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Aug. 23, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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August 23, 2007, Thursday, Hour #2
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All right, for the record, we were having phone.
Are we still having program, phone line program?
Good.
We're having some problems out there on the phones.
The callers, when they were speaking, could not hear me.
And that won't fly.
And it's not the caller's problem.
It's ours.
By the way, I'm walking through there and somebody is saying they're going to be on the hotline.
We don't have a hotline.
So who's going to be on the hotline?
Oh, okay.
Going to call somebody back.
A caller that what?
From yesterday.
Oh, we didn't get to the caller yesterday.
Okay, one of those deals.
All right.
Well, anyway, welcome back, folks.
Here we are, Open Line Friday on Thursday today.
Whatever you want to talk about is fair game.
Monday through Thursday, we have to talk about things I care about.
I am a benevolent dictator.
I am the seasoned broadcast specialist here.
I know what's good.
My instincts carry this program in my life and have forever.
But on Friday, I risk it all by when we go to the phones, let the untrained rank amateurs, lovable, untrained rank amateurs, you discuss whatever you want.
As a little frustrating because this guy that was two calls, the one, one about the Democrats, the Johnson administration of Vietnam, and the guy who called and said he sort of understands what Stephon Marberry was saying.
Didn't get a chance to respond to that because of the constraints of time.
We were heading into what is known inside baseball-wise as a hard break, meaning I can't miss it or else.
But let me just, Stephon Marberry is a moron, folks.
Just a flat-out moron, not helping the situation here.
As for the caller who talked about how we euthanize horses who break a leg in the middle of a race, yep, we do.
They cordon them off out there to get the pistol out, bang, bang.
Unless it's one of these, what was the name of that horse they tried to save Barbaro because of the incredible potential there with the stud fees.
And there was a nationwide love affair attraction with his horse.
So they tried to save the horse.
And it looked good for a while, but he eventually didn't make it.
The point is, we do not torture horses who lose races.
We do not, just because they lose, we don't sit around and then cordon them off and right there on the track, bang, bang, you're dead, which is what Vic and his boys were doing.
There's no, I don't care what, if you want to say that dog fighting is a sport, fine and dandy, but that's totally unnecessary.
And there's nobody in this country who understands it, wants to understand it, or can sympathize with it.
As for the slaughterhouse, yeah, I've been to a slaughterhouse.
I was a field trip in grade school.
And there was a slaughterhouse there in our little hometown of Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
I admit, it was shocking.
It was what we saw that day was pigs, and they'd electrocute them with two prongs right at the back of their heads.
And then they'd gut them and hoist them up on the conveyor belt.
We saw all of this.
And I had a range of emotions.
Now, keep in mind, I'm just a young, innocent whipper snapper.
And we had dogs at home.
And I thought, oh, God, you go through the thing.
I'm never eating ham again.
I'm not going to eat bacon again.
That lasted about a day.
What I eventually concluded was, because it was a lot of hogs, what I concluded, and just to show you that my thought process early in life, we're going to need a lot of these damn things if we're going to do this to provide food for ourselves and so forth.
And all of this is, obviously, it's true.
But we don't raise pigs to kill each other.
We don't do pig fights.
I've always thought some of these people doing cockfights with these roosters and stuff is I know that's cultural too, as some people are saying this dogfighting business is.
But it's nice to know now that NBC and Matt Wauer have finally got the NAALCP on board.
We've finally got the NAACP in this.
I've wondered how long it was going to take.
By the way, I forget who wrote this.
As a columnist, I was looking at the ESPN NFL site today, just as I do it habitually when we get close to football season.
And I forget the guy's name, but he takes Gene Upshaw, who's the president of the NFL Players Association, the union, takes him to task for not standing up and at least supporting Vick's right to play despite all of this.
And that he's, you know, compared to baseball union, the basketball union, they all, whatever happens, they're in there fighting for the players' rights to play and continue to be paid.
