And greetings and welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
Great to have you with us on the Excellence in Broadcasting Network.
We continue our discussion here today with the Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas, about his uh memoir, his new book, My Grandfather's Son.
I mentioned right right before the previous hour concluded.
Uh I I evolved a theory uh back during your confirmation process, and I think I'm right about this, and I made a uh big deal about it.
I think that you know, I asked you if if you thought that you were at the pinnacle of your profession uh as an associate justice on the court.
You said you don't look at it that way at all.
Uh you you have a much more humble approach to what it means to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court.
Uh but others who were threatened by your nomination and your confirmation, uh looked at you, Mr. Justice Thomas, as a biggest threat to the existing civil rights coalition prescription for minority success in this country today because you did not follow their route.
You did not go through the appropriate civil rights leaders to gr be anointed and uh granted permission uh to move on and uh and do so in their image and in in their ways.
And as such, you on the Supreme Court would provide, and this book is doing it, this interview today is doing it.
Sixty minutes last night, America is seeing you as they've never seen you, and they're seeing you exactly as the Civil Rights Coalition feared from the first day of your nomination that you would be seen.
A genuine, humble human being who has become in their fearful view, the way they look at you is you are now the most powerful African American man in the country, and you have shown that it can be done without them.
Now I'm not asking you to take pot shots at them that with this observation and and the question, but I've I I wanted to share with the audience my view of why you were so contentiously rudely in a slanderous way opposed.
Now, do you have and I know the answer to the question based on on things you have said already, but when you get to the Supreme Court every day, you get to your chambers, it's time for oral arguments.
Uh you look around you.
Uh it has to have permeated at some point that you are one of a precious few human beings who has ever worked as a justice in that building.
Uh and it uh it it's at at some point uh uh you you I don't know, do you you you were ever in awe of it and had to get past that, or did you just step right into it?
Well, well, first Rush, the um I uh the job itself was uh certainly something I never uh thought that um would be a problem to do.
Uh the it never occurred to me I wouldn't be able to decide the cases.
You never thought it would be too hard a job.
Oh, no.
No.
Uh I d I it's been a long trip from pinpoint to here.
And along the way, uh you learn lessons that people who have a much easier path never learn.
So it was not something that I thought would be too difficult to do.
Uh when I first got to the court, Justice Powell was still there.
And of course, uh, he had retired and was on uh still in the court itself.
And he had a conversation with me during one of our many chats, and he said that once you bel think that you belong at the court, it's time for you to leave.
I agree with that.
I think that in these jobs, you have to remember that the job, the Constitution, uh the work we do is important.
We're just human beings.
That was the attitude that Justice White had and so many of those who went before me.
I think humility is very important in doing these jobs.
It's not about us.
Uh I keep on the wall in my office and my favorite prayers, the litany of humility.
Uh you really don't want to get caught up in what people say negative or positive.
Uh you're there.
You took an oath, and as I said to my clerks, I took an oath to God, not an oath to be God.
Uh we're there to do our jobs as judges.
I'm a judge.
I have a limited role, and I stick within that role.
Could you describe what is that role?
Uh uh uh for in your view of your role as a judge, a justice, what is that?
My role is to uh interpret the Constitution when it's a constitutional case and and a case or controversy.
Uh it's to interpret a statute.
It is not to impose my policy views or my personal views on your Constitution, our Constitution, or on your laws.
Uh it's not my private preserve to work out these theories.
And I guard uh very, very diligently against doing that.
And I think a part of being able to stay within the confines of that limited role, one has to be humble about one's uh about a judge has to be humble about his own approach and hit what his capacities are.
Before I start uh the term, and certainly in many, many cases, I just I had a little prayer that I used to say years ago when I was at EEOC, Lord grant me the wisdom to know what is right and the courage to do it.
Uh so I also think that in addition to wisdom or humility, you need the courage to do what is right.
If the answer is something that is difficult or that uh that will lead to criticism, you still have to do it if it's right.
It's your oath.
And uh so that's in a in a in a nutshell my approach to the job.
What would you do if you weren't a judge?
Other than being a judge what would you like to do?
Oh goodness.
Uh my wife uh always sort of has problems when I answer questions like that because what I'd like to do is Well, is she there?
No, she's well then go ahead and answer it.
She uh I like I would run a small or medium-sized business in a small community.
