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Oct. 25, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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October 25, 2007, Thursday, Hour #2
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And welcome back, my good friends.
Rushlin Boy here at the EIB Southern Command behind the Golden EIB microphone with yet another hour of brilliantly conceived and flawlessly executed broadcast excellence.
Telephone number if you want to be on the program today, 800-282-2882.
I want to set a premise here for just a little bit later on the program because I went back to yesterday.
I've got these sound bites of the Democrats on the floor of the Senate literally smearing and trashing Judge Leslie Southwick.
They thought Harry Reid and the boys thought they had him defeated.
But he was confirmed.
But wait till you hear what they had to say about him.
The whole anatomy of a smear thing.
And maybe have they smeared themselves out?
I want to talk about that as we get going under the program a little later on.
But right now, I want to welcome to the program Lynn Cheney, the wife of Vice President Dick Cheney, a new book out called The Blue Skies and No Fences.
Mrs. Cheney, it's always a pleasure to talk to you, and I welcome you to the program.
Well, thank you, Resh.
It's so much fun to be on with you.
Now, tell me, this is a memoir, I know, but I'm intrigued with the title, Blue Skies, No Fences.
I know it is a review of your youth growing up the way life was in the middle of the 20th century in the West.
But when I read Blue Skies, No Fences, is this about how times are much more innocent?
And do you get into how times have become less innocent since you were growing up?
For sure.
I think what Blue Skies No Fences portrays is the era before the left took its long march through our cultural institutions.
You know, I grew up, and I grew up with Dick, of course, in a time when all of television was a family hour, in a time when you could sing the lyrics of popular songs to your grandma.
It was a time when, you know, you look to the news, you look to the mainstream media for reports of what had happened rather than editorials about what had happened.
So it is kind of the time before the fall.
I think it's a useful thing to go back and look at what society was like before so many of our institutions were dominated by the left.
Well, anybody that's interviewed you to date or talked to you said something along the lines of this to you?
Come on, Mrs. Cheney, now you look back at the past, it's fine, but it's gone.
That was then, this is now.
You're just being an old fuddy-duddy about this.
You're wishing for things that can't be again.
Have anybody said that to you?
You know, in fact, it's true.
I probably will never be able to have my grandchildren grow up in the same kind of era of complete confidence.
That was part of it.
The future was as bright as the blue skies overhead.
And, you know, I don't think my grandkids will grow up like that.
But what good parents do is shelter them from the culture, which is, you know, not very hospitable to children these days.
And I see my daughter doing that.
I see both daughters doing that.
I see my friends who have grandchildren helping to do that.
You know, keep them away from the worst that's on television.
Keep them away from the harm that's on the internet.
Keep them away from movies.
I mean, there's a lot out there you just have to shelter them from.
Well, the culture is constantly evolving.
And I remember when I was, let's say, 1962, whenever the Beatles hit, I was 12 or 13 years old.
And parents, my parents and others in that generation, were just appalled.
They just, they thought, oh, society has gone, these kids, look at what they're listening to.
And it was all about the length of their hair.
If you actually listen to the lyrics of early Beatles songs, they were just corny love songs.
And their melodies were such that orchestras could record them and they were beautiful.
And the Beatles later on, when they get the Maharishi Mahash yogi and so forth, they eventually turned and got into more controversial areas.
But what about the fact that every generation of parents thinks that its current generation of kids is just facing all kinds of challenges they'll never be able to overcome, and eventually this is all going to collapse.
And yet it doesn't happen.
We do keep surviving and thriving.
You know, I think part of what happens is that there's resistance to these messages that you get from the mainstream press, from rock music, from rap music, from movies, from television.
There's resistance to it by lots and lots of people who just won't take the message of doom and gloom that is so often portrayed.
There was a piece in, I don't know, one of the newspapers, maybe USA Today this week, about how all these downbeat movies aren't going anywhere.
And there's a piece today, in fact, in the front page of the Washington Times about how people are resisting all of these anti-Iraq movies that have big stars in them, like Meryl Streep, for example.
So there's a lot of good common sense in the populace at large, a lot of good common sense in your listeners, that simply don't fall for the line that we get fed.