But Upshaw going silent has formed a silent alliance with the new sheriff in town, the new commissioner, Roger Goodell.
And this guy is afraid that Upshaw has lost his union over this, which, frankly, is a bit crazy.
So the NAACP weighs in.
Grab that bite.
You all have to hear it.
I think it's number 12.
And it's from the Today Show Today, Matt Wauer talking to Cortland Hayes, who is the NAA LCP's interim president and CEO.
Here's the question.
Mr. Hayes, Michael Vick were a white quarterback star athlete, Peyton Manning, would we see the same amount of attention and the same amount of negative comments, the same amount of protests from people like PETA?
What we have to understand is the backdrop.
We have to understand that what we're hearing expressed by some African Americans is their anger and hurt, distrust in a criminal justice system that they feel treats them like animals.
No dog deserves to be mistreated, and blacks and Hispanics don't deserve to represent a majority of our prison population in this country, while blacks and Hispanics represent only one-third of the population.
So much to react to here.
This is a veritable gold mine.
In the first place, he's trying to convey the impression to the gullible that watch this show that the way Michael Vick treated his pit bulls is the way African Americans are still treated in this country.
Make no mistake about it.
How else do you interpret it when he says we have to understand no dog deserves to be mistreated and blacks and Hispanics don't deserve to represent a majority?
Do you think, Mr. Hayes, that who ends up in prison is because of a lottery based on prejudice and race?
You know, I guess they do.
I guess they really don't.
They can't possibly think.
They cannot possibly think that snarly.
Okay.
All right.
So you're telling me that a large percentage of the African-American population of this country believes that who ends up going to prison is a lottery.
And you're likely to get more likely to get picked and sent to jail if you're black because this is still 200 years ago and slavery is still running rampant and this is how it's manifesting itself.
Well, I'll tell you what, that's pretty sad and it's no wonder these people are continually upset and angry.
And they keep voting for the same people that do nothing for them while promising every two to four years to do everything for them.
I'll tell you what, the NAACP, this is they're on the scene.
Okay, they finally have been dragged into the Michael Vick thing.
Forget about failing schools.
Forget about lack of reading ability.
Forget about ability to graduate from high school.
Forget all of that.
Oh, yeah, we'll just slough that aside.
Got to stand up for Vic now.
They've come a long way.
Wrong direction.
Back in a second.
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As to this business, this bite from the guy at the NAA LCP is really amazing.
So Michael Vick's being railroaded, eh?
And you say, Mr. Snerdley, that they actually believe that.
When he is on the verge of confessing to crimes, he's about to confess to crimes.
What's being railroaded?
They must think that just the fact that they pursued him is racist.
What treatment?
What treatment?
He's going to get, he can go to trial.
He could say, I'm not guilty.
He could go for an OJ jury.
He could say, you know what?
I'll go for jury nullification.
I don't care what these witnesses are going to say.
I'll go in there.
I'll try to take advantage of this thought that people are out there trying to railroad me because of the color of my skin.
But he didn't decide to do that, did he?
He went in there and he's going to plead guilty to something on Monday.
And what he's going to plead guilty to are crimes.
And you know what?
He's not going to do as much jail time on the Fed charges anyway as if he went to trial.
And one of the reasons is because he is a famous, his famous athlete status is helping him to a certain extent here.
But I mean, you have to look at it from that standpoint after you acknowledge he is going to confess to some crimes.
Now, when you confess, I don't know how you get railroaded.
If you're being railroaded, you're innocent.
And you can go before a jury and you can say, I'm being railroaded here and I'm being singled out for whatever reason you want to try to advance as part of your defense.
But I don't see any of that happening.
So this railroaded business is, yeah, a typical narrative or template from the NAACP, but doesn't wash with me.
Wendy from Lansing, Michigan, she was on the phone yesterday.
We didn't have a chance to get to her before time expired.
So she graciously allowed us to call her back.
We now have her phone number in our database.
