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Nov. 28, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 28, 2007, Wednesday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 podcast.
Man, oh man, it's, I'm just, I'm sitting here, I'm.
I'm just, I'm, I'm just, I think I'm in a state of disbelief over Bill Clinton and what he did in Iowa yesterday, what he said.
I'm trying to figure out.
If he's doing this to sabotage Hillary or if he's just pathological.
Anyway, greetings, it could be both.
Greetings, friends, and welcome.
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Before getting to this Clinton stuff, are you familiar with it, Mr. Snoodle?
Before we get to this, there's something else I want to do.
I want to play a little game, or I want to get you all involved in playing a game.
John Edwards, this is from the ABC blog, the Brett girl, during a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire on the 26th, a couple days ago, took a moment to tell voters how he would mandate universal health care while his rivals are sparring with each other on the issue.
Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have been bickering about their health care plans.
I don't want to talk about them.
I want to talk about what we need to do for health care, Edwards said.
And then he went on to talk about both Hillary and Obama.
He said, Senator Obama has a very creative plan.
It just doesn't cover everyone.
About Clinton, he said she has a mandate, which I think is the right thing to do, but she has no way to enforce the mandate.
I'm mandating health care.
I am, this is the Brett girl speaking.
I am mandating health care for every man, woman, and child in America.
And that's the only way to have real universal health care.
Every time you go into contact with the healthcare system or the government, you will be signed up.
Now, does anybody remember seeing these German World War II movies, your papers, please?
Basically, every time they come into contact with either the healthcare system or the government, whether it's payment of taxes, school, going to the library, whatever it is, they will be signed up.
He said that during a press availability following the event, and he reiterated, was reiterating his mandate.
Can you envision this?
This is made to order for Republicans to finally expose exactly who the liberals are and what they want to do to healthcare.
Every time they come into contact with either the healthcare system or the government, whether it's payment of taxes, school, going to the library, whatever it is, they will be signed up for healthcare.
When asked by a reporter if an individual decided they didn't want health care, Edwards said, you don't get that choice under his plan.
You don't get that choice.
So here, ladies and gentlemen, is the game that I want to play.
Because I'm going to start doing this myself.
I want you to join me.
I am going to start monitoring Democrats when they speak.
And I'm going to see how many times, if at all, they ever use the word freedom in the correct context as we understand it, as it relates to our daily lives.
And in fact, the foundational building blocks of this country.
It could be one of like these drinking games.
You hear the chosen word and you take a swig.
The one true and pure ideal this country was started with was the idea of freedom.
It has been our North Star for decades upon decades over centuries.
It is the vision that drove men to this country against all odds in the 1500s, and it still does today.
It's the reason they fought in the cold with no shoes with Washington at Delaware.
It is the Delaware Rich.
The reason we are the one society to get rid of slavery or the first to do it.
The Brits did a pretty good job of it as well.
But the point is, freedom is, you ever asked yourself, and I've asked you this before, how is it that in 260 years, less than 260 years, a population of 300 million people has established the single greatest...
most powerful force for good nation in the history of civilization versus civilizations and societies and countries have been around thousands of years longer?
The answer in simple form is freedom.
It is fundamental.
And yet look at the word today.
The word from Democrats is mandate, mandate, mandate.
You will, you will do this.
You will do.
You can't do that.
You can't smoke here.
You can't drive there.
You can't wear that.
You have to go here.
You have to go there.
All of these you have to's.
The whole concept of freedom is missing from the Democrat mess.
I don't care whether it's Hillary, whether it's the Brick girl, whether it's Obama.
These people are looking at all of us and they are prepared to tell us how we're going to live.
They're going to mandate how we live.
And they're going to keep track of us with this healthcare plan and any other things.
So just as you watch television or listen to the radio or read the newspapers, whatever you do, and you listen to Democrats speak, just note the number of times you hear them use the word freedom in the right and proper context.
It's not very often, folks.
I guarantee you.
By the way, New York Times today, the study finds reproductive edge for men with deep voices.
A man with a deep voice may have a survival advantage, a better chance of passing on his genes.
Researchers have found that men with deeper voices have more children, at least among the Hadza, a group of hunter-gatherers in Tanzania.
According to background information, an article published online for the December 22nd edition of Biology Letters.
Most women in Western societies find lower-pitched male voices more attractive, judging them healthier and more masculine.