That would be sort of the more the top end of the options.
Uh I'd like to be a coach.
I would love to know enough football or basketball to coach teams.
And uh my one dream job was to be a truck driver.
Uh and I still have that in my system.
I love being around tractor trailers, uh 18-wheelers.
Uh I love working on uh large vehicles, uh driving them.
I maybe that goes back to delivering fuel oil and working on the farm, but I love being around people who work with their hands who do the hard things to keep our country going.
They're just they're my kind of people.
That is a that is a great point to make.
You have you have this huge bus.
It's an R V, right?
That's right.
Well it's not an R V, it's a motor coach.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I understand R V commitment.
Okay, so it's a motor coach.
He got a bus, folks, he drives the bus around, loves to drive the bus drive the bus.
Now, you you obviously you meet all kinds of people wherever you got a huge wingspan.
I saw you in Lincoln, Nebraska in the middle of the month for UC uh USC Nebraska, saw you in the end zone, and it didn't matter what color the fans were, everybody was applauding you and and like you are not an elitist.
What's it like when you get out there amongst the people?
In your bus.
Oh, I love it.
I love being whether it's a football game, I I bleed Cornhusker Red, as you know, and I've been there.
I talked to the players.
I love the players, uh I love the people out there, the people I meet in the R V parks.
Uh that's that's how I got into it.
Someone told me the best people in the country or some of the best people in the country are in the R V parks.
I meet them at truck stops, rest stops.
Uh I those are my kind of people.
These are the people who do the heavy work, the hard work in our society.
They're the people who teach the kids.
They're our policemen, our firemen.
They're the people who m work in the manufacturing facilities.
They're our salespeople.
They're all the good people.
And uh you have an opportunity to be with people who are like you.
You're not uh looking down on them.
You're just enjoying the country with them.
And it's been very, very interesting over the eight years that I've uh had my bus.
And uh it's probably not from a financial standpoint a good idea, but boy, it's been priceless in getting me out among my fellow citizens.
Um now, does that impact your work?
Oh, you can I can work from any place now, thank God for technology.
Oh, no, I'm I'm sorry.
I meant meeting the people who make the country work.
Does it kind of impact your work?
It reaffirms my work.
It makes me understand better why I do it the way I do.
I know who I'm doing it for.
You know, I had a chance, Rush, to talk to some wounded veterans from Iraq.
These young kids, I mean, they're just you know, serious wounds, you know, amputations, et cetera.
And they were thanking me for spending time with them.
And that I was so ashamed.
Uh I spent a few hours with them.
And they actually had suffered major wounds to uphold what we believe in in this country, the kind of country we have, the Constitution.
I've suffered no wounds.
People say, well, you had a tough constant confirmation.
I have no wounds.
I have my arms, I have my sight.
They've given so much more in defense of liberty than I could ever hope to give.
And uh yes, I love being out among them, the people who fought our wars, the people who uh protect us, the people who give us our electricity.
It it it uh it gives me, it reaffirms the way I write the opinions so they can read them.
One gentleman came up to me and he said, Thank you for writing your opinion, and I can't remember the case.
I said, Why are you reading it?
He said, I'm not a lawyer, but you gave me access to our Constitution.
That's why I write it that way, and it's for these people that I try to be humble in interpreting their Constitution.
You know, I um I've met some of those same people, uh National Review had their 50th anniversary, uh big gala party somewhere in Washington.
One of those typical Washington buildings, and they had eight wounded vets uh as their guests from Wolverine.
And and one of them came up to me and said something similar, thank me for what all I was doing.
I've I felt two inches tall.
This guy missing an eye, he'd lost an arm.
And I I just said to him, I can't believe you're saying this to me.
He shut me up.
And he said, No, no, no.
We all have our role.
Yeah.
Uh and and that's that's what they um they know of you too.
They they are special people.
You know, they they they really are.
Look, I've got to say a couple more quick things if you can hang on.
If you have to go, you just say so, but I've got a couple more things before we wrap up.
You'll set another record, not just longer than an hour, but close to an hour and a half.
Justice Clarence didn't say no, so we're gonna say he'll be back after this break.
Don't go away.
And the uh the program rolls on, ladies and gentlemen.
Fast as three hours in media, Justice Clarence Thomas with us, our final segment here, uh talking with him about lots of things, including his book Just Out Today, My Grandfather's Son.