Well, hello, Rush.
It's an honor to speak with you, and I have to say you helped me stay sane.
Well, thanks, Wendy.
I appreciate that.
My comment was that yesterday when Senator Kerry, you had a clip of him saying that because he met with people in Vietnam who had been through the re-education camps and they were doing well now, he implied that these camps weren't so bad, but a temporary, like, unpleasant experience.
Yeah, they weren't pretty, he said, but he's met some people who came out of those things, and they're thriving in Vietnam now.
Well, I'm wondering how, I'd be curious to see what Senator McCain's response was to this and other POWs who were at POW camps at the hands of the communists in Vietnam.
And, you know, to me, his statement implies that anyone who was in POW camp or re-education camps at the hands of the communists in Vietnam, they didn't have such a bad time because they're doing well now.
Yes, yes, yes.
But I don't think anybody, you've mentioned Senator McCain and others.
I think Senator Kerry is so passe now that nobody but me and some of my brethren waste time responding to the things he says.
Well, I just think Kerry needs to be wiser about what he says.
And I would think there's some POWs and other people.
We have people here in this country who came over from Vietnam and survived, and they've got horrible stories.
I've heard some of them.
And some of the things that are still going on now, like they sell their children over the internet.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I know.
But Wendy, you've got to remember the context of this.
The Kerry soundbite that you heard occurred last July and was not within the context of the firestorm of opposition and anger directed at President Bush yesterday for bringing up the comparison between Vietnam and Iraq.
It was only because that this is the finest radio program on earth with the greatest set of archives of past programs.
We're able to go back and get that from July and make it relevant.
And if you didn't hear the date that I had mentioned, it aired yesterday, that could give you a that's one of the reasons that people you're asking about didn't respond because this was back in July when the only people in town were people like Kerry and it was on C-SPAN one morning and so forth and it was part of a one-hour appearance.
But that's why this show is what this show is.
In fact, we can go back to the archives even from yesterday and dig the bite out almost instantaneously.
So if you weren't here yesterday, Tisk Tisk, but nevertheless, here's what Wendy from Lansing was talking about.
Let me just say to the first part of your question with respect to boat people and killing, everybody predicted a massive bloodbath in Vietnam.
There was not a massive bloodbath in Vietnam.
There were re-education camps and they weren't pretty and nobody likes that kind of outcome.
But on the other hand, I've met a lot of people today who were in those education camps who are thriving in the Vietnam of today.
He's probably only sorry that the re-education camps failed.
How could they be thriving?
At any rate, that's what Wendy was talking about.
It makes me angry every time I hear it.
No bloodbath.
50,000 American deaths in Vietnam, not a bloodbath.
Where else wasn't a bloodbath?
These guys don't think Rwanda was a bloodbath.
Soviet Union, China, weren't bloodbaths.
You know, people misunderstand what the communists have to do, Mr. Limboy.
You obviously see a commie behind every rock.
You and McCarthy, same mold.
You just don't have the sophistication to understand the way we liberals look at the world.
All I know is that a number of Americans have lost their lives fighting communism since before I was born.
And we finally beat them with no help from people like Kerry.
In fact, Kerry and his crowd favored policies called appeasement, mutual coexistence with these people.
And they looked admiringly at certain aspects of Soviet life and so forth.
It is stunning to me how they ignore history.
Like I said yesterday, too, I've got to repeat this because this is one of the great ironies.
And I can't remember the guy who wrote the book, but it's a big book.
It talks about the rise of modern liberalism, and he traces it to the assassination of JFK.
Who killed Kennedy, folks?
It was communist.
I don't care whether Oswald was working for the Cubans, whether he was working for the Russians.
It was a communist.
And you just can't have that.
Well, the communists, why communists killed our Camelot president?
Communist.
And after that happened is when the liberals began to become soft on communism.
They were not before Kennedy was killed.
Kennedy was not soft on communism.
