to get confirmed.
He did his own taxes, by the way, which is.
And then he got an accountant who didn't tell him all the back taxes that he needed to pay.
He did his own taxes and he screwed up and he's the only guy that can handle TARP.
And then you go to Obama Monday night at the pressure.
Well, I don't want to step on Tim's toes here.
He's got his big presentation tomorrow.
So Obama builds up all these expectations.
And Geithner went out there.
I mean, he looked like a little weasel.
He looked like an authoritarian little weasel out there.
And while we're not going to announce the plan until we get it right, no details.
Bye-bye stock exchange to the tune of 400 points down.
What are we today?
Waiting for the number to pop up here.
We're up 17.
Big whoop.
Yip, yip, yip, yip, yahoo.
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Ladies and gentlemen, 49 million Americans watched the Obama press conference on Monday night.
Nowhere near a record, though.
You know how many Americans watched Clinton's first press conference in 1993?
64.3 million watched Clinton's first press conference after his inauguration.
64.349.
Well, that's about 15 million more Americans.
That's crazy.
I know Reed says they got a deal on the porculus bill.
No Republicans were involved in it.
The conference, there's a dingy Harry's out there with his press conference right now saying it's done.
Folks, they've rammed this through.
This is like amnesty that failed.
This is amnesty that succeeded.
Nobody had any chance of stopping this thing.
So the stimulus porculus bill, it's a tentative deal right now, but he wouldn't be out there saying this if he wasn't confident it was going to hold up.
So now it'll really depend on Spectre and Snow and What's Her Face Collins, because they said they had specific requirements, ha ha ha, specific requirements that this bill not exceed what they originally voted on in any way, or they were not going to vote for it.
We'll see.
By the way, another note from Deborah Saunders at the San Francisco Chronicle.
I mispronounced the name of the mayor of Las Vegas.
I call him Oscar Goldman, and it's Goodman.
And that was just verbal dyslexia.
I know his name is Goodman.
I just pronounced it Goldman.
Thanks, Deborah.
Deborah's monitoring the program today, making sure I pronounce people's names correctly.
Denise and Cape Cod, nice to have you on the EIB network.
Hi.
Hello, Rush.
I never thought I would get to speak with you.
I wanted to thank you for the longest time since I started listening, which was before the 2000 elections.
And I've been an addicted listener.
And I wanted to thank you for everything I've learned from you.
It's been indescribable.
Well, thank you very much.
I truly appreciate that.
And I love your wit, and I love the passion you express when you speak of things that are important to you and to me, the Constitution, the country.
It's really moving.
Thank you very, very much.
I agree.
And I would like, before I say what I really wanted to say, I just want to mention that CHI, C-A-I-L-L-E, is the French word for quail.
Quail.
Yes.
As in the birds that you shoot and then eat.
That's correct.
Yeah, okay.
I also wanted to mention that whenever I travel, because on Cape Cod, they would never have a Walmart.
Whenever I go into a Walmart, I'm absolutely excited by what I see.
It's the efficiency.
It's the just everything is there.
It's through America.
And I think it's just great.
But what I wanted to say is that...
I got 10 seconds.
Oh, I can't do it.
Well, then we'll call you tomorrow.
Okay.
So hang on.
Don't hang up.
Otherwise, we can't call you because we won't know your number.
Okay.
All right.
Sure.
She can't wait for the call back.
Don't forget to call her tomorrow, Sterley.
Thanks very much, Denise.
We'll be back here and wrap it up in a minute.
Ah, folks, I am so glad this show's over because I'm getting sick to my stomach again.
I just heard Susan Collins and Senator in No Way talk about this Senate bill, and it is.
Well, we'll have the sound bites tomorrow, but it's just sad.
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