And that's sort of the hope of the culture and the hope of tomorrow.
Now, audience, when I say this, they might cock their heads and be a little curious.
I haven't had a chance to read the whole book, but I did read enough of it.
And I read about your teenage years.
And honestly, I was reminded reading what you wrote of your teenage years of American graffiti, the movie.
And people are not going to associate you with the things that happened in American graffiti.
Well, you know, one of the things they might not associate me with is baton twirling, and I was quite a good baton twirler.
This is something I tried to keep secret for many years after we came to Washington since I thought I needed to be taken seriously.
But I discovered the other day that Ruth Bader Ginsburg had also been a baton twirler, so I decided it was safe to talk about it.
Well, we're learning all kinds of things here.
But you're right, it was like American graffiti.
And there was some.
I mean, you were actually, you drove around in the souped-up mobiles that needed a stepladder to get in the trunk, and they had drag races and this kind of hanging around at the local burger joint.
You know, I kind of did.
I will tell you that perhaps the vice president was not so convinced that this was an important undertaking.
We spent a lot of time cruising between one drive-in on one end of town and another drive-in on the other.
And he didn't see the importance of this, so he perhaps wasn't as important a figure on the social scene as maybe I would have liked in the beginning.
But I soon figured out that quiet, calm, and confident was my cup of tea.
Well, the challenge here of adapting to the, some would say the devolution of the culture and so forth.
What do you hope people get from reading your book other than the obvious, the times are innocent back then?
Because you really can't go back and relive those days.
You can't bring them forward.
People may try.
It could be nice if certain things could happen today as they did then.
But what are people supposed to do?
Well, I think, one, realize what's happened.
You know, the 60s were devastating in many ways.
The 60s were an age, you know, where we were taught that innocence, the adjective you'd give to my book, that innocence was repression.
And that what the country really needed was, you know, a drug-induced frenzy like Woodstock.
See the price that the 60s exacted by looking at a book like this.
Understand how important it is to help your kids know about other eras in our culture when they weren't under assault by messages about, you know, wearing skimpy clothes and and doing drugs at all times.
When you left the house to play and you were gone for hours, did your parents worry where you went?
No, you know, it was a very.
It was a safe culture in the sense that criminals were doing crime and most middle-class families like mine thought that we had nothing to do with that.
I certainly didn't grow up in a you know some kind of pleasantville.
Our town had a you know very scandalous district that stretched out behind the courthouse, but that wasn't, you know that wasn't part of the culture for kids.
I love the way you put that.
A scandalous district that stretched out behind the courthouse, I know.
But you know small towns are like that.
They've got this part and that part.
And the other thing is, I think it's really helpful for kids to see their families, to see their family stories, to know what it was like when their parents, when their grandparents, grew up, and even to go back further.
There are so many unnamed heroes and heroines in our history.
I put some of the ones from Dix in my family in this book, but every family has those.
One of the things that the left tries to do is to tell us that our story, our national story, is a grim and depressing one.
And it is not.
It is full of heroes and we should teach ourselves and our children about them.
I know you were in.
You were inspired by the pioneers and I was reading that part of your book the you know from, from the Sooners in Oklahoma to just the covered wagon crowd that went west.
You realize if if, if people tried to get in covered wagons today, 14 federal agencies and two state agencies wouldn't let them go an inch because the wheels wouldn't pass inspection.
And those people knew real hardship, mrs. Cheney.
They over, they were rugged individualists and they were self-reliant.
They didn't know nanny state government, they didn't know regulations, they just knew what they wanted to do and had to do.
And you are absolutely right, there's there's so much to learn by watching the people who actually forged and built the country and what they went through to do it.
It helps you be grateful for the life that we know, but it also tells you that the life we know, you know, is going to take some effort on our own part to keep it going.
That's why I listened to you Rush, and why i'm so grateful to your show, for you know, you keep fighting back against the this, the idea that somehow this is a bad country.
You keep fighting for the idea that we're a great and good nation.
And boy, I see that in our history.
I want to tell that to our kids.
