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June 3, 2008 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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June 3, 2008, Tuesday, Hour #2
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And greetings once again to you, music lovers, thrill seekers, conversationalists all across the fruited plain.
Time for yet another excursion into broadcast excellence, hosted by me, Rush Limboy, your highly trained broadcast specialist meeting and surpassing all audience expectations on a daily basis.
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Without any further delay, we now go back to LaMay, Missouri and Mona.
Now, Mona, we have some serious time ahead of us here, so I don't want you operating under this false notion that I run away from challenging callers by saying, Oh, oh, looky a heart break.
We have to go.
Sorry, Mona.
That's not going to happen to you.
Well, I've heard you do it before.
Look at forget that.
It's because it happens to be true.
There are things called hard breaks.
But look what look what happened here.
I have held you through two of them.
Okay.
Well, I'm not sure.
You have wounded me to the heart here, Mona.
You have wounded me to the heart because you have accused me of bluffing on Operation Chaos and having nothing further planned.
I have a 20-year broadcast history on this program, and I have countless examples of where I have I have had substance, we have had successful campaigns, programs, what have you.
And all of that seems to count for nothing.
Now you you you you say I'm just bluffing because I want to get rid of my Operation Chaos fashion line.
Now Rush, listen, don't you're misunderstanding me.
Uh you don't have to convince me of your talent and all the wonderful things you've done.
In my estimation, you are my hero.
They don't come any higher than you, and I'm not a lockbox woman.
I'm just a very passionate woman.
And I I feel like I'm I'm being threatened by Obama and McCain, and I'm waiting for you to come save me, really.
All right, one of the things.
You're the one who can do it, and I'm I I don't see you doing it.
And I you're my hero.
Mr. Sturdley told me during the break that he has received uh are there some more people with the same question, sort of like it on hold coming.
He gets a lot of phone calls from people who who who appear worried because we got Obama and it's a known quantity.
We have McCain, and there's really not that much difference when you get down to brass tax as far as conservatism is concerned.
What do we do?
Can't stomach voting Obama.
Just can't do it, just can't see it.
But voting for McCain is not exciting at all either.
So what do we do?
I have attempted to address this uh in recent programs.
One of the things that I think anybody in a circumstance like this, be it in a national political campaign or even something like this in your personal life, what you have to do is assess honestly where you are.
And here's where we are.
And it it's not pleasant to say, and it's not pleasant to hear.
Where we are is that we have squandered every victory we had since nineteen ninety-three, nineteen ninety-four, the House uh Republican freshman class taking over.
Uh Bush winning in two thousand and two thousand four with a majority Republican Congress for much of his uh two terms.
We've squandered it.
I realize that.
All right, so but it is what it is.
That means it has to be rebuilt.
Yeah, but the way that you suggest doing it is not that's not you know.
You know, you're not gonna be able to do it.
What is what is fundamental to rebuilding it, though.
This is what you sound like.
Did you see the movie High Noon with Gary Cooper?
Yeah, a long, long time ago.
Yeah.
Well, he comes out in the street and he takes care of it.
He doesn't say to all the townspeople, look, you know, there's some bad guys around here, and what we need to do is rebuild this town, and and twenty years from now it'll be great again.
What do you want me to do?
Run for office.
Well, you want to you would never do it.
I know you would never do it.
That's right.
Because of the pay cut.
You could be like George Soros and find somebody who could run and who everybody would love and everybody would vote for.
You could do that.
If if he can do it, you can do it.
Now you know this this comparison that you're making to me and George Soros is a bit flawed because it's there's George Soros is an independently wealthy, Multiple billionaire.
Well, I didn't say you had to pay for this whole thing yourself.
I'm just saying you could organize it.
I'm well, there are There have to be uh there have to be j jillions of really wealthy Republicans and conservatives, excuse me, in this country who would rally around a real conservative and everybody could, you know, chip in.
At the right time.
This is not the right time.
Nobody's gonna put that kind of money behind what at this late date would be a losing effort.
This is what I mean about assessing where you are.
Uh George Soros, for the most part, has lost far more than he's won.
George Soros did not get carry-elected.
George Soros did not get rid of George W. Bush.
Uh George Soros, you know, is is is uh has given uh forty million dollars to a group here to bash McCain that said that Soros is might be the guy behind uh Obama.
But you know, Soros would support whoever the Democrat nominee is, he's just anti-Republican, period.