Meanwhile, men find higher-pitched voices, I assume in women doesn't state, more appealing.
The study, the author's right, is the first to examine the effect of vocal pitch on Darwinian fitness in humans.
Well, we're talking about, what about a Janarino and kids?
She doesn't have any kids.
Well, but I got a low voice too, but I don't have any kids.
I mean, this study is, I mean, it's fun to think that I am really seized upon by women because of my voice, but I know it's my other qualities, in addition to the voice.
But this business, men with deeper voices have more children.
I don't have any.
And my voice is not that deep.
I can make it deep.
Well, anyway, Iceland has been judged the best place to live by the United Nations.
Africa, the worst place.
Iceland is overtaken.
Iceland's overtaken.
The UN's not racist.
They can't.
Being facetious.
Iceland has overtaken Norway as the world's most desirable country to live in, according to an annual UN table published Tuesday that again puts AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states at the bottom.
Rich, free market countries, rich free market countries dominate the top places, Iceland, Norway, Australia, Canada, and Ireland.
The first five, the United States slips to 12th place from 8th last year in the Human Development Index, the UN Human Development Index.
Despite the fact that everyone wants to live here, despite the fact that everybody wants to be like the United States, despite the fact that people from all over the world are willing to do anything to get here, we have slipped from number eight to number 12.
Iceland?
Nothing against Iceland, but show me the hordes trying to get there.
Even after this report, let's check the number of people that pack up from wherever they are now and move to Iceland.
Just patently absurd.
All right.
Dubai's not on it.
Well, I don't really see the whole list.
Let me see.
Dubai, Abu Dhabi.
I don't see him here.
No, don't see him here.
Abu Dhabi and what is it?
Dubai didn't make it.
By the way, ladies and gentlemen, did you see what happened to the stock market yesterday after it was announced that Abu Dhabi, I mean, that 215-point uptick, a rally in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as Fred Flintstone said, Yaba Abu Dhabi.
We got to go.
Look, I didn't leave with the Clinton stuff because I wanted to get off to a light-hearted start here, folks.
And I was serious about this freedom business.
This is and the Brett Girl and these mandated health care plans.
Really, I want you to listen and just hear, count the number of times you hear them talk about freedom.
You will not.
Not in the context that we all understand it.
I didn't want to start with the Clinton stuff because I really didn't want to run the risk of getting into a blue funk today, but now I got to do it coming out of the break.
So we'll be.
Well, Drudge just put up a flash.
You know, the next Democrat debate is December 10th on CBS, an over-the-air network that theoretically would produce a larger audience than that on cable channels.
CBS News also has a contingent of writers, and they have announced that they are going to go on strike on December 10th, which is the day of the debate.
Mrs. Clinton a few days ago, maybe last week, said that if the writers at CBS go on strike, she will not cross the picket line to appear on the debate.
So CBS executives and Katie Couric are in meetings right now deciding what to do.
The story is that the suits at CBS just want to cancel a debate and that Katie Couric is not happy about this.
Mrs. Clinton would be happy for it to be canceled so she can avoid another opportunity for a major screw-up.
You know, just go into the prevent defense mode.
Just not show up.
So, a little fireworks going on now about the...
Isn't it interesting that...
Can I ask a question?
May I ask, what in the world do you need writers for at a debate, at a candidates debate?
Can Katie Couric not write a question herself without writers?
What is this industry telling us about itself?
We know a lot about it, but what's it telling?
You can't have a debate?
Or is it that somebody won't cross the picket?
Are they just going to cancel the news operation while the writer strike is going on?
What does this say about these anchors and these reporters?
I mean, they need writers.
All right.
Bill Clinton is in Iowa, campaign swing for his wife, Hillary, beginning to look more and more like this woman cannot win without him.
And in fact, they're making that pretty plain.
I don't know if they realize this, but Clinton tagging along everywhere is making it obvious she can't handle this on her own.
And he's out there.
Our buddy Ron Fournier at the AP has a story today, Good Bill versus Bad Bill.
And he followed him around in some of these speeches that Clinton's making.
And he told 400 Iowans at the start of his swing, I've had a great couple days out working for Hillary.
In the next 10 minutes, Clinton used the word I a total of 94 times, mentioned Hillary just seven times in an address that was as much about his legacy as it was about his wife's candidacy.