I think we all ought to take a little time every day to uh to try to remember the people that built this nation and to you know, shoulder our own responsibility to keep it going.
It's it's gotten to the point where you get up any given day in this country and if you turn on the news, you're going to see doom gloom.
Uh, you're going to see apocalyptic news stories.
You're going to see tax increases uh, that make no sense.
Uh, more regulations, just a world closing in on you.
Uh, you uh, as the wife of the vice president uh, you and your family have come under some of the most vicious personal attacks uh, that In my lifetime, I can remember.
You're right up there with what Nixon endured and Ronald Reagan and others.
And yet, here you are writing this cheerful, optimistic book about your past.
And there's certainly no bitterness in this book whatsoever.
You know, when I think about some of my grandmothers, great-grandmothers, my grandmother raised her family in the Salt Creek oil fields outside Casper, Wyoming, where I grew up.
When I think about her raising babies in what was essentially a tent out there, you know, where it got 30 below in the winter, where the wind blew like crazy at all times, where there was no plant life to hold down the dust, I think, you know, boy, my life is easy.
Yeah, you got people out there saying things you wish they wouldn't say, but you push back.
That's what you do.
You know, I think of my Mormon grandmother who came across the ocean and across the country and lost her husband and lost her baby and kept going, you know, because she wanted to get to Utah and she believed she could.
That optimism and that determinism are characteristics that, you know, I hold up for myself and hope that I can emulate and that I want to have my children know about.
Well, that's great.
And I really thank you for giving us this time to talk about the book.
Again, folks, it's called Blue Skies, No Fences, a Memoir of Childhood and Family by Lynn Cheney.
And it's, I mean, it's sobering in a sense, Mrs. Cheney, because it's a flat-out reminder of how things once were and how they've been lost, but can still be remembered and used as influences in your own family.
It's a very, very excellent point.
Thanks for your time.
It's always.
It's great to talk to you, Red.
You might.
That's Vice President Lynn Cheney, wife of the Vice President Lynn Cheney.
And again, the book, Blue Skies, No Fences.
We'll be right back and continue here on the EIB network.
I want you to hear Secretary of State Connollies Rice announcing new actions against Iran.
This was from the State Department or at the State Department this morning.
The Iranian government continues to spurn our offer of open negotiations, instead threatening peace and security by pursuing nuclear technologies that can lead to a nuclear weapon, building dangerous ballistic missiles, supporting Shia militants in Iraq and terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territories, and denying the existence of a fellow member of the United Nations, threatening to wipe Israel off the map.
Because of the Revolutionary Guard's support for proliferation and because of the Qat's Force support for terrorism, acting under U.S. law and consistent with our international obligations, the United States today is designating both of these groups.
If Iran's rulers choose to continue down a path of confrontation, the United States will act with the international community to resist these threats of the Iranian regime.
And she also mentioned two or three banks in Iran that are directly responsible for funding both terrorism and the illegal nuclear program.
They laid down the law today, and after she was finished, the Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson got up there and he started lashing out some warnings to Iran.
This has been in the works since August.
And what's going on here is an attempt to freeze.
They're going to freeze their assets.
And we think that we have encouraged and gotten the support of allies now in France and Germany to join us.
The attack on the financial structure of Iran, which is what this really is at this point, has worked.
Inflation's going through the roof in that country.
Ms. Rice also said in this statement, she made a direct appeal to the Iranian people.
We've got nothing but love for you.
We have nothing against you.
One of the problems with Iran right now is that a lot of the Iranian population is very, very much supportive of the United States.
People live in oppression in that country, and they very much admire us.
And that puts a limit on military action that you can take because you don't want to destroy that goodwill.
So what she announced today was serious, serious, serious financial consequences, and she named names.
And Hank Paulson went up there with her to do so.
The Kuds Force, the International Revolutionary Guard, these two, the Kuds is actually a derivative of the Revolutionary Guard.
They're really one and the same.
They're operating in theater in Iraq and have been.
They are sponsoring terrorism, working with the Syrians in Hezbollah, as everybody knows.
Some might not want to admit it, but they are.
And the president's been warning that this has been coming.
Nobody can say this is coming out of the blue.
