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Nov. 9, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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November 9, 2007, Friday, Hour #3
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Ah, yes, Earth First, friends.
Earth first, we can mine and log the other planets when we get to them.
Welcome back.
Third hour now up and running on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I am Jason Lewis from the Twin Cities, but it's great to be behind the golden EIB Mike in the Attila of the Hun chair for a self-imposed exiled rush.
As you know, he committed a hoax, fell prey to a hoax yesterday, and suspended himself.
Now that's integrity, friends.
He'll be back on Monday, of course, as we continue on with open line Friday in the meantime, 1800-282-2882.
What is this I see about uh Bill Clinton saying, look, if you want to blame the health care, the Hillary care debacle in 94 on anybody, blame it on me.
She's taking the rap.
Bill Clinton said this in Iowa the other day.
She's taking the wrap for some of the problems we had with health care the last time that were far more my fault than hers.
And then in the same speech, he goes on to say, What do you mean she doesn't have experience?
To suggest she doesn't have experience?
Uh look at all the things she did for health care, or he inferred that.
I mean, you really can't have it both ways, I guess.
Speaking of that, or speaking of scandals, you can't bring up the Clintons without speaking of scandals, I guess.
Yeah, I kind of wonder.
You know, you just take the total uh totality of the presidential race.
And I'm just wondering if there isn't an undercurrent of reticence to go back to the Clinton era.
Now, the media's gaga today over, you know, the the indictment of the Rudy Giuliani's ex-police commissioner, uh, Bernard Carrick.
I think he uh what surrendered this morning, they just uh made a statement not long ago.
They're going after Fred Thompson for this guy's plane he's using who had a drug conviction years ago.
Folks, I mean, this can we say this pales in comparison?
Can we say there doesn't any suggestion of a quid pro quo?
I mean, Bernard Carrick what?
Uh he got indicted on tax evasion, unlawful gratuities.
Uh it was caught before the fact.
I'm just, you know, I know what some of you liberals are saying.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Well, that's true.
So if you don't want to vote for Rudy or Fred or anybody else, fine.
How can you still support Hillary?
I mean, d you're gonna have if if President Hillary Clinton, picture this for a moment.
You will now have Bill Clinton back in the White House with more time on his hands.
Hello.
The only president ever impeached on personal malfeasance, the you know, the most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation.
You know, Rush and we we've talked about Norman Shue and James Riotti and Charlie Tree, go right down the list.
Do you want to relive that again?
Another legal defense fund.
First president to be held in contempt of court by Judge Susan Weber Wright.
Can anybody say Webb Hubble?
Al Gore's no controlling legal authority when it comes to fundraising?
Nothing's changed.
I don't think the American people really, regardless of the of the public policy issues at hand, really want to go back to the Clinton legacy redux and live it all over again.
I would think people would start to wonder whether they want to do that.
That could be one reason for her relatively high negatives.
Speaking of hypocrisy, did I speak of hypocrisy?
Well, I am now, I guess.
Remember back in uh 2004, Vice President Dick Cheney got some private sector folks together to form a 2001 energy task force.
Now, these people are immune from from scrutiny because they're not part of the government and public disclosure and sunshine, but that didn't stop liberals, including the Clintons and others, saying we want the details of the 2001 National Energy Task Force.
We want the minutes released.
We want the records released of the energy task force.
Why these people meeting in private could be advocating, well, you know, uh exploring for oil.
We can't have that.
Well, the battle went on and on and on, and Cheney said, look, this is a private uh private uh protected energy task force minutes or records.
He wins in the Supreme Court in 2004.
The same people who were saying release those records are now the people in the Clinton camp and the Clintons themselves refusing to lift a 12-year ban on the confidential communications between the president and his advisors, including his wife.
Oh, wait a minute.
You know, if if sunshine is a disinfectant for Dick Cheney, why not for the president?
Why not release these communications?
It will show how smart Hillary is.