He told a crowd where he bought coffee that morning and where he ate breakfast.
He detailed his Thanksgiving Day guest list in his menu.
He defended his record as president, rewriting history along the way, and he explained why his endorsement of a certain senator from New York should matter to people.
I know what it takes to be president because of the life I've led since I've left office.
I, me, and my.
It was all about him.
And in the context of opposition to Republican-backed tax cuts for the wealthy, like himself, which he pointed out again, and how that loss of revenue affected financing for the military, Bill Clinton said this.
Even though I approved of Afghanistan and opposed Iraq from the beginning, I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers.
So what did we do?
We borrowed the money to give Bill Clinton a tax cut and pay for our soldiers.
This, folks, is almost undecipherable.
But if you can read the stitches on a fastball, then you understand what he's saying.
I think he just said that he couldn't support the troops because he didn't get a tax increase.
Well, that's what he wants people to think that he said.
Yeah, even though I approved of Afghanistan and I opposed Iraq from the beginning, I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers.
By the way, he did support the war in Iraq.
This is as pathological as I've ever heard him.
This is as blatant a lie as I've ever heard Clinton utter.
And there are countless of them.
People all day long today are trying to figure out: is he trying to sabotage her candidacy with this?
Or is he really so pathological that he thinks that whatever he says is the truth?
If you go to his library and massage parlor website, we did this this morning.
His quote from 2003 is still up.
I supported the president when he asked the Congress for authority to stand up against weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, May 18th, 2003.
It's still on the website.
It was this morning at the library and massage parlor.
Other quotes from Bill Clinton.
Let's go back 1998 when he was president, February 17th, speaking to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Pentagon staff.
He said, if Sodom rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program.
We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century.
They'll be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them.
We simply cannot allow that to happen.
There's no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein.
April 16th, 2003, New York Daily News, the source.
Saddam is gone and good riddance, former President Clinton said yesterday.
Clinton said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction are not found.
I don't think that you can criticize the president for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock.
That's what I was always told.
Bill Clinton, New York Daily News, April 16, 2003, May 18th, 2003, the college commencement.
I supported the president when he asked the Congress for authority to stand up against weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Time magazine, June 28th, 2004.
So you're sitting there as president.
You're reeling in the aftermath of September 11th.
So yeah, you want to go get bin Laden and do Afghanistan and all that.
But you also have to say, well, my first responsibility now is to try everything possible to make sure that this terrorist network and other terrorist networks can't reach chemical and biological weapons or small amounts of fissile material.
I got to do that.
That's why I supported the Iraq thing.
Bill Clinton, June 28th, 2004, Time magazine, that's why I supported the Iraq thing.
Ed grab number seven again.
I'm going to read this last two sentences.
I got to do that.
That's why I supported the Iraq thing.
Even though I approved of Afghanistan and opposed Iraq from the beginning, I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers.
So what did we do?
We borrowed the money to give Bill Clinton a tax cut and pay for our soldiers.
The next audio soundbud is President Clinton, September 27th, 2002.
This is on tape.
This guy is, he's got a very dangerous program.
We need to eliminate it.
Talking about Saddam Hussein, the weapons of mass destruction.
Now, let's talk about the politics of this.
Do, folks, do we really want four more years or eight more years of this kind of psycho babble?
I really do not want to, I don't want to be forced to spend time after time after time chronicling all these lies, the pathology behind it.
So let's move on.
What is the purpose here?
What in the world did he slip up in the context of talking about tax cuts for the rich?
And by the way, revenue poured into the Treasury, this business that they had to borrow money to give Bill Clinton a tax.
That's another lie.
A lie within a lie.
Hell, sometimes I think the whole life these people live is a lie.
But is he trying to sabotage Hillary?
This is everybody's buzzing about.
Some of the drive-by's are circling the wagons and parsing his words, Linda Douglas, on, what was it, I guess, PMSNBC.
We'll play that for you when we get back after the break.
Happily done, ladies and gentlemen, making the complex understandable.
Rush Limbaugh, half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair.
So Bill Clinton, even though I approved Afghanistan, I opposed Iraq from the beginning, I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers.
This is in the context of opposition to tax cuts.
So he's actually saying that he couldn't support the troops because he got a tax cut.
Or you could say he didn't support the troops and couldn't support the troops because he didn't get a tax increase.
This is the lamest.