Mrs. Clinton, you know, getting a little heat from her blogosphere kuk fringe because she signed and voted for an authorization to allow the president to take some action against Iran, which the kuk fringe, oh my gosh, it's just a rock all over again.
What oh no, it's horrible in the anti-war movement.
But the thing is, the anti-war movement can't get anything done.
Moveon.org and their Petraeus smear backfired big time.
Dingy Harry's smear of me backtime backfired big time.
They thought they had Judge Southwick dead to rights yesterday.
Listen to these soundbites.
Starbucks number 13, Chuck Schumer on the Senate floor about the upcoming vote of Judge Leslie Southwick's nomination to the appellate bench.
Poison in this country.
The thing that could do us in is race and racism.
So when it comes to the area of race and racism, we have to bend over backwards.
The African American community in Mississippi, in the country, is strongly against the Southwick nomination.
When you condone using the N-word, you are doing just that.
Here's more of Schumer.
Like it or not, when he's nominated to the Fifth Circuit, he is carrying 200 and some odd years of bigotry that has existed in this country and particularly in this circuit on his back.
I do believe when it comes to the issue of race, one on the Fifth Circuit must be exemplary.
And this case shows that he is not.
He has failed that standard.
And I would urge my colleagues, every one of them on both sides of the aisle, to look into their hearts when they cast this important vote.
I'm not going to waste time talking about this case, this one case, the N-word.
It's a little bit complicated to get into, but it's not what Schumer's portraying it to be.
The point is, he just incited an entire part of the country, just indicted at a judicial circuit as having 200 years of bigotry.
Harry Reid got into the act.
Here's a little bit of Dingy Harry, a montage.
Judge King wrote regarding the N-word, and I quote him: there are some words which, by their nature and definition, are so inherently offensive that their use establishes the intent to offend.
It was clear in this decision that Judge Southwick should have joined the majority.
And the majority would have been with Judge King.
He decided to not go with the majority and create his own majority to, in effect, agree that using this N-word was nothing more than just an offhand remark that meant nothing.
A failure to give full weight to the vile meaning and history of the N-word is deeply disturbing.
I cannot overlook it.
Well, you should overlook it because you've got Sheets Bird in the Senate, sir, who just recently on television was using the N-word on Fox News.
We've got to bite if you want to hear it.
They're going overboard on these smears, folks.
They thought they had him defeated yesterday morning, and he was confirmed.
Another loss for Dingy Harry.
And we're back, and we go to the phones.
Thank you for patiently waiting.
This is Sandra in Flemington, New Jersey.
Nice to have you on the program.
Hi, Mr. Limbaugh.
How are you today?
Hi, good, and very, very good.
Thank you.
Well, I have to tell you, I had the call because I was listening to your program yesterday, like I do every day, and I was having a really good time with the interview you were doing with the truck driver who watched the view at the truck stop.
And one thing that really cracked me up was when you said something along the lines of, if you see a Volvo in a truck stop parking lot, go to the next truck stop.
And I said, whoa, wait a minute.
I drive a Volvo, and I listen to Russ Limbaugh every day.
Yeah, but do you go to truck stops?
No, I don't.
Well, you left that out of the equation.
Ah, but I just wanted you to know that there are conservatives out here that drive Volvos, too.
Well, does your husband happen to work in a dealership that sells them?
No, he doesn't.
Okay, just checking to make sure that you had total objectivity on the issue.
Yeah, this is my car.
But why did you say that?
Someone said, I don't know.
It was just, you know, I just like stereotypical humor and Volvos.
You know, just associate them with do-gooders and, you know, the libs.
Oh, no, no, no.
As I said to your screener, I said, I thought he was going to say Beamer, and the screener kind of went, ooh, kind of thing.
So I thought that was a lot of fun.
But I'm a registered nurse.
I worked at the VA for many years.
So all the good things you have to say about the veterans and the servicemen really touch my heart.
And I'd like to thank you for getting through the muck that the left news media gets out there every day so we can hear the truth because it's really important because it's so sad Americans aren't really listening.
Some are, but there's a bulk of them that aren't.