And the president can do it.
First lady can do it, notwithstanding what she said in the debate uh the other day.
So the apocrisy knows no bounds here.
So as you see all the you know the overcoverage on Carrick and Company, just keep that in mind.
In Utah, by the way, the voucher plan went down to defeat.
We spoke a little bit about that last time I was in for rush.
And I know what the spin is going to be by the government school crowd, by the public education establishment, by the National Education Association.
And that's really what the education system, the government controlled education system is for.
The benefits redound to the members of a union.
And that's what the NEA is.
It's a government union, which I think ought to be an oxymoron.
I don't I don't like the idea of having to contribute to a government union every April 15th.
If I if I you know fly in an airline that's got a union and I don't like it, I don't have to fly in that airline.
I have to pay my taxes.
There's something untoward, fundamental conflicts of interest with public sector unions.
Which probably explains why they're the fastest growing and private sector unions are shrinking.
Well, the NEA and the Utah Education Association, how much did they throw in to defeat this?
Was it three million or five million?
Uh let's see, did it do well, regardless, the ninety-six percent of the money to defeat the Utah voucher program, which wouldn't have cost the public education system anything at all.
In fact, there's a case to be made they would have came out ahead per pupil spending wise because the students that grabbed the vouchers would have come from the general fund in Utah, and the government schools would have kept their money.
So that wasn't it.
The union was afraid that people were going to leave if they had, you know, choice.
96% of the money to defeat the Utah voucher program came from union sources.
Now, if you can't get this done in Utah, I mean, I mean, take a look at if you compare Utah, for instance, to states that are demographically comparable.
States like uh Montana or South Dakota or Wisconsin or Nebraska.
They finished last in all of the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests.
Last in math, last in reading, last in science.
And yet the voters went to the poll and said, nope, no vouchers.
I have a theory.
I shared with you my theory last time I was on.
And the theory is this.
There's no way a union spends three or five million, whatever it was, to defeat a voucher plan if there isn't a growing surge, a growing hope that school choice will come to fruition.
There's a movement of school choice of school of the school choice movement, I should say.
There's a there's a growing pattern there.
Homeschoolers, parochial schools, you name it.
I'm afraid vouchers isn't going to be it, though.
People are afraid that vouchers will publicize, as I told you earlier, will publicize their private schools they're in right now.
If I get government money in this school, it's going to turn into all another public school with all the rules and regulations from Title I funding to mainstreaming, you name it.
And so people are afraid of that.
They're sold a bill of goods when they talk about defunding the public schools.
Vouchers won't do that.
But that is a serious concern.
When vouchers went down in California, you had suburbanites saying, well, you know, our schools are okay.
I don't want all those other kids coming here with vouchers.
Now I think many of those concerns are misguided, except the one about applying all of the government regulations to private schools because a voucher is government money.
In order to take the government money, you'll have to comply with the government rules and regulations.
That which the government subsidizes, it may regulate from a famous Supreme Court case decades ago.
The much better answer, the much better answer to free us up and instill market forces in education which will benefit everybody is tuition tax credits, at the very least deductions.
And this is what I tried to tell you last week, I believe it was, and there was a great piece in the journal this week about it as well.
But if you had a universal tuition tax credit program where anybody could get a tax credit for paying the tuition of any other child, whether they were it was their child or not, you would instantly have a market, a flourishing market for education.
And by the way, it wouldn't cost the schools a dime.
Because the schools would say, okay, it cost us $8,000, 9,000 in Washington, D.C., $16,000.
In New York City, $15,000.
But whatever the cost might be, cost us $15,000 per pupil to educate this child.
The school is now relieved from educating the child.
That's a $15,000 expense they don't have.
Let's assume some of that is fixed costs.
So maybe not $15, maybe it's only a $10,000 expense they don't have.
So they're relieved from that.
The tuition tax credit may only be for five thousand enough to buy a good private school education probably or be a tipping point for somebody to do that.