Doesn't matter who the Republican is, even if McCain is as close to Soros as any Republican ever will be, he hates Republicans.
He's just gonna get rid of them no matter how.
Well, I can't imagine a time in history when the conservat real conservatives in this country would be more apt to rally around and act on a real conservative who was put into the race even at this late date.
It's not all that late.
It's considering the the uh the negativity that people have for John McCain.
Mona, I don't disagree with anything you're saying.
It's as uh the the in terms of the way you're describing the mindset of a lot of conservatives, but the time for something like this has to be right, and don't forget the people of this country generally get what they want.
And and the reason I say that, and the reason that making a point here about assessing where we are, is and by the way, don't don't for a minute think I am not just distressed as you are.
Here we have the Democrat Party in an abject free fall, nominating somebody that ought to be losing in a 49 to 50 state landslide.
And who have we nominated?
You know, it's it's I'm as frustrated as you are by this.
But the problem is that we conservatives who are not in government, those of us in media, those of us in the think tanks, those of us, you know, just in the in the in the grassroots, it's great that we're here, and it's great that we're making all these advances, but the problem is there hasn't been any elected conservative leadership in the Republican Party advancing it, and so it's had nowhere to go other than as a voice.
But it has not been a movement.
President Bush has not led a movement.
There have not been any Republicans in Congress to lead the movement because the president is the titular head of the party, and to do so would be going against the president, that's political suicide.
Well, I think the response has to meet the problem.
And the problem we have is so serious that if we wait another four years or whatever for the next election, it may to think of what could happen in the past.
Two thousand twelve, not not two thousand fourteen, uh or two thousand ten, rather, the first midterm election is the target here.
Uh not not not four years after not two thousand fourteen, but uh or twelve, but two thousand ten.
Now let me it your your third party thing.
Let's say that we could do it.
Let's say that a number of us could get together and find the ideal conservative and get out there and have this guy right now start running, say as a third party under the so-called Conservative Party ticket.
I'm gonna tell you with as much honesty as I can, the only thing that would happen as a result is guarantee the election of Obama.
We would be splitting the Republican vote because right now, much of the Republican Party elitist machine money is behind McCain.
They are deeply invested in him, and they are not conservatives first, they are Republicans first.
What's gonna have to happen, and you don't want to hear this.
What's going to have to happen is that these people are gonna have to lose, and they're gonna have to lose big time, and they're gonna have to have the Republican Party become a minority party once again, like it was for all of those years, before it is ripe to be reformed and taken over again.
And this will happen because the people running this party, the people responsible for nominating McCain have guaranteed that they are just the Democrat Party light.
And when you have a chance to vote for the real Democrat or the Democrat light, you're gonna vote for the real one.
When this party is as more closely associated with big government liberalism as the Democrat Party is, it cannot win.
So what can operation chaos possibly do that's gonna make any difference?
What Operation Chaos and what this program and what all of us need to focus on is discrediting the whole notion of big government liberalism and tax increases in the minds of the American people.
This is where it must continue to start and must continue to operate because creating an informed uh participating electorate is the first key to winning elections.
Then you need the candidate running on an agenda that these people support.
Look at right this week, the U.S. Senate is debating the most massive transfer of wealth in the history of the country.
The so-called climate tax bill or the the uh Warner Lieberman bill.
Now it doesn't have a chance of passage this time around.
There are even a lot of Democrats are opposed to it.
Bush is going to veto it.
The House of Representatives is not going to take it up.
But the fact is it's going to be back next year.
Now the only way to defeat this bill ultimately is going to be the same way the immigration bill was defeated, and that is with an informed public refusing to accept it.
But they're going to have to be told what's in this bill.
Yeah, but you've been educating people for for twenty years, Rush, and you you still have to admit now that the greatest threat to our country is ignorance.
After all this time, there's still it's the most expensive commodity we have.
But I'm telling you, where would we be without this?
Where would we be without twenty years of this program and the associated conservative media that sprung up?
We would never have won the House in 1994.
We would not have won the White House in 2000.
Well, you know, there is a huge you you you gotta be honest and assess, you know, the progress that's been made.
Well, you know when I when Ronald Reagan came around, I don't think it was because there was a uh, you know, the whole country had a mindset that was ready and waiting for Ronald Reagan.
He just appeared, he did it.
And I think that's what we've got is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
We wouldn't have had Reagan were it not for the bumbling ineptitude of Jimmy Carter.