But they became appeasers and soft on communism and started looking everywhere else around the world for our enemies and found most of them within their own country.
Eric and Wichitz, so I'm glad you called, sir.
You are on Open Line Friday on Thursday.
Super Mega Ditto's Rush, a longtime listener.
I agree with a majority of everything that you say, Mr. Limbaugh.
But I just wanted to say I don't think that you can quite understand what us as African Americans go through, even considering what's going on with Michael Vick and the prison system and things of that nature.
I just don't think you understand what we go through and how we feel about certain how the justice system has treated us, how America has treated us.
I don't think you quite understand because you're not an African American.
Well, you know, I've been hearing this complaint, this argument for many years or as many years as I've been hosting the program, and I've reacted to it in a number of different ways.
It's a tricky thing to say, I can't understand it.
I know of everything there is to know about slavery, and I know and I have seen in my younger life blatant racism right in front of my eyes.
It's not a stranger to me.
What I also see is that those days don't exist anymore, except in the minds and the imagination of people who for some reason can't let go of it because it entitles them to be victims or whatever.
There are plenty of successful, wowie, zowie, successful black people in this country who have abandoned that way of thinking.
Well, Rush, I understand, and I can say I agree with the majority of everything that you say, but there again, you can say that you can see it, and many of us have looked past that.
Yes, we've looked past it because we've been able to succeed and things of that nature.
But if you don't give it up, if you don't give it up, it's always going to be keeping you in prison.
And we have given it up, Rush.
What I'm getting at is that no matter what we do as blacks or African Americans, no matter what we do, we will still, in a sense, be stigmatized.
And we still, although we've given it up, we have grown, we've surpassed it, but there's still that sense of racism across this country.
Let me stigmatize you.
Let me offend you by saying that I am stigmatized, and you probably don't understand one thing I go through in my life.
Now, I'm not stigmatized because of my skin color, except in certain places.
I am stigmatized because of what I think.
I have members of the federal...
Oh, you know what I mean.
Yeah, but wait a minute now.
I have federal officials trying to shut me down and end my career with a thing called a fairness doctrine.
There are certain areas in the business that I am the most successful person in the world where I cannot work because of what I think.
Now, I have not run around and bellyached and whined and moaned about it.
I have accepted it as a badge of honor because I do not allow myself to believe that those people are better or more important than I am.
Just the exact opposite.
And I have found a way to work around it and found my niche here.
I know what I'm good at.
I'm doing what I was born to do.
But Rush, you have, in a sense, belly-ached about it because you continue, when it comes up, you have fought against it and you've talked about it.
I wouldn't say that you've bellyached about it or you write about it.
You have beat the system and you have a tendency.
I've got to take a break here.
Hang on.
I want to finish this with you after the Profit Center timeout here.
A moment has to last, and it does thanks to Rush 24-7, our website.
We go back to the phones now.
Eric in Wichita, you were saying, sir, before I had to interrupt you to go to the Prophet Center timeout.
Well, Rush, I think my last statement was there are points in even you say that you are ridiculed things because of your stance.
I, too, am ridiculed, not only because I'm African American, I'm also ridiculed as a black Republican.
So I take that with a grain of salt and go on and do my business and act in a way that I'm going to act and appreciate the fact that people don't like me and that's their business.
And I'm going to allow myself to do the best I can with what I can for me and my family.
But I just look at you and what you're saying about Michael Vick, which he's going to cop a plea and that does admit to guilt and things of that nature.
But I think that if it wasn't for who he was.
It's pretty hard to say he's being railroaded when he's going to do that.
And it's pretty hard for you to tell me that I don't understand the black condition as it relates to people wanting to make a civil rights case out of Michael Vick.
Well, I don't consider it a civil rights case.
The NAACP is in on it now, so guess what it is?
Well, you know, you and I have the same opinion about the NAACP, so.
Well, amen, bro.
I just think that in this instance, I wouldn't say Michael Vick is being railroaded.