So the the government coffers are out five thousand with a tax credit, but the schools gain the expense or not having the expense of fifteen thousand at the very least ten thousand they're up five thousand dollars.
So why would anybody be opposed to this?
What are they afraid of?
What did I tell you a minute ago?
Public education, the government schools as I call them, operate for the benefit of the members of the union called the NEA.
If people had true choice, that is they didn't have to didn't have to pay twice, once for their child's homeschooling or once for their child's private education and again their property sales and state income taxes for everybody else's kids, people would flee many of those schools and the union would shrink.
And there goes the NEA's political clout.
That's why they pour three million into a plan to defeat the Utah vouch I do think there's a problem with vouchers.
I don't think that's the way to go if you're interested in school choice, I think a two a tuition tax credit which incidentally Ronald Reagan ran on in 1980 in addition to abolishing the Department of Education that's the way to go if we really want to get out from under this elephant in the living room that is the government education.
I don't have to tell you the test scores especially internationally they're not good.
So we can talk about that as well open line Friday now up and running 1 eight hundred two eight two eight eight two on Jason Lewis and you're on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I am always having more fun than a human being should be allowed when I get the luxury of sitting in for El Rushbo Maharushi back on Monday when the self suspension is over I am Jason Lewis trying to do my best to keep things going here on an open line Friday let's go back to the calls.
Let's see who's up first Joe in Salt Lake City, you're on the Excellence in Broadcasting Network.
Hi.
Hi.
Um I was involved in the um uh voucher issue I was for it I was pro voucher and uh we already have two laws on the books already that um support vouchers so now what are they going to do?
who go back and take off the laws.
But another thing, I don't care how much money you throw at public education.
It's not going to get best.
I'm also a child.
Why not?
It just never has and it never will.
I'm a child psychologist, too, and I see both ends of the spectrum, the really smart ones and the really disability and handicap ones.
The only part of the population that the public school really addresses is the center, normal, nice, okay.
Kind of gravitate straight.
towards the the the common denominator so the gifted or left out look this is a classic government monopoly why is it Joe that so many liberals who wring their hands over the oil trust or Microsoft or anybody else sit there and support the greatest monopoly by government force ever created.
I have no choice whether I want to buy their services or not.
They take my money against my will.
It's remarkable I agree totally I mean is it do they want to brainwash our children?
You know sometimes I wonder after what I've heard from the colleges and and other areas of education are they going to start younger, start with the younger grades and just work their way up?
Well they certainly don't want accountability.
Every time you bring up accountability are people getting what they're they're paying for they you know the NEA will in a knee jerk reaction say well I can't be held accountable for a child's home life so don't hold me accountable but I can guarantee you if you give me more money we'll do better.
Well okay how are we going to measure that?
Well I don't know.
See right now we pay teachers not for what they do but how long they've belonged to the union in the lane and step system.
It is an antiquated pay scale the good teachers get dissed the bad teachers stay employed when they should be fired because again it's a government sanctioned monopoly and I don't know why people can't be pro choice when it comes to education and and besides that the good teachers leave and go into the private sector because they can't make enough money to support their families.
So what we're left with is not exactly the cream of the crop.
Well I don't know about that.
I mean they go into the private sector not to teach uh to do something else.
You know the more money.
Well true but look why is it that then the private schools, the parochial schools charge less for tuition and pay their teachers.
Look at take a look at the the benefits for pensions, the benefits for health care, and the average pay in Minnesota where I'm from is fifty thousand dollars now for a public school teacher.
Now, you know, that ain't rich, but it ain't beanbag either.
And why is it the parochial schools with lower paid teachers with fewer benefits actually achieve more, even educating at risk youth, because they look at it as a vocation, not necessarily something to be secure at.
I I think, you know, the unionization of teachers was the beginning of the downfall, and now it's just become this overwelding political animal that stifles every reform, every choice, and it did in Utah on Tuesday.