I don't care how you analyze it.
It's the lamest excuse for not supporting the troops.
He could also say, well, when I wasn't asked, given the opportunity, support those soldiers.
Watch them come back and say that what the former president meant was that the White House did not ask him to make troop visits.
You know, that's how they'll try.
That's what I was talking about.
You're exactly right, Limbaugh.
You understand me, and you got it.
I wish you were my spokesman.
In fact, if you ever give up that radio thing, I got big plans for you.
Well, let's listen to the drive-bys and how they are trying to spin for it.
This is, what is this, a PMS NBC today?
The anchor Tamron Hall talking National Journal contributing editor Linda Douglas.
Big drive-by, babe.
Huge drive-by, babe.
Used to be at ABC.
Question.
See, what?
Linda.
Snirdly, you are warped.
You are literally warped.
You can't.
No, I'm talking about Linda Douglas, used to be at ABC.
So Linda.
Never mind, folks.
You don't want to know what we're talking about.
Just limit the interruptions here.
So Linda, President Clinton has called the invasion a big mistake since 2005, but that has not always been the case.
Did President Clinton slip up, as some people are saying, on the campaign trail?
Is he presenting a different side to his opinions of the war in Iraq?
Well, it all depends on which ones of his public statements you look at.
He did make statements early on that appeared to be supportive of President Bush, appeared to be supportive of a fairly muscular approach.
He made some statements after that that appeared to question whether or not it was a good idea to go into Iraq.
He's probably been fuming that he's, from his point of view, been misunderstood in terms of how he reacted initially.
He also is saying through his aides that he certainly wouldn't want to do anything.
He knows what it's like to be the commander-in-chief.
He wouldn't want to undermine a commander-in-chief.
Wouldn't want to undermine a commander-in-chief.
What the hell did he and Gore do traveling all over the country in 2003 and 2004, ripping the very Iraq war that he said he supported?
We've got the quotes.
That's why I supported the Iraq thing.
In fact, Mr. President, let me ask you this.
Is it better to oppose the war after the troops are already on the battlefield?
Because that's what he did.
Especially in a 2003, 2004 campaign pre-war.
He's going over to Abu Dhabi in Dubai, and he's accepting $350,000 to make speeches, and he's ripping American foreign policy.
And he comes back home and tells college audiences a whole different story.
Wouldn't want to undermine a sitting president.
Let's not leave it at just Der Schliechmeister.
Let's go to the candidate herself.
That's Mrs. Clinton.
September 15th, 2002, meet the press.
Tim Russert, do you believe we could have disarmament?
We could have this before the war broke out.
Do you believe we could have disarmament without regime change?
I doubt it.
I can support the president.
I can support an action against Saddam Hussein because I think it's in the long-term interest of our national security.
And then October 10th, 2002, Senate floor, Senator Clinton said this about Saddam.
In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.
Right.
Now they're denying all this.
Now he's back to saying he supported it or opposed it flat out, which he did not.
Again, Time magazine, June 28, 2004.
So yeah, I mean, you're sitting there as president.
You're reeling in the aftermath of 9-11.
So yeah, you want to go get bin Laden to do Afghanistan and all that.
You also have to say, well, my first responsibility now is to try everything possible to make sure that this terrorist network, other terrorist networks, can't reach chemical and biological weapons, small amounts of physical material.
I got to do that.
That's why I support it as a rock thing.
I know that there would be endless material, but I really don't want four more years of them.
I just, I just can't handle it.
But you know what's frustrating?
They get away with this.
This was eight years of this stuff, and the American people gave these clowns a 60% approval rating.
And that's what was so damn frustrating.
And we had stories about how lying is good.
Now we've got to start.
Deniability is good.
Remember, I talked about that yesterday?
In a personal relationship, your spouse is doing something you know is wrong.
Deny it.
Just pretend it's not there because to talk about it creates friction.
I'm going to do that story in greater detail because I promised to get to it yesterday to get a chance to get to it yesterday.
So anyway, everybody's all over this today talking about it.
Here's ABC's The Note.
Bill Clinton's off message again with his odd remarks that he was against the Iraq war from the start, giving Republicans fresh fodder as they seek to become anti-Hillary candidates at tonight's GOP debate, according to ABC senior political reporter Rick Klein.
And Mitt Romney, leading in the early state polls, gets fresh scrutiny on his Mormon faith and still no big speech to answer the question.