And look, by the way, look at how long it's a Bush, isn't that good enough?
Wait a- look at how long it took Reagan, Mona.
He lost his first presidential bid against the establishment Republicans who've taken the party over again.
Now he lost against Gerald Ford.
He was the star of the convention, he was the hero of the convention, but the delegates still went for Gerald Ford, he was the incumbent president.
It took Reagan, his first Goldwater speech was 1964.
Then he runs for governor.
It took Reagan sixteen years to get to the White House from the moment he first had eyes on it.
Sixteen years.
And if it weren't for Jimmy Carter and all the Malays, the message that Reagan had would not have resonated.
The reason it resonated was twofold.
Reagan's a great communicator and he was right.
But people were miserable and they were fed up with their own president telling them they were the reason the country was in tank when the fact was the reason the country wasn't a tank because the Democrats like Jimmy Carter and Reagan came along and he said big government is the problem, big government's not the solution.
Our problem today is that too many Republicans and pseudo-conservatives in the elite media think that big government is the answer.
Well we're gonna but this is we're always gonna fight this battle.
We're always gonna be fighting it.
We've had we've had enough of George Bush to know the big government isn't the answer.
Everybody's already set up, everybody's already ready for the Ronald Reagan of our time who happens to be you, and it's just too bad for the rest of us that you won't be president because that may be what it takes, but since you're not gonna do it, you know, we might as well all just give up.
Well, you know, you've you're you're you're so sweet.
And you're so nice, you're just you're you're you're I don't know, you're making me feel a little embarrassed here, and you're making me even feel a little inadequate, Mona, that I know I'm not doing enough.
And I you know something I understand, I understand the role of leadership, I really do.
But part of leadership is getting people.
You have people to do things they don't want to do.
Getting people motivated and inspired to follow.
Well, that's the point.
You know, my my point I I I've got to answer some questions for reporter in a couple days.
And this guy's what his first question is uh imagine you're president, you have unlimited power.
What are the five or six things that you would do, five or six agenda items that you would use in in the exercise of your power.
And the first thing that I wrote down in answering this question was the first thing I would do is I would tell the American people that they're the ones that make the country work, not me, and that they're gonna have to continue to make the country work, and my job is gonna be to get as many obstacles out of their way as possible.
And I'm gonna talk to them about American exceptionalism, and I'm gonna remind them how great their country is.
And I'm gonna tell them I'm sick and tired every day of hearing in the news media how we're going to hell in a handbasket.
I'm tired of hearing about the gas price, I'm tired of hearing about oil, I'm tired of hearing about global warming, I'm tired of hearing about a recession, I'm tired of hearing about nothing negative, negative, negative.
We live in the greatest country on earth.
You all know it.
It's time for you to get busy and to keep making this country work as you always have, and I'm gonna get the people that stand in your way out of your way.
Well, I I'm just gonna end by telling you that you know, I I think that if you got up and said those things, everyone would listen to you because I think you are the Ronald Reagan, at least in my eyes of this country.
And uh I I can't imagine anybody who people would listen to more other than you, or who who could pred who could get things done other than you.
You're my hero, and I guess I just wish things could be different.
They will be.
They will be.
Not going anywhere.
And there's a there's a lot now, Mona, they're the not gonna go anywhere.
And I just I uh I thank you so much for what you said.
You're it's sort of, you know, I'm still learning to take compliments, even after twenty years, it's sort of embarrassing to be compared to Ronald Reagan.
But nevertheless, I want to send you away on as much of a positive note as I can.
The biggest threats to our prosperity this nation's faced in the last twenty years have been stopped right here.
On this program, national health care, Hillary Clinton, unfettered illegal immigration, stopped right here.
Global warming.
Stopped right here.
It is not gonna happen this year.
It's not gonna happen as long as we're around.
Not these big time tax increases expanding a federal government to deal with it.
Obama, the Messiah, the untouchable.
We've exposed the phoniness of Obama.
This is not the time to give up on anything, Mona.
It it really isn't.
There's more progress has been made than you realize you're just down on out because of McCain.
I understand this.
We're gonna deal with it.
Now I gotta really go, Mona, because I am seven minutes beyond my heart break, and I did it for you, and it was well worth it.
Thanks much.
We'll be right back.
Let's grab another phone call before I uh enter into the next monologue segment of this hour.
This is Rick in Richmond, Virginia.
Rick, I'm glad you waited.