And it's you know sooner or later, I guess I I actually think there's a huge appetite for real school choice if it's presented the right way.
I don't think with all due respect, Joe, vouchers is the way to go because people have genuine concerns about gosh, I'm in a good private school with my kid now.
Now, you know, a hundred vouchers are going to come.
Oh who's going to come here, number one.
But number two, what kind of regulations will be attached to the voucher.
A tuition tax credit, and if you take a look at the case law on this, a tax credit like a charitable tax credit or deduction is not government money.
And the law, the the the case law, the precedent here would suggest that if you get a tuition tax credit for sending your child or homeschooling your child or sending them to a parochial school or what have you, that is not going to be considered government money where the school would have to comply with all of these other things.
Now they're going to have to comply with certain things to be accredited and that sort of thing.
But that that's why I think if you just tell people look, should you have to pay twice if you want to homeschool your child, yes or no?
No.
Should you have to pay twice if you want to send your child to a Catholic school?
Well no.
Should you have to pay twice if you want to send your child to a private school or evangelical school or whatever school kind of school.
No.
Well here's how we're going to solve that.
Whatever your tuition is we could even limit that.
I'd be uh you know amenable to that.
Let's limit it at five thousand dollars you're going to file on your tax returns just like you would a charitable deduction a tax credit for five thousand dollars.
Now you'll still be paying your property tax.
You'll still be paying to fund the public system you're just not going to pay twice.
And you're not going to have all of the government regulations coming with a tax credit as you would a voucher and that's why and especially when you talk about universal tax credits where anybody could pay the tuition and then get the tax credit.
I think that's a much better way to go.
There is a market for this big time out there.
There's an outfit used to be in California maybe in Montana now called the Association for the separation of school and state this love liberals the ACLU runs around we don't want the government intrusion.
We don't want government indoctrination we don't want the government censoring free speech but we want the state to educate our kids from cradle to grave.
Boy, where are the civil libertarians when you need them in Pittsburgh here's Rich on the Excellence and broadcasting network hi.
Hi Jason how are you?
Thanks could not be better.
Hey the reason I called we're in a situation where I live in our community that our teachers are on strike.
They've been on strike for about the last three and a half weeks they're scheduled to go back to work I think November 16th that's a mandate but it's really a negative on our community and a negative on these students how these teachers basically in the school board have failed to uh negotiate a contract and these children and these students are really held hostage by the whole situation.
Well I wait a minute every time every time they want more money they say it's for the kids but yet they're go willing to go out on strike so the kids don't get an education at all eventually they're going to get an education but apparently they could go to school up till June 30th of this year.
And Pennsylvania leads the nation in in teacher strike.
It's unbelievable and what should be done I know in thirty seven other states they disallow uh teachers to drive and it's just unbelievable that a government union basically a union that is sanctioned or supported by the government can go on strike for public education.
I just it just doesn't make sense to me well I think by their own definition, you know most states have laws that when government unions go out on strike, whether it's the you know teachers or the American Federation of state county and municipal employees or anybody that essential employees are not allowed to strike.
So the National Guard or Or what have you, they're not allowed to strike.
Now, what the teachers are saying to the to the public is I guess we're not that essential if we can strike.
Kind of an odd thing to be saying.
The point I was just saying a moment ago was the apocrisy of all of the school districts selling to you last week on all of the uh nationwide referenda for more money, and every time they do, they hold up a child, the last refuge of a scoundrel these days, and say it's for the kids.
But you know what?
If we have to go down and strike and the kids don't learn at all for a month, eh, so be it.
Well, I guess they weren't thinking of the kids then, were they?
And that's the apocrisy of all of this.
I have got a real problem with government unions.
I think we shouldn't be forced to subsidize them, and as long as there's taxation, we will be.
Yes, we are back with me, Jason Lewis, Marvelous Mike at the controls, H.R. Kit Cheesehead Carson, of course, producing the program as always.