Uh Mr. Justice Thomas, I've I've uh I've read the book, and you've been very um open in this book.
You have you you really haven't uh hidden anything.
You you have been open about uh the your marriage dissolution, the financial strains you have gone through, the emotional uh tough times.
Uh you know, some people don't include those kinds of uh uh details even in an autobiography.
Why did you decide to?
Well, uh at the beginning of this interview, Rush, you asked me why I wrote the book.
Uh one of the reasons is so, or the primary reason for me would be uh that there might be something in there that inspires others who are going through challenges in their lives.
They may be going through some of the same things or similar things.
And in order to be able to do that, you've got to be honest about your own struggles, uh, your own uh insecurities, your own misfortunes, not in a whiny way, uh, but in in at least in a candid way, so that they can see that you're not somehow on Mount Olympus.
You're just like them.
Uh you have uh all the same problems.
And maybe in doing that, they can find something in that book that says it's gonna be okay.
I was at a law school uh some time ago, uh a short time ago, and a young woman came up to me after our long question and answer session, and she had been crying during the the Time that we'd spent the two hours or so.
And she said thank you, because what you have said by showing that you couldn't get a job, you had financial difficulties, you had doubts, you have encouraged me to continue on with the problems that I have.
You have inspired me.
I think it's very difficult to inspire people if they have a view of you that you've never walked in their shoes.
So I think it is important to be honest with people that some we're not uh uh people we're not superhuman.
We are normal human beings.
And to do that I had to uh talk about some very, very difficult times in my own life.
Uh speaking of those, you um said earlier that uh neither you nor your wife had ever been treated the way you were treated during your confirmation process.
So I'm assuming that that was the most difficult uh point of your life.
Would I be right or wrong?
Um If I'm wrong, so I don't want to do that because you have a record for being right.
I think it that would be a good conclusion to draw from what you saw, but it's not the most difficult time in my life.
Uh the most difficult time was actually the death of my grandparents.
And I have to ask, I mean, uh we all know the difficulty of losing uh family, especially in your case your grandparents.
But of all the things that have happened to you, what why was that the most difficult to see through when you know that death happened?
Well, I think we know that it happens, but we somehow think it won't happen then, uh that we'll have time.
Uh and I think the fact that um uh uh well I know the fact that I had been so alienated from my grandfather for so long and allowed so much to come between us and to take little things and make them into large chasms between us.
Um there was a lot of regret, Rush, when when he died.
I we had a few months earlier looked each other in the eye and realized that um the difference, the source of our differences had so much to do with the fact, as uh so many others had told both of us that I was just like him.
And when we said that to each other, we uh embraced for the uh only time in our lives.
And the next I would never see him alive again.
So what you had was not just death, but this possibility of reuniting that never really occurred uh simply because on of the the the chasm that had grown between us.
So there was a possibility of what could have been uh in addition to that and regret and remorse and all those sorts of things.
But you know, and then my grandmother Go ahead.
And then my grandmother died one month later.
You know, don't you, that they ended up being proud as they could be of you.
Well, Rush, um the my the way I do my job and I decided in 1983 to live my life as a memorial to theirs.
And that was the goes to the portion of my life that you thought was the most was the most difficult the hearings.
I saw that as a desecration of all I had to give them.
Uh it was uh similar to going into the seminary where he said, don't shame me.
Well, this was the other side of it where I was giving something, I was saying that it was worth all the effort.
It was worth your sacrifice, it was worth taking these two boys in.
And the I saw that as a desecration of the little I had to uh to give them.
And afterwards, of course, I just simply said I would start all over and try to build a new memorial.
And the way that I do my job is I try to do it so to memorialize the good that they have done to to say it was all worth it.
And my hope would be that if I saw my grandfather again, I could look him in the Eye and say that I've done my best, and that he would possibly say to me uh not so much that you're on the Supreme Court, but that you're doing a good job on the court.
He no doubt knows.
Uh he no doubt watches.
Well, you know, I I um I've got about 45 seconds here, which is obviously not enough time for another question, but I wish we did have the time.
I uh uh I'm so glad that that you wrote the book uh, if I may get personal here for a moment, and I'm I'm so happy that uh you're doing the uh the interview rounds because those of us that uh know you and are privileged to know you and love you uh know a man that uh we wish everybody knew as we do.