Yeah, I know there's a lot of them, but we are making headway.
Look, this is this is, I appreciate that.
And I apologize for insulting you and your car.
It was just a perhaps a weak attempt at stereotypical humor.
It really is unfair to judge people by the cars they drive.
That's absolutely true.
And I'll try not to do that anymore in the future.
What do you mean you have a Volvo?
The thing you're driving is a Volvo?
It is?
I know your real car, the white thing that you tool.
That's a Volvo?
I would have never known it's a Volvo, so that doesn't count.
We're talking to Dawn here.
He's driving a new Cadillac this week.
This is a four-door sedan, a great four-door family sedan.
It's a CTS, right?
And it's, man, it's a gorgeous car.
I haven't tooled around in it yet myself, but it's going to be my turn soon.
Thanks for the call, Sandra.
I appreciate it.
Jeff in Harrisonburg, Virginia, you are next.
I'm glad you were patient.
Hey, Rush, thank you very much for letting me on.
Color meet another soldier who appreciates just about everything you're saying.
I've never been insulted by anything you've ever said, but I want to make sure people understand that the smear campaign against you, what a joke with regard to you're outing funny soldiers.
And there are funny soldiers and have been who pretended to be people of credentials to the people.
Hell, the latest one is this guy, Scott Thomas Bochamper Beach.
I don't know how he pronounces his name, but he just wrote a whole bunch of lies this past summer in the New Republic, a liberal journal of opinion.
And the New Republic supposedly conducted an investigation.
And it turns out the whole, most of what he wrote was just absolute BS.
Events that he said took place in Iraq took place in Kuwait.
Some of the events didn't take place at all.
These guys are all over the place.
And note, they are the ones the left embrace.
Yeah, I challenge them absolutely upfront every time.
And almost never do I encounter anything besides a pony.
I don't know anybody.
I've been in the Army for 26 years.
I don't know anybody who's particularly who's been there, who denigrates the effort, who says it's illegitimate, who thinks, you know, or who would characterize, as Kerry did during Vietnam, our efforts to somehow.
No, no, some of them have come back, but they're not the ones that get criticized for their views.
Right.
Well, I never have personally, and I walk up to particularly folks walking with a cane or whatever at Fort Hood and say, hey, you know, how'd you get hurt?
A lot of her sports injuries.
But absolutely everyone that I've encountered that has a combat injury either A, can't wait to go back and complete the mission and rejoin his unit, or B, can't say enough about the good work that's being done that makes it worth it that we're injured.
So, you know, I just, I think it's important to point to those folks who are pretending.
You know, if you have legitimate criticism, there are legitimate criticisms of the war effort.
I mean, I'm all about listening to that.
I mean, how can we improve without criticism?
What I'm against is these disingenuous and false attacks, like the one on you, where you take a guy's words and mash them around and try to pretend like he said something he just didn't say.
And I don't think it's right or fair.
I call to talk about environmentalism and how conservatives are better environmentalists than we get credit for.
But thanks for the opportunity to say something about the war and how many of the critics of it are indeed false and funny.
All right.
Well, look, I appreciate your sentiments and your support on the Dingy Harry smear.
You know, Chuck Schumer, we just played a soundbite to Chuck Schumer trashing Judge Leslie Southwick.
Chuck Schumer is one of the signers of the Harry Reid smear letter.
Harry Reid trashed Judge Southwick.
He, of course, the author of the Harry Reid smear letter.
Let me expand on this just a little bit.
Some of you might think of this, or I react to this as wishful thinking.
We try to spot trends here at the EIB network.
And there are a lot of events that have taken place just in the last three to four weeks.
You can go back even farther than that if you wish, that might indicate a trend.
And one of the things is that the Democrats are accomplishing nothing.
The S-CHIP bill, down in flames.
They're trying to bring it back in a different iteration, but it went down in flames.
Harry Reid's smear of me backfired.
Southwick ends up being confirmed on the there was another piece of legislation.
Dingy Harry and Durbin thought that they were going to be able to spend half of the day yesterday and all day today debating.
And that what was it?
I'm having a metal block.