You know, uh kid was giving me a little static during the break here on this Packer Viking game in Lambeau Field.
Kid I understand you're giving me three touchdowns, uh a hundred dollar bet, I'll take it.
Oh, wasn't wasn't three touchdowns?
I obviously I obviously I gotta go with the Vikes because last week against the Chargers, they had a they had a pass defense.
So if they can do that going into Green Bay, I know the Packers are seven and one, but they're not the Patriots.
And we'll see.
Vikings at the um at Lambo Field, Kit the Wisconsin boy is uh obviously ready to go with uh Brad Fav and company.
I, the Minnesota boy, will have to take the Vikes and three touchdowns.
1800 282 2882, Jason Lewis here filling in for Rush.
You'll be back on Monday in Lowell, Massachusetts.
Mike, you're on the Excellence and Broadcasting Network.
Hi, Jason, how are you?
Could not be better, sir.
Listen, I had a I had a problem with your math uh a little while ago when you were talking about the um tax credits.
Right.
Uh you use the example of fifteen thousand dollars as uh average cost per pupil.
Well, it's a little bit high.
Nationwide, it's about uh ten thousand one hundred and fifty-nine according to the Census Bureau.
But in in DC it's almost eighteen thousand, New Jersey sixteen thousand, New York eighteen sixteen thousand, you go right down the list.
Right.
Well, I I'm a teacher, and in our district it's about nine thousand.
Where do you live?
You're in Massachusetts?
I'm in Massachusetts, yeah.
The average statewide, according to the annual survey of local government finances, U.S. Census Bureau just released a few weeks ago, thirteen thousand four hundred and seventy-four dollars statewide per pupil expenditures in Massachusetts.
Right.
Per pupil is my issue.
Right.
That does if you if you take one kid out of that, you're not saving even after fixed costs and average, because the kids that are going to come out are not the kids who are getting the expensive special ed services.
We have we have kids in our system that are costing $140,000 a year.
Because they are that severely handicapped.
Actually, I think you've got a point, but you exaggerate just a tad.
Um, we're moving the trick has to pay for a residential placement.
I know, I find that ironic.
Why in the Supreme Court ruling, uh, they ruled a couple of weeks ago about this New York City media mogul uh that the school district has to reimburse for a private special education for a son at a private school, this former Viacom executive.
Exactly.
So what the court said is school choice is okay for special ed kids, but not the not the rest of the kids, which I found rather odd.
And then the the regular special ed population where the state mandates limits of five to one for a teacher, those kids are costing thirty to fifty thousand dollars a year.
Are you?
Well, let me let me give you the honest teacher test.
Now, I I disagree with your analysis a little bit because I told you in in my in my spiel here a moment ago that I would consider that if you if a kid leaves the school district, the school district still has fixed costs.
The lighting, the building, they gotta pay for that.
So let's mark it down by a third.
There's no way the school does not get a big relief of some expense if students are to leave.
And you know what's the single biggest only if enough students leave that you're Mike, what is the single largest expense in any school district, be honest.
Including including non-teachers as well.
Yep.
But but if you are suggesting that we need to rethink the individuals with disabilities in education act of nineteen seventy-five, I could not agree more.
We've got a special ed system that is running out of control.
We've got parents in schools classifying kids in special ed who shouldn't be there.
We're paying for these Tony Private schools uh because of special ed.
I would be all for that.
But you know who fights and in our state we have a limit on the proposition two and a half tax limit.
Right.
So special ed, which is mandated services, get met first, and everybody else gets funded out of Well, now let's let's be honest again.
If you want to go without Federal Title I funds, if you want to go without federal help, you do not have to prov uh comply with the IDEA.
No, in Massachusetts, we we're dealing with Massachusetts.
Well, you may have a different You may have a state mandate there, but usually what I when I get into a discussion about this, people say, Jason, you don't understand.