I'm going to have some comments about that.
This religion stuff, how come, can I ask, why do we never ask about the religion of Democrats?
Why is Democrats religion?
The fact that they don't have their liberalism is their religion.
Liberalism is an ideology that replaces religion.
If you want to understand liberalism, that's the simplest way to understand it.
It is a belief system.
It's an ideology that is rigid, allows no other interpretation of events, and its purpose is to replace religion.
And what does religion contain?
It contains standards.
It contains morality, contains codes of conduct.
And that's what Democrats don't want to be held to at all.
So their ideology replaces religion.
And that's why they're never held accountable for any standards.
They can lie.
They can cheat.
They have little affairs with the pages in the House of Representatives and be honored for it.
As breaking new ground, it is a replacement for religion.
And yet their religion never ever comes up.
Only the religion of Republicans.
Chris in Bernard, Iowa, you're first as we lead off on the phones today.
It's great to have you here.
Hey, thanks, Rush.
I was at a second speech that President Clinton made last night in Piasta, Iowa.
And his comment about being against the Iraq war wasn't an aberration.
It was in the first speech.
He made it again in the second speech.
It wasn't a blip or it wasn't a departure from his standard.
Okay, so it wasn't something he misspoke about.
No, no, no.
You were at the second speech?
I was.
I was an infiltrator.
Infiltrator.
Cool.
I planned a caucus for Republicans, but I do have an opportunity to see a former president.
Hey, from what I read about Iowa, anybody anywhere go to a caucus anytime.
Well, I hear you can show up and vote in New Hampshire even if you don't live there.
Right.
Exactly.
He can bust you in.
Yes, exactly.
Question, what did he actually say in the second speech about opposing the wall?
The war, he just said that he said it several times, that he was originally against the Iraq war.
He reiterated his support for Afghanistan and that we shouldn't be in Iraq now.
should be focusing on catching bin Laden and, you know, yada yada.
And was this comment made in the context of criticizing Republican tax cuts?
Well, he did say that if we hadn't cut taxes, that we wouldn't be having to borrow so much money from foreign governments to finance the war.
All right, so it's purposeful then.
I appreciate this input, Chris.
Hey, thank you.
You have done the long.
One other thing.
My husband just retired from 20 years of active duty in the Air Force.
You don't sound old enough to have a husband, much less one that's retired.
I am.
I'm just past 40.
But I want to thank you for all you do for the troops.
We've always really appreciated it through the years.
Well, thank you.
Thanks, Louis.
Thank you.
You're doing the Lord's work here today by infiltrating that Clinton speech.
Oh, they made me put a sticker on my coat before they let me in.
They said it was my ticket to come in, and I tried to say no, and I just spent most of the speech kind of wadding it up in my pocket.
Yeah.
So I can relate.
I can understand.
I want a lot of things up in my pocket.
All right.
Look, I appreciate the call out there, Chris.
So you got two instances of this now.
So it's done purposely.
He is purposely lying about this.
And that means a lot of things politically.
But one of the things Hillary is in trouble with the base on the anti-war stuff.
Hillary is in trouble.
Look at, they're always a week ahead with their internal polls and so forth.
Oh, and Zogby has fired back.
John Zogby's fired back at Mark Penn.
This is great, too.
After the break, don't go away.
Hi, welcome back.
It's Rush Limbaugh and the EIB Network, where we are having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.
There's another theory here that I have evolved to explain Bill Clinton and his rampant lying.
By the way, there is a distinction.
In the 90s, in the 90s, when Clinton was out there telling Whopper after Whopper, the press just covered for him.
In fact, they sat back and they did stories.
They marveled at what a great liar he was.
But now they're calling him on this.
All the drive-bys, I mean, he's got some circling the wagons.
You've got Time magazine, you've got ABC.
You've got everybody's calling him on this.
AP Ron Fournier ripped him to shreds today in the Good Bill, Bad Bill story.
So that's different.
This is going to come as a surprise.
The Clintons are used to getting a pass on this kind of stuff from their buds in the drive-bys.
But it also could be nothing more complicated than this.
Maybe he's just panicked.
If Hillary's defeated, he is defeated.
If Hillary's defeated, his chance of getting back in the White House, finie.
And so he's out there stumping around doing all these.