What was the let me go back to the bottom of the stack here because it was big and they just totally miscalculated, thought that they had all of the votes to get this done.
Oh, yeah, the wet dream bill, the wet dream act, the stealth amnesty bill.
Yesterday, Dingy Harry thought that he had the 60 votes for cloture, and we're going to spend half of the day, yesterday, all day today, debating it and then voting on it, and he lost.
He had eight Democrats defect.
They only got 52 votes for cloture.
You need 60.
Now, if you just look at these events alone, ladies and gentlemen, what you see is that every, and go back to all their Iraq war resolutions, their attempted smear of General Petraeus or Petraeus, which backfired on them.
You just, I'm wondering if with so much attention that's being focused on the Democrats now since they won in November of 06, and actually you can go back years and years and years for information and data incidents to ask the question.
But have they perhaps smeared themselves out at some point, and I don't know what we've reached it, but at some point, you have to say that a majority of people paying attention are going to say, these people just can't be that bad.
Everybody the president nominates or everybody, every person the Democrats seek to destroy and criticize, they just can't be this bad.
And after a while of all these false allegations and false charges and these smears that backfire, and they don't care who they mount them against, at some point, you have to believe, I do, because I'm an optimist, you have to believe that this is all going to start backfiring on them.
The same thing with Wrangell's massive tax increase.
$1 trillion, largest tax increase in American history.
He proposes it a year out.
And by the way, make no mistake, this is Hillary Clinton's tax increase.
Wrangell runs away as a means committee.
But the right way to look at this is that Wrangell is always the forward operator for Mrs. Clinton.
He first raised the idea of her running for the Senate in New York.
He just went after Rudy's personal life, obviously at her behest.
So in this case, what Charles Wrangell is doing with his massive tax increase is merely giving us a peek at Hillary's tax vision for America.
Everything that Wrangell does in this regard, without any question in my mind, is an extension of Hillary Clinton and is probably specifically her idea.
But they're being so brazen about all of these things and they're being so upfront and public about it because they're arrogant and cocky.
Their hubris is amazing to watch.
They think they've already won the White House.
It's already over.
And when you start counting the eggs, the chickens, 40 eggs hatch, you often are blindsided and shocked, stunned, and surprised because that kind of arrogance leads you to ignoring reality.
And I'm just wondering, maybe wishful thinking, but I'm just wondering if all of these recent events are starting to backfire on these people.
I know they don't look like as big a joke as we portray them here because the drive-bys do not portray them that way.
But Harry Reid has had a dismal three weeks.
Nancy Pelosi has had a dismal two weeks.
Two of the most ineffective leaders of the House and Senate the Democrats have ever had.
Now, the drive-bys are not portraying it this way, obviously, but the rank-and-file Democrats have to be noticing this.
So the point is that while everybody still seems to think the Democrats are on offense and that they're running this show, that they are smart and quick, faster than anybody else in the opposition, they plan better, everything they're trying to do is backfiring.
And there's a reason for it, folks.
And one of the reasons it's backfiring, well, twofold.
The smears and the allegations they launch at people are lies.
Number two, they are not reflecting the majority of thinking in this country with their actions.
The S-CHIP bill, the Wet Dream Act, this does not, their policies, their legislation does not represent the majority opinion of the people of this country.
And that's one of the reasons why it's being rejected.
There's no other way to explain eight defections on a Wet Dream Act.
You've got some Democrats that Harry Reid and Dick Durbin, they did their head count and they said, oh, we got it.
They were so happy yesterday morning.
They were on the cusp here of great success that would overshadow all their embarrassing failures.
And they ended up with another embarrassing failure.
They had some defections.
Now, those senators probably come from states where immigration is a huge deal.
I don't think these people in Washington still get it.
I know the drive-bys don't get it, but I don't think they still understand what an explosive issue illegal immigration is for them.
Back in just a second.
Stay with us.
Hi, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have Rush Limbaugh and the EIB Network Dallas.
And Janet, you're next.
Great to have you with us.
Hi, Rush.
Megaditto from Dallas.
My mother-in-law turned me on to you about 15 years ago, and I'm the proud mother of two Rush babies.