We've got federal special ed requirements that the federal government mandates but doesn't fund.
It's actually not true.
There's no such thing as an unfunded federal education mandate.
They say if you want Title I low poverty or poverty funding or power schools with high poverty funding.
And we do get some of that.
Right.
What I'm saying to you though is this.
Every time you want to reform special ed, every time you want to uh you know rethink the mainstreaming mantra and all of this, who fights the reforms in Washington and at your state capital.
I'll give you one big lobbying group.
You know who it is?
Um I'm guessing the teachers union.
You got it.
Because special what do you teach, Mike?
I teach math, middle school math.
All right.
The special ed teachers are growing in number, as you well know.
Those are union members.
Yeah, well, we're all union members.
I know, but I'm saying you the the purpose the NEA's primary focus is to grow the union.
Probably.
Look, uh the your special ed point is is uh is well founded, but all I'm suggesting to you is twofold.
One, let's reform it, but you're gonna have to fight your own union.
And two, don't you think it's ironic that since the Supreme Court decision that someone who has a special ed child has de facto school choice.
Not de facto, de jure school choice, but the rest of the kids don't.
Right.
If they can get if they can get a doctor, and they usually constantiate.
You also made the comment that when you when you take the tax credit, why are you paying twice for your kid to go to school here and taxes?
You bet you're not paying twice.
You're paying for your child to go to the school that you choose and for the education of everybody else's children.
Well, okay, I've got a I got a plan for you.
Are you ready?
Um I'm going to open up a business.
Maybe it will be um education consulting.
I'll consult the schools.
Um you need to pay my salary, whether you use my service or not.
Now that you still got a choice.
You can go buy in somebody else's product, but you have to, by law, pay for my products and services.
Well, I wish McDonald's had that.
I bet McDonald's shareholders wish you got to buy McDonald's every month.
If you want to go to Burger King, you can, but by law, you gotta buy us.
We're still giving you choice.
You just have to pay twice.
Of course you pay twice.
Of course you do.
Uh you know, I'm t I'm paying for a service.
Now your argument is the the usual argument about education being a public good.
I uh I'll be honest with you, I'm a radical on this.
I don't think it's a public good in the sense of that if government doesn't do it, no one will.
If you didn't have government running the schools, people would educate their children.
They did before Horace Mann and they will afterwards.
Uh a public benefit is not a public good.
If a company locates in Lowell, Massachusetts, Mike, we don't subsidize them on the notion that, well, you know, if you subsidize this company, we'll have the multiplier effect, the Keynesian economists will tell us, and the money will turn over, and and goodness, we got to subsidize this because it's a public good, everybody benefits.
Hogwash.
This business is done for the benefit of that business.
And when somebody's child is educated, you or I may or may not benefit from that.
If a child grows up, goes into government work, I don't think that's a benefit for me, depending on what it is.
If they grow up and they go into a field of which I never have any interaction, that's not a benefit for me.
It may or may not be.
A public good is when, in the absence of government, it breaks down.
National defense is a public good.
A system of courts and jurisprudence, a police force is a public good, unless you want warring armies.
Education would be provided just fine if the government gave people choice.
Mike, thanks for the call.
A good one, Scott in Billings, Montana.
You're on the Rush Limbaugh program with Jason Lewis.
Hi.
Hi, Jason.
Certainly agree with your point, and to further expand on that, if people think for just a moment, what do you do when you need food, clothing, housing, transportation, or most of the things in your life?
You show up the free marketplace.
But what do we do when we do one of the most important things any of us will ever do?
See that our children are educated.
We turn them over to the government monopoly, as you so rightly call it.
Well, there's an organization that you alluded to briefly that is trying to educate people about the idea of a free market in education, and they're called the Alliance for the Separation of School and State.
They're based in Fresno, California.
Fresno, okay, I that's what I thought it was.
You know, it's it's a great you're right.
And I'm familiar somewhat with the organization.