So thank you so much for spending this time uh with me today on the program.
I know um everybody appreciates it, and all the best with this uh with this project and a new term on the court.
Thank you, Rush.
Justice Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court.
We'll take a brief time out and be back after this.
And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, and a ditto cam is back up.
I should have mentioned I was gonna go to bars and the ditto cam because I wasn't in the room here.
Uh while the Clarence Thomas interview was going on.
I want to thank him again for so much time and uh I certainly hope that uh it was it was uh it was good for you and moving uh for you.
Just a tremendous man, a great character uh and and temperament, uh, and a side of him that uh very, very few people know.
Anyway, welcome back.
We've got another half hour to go here, and ladies and gentlemen, uh in the last half hour, uh Harry Reed took to the floor of the Senate and proceeded to spend five to seven minutes denouncing me, spreading the smear that started last week on this phony soldiers business.
Uh he has prepared a letter to be sent to the uh CEO of the company that syndicates this program, uh, and that letter he asked as many senators as possible to sign, offering uh them the opportunity to uh uh demand of my syndicator that I be condemned uh for something that I did not say, which Harry Reed knows I did not say.
Uh the House of Representatives, I have just learned, is going to introduce a resolution this afternoon along the lines of the moveon.org resolution that was introduced last week.
Tit for tat, they want a vote in the House to condemn me, a private citizen, for something I did not say.
These people have had three, four days now to learn the truth about this, and they have they no doubt know the truth, which doesn't matter.
What they are trying to do is flood a false story into the drive-by media and have that survive and suffice as the evidence and as the story of what I said when it wasn't.
This uh is not just now the amat the anatomy of a smear.
Uh there's much more going on with this than just smearing me.
Uh there is an attempt, I think, to uh uh, as they have done throughout my career, to discredit me with anybody else, uh no matter how many signatures they get on their letter or in the in the Senate, no matter how many signatures or how many votes they get on the resolution in the House.
The idea is to have that was offered.
Uh and so far no Republicans have spoken up, but it's early.
Uh after after Harry Reed finished reading his letter and then castigating and excoriating me for something I didn't say and didn't do, uh he then went to normal business, and Chuck Grassley is up there talking about some piece of Ted Kennedy legislation.
There has been no response by Republicans of this yet.
And I don't know that there will be.
I I I have I have no clue.
Uh we have some sound bites here of Dingy Harry on the floor of the Senate this afternoon.
There are four of them, and here is the first of the four.
Last week, Rush Limbaugh went way over the line.
Way over the line.
I respect his right to say anything he likes.
His unpatriotic comments I cannot ignore.
During his show last Wednesday, Lembaugh was engaged in one of his typical rants.
This one was unremarkable and indistinguishable from his usual drivel, which has been steadily losing listeners for years until he crossed that line by calling our men and women in uniform who opposed the war in Iraq, and I quote, phony soldiers.
This comment was so beyond the pale decency that we can't leave it alone.
And yet he followed it up with denials and an attack on Congressman Jack Mertha, who was a 37-year active member of the Marine Corps, combat veteran.
I Is uh uh I I I I don't I just I don't quite quite know how to deal with this.
I mean, it's not a laughing matter all the way, it is a laughing matter, because this is such you're talking about Kafka-esque.
I have just finished an interview with Clarence Thomas talking about the lies and stuff spread about him during his confirmation hearings.
And now I, little old private citizen, Rush Limbaugh, the subject of Senate action, the subject today of House of Representatives action, all based on a purposefully told lie, which they know is a lie, and yet they are persisting in this, followed it up with denials of denials.
I followed it up with setting the record straight.
And by the way, on my website, folks, all of this is there.
Uh we've it's been up there all weekend, uh, and we added something last night that you have to see.
A week ago today, ABC News, Charlie Gibson, the World News Tonight did a feature with Brian Ross, their investigative reporter, on phony soldiers.
Last Monday, one week ago today, I don't see ABC being denounced.
I and they did.
Their story was on uh on Jesse McBeth, the same soldier I was talking about.
Uh one week ago, that video is is up at Rush Limbaugh.com uh, as well as a an expose by by uh uh Brent Bozell's group, the uh media research center on just who media matters for America is.
Here's more from Dingy Harry.
By the way, as to Jack Mirtha, I just did a story today saying that he has been sued by a soldier for calling him a murderer.