I just don't think that he's worthy of all the punishment that it sounds like that they're trying to give to him.
It's a federal offense.
I just think it's let me tell you something about it.
People don't know this yet.
And Eric, thanks much for the phone call.
The state of Virginia is going to make a move on Vic.
And if you think the punishment the feds are going to meet out here is anything, he could get, if they wanted to go all the way in the state of Virginia, he could get 40 years on state charges here.
The feds, the maximum sentence here, if he would go to court, go to trial and lose, it'd be five to six years.
So he's hoping to get a year to 18 on the fed charges.
He was hoping to get the state to get out of it if he pled guilty to the feds, and the state doesn't seem they want to get out of it.
Now, you can talk about what people don't understand, what I don't understand about the black population, the way they look at that.
I'll tell you what I don't understand or can't understand.
I can't understand what those dogs went through when they were beaten to death, when they were hanged, when they were electrocuted, when they were drowned.
You know, and the argument here that I don't understand what poor old Michael Vick is going through because he is black.
This is not a racial issue.
This is simple human decency.
Nothing more than that.
And there wasn't any in this operation.
And it was if people want to start, you know, pouring their political agendas into this, and we've got it now with the NAA LCP involved.
It just makes them look foolish.
Anybody trying to defend this on a civil rights issue?
I mean, look, I must tell you, I am offended when somebody tells me I don't understand this because it's cultural and that I've got to change my view of this kind of cruelty because it's cultural.
I can't believe that people make the statement want us all to think that that's part of their culture.
Why would they?
Or maybe they don't.
Maybe they're just advancing it as a defense and trying to help Vic.
Now, let me explain one other thing here, discussing with Jeff here a moment ago, the fact that I'm stigmatized like he thinks he is.
We all are.
Every one of us gets stigmatized for something.
Either the way we look, forget skin color for a second.
I'm not denying that exists.
The way we look, the way we dress, the way we sound, everybody forms judgments about everybody.
And there are lots of people in corporate circumstances of all races who are going to go no higher than where they are simply because the people above them look at them as odd or no good or they've reached their maximum potential.
Everybody, nobody gets everything they want and certainly not handed to them.
And in the real world, when your existence is based on making yourself a victim and trying to get sympathy from everybody, you're going nowhere.
You're going to be miserable.
You're going to be unhappy because even if you got all the sympathy in the world you wanted, what do you have then?
You've still got nothing till you get off your duff and go do something.
Everybody has obstacles to overcome.
Now, Jeff said that he's heard me bellyache and whine and complain about things, not within the context of being discriminated against.
I've found ways to work around it.
Everybody has to.
It's life.
And it's a shame to me that there are so many people in this country who are raised with the notion from the beginning they can first understand English the first days that they have no chance because the deck is stacked against them because of this or that, and the history that is applied to convince them that that argument is true is 200 plus years old.
When there are role models that dispel every assertion, they're taught and they're and they're taught to hate those people.
They're taught to resent them.
Uh it's, it's a crying shame in the United States Of America in 2007.
Do not misunderstand, my friends.
I'm not saying there isn't racism.
I'm saying there is and there's sexism, and there is uh, there's prejudice against the overweight, there's prejudice against nerds, there's prejudice against geeks and, believe me, every nerd knows who he is and every geek knows who he is, and they have to work around it.
And they are geeks because we say they are, not because they identify themselves that way.
They just have to adapt to it.
We can be cruel people.
We can be nice generous, the whole thing too.
Now, in my case uh, anybody who knew me when I was growing up, you know, we're all raised to want to be loved.
We're all raised to want to be liked.
It's not possible, but we all want nobody's raised to be hated Hitler, maybe nobody wants to be hated.
When they grow up, people that have known me all my life will say a variety of things about me, positive and negative, but nobody would ever say it was a racist or a sexist, or a bigot or a homophobe or any of these clichés that get attached to all of us who are conservative.