Look, people have this it's been inculcated in the minds of uh of kids when they were, you know, strip first going to school, that public schools or government schools are the only way to go.
And that really wasn't the case.
Uh exactly right, Jason.
When this country was founded, there were no public schools.
There was private schools, home schools, dame schools, a lot of people self-educated.
The idea that our country was founded with government schools, I believe the framers would be spinning in their graves if they could see the present state of affairs.
Well, Tom Thomas Jefferson did help found the University of Virginia.
Was that not a public piece of higher education?
Higher ed.
I'm talking about one through twelve.
And then not entirely public, because you charge at universities.
In fact, I would take the university model.
I mean, look at the GI Bill, look at uh uh the Hope scholarships.
I mean, those are essentially vouchers.
But you I want to draw your analogy out a little bit.
Just think about this.
We have people that society says we're going to provide a safety net for when it comes to food.
What do we have?
We have food vouchers.
They're called food stamps.
We don't have government run grocery stores for everybody, whether they're rich or poor.
That would be analogous to what we've done in education.
I mean, if we want a means test education, I suppose we could to make certain people don't fall through.
I think a tuition tax credit would do that nicely.
But you you couldn't be more correct.
And I think I think that there's been a a bit of a um a tactical mistake, and God bless Milton Friedman.
He's done wonders for this country, but uh I gotta disagree with Uncle Uncle Milty here for a second in focusing so much on vouchers.
I mean by by focusing on vouchers, we're scaring the suburban parents and we're giving ammunition to uh the big unions where you just simply say, Look, you know, you you go outside the system for education, homeschooling, what have you, you're gonna get a tax credit, or at the very least a tax deduction, regardless of income.
1-800-282-2882, I'm Jason Lewis, in for Rush Lumbo on the Excellence and Broadcasting Network.
All right, gang, Rush is back on Monday after his self-imposed suspension is completed uh today, I guess.
I am Jason Lewis trying to fill the big shoes of Maharushi.
Always a pleasure to be here at the Excellence and Broadcasting Network with uh Ferris in Hartford, Connecticut.
You are next on the big show.
Hi.
Boy, and you are filling up those shoes big time.
Well, we're trying, buddy.
My case of EIB has just gotten uh beyond incurable.
Well, I think there's penicillin, never mind.
Jason, uh just a quick uh Veterans Day appreciation to my father, uh Will, who uh is Battle of the Bulge guy and other places with pictures of people in France and Germany and all those places, and my question to you is uh before I tell you why Al Gore is going to be the next presidential nominee of the Democratic Party.
If this uh World War II war hero tells his children that his purple heart was for cutting himself shaving, and and that was not the case, does that make him a liar?
I'm not certain where you're going with this, but I would suggest yes.
And I not going too far, just write right what you see on the face of it.
Uh if that was a story, I wonder if uh if that was true or not.
But uh greetings to him and also to the family of Michael P. Murphy, who is the first Medal of Honor winner in the Middle Eastern theater and uh Penn uh Penn State grad uh who we are all proud of.
Is that the lone survivor the book The Lone Survivor was about?
Uh Michael P. Murphy is a Navy SEAL who uh covered his team and gave his life for his team.
Right.
What what books have been written?
I have nothing uh unless I'm confusing things.
I think the book Lone Survivor was about the Navy SEAL team in Afghanistan, and he was the obviously the guy that wrote it was a lone survivor, and and of course the other fellow won the posthumously the Medal of Honor uh a couple of weeks ago in a very unbelievably moving story, uh and you couldn't be more correct.
Honor these people uh come veterans day.
I'm glad you reminded me of that.
And I wouldn't argue with you on your source there, especially with the handle that you have on the NEA and what goes on inside these uh schools.
It it's an incredible uh handle that you have.
But I'm I'm predicting, and I wonder what you think of my prediction.
Why do you say that?
Why do you say that Gore will be I mean we're gonna have to widen the White House doors then to get him in there?