Welcome to the EIB network.
Thank you, Ross.
It's a great honor to talk to you.
Um listen, I'm I know we're short on time, and and uh thank God for the lady before me, because you've answered a tremendous amount of my concerns and questions.
Um I was one of the guys that uh was on hold that uh just doesn't feel the fire in my belly that I've had.
I'm forty-three years old.
Um I I just don't feel the way I think I need to feel as far as my uh commitment to the party to the Republican Party with with John McCain.
And uh I I know uh apparently somewhere along the way I have missed this rebuilding plan that you've got, and and and um, like I said, you've answered a lot of my questions, except for that particular one.
And if uh I don't know if you can do it now or maybe at the uh after the break, if you can explain what this plan, this rebuilding plan is, what I can personally do to see that it happens, or is this something that we're talking about in 2010 election?
Well, the 2010 election, let me let me here's here's I can do this very briefly.
I've got a minute here before the break, so I could do this very briefly.
The whole point, we've gotta we've got to deal with what is.
We've had McCain and he is what he is, and he's out there seeking as many Democrat votes as he can.
I I've got a couple sound bites from one of his supporters today, one of his employees, talking how proud they are to be not associated with George W. Bush.
I have a fear that John McCain secretly wants to destroy the Republican Party after he gets the election if he does.
He's gonna take out after conservatives.
I just I just I just think that he's gonna come after conservatives as much as any liberals would.
So I understand where you are on this.
Whatever happens in the presidential race, the Democrats are going to have huge majorities in the House and Senate.
And that's those majorities are going to have to be whittled down in 2010.
The first order of business, regardless who wins the presidency, because it's not going to matter, the first order of business will be to continue to discredit liberalism in the eyes of as many people as possible.
They, liberals, and liberalism must and will be the continued target because they're moving the agenda that our side is accepting.
Since the subject of Senator McCain has been raised by our caller, Mona from LeMay, Missouri, let's go to CNN's American morning this morning.
McCain senior advisor Steve Schmidt is the guest.
And he's on there, I guess this is uh John Roberts, who says you chose New Orleans as the site for this speech, because according to the campaign quoted epitomizes government's failure, but also brings President Bush into the conversation.
I guess this is a speech about Katrina.
Do you expect that while some people will talk about the differences between Senator McCain and President Bush, people who write about tonight's speech will talk about what they have in common and that might not be so good for you?
New Orleans is a city that more than any other in the country signifies to the American people what is broken about our government and institutions.
Senator Obama is fond of saying that John McCain represents a third term for George W. Bush.
The reality is that Senator McCain has disagreed on issue after issue with President Bush over the last eight years.
He is his own man.
Now, this just makes me fume, as I imagine it makes you fume as well.
This, by the way, this is uh McCain's senior advisor Steve Schmid.
And so Obama's out there saying McCain is going to be George Bush III.
Now I know Bush's approval numbers are where they are, and I know that politicians follow numbers and polls and this kind of thing.
But I thought McCain, in addition to being his own man, was a man.
The idea of accepting this premise that his campaign and his presidency would be the same as George Bush, and it'd be Bush III, if you will, could be easily swatted away.
But no, the advisor has to go out and say, look, New Orleans is a city that more than any other in the country signifies to the American people what's broken about our government institutions.
Mr. Schmidt, New Orleans signifies no such thing.
May I tell you and the McCain campaign and the rest of this country what Katrina New Orleans signified?
What did we have in New Orleans?
We had sixty plus years of unchecked, unfettered liberalism.
We had an entitlement community.
We had a group of people, a population, the vast majority of which of which had no idea how to fend for themselves.
Because they haven't had to.
There's always been a government program for this or for that.
There was even a government program to maintain them in their poverty.
Not one thing that was wrong in New Orleans could be traced to the Republican Party or conservatism.
Or the federal government.
New Orleans was the mess it was because of liberal corruption in not getting the levies fixed.
The money was there.
The money had been appropriated, but because of the convoluted political structure of the city of New Orleans, a lot of the money went into people's back pockets.
We all remember seeing the pictures of empty school buses.
Those buses could have been used to get people out of town.
Oh no.
Nobody thought of that.
And so when people are stranded in an area they should not have been, when they should have gotten out of town, of course it's easy to dump on the federal government.
But why would anybody think the federal government and FEMA could walk in there and wave a magic wand and in a matter of a week make everything all better?
Would somebody cite for me?