And I addressed, I just reported the news today, and yet this is reported as um an attack on Congressman Jack Mertha.
Uh this this is uh this is Kafka-esque, it's McCarthy-like.
Uh, and it's uh it's like I told you I've said this on many occasions.
My father would not believe any of this.
Just not wouldn't believe any of this would happen.
Not not not because of the Senate, he just wouldn't believe it.
His son has become the focal point of Democrats in the House of Representatives in the Senate, someone targeted for destruction and smear uh as a private citizen.
Here's number two of Senator Reed.
Rush Limbaugh took it upon himself to attack the courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us.
Rush Limbaugh got himself a deferment from serving when he was a young man.
He never served in uniform.
He never saw in person the extreme difficulty of maintaining peace in a foreign country engaged in a civil war.
He never saw a person in combat.
Yet he thinks that his opinion on the war is worth more than those who have been on the front lines.
And what's worse, Limbaugh's show is broadcasting armed forces radio, which means that thousands of troops overseas and veterans here at home were forced to hear this attack on their patriotism.
Rush Limbaugh owes the men and women of our armed forces an apology.
He's got to be a nut.
This is this is I I cannot believe that they are actually going this far with this.
I did apologize today to the troops, Senator Reid, for you and for Media Matters for America.
If anybody in this country has been trying to demoralize the troops, it is you, sir, and your members of the Democrat Party.
You have waved the white flag of defeat.
You have claimed that they cannot win.
You are trying to shift the focus from your perception, the perception accurately that people have of you and your party to me, who um uh everyone who's listened to me at any length of time whatsoever knows that allegations are just totally untrue.
As to why I'm on the Armed Forces Radio Network, uh it was uh Senator Clinton's defense secretary, uh uh what Metal Block.
What's uh Les Aspen who uh who secured an hour of this program on the Armed Forces Radio Network.
And because I was requested, they did a poll of the troops back then, and the troops requested that this program be on Armed Forces Radio.
Uh did you notice in this bite, since I've never been to combat, I'm not qualified.
Which is another a liberal assault on free speech.
If you haven't done something, you're not allowed to talk about it, Senator Reed says.
I have made troop visits to Afghanistan, Senator, and I have been to Walter Reed Army Hospital, and I have been to several military bases after Gulf War One, participating in welcome home festivities for the troops coming back from that conflict.
Perhaps I should remind you of the story, Senator Reed.
Uh back in the summer of 1993, I went home one day, and there was a federal express package for me.
I didn't recognize the sender, but I opened it anyway, and inside in a ziploc bag was an American flag.
There was a letter written by hand on a piece of um yellow legal paper.
And there were five certificates showing different aircraft.
I read the letter and found out that that flag had been through flown in all five of those aircraft during the original invasion of Iraq in 2003 in my honor by each of the five pilots that piloted those planes.
One was a tanker, uh, the others were bombers and attacked aircraft.
And I looked at this and I started crying.
I had no idea doing this in my honor.
Now I doubt Senator Reed, if uh if if this happened, and it's happened a couple times since if I were really held in such low regard by the members of the U.S. military, this probably wouldn't be the uh wouldn't be the case.
There are two more dingy hairy bites to go here, but I must take a brief profit center timeout back after this.
Stay with us.
All right, we have two more Harry Reed sound bites.
By the way, in the first soundbite, he refers to um my dwindling or second soundbite, dwindling audience or whatever.
In his dreams, ladies and gentlemen, is this audience getting smaller?
Uh why don't there's nothing in any of this that's truthful.
There's nothing in any of it to believe.
Uh and I would I would caution you, you know the truth of this, so listen to it for what it is.
Now, I mentioned earlier he's uh prepared a letter that he wants to send to the uh CEO of Clear Channel Communications, which syndicates this program, and he wants as many senators as possible to sign it.
Here's the bite explaining the letter.
Here is what we wrote.
Dear Mr. Mays.
Here is the letter, Mr. President.
At the time we signed this letter, 3,801 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq.
Another 27,936 have been wounded.
A hundred and sixty thousand others awoke this morning on foreign sand far from home to face the danger and uncertainty of another day at war.
Although Americans of goodwill debate the merits of this war, we can all agree that those who serve with such great courage deserve our deepest respect and gratitude.
That's why Rush Limbaugh's recent characterization of troops who oppose the war as phony soldiers is an outrage.