I mean, come on.
Well, that's yeah, but look back and look at the size of Grover Cleveland.
Do you remember how big he was?
Listen to this.
Here's how Gore gets it.
Hillary does the inevitable, sticks her foot in her mouth again, stumbles and falls.
People will find out that there were not 900 FBI files that she sees.
There were 9,000 FBI files that she sees.
You pick anything that she's done in her past that she is tenuous and nervous about.
And you combine that with the fact that when she falls, Al Gore is the fair-haired boy now of the far left, and he got a Nobel Peace Prize, and he's on every TV show, and he's going to get drafted in Obama.
A man by the name of Barack Hussein, I'll spell that H-U-S-S-E-I-N is his middle name, Obama, will be the vice presidential candidate because of his popularity in his war chest.
So my demographer.
And do you does he win?
Uh no, he loses a right-thinking individual.
Believe it or not, Ferris, I think Gore is less credible today than he was in two thousand.
The the media are in love with Al Gore.
The hard environmental left is in love with Al Gore.
The average American citizen, I hope, I hope, and I certainly I know of people, that look at this guy and say, Boy, here's a guy that did not recover very well from a loss.
He kind of went off the deep end here.
And as if you want to see the best thing that can happen in the global warming debate is to bring the debate front and center so that the the panoply of of scientists and weathermen like John Coleman, whom we had on the program, can actually engage the debate.
I want it below below uh the radar.
I want it up and above the surface, I should say.
And I and I and I think what will happen is Gore's credibility will be shot by the time the campaign would be over.
And I don't think you'll do it for that reason.
I I really don't.
But Ferris, great to hear from you, and you couldn't be more correct on Veterans Day Sunday.
Dave in Chicota, Oklahoma.
Welcome to the Rush Limbaugh program.
Yes, sir, Jason.
Uh I want to comment.
You're doing a great job, and I'm enjoying listening to you.
I appreciate that.
Yes, sir.
Uh I wanted to draw an analogy between uh the Y2K fiasco and the current global warming fiasco.
Look at the look at the analogies there.
It uh the only difference in Y2K is there was a definite end.
And it was all about the money also.
Right.
Well, you gotta understand liberals need a crisis.
How else liberal you know, I'm glad you brought this up.
Can't I can't believe I'm a talk show host, I talk so little.
Uh Liberals need a crisis in order to get people to depart with their money, their time, and their liberty.
There was an old saying, war is the health of the state, where people would give up uh things they wouldn't normally give up in a time of war because they're afraid.
Well, now we've got a war on poverty, and six and a half trillion dollars later, the poverty rate has not gone down.
We've got a war on this and a war on that, instead of the legitimate war on terror, they want to poo-poo that.
They want a war on global warming.
Well, how else would would a you know, liberalism is essentially getting people to do things that are unnatural and that they ordinarily wouldn't do?
Can't drive your car, can't live in a five-bedroom house in the suburbs with a three-car garage.
Uh, you know, you can't use too much energy.
You oh, you gotta pay high taxes, you gotta give up your money.
All of those things are counterintuitive to say the least.
So how else would liberalism uh get implemented?
A crisis.
And that's why you have to do it.
So we create these crises that don't exist in order to implement liberalism, which is why, as I said earlier, Dave.
Isn't it amazing that the same solutions for global warming or these solutions for global warming are the same ones the Democrats have been preaching long before global warming?
How convenient.
I gotta move.
Thanks for the call, Dave.
I am Jason Lewis filling in for Rush Limbo on the Excellence and Broadcasting Network.
Well, my thanks to uh Kit and Mike and everybody involved here at EIB and also, of course, to El Rushbo.
What kind of integrity does it does it display when you self self-censor, self-suspend yourself for not being up to your own standards?
Rush is uh served as punishment.
We are going to release him back on Monday.
Ma Rushi will take control, so uh fear not, gang.
It's been a great open line Friday.
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