The one example, a single example of the federal government fixing a natural disaster of that proportion overnight.
Would somebody cite for me the example of a federal bureaucracy fixing anything?
From welfare to poverty to cable TV prices, whatever it is you're unhappy about.
What ought to be being stated in this campaign once and for all is American people, it is time to stop putting all your trust and hope in the federal government.
A bunch of faceless, nameless bureaucrats, you're never meeting people you haven't elected.
They're not going to make your life better because they can't.
Their lives are probably not all that hunky-dory.
You are in charge of your own life.
As we all are.
You're much better equipped.
You're much better able to make the most of your life than anybody else is, including your wife, your husband, your kids.
You do it.
This is not a sin.
It's called greatness.
It's the route to greatness.
It's called individual responsibility.
Liberalism erases any notion of individual responsibility, and thus you have a community like New Orleans when a natural disaster hits.
The people have no clue what to do.
They have no way to get out.
They had no liberal city government that forced them to get out for their own good.
And then when what happened happened, bamboo.
You blame the federal government, which never succeeds at this kind of thing anyway.
And it just grates.
It just grates on me to have a McCain advisor.
Pick up the liberal Democrat theme that the problem in New Orleans was the federal government.
And the McCain's gonna make it all better.
New Orleans is a city more than any other in the country that signifies to the American people what's broken about our government institutions.
Yes, in a way.
What's broken about our government institutions is it too big, too unruly, too much political correctness, too much paperwork, too much sitting around talking and not enough action.
But all that would be obviated, unnecessary, if the people of New Orleans had not lived under 60 years of dictatorial liberal rule and had had the ability to fend for themselves.
The ones that got out of there that had the means to get out of there knew something the others didn't.
Then to go on and say the reality is that Senator McCain has disagreed on issue after issue with President Bush over the last eight years, he's his own man, as though that's a badge of honor.
Didn't say that kind of thing during the nomination process, did he?
Neither McCain nor his age are out there running around saying, I'm gonna be different.
I ain't not gonna be like Bush.
Any gonna be like Bush, I'm gonna go right there, and I'm gonna be my own me.
You don't have to throw the president of your own party under the bus.
Mr. Schmidt, you just don't have to do it in a campaign against the most liberal Democrat socialist the Democrats have ever nominated.
You don't have to throw the president of your own party under the bus.
If you find that you must distance yourself from him, find a way that does not incorporate the language of the left that does not appeal to Democrats.
Because you're going to find out that George Bush isn't hated.
People may disapprove of his job, but they do not dislike him.
And whatever else, Senator McCain and the rest of you people in his campaign think about George W. Bush.
The one thing you can't question is his love for the country and his desire to keep it safe.
He may have gone off the path now and then on some of these social things with the Medicare plan and letting Ted Kennedy write the education bill.
That's how he governed in Texas.
But you cannot, in any way, shape, manner, or form, attack George W. Bush's patriotism or his desire to keep this country safe.
We do have those questions about Obama.
We do have questions about his foreign policy based on his own words and what it'll mean for this country.
And you, Senator McCain, you do not have to draw distinctions with yourself on President Bush on national security, defending the country and loving it.
And this is not helping you.
You are not going to get Obama votes doing this.
You're not going to get Democrat votes by saying, hey, hey, hey, we're not George Bush III.
We've disagreed with Bush on a lot of things.
That sounds defensive.
Still have one more soundbite to go from this guy, Steve Schmidt.
John Roberts says, campaign.
People have written the ability of Senator McCain that he is he's run to the right and they're wondering when we're going to see this maverick, that independent, like so much out there on the campaign trail.
When this war was going so badly, the one person in America who stood up and said we're losing this war, we have to change the strategy, he was attacked mercilessly for disloyalty by saying that things were going badly.
That person was John McCain.
When we look at the energy bill that Vice President Cheney was a great supporter of in 2005, a giveaway to the oil companies, Senator Obama supported it.
Senator McCain voted against it.
Senator McCain is going to talk about uh his views, his vision, and a lot of times those views and that vision is different uh than the president's policy.
Yeah, and you're gonna make a big deal out of that.
When this war was going so badly, the one person in America who stood up and said we're losing, we have to change the strategy was McCain.
There were a lot more than Senator McCain standing up and suggesting that we couldn't afford to lose.
When we look at the energy bill that Vice President Cheney was a great supporter of in 2005, a giveaway to the oil companies, McCain voted against it.