And now, in panic, when you're in a panic state, you sometimes say impolitic things.
But now that he's saying this twice in one day, it does appear to be calculated.
What, program observer?
Yes.
A question is being asked.
Why would he want to go back to the White House?
Snurdley says, you know this guy better than he knows himself.
Why would he want to go back to the White House?
If he wants to go back to the White House, it's power.
Baby, it's power.
He's a 60s generation anti-war guy.
This is their last chance to remake the country.
You can't remake the country in the image you want it to be making speeches in Abu Dhabi.
You can't do that.
He's got a lot of money now, so he doesn't care about that.
He doesn't care about popularity, so he cares about popularity, but he thinks he's going to be more popular than ever if he gets back in the White House.
That's ultimate power.
That's what these people are about.
Stunned, mr. Stergley, that you, of all people, don't understand the, the lure of power and what these people want to do with.
Besides, he won't actually have to be in the White House, which is a bonus.
He will have power as though he's in the White House, but he will be all over the world.
Hillary makes sure that, if she loses, none of this happens And he's just a former president without a future.
That involves the presidency or his wife having a future.
So look, it's just a theory.
It's just a theory to explain all this.
Another theory is he doesn't want to go to the White, has no desire for any of this.
He's happy catting around right now.
And the sooner Hillary loses and gets out of this race, the more he can date, what he can do, whatever.
I don't know.
And is trying to sabotage her.
Because look, she's on the record as supporting the war too.
And he's out there saying, I oppose that.
I flat out oppose that.
I mean, from the get-go.
Everybody, even Limbaugh, lying to you about this today.
I oppose the war.
Here, grab soundbite number 12.
We've played this bite for you before.
This is March 7th, 2003.
Before the war started, Hillary Clinton had a meeting with Code Pink, which is this bunch of anti-war rabble-rousers.
They recorded this on a cheap cell phone, so the audio is not the best.
There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm's way, and that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm.
And I have absolutely no belief that he will.
I have to say that this is something I have followed for more than a decade.
If he were serious about disarming, he would have been much more forthcoming.
I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence that I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, trying to discount political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision.
I would love to agree with you, but I can't based on my own understanding and assessment of the situation.
Now, the important thing about this is that she had signed a resolution authorizing the use of force.
Now she's running around saying, I didn't mean for the president to use force.
I meant for him to take time with weapons inspectors.
Here she is, a few days before the invasion, telling Code Pink the only way to get rid of the guy is militarily and with an invasion, and that she wasn't lied to.
She used the intelligence information that she had available, talked to people whose opinions she trusted.
So these people are on the hook here.
And for Clinton to bring this up is a, it still remains a huge curiosity on his website yesterday, John Zogby.
All's fair in love and war, the centuries-old proverb states, politics is not included, but given the way the game is played in modern-day America, maybe it should be.
That's a sense I had again this morning watching Mark Penn, chief political strategist for Hillary Clinton, denigrate our latest Zogby interactive survey simply because it showed his client in a bad light.
Penn made the contention on the MSNBC morning news program hosted by Joe Scarrow.
Scarborough, he mischaracterized this latest online Zogby poll as our first interactive survey ever, a bizarre contention since we have been developing and perfecting our internet polling methodology for nearly a decade and since Penn's company has been quietly requesting the results of such polls from us for years.
Now, remember, Penn went on Scarborough Show and said, you shouldn't even be talking about this poll, Joe.
It's an internet poll.
It's the first I've ever done it.
It's not scientific.
It's not credible.
You shouldn't even be.
He's been asking Zogby for the results.
We always comply as part of our pledge to give public Zogby polling results to any and every candidate and campaign that asks for them.
What's interesting is that no other campaign has made as many requests for Zogby polling data over the years than Mark Penn has made on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
So what he was trying to tell Scarborough, you don't put this poll data on here that shows my client losing.
You just don't do that.
Joyce poll doesn't mean anything.
Mark Penn can't even tell it.
Nobody in this campaign can tell the truth if their life depended on it.
I don't think they could tell the truth.
I knew it.
I just was watching CNBC, some civil rights activists from Cleveland demanding that all the victims in a subprime mortgage fiasco be given a bonus.
And there's an Erasmus and poll out.
Huckabee Leeds Romney 28-25.
Who, ladies and gentlemen, told you to look out for this development weeks ago?
There's only one name that answers the question.
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