Our troops are fighting and dying to bring to others the freedoms that many take for granted.
It is unconscionable.
And Mr. Limbaugh would criticize them for exercising the fundamentally American right to free speech.
We call on you to publicly repudiate these comments that call into question their service and sacrifice to ask Mr. Limbaugh to apologize for his comments.
This is unreal.
All of that bite is unreal.
This is a man who has proclaimed the U.S. military incompetent.
They cannot win.
The war is over.
It shouldn't be fought.
He's done everything possible to demoralize these troops.
And now he's trying to turn it around.
They're trying to get that back.
I told you they'd gone over the cliff.
They're trying to get back on the page that they love and support the troops, and they're doing it by trying to suggest I'm the one who is saying things like they are.
Don't forget his second lieutenant Durbin, What he said about the troops and the people that work for us at Club Gitmo and Abu Ghrab and a number of other these uh these prisons where we were housing prisoners of war and uh and terrorists.
Uh here's the final of the four bites that we have.
Mr. President, just as patriotism is the exclusive realm of neither party, taking a stand against those who spew hate and impugn the integrity of our troops as a job that belongs to both parties, to all of us.
I'm confident we will see Republicans join with us in overwhelming numbers.
Confidence is the wrong word, Mr. President.
Hopefully is the right word.
So I asked my colleagues, Democrats and Republicans alike, to join together against this irresponsible, hateful and unpatriot attack by calling Rish Lumba to give our troops the apology they deserve.
I would hope that all would sign this letter.
Right.
Well, somebody needs to tell him I did apologize to the troops earlier today for him and for the Democrats and for the group that has fed him this smear campaign, this bunch of lies that he knows is false, but he just wants to get this in the congressional record.
Now, this is in the congressional record, and uh he wants it there permanently.
Uh this is a way to discredit me and rehabilitate the Democrats and notice who they use to try to rehabilitate themselves of all of a private citizen.
I would I would say this.
What I want to do now is demand that Harry Reed come on this program and confront me like a man.
Live, unedited, come on this show and let's go at it.
I am not going to allow hack politicians to lie about what I said to cover up what they have said and done.
These are partisan character assassins.
They've attacked me just as in the past they've attacked Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, and scores of other conservatives.
Senator Reed, it is time for you to stop hiding behind the speech and debate clause and your Senate immunity.
You want to come on this program and call me unpatriotic?
Come on this program and call me unpatriotic.
You want to call me a liar, you want to tell me that I did not say what I said.
You come on this program and you tell me to my face that I said what I did not say.
Stop hiding behind your special protections as a senator and spewing the talking points of an embarrassing partisan hack media group called Media Matters for America.
Hillary Clinton didn't serve in the military, by the way, Senator Reed.
She just voted against General Petraeus.
Barack Obama did not serve in the military, Senator Reed, and he didn't even show up to vote in support of Petraeus.
John Edwards didn't serve, and after voting to send our troops to war, he has undermined them ever since.
It is unconscionable for an esteemed United States Senator to launch an all-out assault on a private citizen, which is a lie from front to back in order to cover your own actions and words, which have been the true demoralization of the U.S. military.
And if anybody owes the military of this country an apology, Senator Reed, it is you.
It is Jack Mertha, it is Dick Durbin, it is any and all who have joined your effort to secure defeat of the United States and the United States military in not only Iraq, but the war on terror.
Sir, have you no decency left?
Have you no shame whatsoever?
Well, now it's a full-fledged assault.
Senator Tom Dungheap Harkin on the floor of the Senate, denouncing me once again.
Senator Harkin, Senator Reed, face me like a man and stop hiding behind the microphones in the Senate where you can say whatever you want to say.
Come on my program and say all of these things to my face.
And let's go at it.
You know, the uh Harry Reid and the Liberals here, folks, are trying to do what they're trying to do, one other thing is put words in the military's mouth.
They lie about the premise.
Then they speak on behalf of the military, which they claim to be upset about, which is what they've been lying about in the first place.
They are The ones who've been condemning the military.
They are the ones who have been demoralizing the military.
They are the ones who have, I can't say this more powerfully enough, uh uh trying to secure defeat for the U.S. military.
They know it, and everyone else does.
And now they try to turn the tables and make it sound like one of the most ardent supporters of the U.S. military is being unpatriotic.