McCain, yeah.
Uh what's the giveaway?
The continuation of the tax breaks that the oil companies get for research and development?
What's McCain said he doesn't like excess profits anywhere when he's never made a profit?
Does he dislike excess profits in beer, I wonder?
Should we stop drilling for beer?
Should we stop making beer because the environmental damage it causes?
I've seen beer smokestacks.
I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna tell all of you Republicans, not just Senator McCain, if you have if you think that you can make hay and be re-elected by running around trashing your own president, the president of your party, who is far more beloved than Senator McCain is in this party.
He may not be popular nationwide, he may not be popular in his polls, but he is not disliked.
He is not considered disloyal.
He is not considered somebody who goes against the interests of his own party for his own personal benefit.
And if you run around and you make a big deal out of trying to distance yourself from George W. Bush, you are going to pay for it in ways that you can't understand, because the one thing of many that separates Republicans and conservatives from those mealy-mouthed little creeps and kooks and whackos on the left, they respect a leader who they think has done his best.
And they are loyal.
And the one person, the one thing that is threatening Republican Party loyalty right now is the very McCain campaign.
Not George W. Bush.
So if you think that you got to run around and distance yourself from George W. Bush, and that that's how you have to get elected, think again.
You may not have to run around and embrace him, and you may not want to run around and have him fundraise for you in public, and you may not want to be seen in public with him, and you may not want to have to praise him, but I warn you.
Do not publicly disrespect him.
It'll kill you.
You won't go anywhere.
The voters on our side are not going to put up with that because he's not disliked.
He's not despised, he's not hated.
And you Republicans who don't have the guts and the courage to separate yourself from what you read in the media and listen to Democrat candidates say, had better realize this president is not hated.
He is not disliked.
Big difference in that in being unpopular.
And if you don't have the ability to read the news or watch television and understand a bilge and the drivel and the propaganda that you were hearing, if you have no more ability to separate yourself from the doom and gloom That the American people have trouble separating themselves from you're not worthy of being elected.
We expect elected people to watch the news and go on television.
This is garbage.
This is crap what you people are reporting to the American people.
About global warming, about whatever the story is, about losing in Iraq when we're winning.
This tiptoeing through the tulips in fear, about worrying what people are going to think of you because you're Republican and you were associated with Bush, I'm telling you.
The more you sidle up to the drive-by media portrayal of things and try to reflect that, the American people, you're going to find out how hated the media is too, and you're going to be just as despised, and you're going to be sitting there wondering what happened the day after the election, why you lost.
Because you will have been told by your consultants to do what you've done rather than follow your instincts, which should tell you to be loyal to your party, positive about the country, energetic about our future.
But if you think the way to get to voters is to harp on failure and doom and gloom and distance yourself from the president by trashing him and claiming you're not him.
You're going to come off as a childish, immature Eddie Haskell.
And people don't elect Eddie Haskells.
Our buddies at Newsmax have a story from uh yesterday.
Former Democrat Senator Majority Leader Tom Puff Dashel said that several years ago John McCain came close to leaving the Republican Party in caucusing with Senate Democrats.
I had people send me this story today.
So I never knew that.
So what do you mean you never knew that?
We talked about it on this program at the time.
He's the one that sought out John Kerry about possibly being his vice presidential running mate in 2004.
Dashell was on uh Meet the Press with Russert.
Uh, and uh Dashell said in February, it's true, we were once close to bringing McCain into the Democrat caucus.
There are many who can verify that, Russert added.
McCain almost became a Democrat, uh Russert asked.
Dashler said, No, no, no, no.
Never a Democrat, but an independent.
He was so angry at the way he was treated and the problems he had with the Bush administration in 2001, Tim, that he came to us and said, Look, I'm seriously considering becoming an independent and caucusing with you.
Let's talk about it, and we did.
This is our nominee this year.
We did this song back then.
Shanklin did to put the song together back then.
Precisely because of what Dashell said.
Now, as I have mentioned before, while all this BS is going on in our own party, the Democrat Party is imploding.
I got two examples.
Washington Post today, both of them, uh, well, one's New York Times columnists.
One is Richard Cohen, the Post, Bob Herbert, the New York Times, and they think that the Democrats have blown the election because of all the racism that's happened in their campaign.
And some of these quotes are just fabulous.
Some of these guys are wringing their hands like crazy out there.
It's just, it is such shame.
I'll give you examples.
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