Congratulations.
And their college education.
They love hearing this kind of stuff.
They're college educated.
They come from a wealthy family, and they're both joining the military.
Imagine that.
Now, wait, did you say they come from a wealthy family?
Yes.
You are wealthy.
Well, we are now that we're 54.
We weren't wealthy until we hit about 45.
Yeah, they don't let you make any money in this country until you're 40.
No, no, they don't.
Now, wait a minute.
Hold it just a second here, Janet.
You deserve special recognition here.
Thank you.
You just had the guts to admit that you're wealthy.
And you're not making excuses for it.
You're not apologizing for it.
Kudos to you.
Most wealthy people do not.
They wouldn't do what you just did.
They'd start making excuses or they wouldn't even mention it at all.
Well, we've worked very hard for what we have, and I'm proud of it.
You ought to be.
Congratulations.
We have a small business, and I don't think people understand how this tax hike will trickle down to all areas of the economy.
We have three people in our office.
We hired the third person when Bush gave us our tax cuts, and I got to come home.
I had been working for free.
If this takes place, we're going to have to let one of the people go.
Why?
Because we can't afford to pay $18 an hour that we're paying.
Now, we could hire people to do their jobs for $10 an hour.
Does that make sense?
But because we got a tax break years ago, we were able to hire more people.
And why did you want to hire more people?
Why didn't you just put the money in your back pocket?
This way I got to come home.
I had been there working for free.
Right, but it was also a way to expand the business, right?
I mean, if you've got more people doing work, you have more work that needs to be done.
No, we don't need any more employees.
We have more than enough.
Now, but I mean, back then, I'm talking when we're going back to 2001 and 2003 when the first tax cuts kicked in.
Right.
That just put more money in our pocket, which allowed us to hire another person to do my job.
So you finally got to go home?
Yeah.
What'd you do when you got home?
Because the kids, were they gone yet?
No, no, no.
The kids were still there.
Oh.
I'm an ex-school teacher, and I strongly believed in stay-at-home moms.
So I really didn't want to be where I was.
So I came home and got to be with the kids.
Now they're gone, and they're in college.
Now what are you doing at home?
I still work at the office.
Oh, you went back to the office?
Yeah.
Yes, I'm still there part-time, but I'm at home more.
Okay, here's my other point.
We've been discussing what we're going to do if this tax cut happens because I knew it was going to take place.
We've been discussing it for weeks.
You mean a tax increase?
Yes, yes.
We're going to have to put our house on the market.
We don't really need it anymore, not this large, because the kids are gone.
And what I'm afraid is going to happen is if everybody does this, there's going to be a glut on the market, and the real estate prices are really going to go down.
Now, in Dallas, the market is still really good, so we're thinking we better go ahead and sell it now while the market's good, because if this happens, it's going to crash.
You know, I want that, this is an excellent point.
This is, folks, what you're hearing here is a woman who is making plans based on the worst case scenario that her government might take, action that it might take.
And you can't just afford to sit around and hope that this doesn't happen.
So you're going to have to take actions that you'd really rather not take.
You don't want to take that.
You're being forced to alter your life because of a coming massive tax increase.
that you don't really know is going to come, but you can't afford to sit by and wait and get caught up short if it does.
I want to make this prediction to you too, folks.
Let's say this tax increase happens.
And let's say by hook or by crook they get it passed in 2010.
That's when the tax cuts that we are currently living with, 2001, 2003, expire.
So you couple the expiration of the tax cuts.
That's a new tax increase.
Then you tack on Hillary Clinton's new tax increase, which is, it's not Wrangell's, it's Hillary Clinton's.
You're looking at skyrocketing marginal rates.
But you watch what happens at the end of 2010.
All of the left-wing corporate big shot donors who get their massive year-end bonuses are going to take as much of that bonus or sell as much of their stock options or whatever in the final months of 2010 before the increases go into effect in 2011.
Remember Eisner did that, dumped something like $292 million in income one month before the Clinton retroactive tax increase went into effect.
And after all your taxes go up, they're still going to be coming at you to pay for everybody else's health care, folks.
Don't forget that.
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