So I start this radio show in august of 1988 and within six months all these stories and criticisms are out there of a racist sexist, big at home mean spirited, angry audiences filled with nothing but angry white men and all this stuff.
And i'm not, I wasn't trained to deal with that.
I had no clue how to respond to that.
I went through all kinds of uh dilemmas over this because I didn't.
You know, there's my reputation on the line, people that don't even know me just trying to destroy it, which was all new to me.
I'm 37 years old when this is happening.
This is 19 years ago uh, and that'll tell the whole story.
I found a way to deal with it and it's the way I deal with it now uh, but it became obvious to me that because of the way I think and because of the way I speak on this radio show, I had shut myself out.
I have no chance of seeking entertainment, business opportunities anywhere else.
I had to carve the niche and radio and i'm not complaining, i'm just saying this is something I had to deal with.
You have to deal with whatever in your life presents you obstacles.
We all have to deal with it.
We all have to overcome them.
People who are not trained to do this, who are trained to remain in this oh woe is me victim status, uh are being disserved and they're disserving themselves and it's just a crying shame to see it happen when it is so unnecessary.
There is no excuse for this kind of thinking or existence in this country anymore, and it's it survives because the leaders of the civil rights movement are financially invested in its survival.
It's how they earn their living, it is how they get and maintain their seats of power.
They are not interested in emancipation.
They love, for example, when a Donus moment happens, they love it.
They go into gear, all right, they get.
They get just excited as the drive-bys get when a hurricane's on the way And they send out their fundraising letters and so on.
It's a vicious cycle.
And all the while, the problems that they tell their people that they have that make them victims and this, that, and the other thing, are all pointed, labeled, and blamed on conservatives and Republicans.
When it's I mentioned earlier, remember this quote that the president mentioned in his speech yesterday, a senator said, who cares about these people in Vietnam?
They're just a bunch of peasant farmers, subsistence farmers.
What do they care?
Why does it matter if their leader is a communist dictator, a socialist commissar?
What is it?
This is Democrat.
It was J. William Fulbright, and it was William J. Clinton's mentor.
And J. William Fulbright was one of the original segregationists.
And if you doubt that, just look at his statement on these poor peasant, worthless farmers in Vietnam and Cambodia.
Their lives to him were nothing.
And this is a liberal Democrat, they care more about people than anybody else.
We conservatives, you know, we're racist, mean-spirited.
We're cold-hearted.
But people like Fulbright and Clinton, all these other people, yeah, they have the reputation of big hearts.
Lots of compassion.
Go out of their way to protect these people who are downtrodden from the evils of people like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush and so forth.
And it's just the exact opposite.
And yet the reality survives because the Democrats are smart.
Jesse Jackson wouldn't be Jesse Jackson without the Democratic Party and neither would the Reverend Sharpton.
They couldn't exist without having seats of power at the Democrat Party power table.
And this goes for Ralph Nees, at the People for the Un-American Way, and all these other civil rights groups.
They deliver on Election Day.
They deliver money.
They are given status within the Democrat Party.
It's all about election.
It's all about power and maintaining it.
You ever wonder why all of these downtrodden, middle-class, miserable, unhappy Americans continually vote Democrat?
Have you been amazed by how they continue to complain to the very people they're voting for?
Why things aren't getting better?
Why they don't have health insurance?
Why they don't have lifetime retirement income?
Why they don't have whatever it is they want.
They've been voting for people for all these years, promising they're going to get that done, and they're going to take it away from the Republicans.
Rich people are going to give it to them.
Never happens, does it?
Never happens.
Yet they keep voting for them.
We've got a country half full of unsatisfied, malcontent, miserable, unhappy people precisely because of the people they vote for.
And because they are led by people who do not try to inspire them, who don't tell them how good they can be, who don't tell them what kind of opportunity exists in this country.
Just waiting to be accessed.
And occasionally, an opportunity will knock on your door.
Sometimes you're minding your own business.
It will knock on your door.
You have to be willing to open a door and see what's there.
Some people won't even do that.
I don't trust who's on the other side of the door.
So all of this is just, for me, as a conservative, as an American, it is frustrating as hell to see so much potential being wasted and so much victimhood being sponsored and bought and paid for.
And this is one of the problems I had with all the illegal immigrants being granted amnesty.
Country can't take this.
Country cannot take 12 to 20 more million people and who knows how many new millions each year becoming auto victims, blaming America and certain Americans for their plight, which is exactly what the Democrat Party wanted to do with them.
I'm a little long in this segment, my friends.
I must take a timeout.
Therefore, the next busy broadcast segment will be shorter than normal.
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The name of that book and the author that I keep having the mental block over about the, you know, when the libs of today started their journey to their current madness.
The name of that book is Camelot and the Cultural Revolution.
It's by Jim Pearson.
And he's a good guy, and he traces not that it matters, but every one of us, how in the world did these liberals become this?
In so many things, be it life, be it victory for the country and national security.
How in the world do they become this?
And then how do they become so mad all the time?
What is it like to be these people?
Get up enraged, go to bed enraged, spend the whole day enraged.
Well, he tries to explain it in the book.
And he traces it to the assassination of the martyr JFK.
And it's fascinating.
Here's Jan in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
I'm glad you called.
Thanks, Rush.
It's nice to talk to you.
I'm a former cruelty investigator, and there are two items I wanted you to know.
First of all, hogs are used in fighting, and it's called hog-dog training.
And they're used as feral pigs put in a pen, and then pit bulls or other dogs that are being trained to fight or to hunt these animals in the wild are let loose on them to catch, fight.
And, you know, if you see pictures of them, they're chewed to death.
The pigs.
Yes.
Well, actually, these are feral pigs that have tusks, and the tusks are removed, and then the dogs are let loose on them.
And it's billed as a family sport.
Where does this happen?
There are about 10 states in the United States where it's believed to go on, but there's believed to go on?
Well, they do actually do it in these states.
But as a matter of fact, there's a national website by an organization that promotes this that you can find online.
I don't want to, no, no, no.
We don't want to send people to that website.
No, we don't.
At least I don't.
Let them find it on their own if they care that much about it.
Right.
Well, so you're a cruelty officer.
I'm a former cruelty officer.
Former cruelty officer.
Well, I'm glad that you got out of the cruelty business.
It's got to be great for your state of mind.
Well, it is.
My last case was a guy that got mad at a cat for walking across his newly washed car, and he poured gasoline on it, tied it to a tree, and let it on fire.
And I couldn't get the judge to send him to psychiatric counseling.
And I said no at that point.
I can't relate to this kind of behavior.
I can't relate to any of it.
I'm too fascinated by animals and what makes them tick.
I just can't relate to any of it.
And I wouldn't want my job to be having to track this stuff down.
Why is it so hard to catch these dogfighting rings?
Well, it's difficult because they're very secretive, and they are, they move.
How do you cover the noise?
I mean, for crying out loud at Vic's place, where this was going on apparently frequently.
I mean, they're doing in the backyard.
I know, but it was in buildings and it was in an isolated area.
They weren't that close to their neighbors, and that's usually what it is.
Although it's being done a lot more in the inner cities now, dog and cock fighting.
Amazon.com sells two cockfighting magazines that support this and have ads in these magazines inviting dog fighters to contact each other.
And they recently removed their live dog fighting videos from sale, but they consider it a free speech issue to sell the cops ID magazines that are.
Well, this is interesting because now here comes the civil rights aspect of this, i.e., cultural.
Well, this is going to be interesting to watch.
Janice, great.
It's rare that callers inform me of things I don't know, but you have done it.
You should be very happy and proud.
This is a big day.
Back in just a second.
Okay, so we learned we got nutcases using pigs to train pit bulls, but the point is we don't treat pigs the way these guys are treating these dogs.
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